[badbadtz560]

laser grips are like used tires; why don't you just install them on the gun for us and it'll sweeten the deal for everyone.

-dealer told me to sell my sig for $400 and to throw in the crimson trace grips b/c they weren't worth anything. I'll show him :D if I can sell the suckers.....

[bababooey32]

As a newb looking for a first gun purchase, this thread is really scary. I've spent alot of time trying to research guns and what I want to buy. It can be quite confusing when you are starting from the beginning. To hear that there is this much misinformation at gun shops amkes me even MORE tentative about going in! Combined with the thread on gin store clerks being jerks, and the general insecurity about being less knowledgeable, it makes it very difficult to get new shooters into the fold!

I hope to become knowledgeable enough to recognize when I'm being lied to, and I hope all of you who are knowledgeable use that knowledge to correct the misinformation you hear at your gun store.

[Duke of Doubt]

bababooey32: "To hear that there is this much misinformation at gun shops amkes me even MORE tentative about going in!"

It's no worse than the clothing saleswoman telling you how great you look in that suede jacket with the pink and white liner, or the car salesman crowing about how John Voight used to own that particular K car.

[Acera]

bababooey32 the folks at McBrides seem to be pretty good. They could help you. It is like buying any other item, where you deal with a salesperson.

[Maverick223]

As a newb looking for a first gun purchase, this thread is really scary. I've spent alot of time trying to research guns and what I want to buy.
This is a good place to do your research...there are lots of guys here that will steer ya right. :D Stick with it, and best of luck. Mav.

[Poper]

Why does everyone think i'm an idiot?I asked myself this same question..... :scrutiny:

Then I looked in the mirror! Shouldn't have done that.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Poper

[SouthronBoy]

I had a guy at a gun show tell me a 1942 model Mosin Nagant M38 (or something like that) was unissued.

I told him he needed to read a little history.

[mgregg85]

Best load of BS I've ever heard was at a gun show. I was looking at a CZ-52 and the seller told me that his father personally brought it back from Europe after fighting in WWII. I asked him at that point if his father had stayed in Europe until 1952 and he said that his dad had come home in '45 or '45 or whatever, definetly not in the 50's. So I explained to him that the CZ-52 wasn't even made until 1952 and he got rather angry and told me to keep walking.

[61chalk]

2 weeks ago..."You better buy this M1 Garand if you want one, by this June you won't be able too."

I walked away.

[S&W-Keeper]

That his nickle S&W model 28 was factory finish.

[JustinL]

I was once told an Inglis Hi Power was "pre-war, Belgian made." Though I believe that was out of ignorance rather than a lie.

As it has been mentioned here, I've also seen some unsafe gun handling on the part of some pawn shop clerks, but never in a real gun store.

[Yosemite**Sam]

Just yesterday, I received a phone call from a friend who lives in Boise, ID. He told me that he had found a M1 Garand that was in mint condition. The store employee told him the gun belonged to a WWII serviceman and that it was his issued rifle that he brought home with him after the war. I advised my friend that it was highly unlikely that the vet was allowed to purchase his rifle back then.

After calling the gun shop at my friends request I learned the following about the Garand. The receiver (5.4 mil) and barrel 1-55 both matched. The TE amd ME were both at 2. The gun itself was a mixmaster and it had recently been reparkerized and was wearing Boyd's furniture. To think they only wanted $1500.00 :what: for this one of a kind rifle. Toward the end of the conversation with the gun store employee, I got the, "There was a guy in here a little bit ago who was going home to get $1500.00. If you're interested in it I wouldn't wait.". Gee thanks for the tip.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I was trading an old sword that I had for a mossberg 590 once, and the deal was that I would put some cash on top of the sword to even out the trade.

We shook hands, and I got a receipt from the shop manager.

A couple of days later the store owner calls me and says that a "sword expert" looked over my sword and told him that it wasn't good blablablabal and that I'd need to come in to renegotiate the trade.

Well, I go in and have a chat with the guy, and after listening to him ramble on for a few minutes it was clear that no one had come in to look at the sword.

In fact, most of what he was saying was old wive's tales and misconceptions.
He couldn't keep his story straight and mentioned that his source was the Ebay "how to grade a sword" web page.


I was pretty P.O.'d but I just kept quiet for about 20 minutes while this guy went on and on.

I'd had enough after he showed me a "damascus" steel knife to point out how the laminated steel on my sword looked nothing like it. This was proof to him that my sword was of low quality. Ugh.:banghead:


I then, in about 3 minutes, responded to his 1/2 hour spiel and corrected him on the more ridiculous points he'd made.
As a punctuation mark I told him, "and I've got a receipt, so frankly, I don't know what the point of this conversation is."
He said "ok, that's binding I guess" and shook my hand without looking at me before storming to the back room.

Honestly, I was willing to renegotiate since I was coming out on top with this trade (the sword needed restoration), but when the guy lied to my face and tried to stick it to me like that I lost my willingness to make it more favorable for him.

[mljdeckard]

That triggers less than 3 lbs are illegal for carry. (Impact in Ogden a few years ago, the guy doesn't work there anymore.)

[bababooey32]

the folks at McBrides seem to be pretty good.

Thanks Acera...I actually went to McBride's on Friday and bought my first handgun: A Springfield XDm 9mm. Spent about an hour talking with a couple different salesman there. They are very helpful.

[poppy]

Encountered a guy at a gun show who had a 10mm pistol for sale, private FTF. The gun was about as dirty as he was, but everything was in the box and it showed little use.

He was asking $400 and told me that he had paid $650 for it. We made the deal for $375 and I took it home to clean it up.

While looking through the box, I found a paid receipt for about $450. :(

I got a good laugh, because his lie about what he paid is about what the pistol is worth to the 10mm freaks.:evil:

[Acera]

bababooey32, great news. I am glad you were treated well. Good choice with the XD.

[InRemorse]

A Ruger GP-100 in .357 magnum is not a good choice for self defense. You should look at this 9mm...

[andrewdl007]

I had a local dealer try to tell me that a colt WWII commemorative 1911 (made in about 1999 I found out from my research) was a 1950s manufacture and was unfired. when I looked up the serial number not only did I learn the real manufacture date but the gun was priced about $300 above what it was really worth.

[SgtGunner]

Had a guy tell me a basic $350-400springfield milspec was a "national match" because the letters in the serial number were NM. This also made the "value" of his $400 beater about $1600

[slzy]

a salesman at a big box picked up a glock quickly cocked it brought it up to his eye while aiming at something at the far end of the counter...when he recovered i was gone

[Claude Clay]

^--------------

every time i see someone cock a glock i leave also:cool:

[ijosef]

"I don't pretend to be an expert on these things, you know. I just sell 'em."
Well, at least he was honest! I'd rather have a guy admit he really didn't know that much about the particular firearm he was selling then try to BS me.

For me, it's usually the old salesman stuff that you find anywhere. I don't know nearly as much about firearms as I do guitars (and haven't been in the market as long), but the pitches are the same. "There's no wiggle room here." "You can't beat this price." "I'm not really making any money on this deal." They're all common lies.

Although, this one old timer (who I let rip me off on a wheel gun before) tried to sell me a used Kel-Tec PF9 for $450.

[230RN]

A long time ago:

I looked at a gun in a store and happened to notice the last four digits of the serial number corresponded to a number that was personally relevant to me. The price was OK, and I almost bought it, but decided to think it over.

No commitments were made either way and I had not mentioned that the serial number was meaningful to me.

I finally decided I really wanted that model and caliber. I went back in about a week and he said the gun had been sold and he had gotten another one in from the distributor, but the prices had gone up in the meantime. The new price was 10% over the old price. "OK, so let me see it," I said.

He pulled a gun of the same model from the showcase, checked that it was unloaded, and handed it to me.

It had the same four last digits as the one I had looked at the week before.

"That's the same gun I looked at last week," I said.

"Huh? No it's not. I sold that one. I just got this one in yesterday."

I pointed out that I remembered the last part of the serial number and he demurred, saying that I must be mistaken.

To put it simply, there was no way I could have mistaken that number. And what are the odds that he happened to get one numbered exactly 10000 above the one I had looked at the week before?

I walked out smarter than when I walked in. No muss, no fuss, I just walked out.

Without the gun.

That shop went out of business a year or so later.

Terry, 230RN

[Maverick223]

I walked out smarter than when I walked in. No muss, no fuss, I just walked out.

Without the gun.
Good for you...:D
That shop went out of business a year or so later.
Good for them. :neener:

[mata777]

Had a seller tell me that a phoenix arms hp-22 had just increased to 300.00 (a couple of years ago). I told him he was full of crap and walked out of his store.

[texnutah]

When I picked up my new .380 a couple of weeks ago the sales guy told me he had 3 boxes of ammo and I better get them because they were the last 3 boxes in the state. I asked him if he had personally called all of the ammo outlets to have such fantastic knowledge.

Randy

[Deer Hunter]

Physics test tomorrow morning, but taking time to tell a story.

So I'm in a shop. I've done business with them before, mostly had rifles shipped there. Did buy a Saiga at a great price there. I'm there with my mother, and we're thinking of picking up a small 9mm for my brother in law as a graduation gift.

She spots a beautiful Browning BDA under the glass. Now my mother's got an unhealthy obsession with Browning. She's got a Citori, hunts with a Browning .308 bolt action, wears her original Browning boots when she hunts, the works.

So her eyes get all glossy when I tell her that the pretty pistol is a browning. She would just love to see her Son in Law have such a great looking browning pistol.

But it's in .380. I remind her that we are looking for a 9mm. I also remind her that his hi-point carbine shoots 9mm as well.

Well she wants to see it anyway.

So we ask one of the store operators (the real owner is always in the back working on this or that) to see the browning. He lets us see it. My mother likes it, and the price is reasonable, but I tell her that ammo for 9mm will be cheaper, easier to find, and offer a wider-selection of loadings than the .380.

Well the guy behind the counter lets out a "Humph!" in a rather elitist sounding way. He proceeds to tell me that I am wrong, and that .380 ammo is much cheaper than 9mm.

I look him square in the eye and tell him he's fibbin'. My mother looked a little shocked, but I went on. I told him that I can find 9mm ammo cheaper and more widespread when compared to .380 ammo. And that includes practice and personal defense ammo.

He then takes two boxes from behind the counter and puts them on the counter in front of us. They were boxes of 20 Federal Hydrashock, one 9mm and one .380. He points to the prices.

"See?" He tries to lecture to me, "See on the tag? 9mm, 26.99. .380, 24.99!" His face beams with satisfaction for putting down an upidty youngster.

I slide the boxes back to him, saying "And the fact that I can get Federal HSTs in 50 round boxes for half that price doesn't mean jack, does it?" I motion for my mother to leave. "thanks for letting us see the gun, but don't try spin bullcrap on me or my mother."

I got a lecture when we got to the car, but I gently reminded my mother that I saved her from buying the gun (Because she does admit that she would have bought it). Not that it wasn't a nice gun, but it just wasn't what my BiL wanted.

[Indifferent]

Had a seller tell me that a phoenix arms hp-22 had just increased to 300.00 MATA777

You found a place that actually had those death traps in stock and was willing to sell one? I heard those things pretty much just fly apart in Gun Reviews. Some of them in less than a full magazine!


Anyways its not a lie, but not very reassuring.

Went to the Big 5 in Orange.
Guy was showing a rifle, I waited my turn than asked to see a Mossberg 500, hands it to me, unlocked, without checking the chamber, then turns his back to me and starts moving the other guns around.

I gave it back to him and told him to make sure it was cleared. I shoulda put a round in it. :barf:

[jd70]

I was in walmart years ago to pick up a gun and heard the dept. manager trying to sell a winchester model 70 in 223 WSM with the pitch line " Yeah and you can shoot all the military surplus 223 out of it as well! Their made to be interchangeable!" It took opening two boxes of ammo before he would believe me. LAST GUN I BOUGHT THERE!

[SUWANNEE MAN]

A clerk behind the counter emphatically argued with me that there was no such thing as an M590A1 with an aluminum trigger guard. he said it was only made in plastic. I insisted I'd seen it, touched it, and stopped short of telling him how I knew. I told me I was wrong. Go figure...

[slzy]

well,perhaps i should have said the clerk racked the slide on the glock and jumped into a tactical stance rather than cocked,claude.

i belive most people understood quite well what i meant.

[chuckusaret]

Biggest Lie. I had a sales clerk tell me that the store did not mark up selected weapons at least 30 to 40% above invoice. I stated I would buy the gun I was looking at, at the asking price, if he would show me the invoice. He would not show me the invoice and I did not buy the Springfield XD .40 for $719. I bought it thru GB NIB for $530, total cost $555 out the door, and should be delivered to my FFL on Monday.

[chuckusaret]

Ruger never made a Blackhawk with a barrel longer than 6.5".

I had a .30 Caliber Blackhawk with a 7.5" barrel

[Richbaker]

Ruger made a few OM BlackHawks with a 10" barrel....

[chuwee81]

you see, now when you hold it, you know it's going to be accurate.

friend overheard a salesman trying to make the sale. I didn't know you have to be a psychic if you wanna sell guns.

[johno]

A 32 mag is as powerful as a 38 special.

[RDCL]

"IF you ever sell it....you'll get more than you're paying now"

[45crittergitter]

Been around a good many of them. And each that was tried would not function without an opposing force. Maybe everyone (sic) that I've tried this with has been a lemon. If that's the case, Benelli's (sic) are trash because I've yet to see one work as is stated in the manual. (sic) Glad I still refuse to own one.

Gee, that's funny, because all of mine work perfectly in accordance with the laws of physics, with which I am pretty familiar, being an engineer and all. They never fail to function unless it is interfered with or I use a light load AND hold it too firmly so that the gun cannot move rearward enough.

The best demonstration for this is that very light loads which refuse to function from a firm shoulder suddenly work perfectly if the gun is held out in the air with one hand only and with the butt not touching anything. From the shooter's perspective, it's the exact opposite of most autos (particularly pistols) that require a firm grip for positive functioning. OTOH, gas operated weapons tend to not care too much how they're held, because they aren't recoil operated.

In the Benelli system, the bolt BODY is sort of "free floating" within the receiver, while the bolt head/face is locked into the barrel extension at firing. Upon firing, the gun, including the locked bolt head (but not the bolt body) MUST recoil a bit (about 4mm) in order to compress the internal bolt spring that resides between the bolt head and bolt body. This compression occurs because during recoil the bolt body, not being firmly attached to the bolt head, tends to stay where is is due to Newton's First Law, from which the Benelli system gets its name. A moment later, the compressed bolt spring overcomes the inertia of the "floating" bolt body, pushing it to the rear whereupon it and cams the bolt head out of battery and pulls it to the rear for conventional operation for the rest of the cycle.

This is all easily proven via the laws of physics, but it's not very intuitive for folks without a clear understanding of the science. I've yet to see any legitimate proof of the various "alternate" methods of operation of this system.

[Maverick223]

I have serious doubts that a Benelli is all that bad, however I doubt is it as good as a Rem 870. I am also an engineer and do not understand how a firm grip can impede the function of a recoil operated shotgun (but I am a civil engineer so "if it moves there's problem" :D ). That being said...I hearby move that Benelli is no longer mentioned in this thread. :D

[BhmBill]

Not a lie from the seller really, but here in Clark County (Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, Henderson, Boulder City, etc), private parties are required to register all handguns and get a blue card (proof of registration). Years ago I was buying a HP22 (i know... i know) and the guy lived in henderson. We met at a Henderson police station and the officers there WOULD NOT transfer the gun to me (I was 18) on the grounds that because it was a handgun I legally couldn't even purchase ammo for it, so there was no need for the gun. You can purchase handguns from private parties if you're under 21, but you can't purchase handgun ammo (.22lr in this case). I showed the cops my other blue cards (one for a Thunder Five .45-70 revolver and the other for a BFR .500 mag revolver).

So to sum it up, the police told me "You cant buy ammo for this gun, so it's useless to buy it"

Last time I ever bought from someone in Henderson or went to their police station.

The gun seller DID try to tell me he converted his Rem 1400 12ga into full auto using pipe cleaners after i bought the gun from him.... made me uneasy...

[VirgilCaine]

I have to say, I love this thread. It's just laugh after laugh, one post after another!

[Maverick223]

Virgil just voted for a sticky, and I second...

[VirgilCaine]

Not a bad idea, Maverick, I didn't think of that.

[Maverick223]

Not a bad idea, Maverick, I didn't think of that.
I think a couple people are subscribing to this thread, although there are only 12 pages of replies...:D

[jdub102003]

I had a guy at a pawn shop try to sell me a high-point c9 for $350 bucks...I am not a gun snob by no means so these are his exact words " This is a great carry gun, it is real scary looking and if you run out of ammo or there is a jam it is heavy enough to throw at them and knock them out" At 1 point i thought i was on a hidden camera show

[junior geezer]

used 6"python. detroit. the gun store clerk telling me: "formerly owned by a cop. traded it in 'cause it was too accurate."

[Maverick223]

It is scary looking and heavy, unfortunately that will do nothing for you if you run out of ammo.

[Maverick223]

"formerly owned by a cop. traded it in 'cause it was too accurate."LOL, that's a hoot, I mean what cop wants a decent accurate gun? :D

[sprice]

an obese 24 year old salesman told me he was a navy seal! he then showed me a pos crkt knife that apparently the seals give you when you graduate (even though i know they have the S.O.G. knives that are about three times as much). he also knew nothing about guns and didn't even know what a "pointman" was!

[Mags]

Guy told me that polishing a Glock connector to get a smoother trigger pull would cause the gun to go full-auto.
That is actually true made mine do burst and had to swap out components to make it work right.

[maulme]

Gun store clerk was trying to sell a Winchester Marine shotgun to the fella next to me. The clerk told him, "They call it the 'marine', cuz it's what the Marines carry".

[KenW.]

"You don't want this POS, that external extractor WILL break. Gauranteed"!

:fire:

[colorado_handgunner]

Saw a forest green High Point today at a gunshow for $275 :barf:
Are you kidding me? :scrutiny:

[TOTC]

I know of a guy that swears his Beretta 92 that he paid $600 for brand new back when they first came out is now worth $800 just because it's the same model of gun Mel Gibson used in Lethal Weapon.

[Isher]

"I'm selling it below my cost."

isher

[junior geezer]

maverick233:

hi! absolutely true. his entire comment ran "... traded it in 'cause it was too accurate. said he wanted something that was more of a challenge."

[VirgilCaine]

Saw a forest green High Point today at a gunshow for $275
Are you kidding me?

I dunno...how good was the paint job? :D

[Acera]

I saw a couple of PSL/Dragonov's today, or that was at least how they were marked.:rolleyes: They were obviously PSL's. This was the second time I had seen these at a gun show in Houston, same ignorant vendor.

[rmmoore]

Ahhhh, so many deceptions, so little time. The most recent was may not be deceptive depending on your perspective, but it seemed rather "odd" to me. I've been looking for a .22 Magnum rifle for almost 6 months. Combed every gun show, gun store, and pawn shop I came even remotely close to. I travel a lot for work, so there are many places to explore. New, used, I don't care.

Had a "store keeper/counter warmer" tell me that hardly anyone makes .22 Mag rifles anymore (like there was EVER an over abundance of manufacturers in the first place). "Anyway, since the development of the .17 WRM, there isn't any demand for .22 Mags, and noone is using them anymore", he tells me. "Hmmmm", I think. My response: "Well, if that's so, then why is it that I can't even find a used one in 3 States for almost 6 months, but EVERYONE, including YOU, has at least a half dozen .17 WRM's on the shelf? If the .22 Mag is sooo useless and outdated, I'd think the shelves would be full of them and the .17's would be as rare as platinum." His face got blood red, he huffed and puffed, and stormed off.

A week later, I found a brand new Marlin .22 WRM, not 5 miles from home, and happily brought it to the house. The "seller" at that store didn't even realize he had it, thought it was a 17. I wonder if any of the 17's I saw were really .22M's in disguise :neener:. I almost walked away from the one I found because the guy said it was a .17, but I could read the tag on that one from the counter. :D

[ccsniper]

had one try sell me an "officers model" chrome plated cz 52 for 400.

[rmmoore]

Well, here goes another goodie that happened recently. A gentleman went into a local gun store looking for black powder to use in his BEAUTIFUL "replica" Colt Peacemaker (I think, but it WAS a BP gun) for Cowboy Action. The "knowledgeable" counter-servant was happy to oblige him, and after chatting for a bit, reassuring him this was a really good powder, made the sale and sent the man on his merry way. The lie? The powder he sold him was a HOT, modern smokeless powder (I forget the name, I don't reload). The gun blew up, into many, many pieces. The guy is lucky he wasn't injured or killed. Not sure who is more to blame though; the salesman or the gun owner for not having a clue. I'm waiting to see if any Attorneys get involved.

[ccsniper]

forgot to mention this one, gun show salesman as I pick up a turk mauser
salesman "those are really rare mauser and that right there is a deal"
me "really? your asking $350 for it and I just bought 3 of these two days ago in much better shape than this for 50 a pop. and this is a deal?"
salesman "get away from my TABLE!!!!"
I gladly walked away.

[Hot brass]

You will die in a gun fight if you do have a Glock. :banghead:

[ljnowell]

You will die in a gun fight if you do have a Glock

What a ****, we all know the guy with the glock always wins the gunfight.:D

[jcwit]

Had a dealer at a gun show tell me that Rock Island 45's were made on CNC machinery left in the Philippines by Colt after WWII.

Guy had not a clue about history regarding Colt, WWII, or machinery and the CNC revoluation.

The dealer was a real joke but serious in his misguided thinking.

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I had a guy tell me that my Karabiner 1931 (K31 Swiss) was in fact a German remake of the M1 Garand and that it was semi-automatic.

I asked him, "How is it semi-automatic if I have to operate the bolt after every round?"

He said, "Because the rifle isn't equipped with it's standard issue gas tube."

I laughed in his face and called him out for being an idiot.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I've never heard of the CNC revoluation either.
lol. (just bustin' your chops, no offense intended. :) )



I think a better thread would be this:

"How many customers have you heard tell ridiculous stories about guns?"

[thorazine]

I've lost count how many old timers packing their nineteen elevens have said to me...

"You carrying the nine millimeter is just askin for trouble." states the gray hair.

"How so?" I inquire.

"You'll have to empty an entire clip in to the guy -- where the forty five will blow a mans arm off with one shot and send them flying twenty feet backwards." exclaims the seasoned citizen.

[otcconan]

Go to a pawn shop. Looking for a home defense shotgun. Two options considered: Mossberg 500, Remington 870.

Check out the Mossberg, action's sweet as silk. Then notice that the trapdoor to the magazine is missing.

I tell the guy: You want $150 for the 870 and $200 for the 500? Trapdoor is missing from the Mossberg.

He says: Well, the likelihood of shells coming out the the magazine is low because this little piece of metal blocks it.

I tell him: Didn't I tell you I intended this for home defense? In that scenario do I want a gun that "might" give me a second shot?

I bought the 870.

[BK]

All semis are double action.

[Dirtpile]

Sign on wall behind counter: "Top Dollar Paid for Used Guns"

[Greysand]

otcconan - "Check out the Mossberg, action's sweet as silk. Then notice that the trapdoor to the magazine is missing."

Huh? I don't understand. I can't recall ever seeing a Mossy 500 series with a trapdoor under the action. AFAIK the Mossy's don't come with that feature.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Am I missing something?

[Lost1]

I saw some Charles Daly shotguns at a LGS and asked if they had much experience with the field tactical model. The salesman said "He wouldn't put his name on it it it wasn't any good." :rolleyes:

[The Wiry Irishman]

otcconan - "Check out the Mossberg, action's sweet as silk. Then notice that the trapdoor to the magazine is missing."

Huh? I don't understand. I can't recall ever seeing a Mossy 500 series with a trapdoor under the action. AFAIK the Mossy's don't come with that feature.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Am I missing something?

No, you're not. They don't have them, and that's why I like them. Even though everyone else and his brother seems to be able to reload the 870s just as fast as a 500, I have some sort of personal malfunction that requires me to turn the gun over so I can look at the loading gate and struggle with that piece of metal for two minutes.

[BK]

Sign on wall behind counter: "Top Dollar Paid for Used Guns"

That's no lie. They will honestly use the dollar bill on the top of the stack in exchange for your pride & joy.:neener:

[malakili]

"The 5.7mm round was invented to fight aliens." He said this with a straight face.

Same fella, trying to explain why Wal-mart's Maverick shotguns were $177 and his were $250: "Those mossberg mavericks Wal-mart sells are lower quality than mine. They use plastic internal parts. I was at SHOT show and the Mossberg CEO told me."

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I had a guy tell me that my Karabiner 1931 (K31 Swiss) was in fact a German remake of the M1 Garand and that it was semi-automatic.

I asked him, "How is it semi-automatic if I have to operate the bolt after every round?"

He said, "Because the rifle isn't equipped with it's standard issue gas tube."

Holy crap, that's a good one! :)

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

lol tell me about it.

[RX-178]

"The 5.7mm round was invented to fight aliens." He said this with a straight face.


It was NOT. It was invented to fight cyborg terminators from the future. That's not the same thing as aliens!

...Dang, I couldn't keep a straight face. :D

[maroast]

I bought a $10 firing pin for my Kel Tec P32....when I got home I found out it was for a different model. I drove back and politely explained the situation....

The owner of B&S Guns in Garland TX called me an idiot in front of the entire store and said I clearly had no clue what I was talking about.... "all Kel Tecs use the same firing pin...it has to be modified"

To make a long story short I got my money back. I called Kel Tec that day....the woman on the phone said she had no clue what he was talking about.....

They mailed me a new (and correct) pin for FREE and it was at my door 3 days later.


I will never shop at that overpriced turd ever again

[Crimp]

That a Glock has a great trigger.

[Maverick223]

hi! absolutely true. his entire comment ran "... traded it in 'cause it was too accurate. said he wanted something that was more of a challenge."The more you say the better the story gets...tell me more...

You just can't fix stupid. :uhoh:

[Big_E]

Don't know if this counts as a dealer, but at Walmart, Man A was talking to Man B about grains on ammo boxes.

Man B: "What do the #'s of grains mean?"
Man A: "It means how much powder is in the cartridge."
B: "Oh, I thought it had something to do with heavier bullets."
A: "Well sometimes if there is a lot of powder in the cartridge, the bullets will be bigger."
I get sidetracked looking at knives... Man A walks away.
Me: "Don't listen to him my dad is an expert and I know a lot about ammo and other experts myself. Grains on the box is how heavy the bullet is. I am unsure about the amount of charge inside manufacturer ammo."
Man B: "Ok thanks."
Man A also made a great selection of Natural Light over other brews when I was scouring the aisles beforehand.

I can't stop thinking about a .308 round with 168 grs of powder in it. Just to see a rifle explode and kill Man A if he was reloading without experience.

[junior geezer]

maverick223:

sorry. can't contribute anymore re that one 'cause that's all there is. but i do have one more...
a gun store helper in west covina, Ca got all fired up when i walked in carrying a copy of the Shotgun News. ranted it was against the law for a non-FFL holder to even possess a copy, and DEMANDED i reveal my source. again absolutely true.

[LancerMW]

I was in a gun shop and i mentioned something bout a Kel_Tek 32. and the lady said she liked the 380. over the 32 "because the 32 cant shoot through car doors like the 380" or something like that i found it entertaining

[Maverick223]

This thread needs a sticky...it's a hoot to read.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I once had a gun store owner who was trying to cheat me rattle off about every myth concerning Japanese swords I'd ever heard.

"This sword is shorter because they sharpened it too much"
"See this damascus bowie knife? this is how japanese swords are supposed to look."


Same guy's manager told me that Kimbers were crap, no matter what.

[Wes Janson]

I bought a $10 firing pin for my Kel Tec P32....when I got home I found out it was for a different model. I drove back and politely explained the situation....

The owner of B&S Guns in Garland TX called me an idiot in front of the entire store and said I clearly had no clue what I was talking about.... "all Kel Tecs use the same firing pin...it has to be modified"

To make a long story short I got my money back. I called Kel Tec that day....the woman on the phone said she had no clue what he was talking about.....

They mailed me a new (and correct) pin for FREE and it was at my door 3 days later.


I will never shop at that overpriced turd ever again

Which makes me wonder...why did he have a Kel-Tec firing pin for sale in the first place? I could be wrong, but I don't believe they typically sell spare operating components through normal retail outlets (and I should know). Any time someone needs a part like that, they just call up Kel-Tec and they'll send it to you. Makes me wonder where they got it from in the first place...

[Big_E]

Oh I have another.

My friend was at the "larger" gun store in town and was looking at 1911's. He came across a Rock Island 1911. He asked one of the salesmen and he responded, "The guns have to be good in order to carry the 1911 name."

Now I have heard Rock Islands are ok, but most of this store's employee's are so full of fail. Ur lucky to get asked if you need help when you really do. And one time I asked if they carried any glass bedding kits. The salesman had no idea what I was talking about and when explaining it to him, he thought it was pointless. Sometimes the store can be helpful but I only go there during sales or two see the fancy guns they get in stock once in awhile.

[msiley]

#1) Once I was picking up a purchase at one of the local
dealers and someone commented (who was standing about 20 ft away)
"Where'd all the guns go?" This store had a lot of empty racks and
display cases. The owner under his breath says "Obama you EXPLETIVE idiot."

I was right in front of him and was thinking what a rude EXPLETIVE.

Not much of a lie but just goes to show you some of the attitudes.

#2) I was looking at a used Ruger GP100 and the guy says "it's only
been shot a couple of times." At first he said that
he didn't have a GP100 in stock, but then he double checked in the
computer and found one. So, he knew an awful lot about a gun he
thought he didn't have.

[Phatty]

"it's only
been shot a couple of times."
I'm sure that rolls off the lips of many dealers without a second thought.

This is one of my favorite threads. Keep 'em coming.

I don't have any "lies" to share, but I do enjoy hanging out at my local gun shop for 5 to 10 minutes just to hear all the political conspiracy theories that the owner rattles off. If you give him time, the owner will go through each and every gun-grabber myth that has been debunked on this site such as the 400% ammo tax increase. Even the stuff that is legitimate, such as pending bills that ban assault weapons are fun to hear when he describes them.

Of course, I never correct any of his misstatements. Instead, I really like to wind him up and encourage him, especially when there are other customers in the shop. I have no doubt that the guy believes everything he says.

Good times...

[jlg]

I've gotten the "Walmart has this gun for sale cheaper than us because the manufacturer makes a cheaper version of the gun sold exclusively through Walmart" line a couple of times. Once when I was looking to buy a Remington 700 Sendero...not likely buddy but nice try.

[61chalk]

I posted awhile back that a dealer at a Indiana gunshow said if I wanted M1 Garand I had better buy it now, because by June no one would be able too.....GEEEEEE, guess they must of just past a law to make them illegal....an CMP must of gone out of business, no more left because its June.......as Sgt. "Maddog" Cooley would say..."BONEHEAD!"

[herohog]

I've gotten the "Wal-Mart has this gun for sale cheaper than us because the manufacturer makes a cheaper version of the gun sold exclusively through Wal-Mart" line a couple of times. Once when I was looking to buy a Remington 700 Sendero...not likely buddy but nice try.
There IS truth in the Wal-Mart statement. :eek: I worked for a Wal-Mart supplier and I can tell you that the products made specifically for them are made to Wal-Marts specs and Price is a part of that. They demand a certain price per item and you either meet that price or you don't sell to WM. That forces cheaper materials and designs in these items that are WM only. :barf: Having said that, I can't speak for ALL WM suppliers but I have spoken to enough to know that this is Wal-Mart's standard practice.

[kanook]

that if you carry without one in the pipe you will never have an accidental discharge. :D

[Rellian]

"... but for you I am willing to take a cut and knock that price down to......."

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

There IS truth in the Wal-Mart statement. I worked for a Wal-Mart supplier and I can tell you that the products made specifically for them are made to Wal-Marts specs and Price is a part of that. They demand a certain price per item and you either meet that price or you don't sell to WM. That forces cheaper materials and designs in these items that are WM only. Having said that, I can't speak for ALL WM suppliers but I have spoken to enough to know that this is Wal-Mart's standard practice.


This is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm sorry if I'm a little rude. even though you deserve it for spreading such filth in a thread ABOUT gun store BS


Why, for the love of god, would a gun manufacturer take the time ( time = money) to make products to a different specification for Wal Mart?

This also implies seperate machinery for making the wal mart stuff.


It is absolutely incredulous.

[Maverick223]

This is absolutely ridiculousI think he is referring to products other than firearms, and sometimes that is true. :)

[Kar-el]

That "You don't want that M1 Carbine, it's a Universal."

Turns out after I paid $300 for it it was an Underwood. (You could see the "Un" then it disappeared under the sights and I could just barely make out that the last letter was a "D" instead of an "L").:D

And it is the most accurate M1 that I have (2 Inlands, an SG' and a Saginaw Steering Gear).

Kar-el

[TEC]

"This is the only gun you will ever need!" LOL

[jlg]

Quote:
I've gotten the "Wal-Mart has this gun for sale cheaper than us because the manufacturer makes a cheaper version of the gun sold exclusively through Wal-Mart" line a couple of times. Once when I was looking to buy a Remington 700 Sendero...not likely buddy but nice try.

There IS truth in the Wal-Mart statement. I worked for a Wal-Mart supplier and I can tell you that the products made specifically for them are made to Wal-Marts specs and Price is a part of that. They demand a certain price per item and you either meet that price or you don't sell to WM. That forces cheaper materials and designs in these items that are WM only. Having said that, I can't speak for ALL WM suppliers but I have spoken to enough to know that this is Wal-Mart's standard practice.

I know Wal-Mart bullies their vendors and that's how they get their prices so low. They're big enough they can name their own price. However, I don't see Remington making a "cheap" Sendero. I do however see Wal-Mart having much better buying power than the local gun shop and being able to buy said Sendero for less than the little guy and therefore being able to sell said Sendero for less than the little guy.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather give my money to the little local guy than Wal-Mart. And I'm okay paying a little more since I get service from the little guy and not from Wal-Mart. But in this particular instance we were talking about a difference of more than $200. Sorry little guy, you're gonna have to match that price if you want the sale.

[Gryffydd]

They typical Wal-Mart Special tricks are things like a shorter power cord on a vacuum, or in the case of guns, offering an "Exclusive" with a cheaper stock. From what I've seen if there's a difference between a Wal-Mart version of a gun and everything else, it's immediately obvious. If it's got the same model number and it looks the same, it probably is.
In most cases their buying power alone is sufficient for lower prices even without modifications to the product.

[shell70634]

"You don't want that. Let me show you what you want."

[TehK1w1]

I had a local gun dealer try to tell me that a CETME was the same thing as an FN FAL, and they just renamed it when they started making them in Spain.

[Arkel23]

I asked the guy if they could bore-sight my gun, he told me you had to shoot it to bore-sight it. LOL.

[LastStandArmory]

At gun show in texas, "Osprey optics are partnered with aimpoint, same interior design and parts, just assembled in china."

AIMpoint is actively ingaged in lawsuit with osprey national over these claims... whoops.

[chuckusaret]

sks are so inaccurate...I told the guy...arent you talking about a mini 14!!!

What!!!!! must be talking about a Mini 14 clone from china.

I'll put my Mini 14 up against the best SKS. I must admit that it is slightly modified with a
ASI harmonic barrel stabilizer, 3.5 lb. match trigger, 6 Port compensator, and several other extras.

[Maverick223]

I'll put my Mini 14 up against the best SKS.I have heard a rumor that they made a (one, singular, less than two) good accurate mini. :neener:

[uvausmc]

I've gotten into some arguments with salesmen at Bass Pro, Dicks, and larger places like that. They always know just enough to sound like they know what they are talking about but when it comes down to it, they give out a lot of misinformation. I'd rather they just tell me they have no clue.

Not at a shop but I once had a range officer at my local range say I couldnt shoot my .50 BMG because "the bullet goes too far." I tried to explain that it's trajectory is the same as several standard hunting cartridges but he wouldn't hear it. The same guy also told me i couldnt shoot steel plates at 200 yds with a rifle because of ricochets. Again i tried to explain that if the plate is angled down, with SP bullets, at that distance it wouldn't happen, i do it all the time on other ranges...again, no go.

[Nautilus]

"Unfired..."

[Ranb]

"A silencer will not work on a 17 hmr because it is supersonic." I guess he thought a 20-30 decibel reduction (or 100-1000 times) was not effective when the tiny sonic boom was not reduced.

Ranb

[cchris]

"Hi-Points are very very reliable guns. I've never heard of one jamming."

[Acera]

The same guy also told me i couldnt shoot steel plates at 200 yds with a rifle because of ricochets. Again i tried to explain that if the plate is angled down, with SP bullets, at that distance it wouldn't happen, i do it all the time on other ranges...again, no go.

uvausmc, LOL, did you ask him what they were out there for? Airsoft or Paintball maybe? :scrutiny: I am sure most of the folks out there with their handguns and .22s were not itching to shoot them at 200 yards.:rolleyes:

[jlg]

"A silencer will not work on a 17 hmr because it is supersonic." I guess he thought a 20-30 decibel reduction (or 100-1000 times) was not effective when the tiny sonic boom was not reduced.
I suppressed my 17hmr and am very pleased in the new quieter noise.

[gloucestergarand]

Last Monday at the Camp Allen Exchange, overheard the counter kid telling a Marine Gunny about VA CHL laws, when a Navy warrant leaned over and said you could open carry, long as you didn't have a magazine in. Counter kid quickly chimed in yup, ya gotta watch them cops too, they're real tough. I hope this isn't what is being taught in CHL classes now.

[jlg]

Last Monday at the Camp Allen Exchange, overheard the counter kid telling a Marine Gunny about VA CHL laws, when a Navy warrant leaned over and said you could open carry, long as you didn't have a magazine in. Counter kid quickly chimed in yup, ya gotta watch them cops too, they're real tough. I hope this isn't what is being taught in CHL classes now

How stupid would you have to be to open carry an unloaded gun?

[45crittergitter]

+1: Biggest Lie???? "You don't want that. Let me show you what you want."

Not only did I buy BOTH guns from the shop across the street, that particular shop is now out of business....

Attitude is everything.

[Mud Pup P]

"Obama's gonna ban it all, and what he can't he will tax the **** out of. So buy now while you still can."

Wait!!, Where is the LIE in this one..??

[Apple a Day]

Last Monday at the Camp Allen Exchange, overheard the counter kid telling a Marine Gunny about VA CHL laws, when a Navy warrant leaned over and said you could open carry, long as you didn't have a magazine in. Counter kid quickly chimed in yup, ya gotta watch them cops too, they're real tough. I hope this isn't what is being taught in CHL classes now.

Let me guess. Was it that little shop on the west side of rt. 17?

[chuckusaret]

I posted this elsewhere on THR but here it is again. I was at Gander Mountain last night; they had a 12 ga shotgun called a "Road Sweeper" This thing had a huge muzzel brake. The clerk was telling a customer all the advantages of having a Road Sweeper home defense shotgun with a muzzle brake of this type. Such ridiculous BS is not even worth repeating, but I have to repeat one; “it reduces the muzzle recoil and also reduces the muzzel flash in the dark and allows you to take another shot“.

"This is the only gun you will ever need!" LOLI use that statement all the time. I tell my wife ,at least monthly, this is the only gun I'll need from now on.

[Maverick223]

It should reduce the felt recoil and possibly the flash, but it will be LOUD and the blast will be horrendous. That muzzle device was designed as a brake for a .50BMG. :)

[lamebums]

Some guy trying to sell steel-core surplus 7.62x39 at the Indy 1500. He had it in bags of 20 on stripper clips. I knew what I was looking for, I wasn't misled by the label, but here goes:

"These rounds are the Chinese military armor piercing rounds used by the Chinese forces. Bullet core is Tungsten Carbide and is solid copper color for easy identification. These rounds will pierce 1-1/2 inches of armor plate."

He asked for 20 but I don't think he sold any that day (he accepted $10).

[dullh]

I've never had a seller lie to me, either in person or on the internet gun sites. In most situations I can typically sense something is wrong before I commit to buy.

[moonzapa]

My local gun dealer "behind the counter jerk" told me that the Ruger Mini-Thirty ammo could not be reloaded.:banghead: However, he did sell W_ _ _ brand 7.62X39 loaded ammo and told me that it would work just fine in that new Mini Thirty I had purchased. I don't go to that gun dealer any more

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

The lie, Mud pup, is the malicious intentions of scaring people into paying too much, and using baseless claims to get your points across instead of solid reasoning based in reality.

[earlthegoat2]

Sometimes a gun sellers opinion is interpreted as a lie by the people who have read too many horrible gun rags.

[Acera]

Sometimes a gun sellers opinion is interpreted as a lie by the people who have read too many horrible gun rags

And a lot of times they put greed and the need to service their ego ahead of ethics and knowledge.

[Erik M]

That my Llama Mini-max 9mm is 'virtually worthless' because they dont manufacture them anymore.

I thought that when something becomes rare after a period of time it increases the value. stupid me.

Oh and I forgot the one that a walmart clerk told my grandpa and myself. There is an ammo shortage because the President secretly ordered all the manufacturers to start laser engraving serial numbers onto every bullet produced. So after the new ammo comes out it will be a federal offense to own ammo that isnt serialized.

[-v-]

"These here 5.7 bullets will easily penetrate even armored plate! I've seen it at our steel-challenge shoots!"

[TOTC]

While at a local gunshop this weekend, a kid was asking about a Taurus Raging Bull. Specifically asked about recoil and how bad it was. The clerk replied that it kicks like a mule and you won't like it. I piped up and stated I don't know, it was kind of a pussycat when I fired my friends. The clerk then goes on about how heavy the barrel is, and how it really isn't that bad to shoot. He was an artist, a regular Van Gogh, and his medium was BS. :)

[Halffast]

Here's a couple. A customer in a gun shop said, "The scope you sold me is no good because I can't hit anything when I shoot off hand. If I rest the gun, the scope stays zeroed, but off hand it won't. I know it's not me because I had my buddy try it and it does the same thing."

A salesman in a shop..."The AK-47 is only good out to 100 yards, maybe 150."

[N003k]

Heres a horrible one, didn't happen to me, but rather to a friend.

Guy JUST got a VZ.58, the first gun HE has owned to the best of my knowledge, me and my father helped him through the process and everything, and he picked it up just on Saturday. Sunday he decided he was going to take it to the range, called an indoor range asked if he could shoot it there, the first minor lie was them telling him he could, the range actually wont allow anything but pistols and .22's....

He didn't realize though, so he heads over there figuring he's going to put some rounds through the thing, and when he gets in, the clerk starts telling him a few things....all about how he's somehow breaking the law....the rifle is a standard VZ.58, fixed stock, and no bayonet lug. Perfectly legal in CT, clerks telling him it ISN'T legal in CT, and ALSO proceeds to tell him that it's illegal to transport a firearm at all in CT without a carry permit or a hunting license....

Yup, appearently even though they'll SELL to you, you'll be breaking the law according to this guy as soon as you try to take it home if you don't have a carry permit or hunting license....

[Justin]

"These here 5.7 bullets will easily penetrate even armored plate! I've seen it at our steel-challenge shoots!"

I would have a hard time believing that 5.7 would go through AR-500 armor plate, which is the standard for Steel Challenge targets. However, I have no doubt that 5.7, being a high-velocity bottle-necked cartridge would greatly accelerate the wear and tear on Steel Challenge targets given that Steel Challenge is shot at ranges of between 10-30ish yards.

[christcorp]

I brought a girl-friend into the local gun store to see about buying a gun for herself. The gentleman who owns/runs the shop was out sick so his wife was running the place. (Nothing against women; DON'T GO THERE). She wanted to basically "Sell" my friend on different guns. I figured, what the hell. I'll look around. Maybe a women's perspective might be a good thing. After all, they were both built about the same. So I go looking around. Luckily; I get back in time to correct a few problems the lady was saying, and my friend was almost buying off on. Here's some questions, answers, and comments.

Friend: "How do I open this gun up to put the ammunition in"? (REVOLVER)
Saleswoman: "Like this.... Oh, you're left handed. You can't shoot this gun, it won't work right; but we can special order a left handed model for you.

Friend: "My friend said (Me) that this revolver would be good because the caliber has a lot of different bullet weights and powder, so I can find the right ammo that feels right and shoots good for me; with room to grow"
Saleswoman: "Well, your friend isn't totally correct. You can find ammo that shoots best for you, but all the bullets are the same exact size. The grain you see on the box is how much powder it has. So, the 147 grain 38 special is more powerful than the 125 grain because it's got 22 grains more powder".

Friend: "My friend (me) said that this 357 magnum revolver would be a good choice because it can shoot the 38 specials and therefor opens up many different ammunitions from very light to very powerful".
Saleswoman: "Again, your friend (Me) isn't correct. All bullets are measured in metric or inches. The 357 magnum is .357 inches in size. The 38 special is .38 inches in size. It's a lot bigger than the 357 and won't fit in the 357 magnum revolver. But that doesn't matter, because the 38 is so much bigger, that it's more powerful than the 357 anyway".

I can't even imagine what else she said while I was away shopping. Those were just the 3 conversations I heard standing there. Needless to say that I straightened my friend out. Told here that the gun shop was "Normally" a very good place to shop. Just that this woman didn't know what she was talking about. So I said it's best if you just feel the different guns and don't ask questions of the lady. My friend walked out with a 38 special S&W Airweight model 638. She's happy, and it's the perfect gun for her. I can only imagine what she would have walked out with if I wasn't there.

[Phatty]

The grain you see on the box is how much powder it has.
This misconception is much more prevalent than you would think.

[essayons21]

If I had about a hundred bucks for every time a gun store employee told me they didn't stock something they actually had or they had something that they never stocked, I'd have a few new guns.

Usually its because the employee has absolutely no idea of what item I'm looking for, but is too embarassed or arrogant to admit it.

[Maverick223]

This misconception is much more prevalent than you would think.Evidently, I have seen it in this thread more than a couple times.
they had something that they never stockedRan into that about a week ago. I was looking for a CZ550 Safari to shoulder and called a local shop, I asked if it was an American or Euro (hogsback) stock because I wanted to handle both. Response: We have several, all have American stocks. Come to find out the only thing American about the stocks was where they were located. :)

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Got to get me one of those left-handed revolvers! :)

[kw11b2p]

GOT A DIFFICULT ONE HERE

Can't remember the number of times I've been asked not to dry fire a pistol because it damages the weapon. Now, I'm sure that there will be various responses to this and I am not considering myself a subject matter expert or engineer. That being said, when I served in the military we trained with our weapons by dry firing them hundreds upon hundreds of times doing nickel and dime drills. Taking that into account and multiplying that number by how many soldiers did the same to each weapon.....and the fact that we never had problems with our RIFLES (and there could be some phenomenon that I'm not aware of that affects rifles differently than pistols) leads me to believe that this is a lie. That and the fact that I have to believe that a firing pin being released and hitting nothing is slightly less damaging than a firing pin being released and striking a metal primer that releases approximately 58,000 PSI of chamber pressure (M- 4 carbine). I've never seen a firing pin destroyed in a dry fire but I have seen it happen in a live fire.

[Maverick223]

Got to get me one of those left-handed revolvers!They are rare and collectible (there probably is ONE). ;)

kw11b2p, there are some firearms (mostly rimfire) that shouldn't b dry fired. The are designed to impact soft lead in the forward direction of travel and that stops the pin preventing peening. Most firearms (pistols and rifles) are okay to dry fire, but as a general rule I will not dry fire someone else's firearm. :)

[RDak]

Christcorp you owe me a new keyboard, it shorted out from the pepsi I spit out all over it!!

[kw11b2p]

MAVERICK223

Thank you for the response and increase in knowledge...this is the perfect example of why I love this site. Thanks again.

[hexidismal]

The left handed revolver does exist in common production, and is made by charter arms. They have a regular model and the 'Pink Lady' edition made specifically for women shooters .. so it's not strange that the store clerk said she could order one. Might want to check your facts before you make fun sometimes fellas :P

http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Southpaw_93820.html
http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_PinkLadyLH_93830.html

[Maverick223]

Thank you for the response and increase in knowledge...this is the perfect example of why I love this site.NP, kw11b2p I love this place too. :)

[christcorp]

I wasn't making fun for her saying she'd order a Left Handed Revolver. I know for a fact they exist. I have shot them. What I thought was funny; was that she told my friend that the revolver she was holding WOULDN'T WORK because it was for right handed people. And that she would NEED to order a left handed model.

[Team Grandma]

I was at a local gun store looking at a 1911, as I'm looking at the weapon the salesman begins telling me about the gun: where its made, how its made etc. after I looked over the gun I asked why it was marked "new" his obvious reply was "because it is" I then asked him why it had all kinds of powder residue in the barrel and about the brass coloring on the ejection port. this morons answer was " all manufacturers test fire thier weapons and they dont clean them afterwards" I could tell that the pistol had MANY rounds fired through it not just one or two so I politly handed the gun back thanked him for his time and left the store!

[farscott]

I was in a local shop looking at a pre-WWII S&W Military & Police. I am no expert on S&W revolvers but I am familiar with them, so I ask to look at this one because one does not often get a chance to add a pre-war S&W revolver to the collection. It was obvious that the gun had been refinished by the factory because the star stamp was on just about every serialized part. It was a very well done job. Even the case-colored parts were gorgeous. The revolver had been restored to a great state. It was priced a bit high, but not too out of line. So I was taking my time looking at it, and the clerk must have decided I was on the edge of buying it or not. In his mind, I needed a push.

So he unloads his push. "You better buy that one because you will never see one like it again. They only made a few of those guns."

My response, "Really?"

Him: "Yup, Ruger made them last year for S&W. That is titanium."

[DRYHUMOR]

I had one tell me the truth! No lie!

He said he was getting 1" groups with the rifle (M70 Coyote in .308). Well, I proved him right, I was getting about 1" groups also. Try as I might, I just couldn't get em any tighter.

I decided to sell the rifle, and as I was taking pics of it I noticed something in the barrel. Borescoped it, and found damage about an inch or so in.

I knew then why it wouldn't group any tighter.

It's on my to do list to cut and recrown.

[Stormshotty]

I had a seller at a gunshow offer a genuine Iron Cross for 30 dollars. He said you could tell because they were made of real iron and were magnetic. I was a little skeptical and did not want to spend 30 dollars on something I was unsure of. I am still not sure if he was telling the truth.

[esq_stu]

No, we don't have any 9mm Makarov ammo, but you can always use .380."

[paintballdude902]

ummmm had a guy tell me that a savage .243 with a wodden stock and a simmons scope was at least 30 years old and that model was a limited edition

i pulled out my phone and called my regular dealer hye said he could order the rifle and scope for less than 450

guy was asking 725 FOR A SAVAGE!!

also had a guy at a gunshow try and convince me that the last lee enfield made was in 1945 when wwII ended i went to my truck and grabbed my 1965 ishy guy jsut about crapped himself. i think he was just misinformed

[w_houle]

No, we don't have any 9mm Makarov ammo, but you can always use .380.
Well... at least they didn't suggest 9x19
"There ain't no such thing as .45 Schofield". This came from the same guy who sold me a .30 Luger pistol as a 9mm

[Maverick223]

Well... at least they didn't suggest 9x199mm Luger would arguably be safer because it simply wouldn't fit...although if it (due to slop...like in a Mak ;) ) did it would make for a bad day. :)

[DasFriek]

I got one that just happened today,well mabey anyhow.
This sounded really odd to me,but i see no reason why the guy would lie or make an untrue statement.While looking for ccw weapons i saw a Taurus 945 mid sized .40 in stainless.BTW i like Taurus,but when i asked to see this weapon i was told "you dont want stainless for a ccw,its too easy to see" i was like wha?? and then recomended i get an all black as its easier to conceal.Now i prefer all black anyhow,but i wouldnt pass up a gun do to a nice stainless feature.

So did he lie? or on the money? or just didnt want me buying a Taurus to protect my life with? lol j/k on that one,as stated i like Taurus.

[Maverick223]

So did he lie? or on the money?Well if you conceal it properly then nobody can see it (whether it be SS or Blue or glow-in-the-dark). :rolleyes: Also SS finish tends to look better for a daily carry weapon (wear is less noticeable), otherwise I prefer a Blue gun. :)

[DasFriek]

Thats what i was thinking,i dont have my ccw classes for a month and no experiance in what works and doesnt.My thinking was "if its concealed how can they tell if its stainless or not?" like it was gonna jump out under my shirt and say "Hey look at me,im shiny!"
Even if it was black or blued if someone saw part of it i guess they may think its something else,but stainless would give it away as a gun.
Oh well,it wasnt a deal i was making out on anyhow,loosing $300 on my gun in the trade wasnt worth it when i want a .45 and this was a .40

[enerum]

I haven't read all the posts, but some of the ones I've seen have kept me laughing for a while... that said, I have a couple of instances where ignorance was used as an excuse to not sell me a gun/ammo. For reference, I'm about 7 years older than my brother.

Gander Mtn, Greensboro NC: (With attitude) "Letting a minor shoot a handgun is illegal, and since I've overheard that you intend to let your little brother shoot (he was 16 and with me), then I can't sell you this gun. It's a strawman transaction."
It's a shame, too... she was cute, and I fully intended to ask for her number... :p

Wal-Mart, Randleman NC: "I need to see your ID."
Me: "Here you go."
WM: "I need to see his too."
Me: "Why do you need to see his ID? I'm buying it..."
WM: "I can't sell you the ammo if you have him with you, because you might give it to him. Those are the government's rules, sorry."
Me: "That's ridiculous... you're saying that if a man comes in with his little kid, you couldn't sell him ammo?"
WM: "That's different..."
(This one actually went on a little longer, but I've omitted some of the more colorful parts... this is the only time I've actually lost my cool with someone working in retail - I've been there and have pity on those poor souls. It's just that the rampant stupidity coupled with her attitude drove me over the edge... and have you ever dealt with a WM employee on a power trip?)

Those were around the same time, and 3 years later they still get me a little fired up.
I have no clue what gives people the idea that my brother and I are such troublemakers... we're both well-dressed and polite.

A little off my own subject, but I've gotta brag on the kid... we went to a range in the area that most locals (and LEOs) frequented, and he was more disciplined with a gun than the majority of them. Kid follows the rules and shoots tight groups, s'all I'm saying.

[chuckusaret]

Had a salesman tell me that .223 and 5.56 were the same exact same rounds and the 5.56 would work just fine in my rifle. When I questioned him about the difference in round pressures, he sluffed it off and said all the rifles that are chambered for the .223 are designed to handle the increased pressure. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) addressed the differnce of the two rounds many years ago and recommended that the 5.56 not be used in a .223 sporting type rifles. I reported the salesman statement to the owner, but it has been 3 or 4 months and the guy is still employed.

[mata777]

Noboby sells .38 super ammo anymore, it's obsolete. :what:

[WTBguns10kOK]

Not sure he was lying...but I was informed that if you got shot in the head with a .22 handgun, it was "lights out" and that "ya a .22 will penetrate farther than those 9mm."

[Maverick223]

Not really a lie, but sheer stupidity I suppose. I told a guy at the gun counter at Gander Mtn. yesterday "I have never seen a repeating Browning 1885", his response as I pointed to a M1 Garand (that had a tag for a 1885 High Wall on it), "yeah, we have some interesting guns". I then pointed out that it was the incorrect tag, and inquired about the price. He then stated "The price is on the tag" and walked away...ummm...I didn't end up buying it. :D

THIS THREAD NEEDS STICKIFIED! ;)

[FunYet]

1) The Kel-Tec P32 is made by Glock, in fact it's a miniature Glock.

2) The Rohrbaugh R9 is made of the same material used to make the Space Shuttle.

3) No matter what gun I'm looking at, it always seems to be exactly the same one the salesman owns.

4) $35.00 for a box of 9mm (50 rounds) is a good price ;)

I'm sure there have been many others that I've forgotten but #1 and #2 still crack me up.

[Maverick223]

The Rohrbaugh R9 is made of the same material used to make the Space Shuttle.Okay, now that is the truth (SS and Carbon Fiber Composite), of course a plastic Coke bottle is also "made of the same material used to make the Space Shuttle" (plastic). :uhoh:

[BMF500]

Wal-Mart in Malvern, Arkansas: Immediately after completing the paper work for my out of state hunting license for a weekend duck hunt was told I could not purchase the 3 boxes of Black Cloud 12ga, beacause I "live out of state." W.T.F. ARE YOU SMOKING?!?!?!?

Yeah, they still sell guns at Wal-Mart in Arkansas.......

[VegasOPM]

Noboby sells .38 super ammo anymore, it's obsolete.

Another one that is similar. I asked the salesman if the Armscor .38 Super was rimless or rimmed. He said ".38 Super is a rimless cartridge".

[w_houle]

In recent years rimless cases became available that transformed the .38 Super into a rimless cartridge. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Super#Rimless_.38_Super_cartridge_cases)
So not a flat out lie, and besides... How many non shooters know that semi rimmed cartridges exist?

[Maverick223]

Does that mean I can build my own space shuttle out of Coke bottles?Actually it does, lol. You could build it for about $0.79 and call it Buran. :neener:
We talking about the soft drink or the little tiny bottles cocaine comes in that you see laying around in alleys near college campuses?Wow, where did you go to school? :eek:

[ADKWOODSMAN]

Walter, I thought that was only Wally World to put defective returns on the shelf!!!

[ljnowell]

Wow, where did you go to school?

Sounds like he went to school in America. :)

[dukenobles]

Remington does not make left handed bolt actions.

A left handed bolt action is a special order item and costs a couple hundred more.

with a kimber, you're just buying a name. these taurus 1911s come from the same factory.

[ljnowell]

with a kimber, you're just buying a name. these taurus 1911s come from the same factory.

Wow thats a good one. Of course, I dont care much for kimber, but still. wow.

[Deadheadted37]

I recently saw a guy trying to trade in a mint AK-74 and the gun shop said it was a sporterized AK-47 and is nearly worthless and offered him $50 buck for it.

[ChCx2744]

"5.56 and .223 are the same thing...You don't have to worry so much..."

"There is no such thing as an AK-74"

[frankiestoys]

I wont say the shops name only because ive purchased other firearms from them, but the manager who took trades told me that my Smith and Wesson 642 was not worth 75$ because it had been fired( less then 300 rounds) and people only bought those guns for carry so he couldnt get much for it. DUH! All the reason why. I was looking to replace it with the new LCR i still have it, and now it sits in my end table.
The gun looks and fires like new but some people will say anything to get a deal.

[sig40]

I was in a gun shop near my house looking at holsters for ccw. Salesman told me that I didnt need one all I had to do was shove it down the front of my pants and cinch up my belt tighter. He also said to wrap a red rubber band around the barrel so if I had to draw on a BG he would think it was a toy and be distracted long enough for me to get a shot off first.

[Archery Ham]

"You can hit a deer in the hip with a .300 Win Mag and spin it around so fast that it will break its neck."

Yeah right.

[chuckusaret]

I wont say the shops name only because ive purchased other firearms from them, but the manager who took trades told me that my Smith and Wesson 642 was not worth 75$...........................

There is no such thing as honesty and credibility when you are dealing with the majority of the local gun shops. One local dealer appraised my unfired NIB 1965 S&W 27-2 .357 serial #S254XXX in the wooden presentation case at $200 and $225.00 with the box of ammo that came with it in 1965. He also stated that there was not a big market for this style wheel gun. The gun sold the first day on Gun Broker at the $1400 asking price.

[larry_minn]

I wont say the shops name only because ive purchased other firearms from them, but the manager who took trades told me that my Smith and Wesson 642 was not worth 75$ because it had been fired( less then 300 rounds) and people only bought those guns for carry so he couldnt get much for it. DUH! All the reason why. I was looking to replace it with the new LCR i still have it, and now it sits in my end table.
The gun looks and fires like new but some people will say anything to get a deal.

I will give you $250 for it sight unseen. :) Let me know where to send the FFL card.

[glocks rock]

Was looking at a Les Baer TRS and the sales man told me he had a stock SA TRP that would shoot circles around andy Les Baer made. Ha Ha.

[Erik M]

It's a strawman transaction."

straw purchase perhaps lol

[Erik M]

I tried to trade a NIB Winchester Model 94 30/30 for a concealed carry pistol a while back. I was told that the shop manager wouldnt approve the trade because "no one buys lever actions anymore, in this day and age of gun bans everyone is climbing over each other to buy AK's and AR15's while they can still purchase them legally".

[Mags]

Was looking at a Les Baer TRS and the sales man told me he had a stock SA TRP that would shoot circles around andy Les Baer made. Ha Ha. I would buy that line. Why would a salesman try to swing you on a less expensive gun?

[Gryffydd]

I would buy that line. Why would a salesman try to swing you on a less expensive gun?
Margin might be better.
The TRP really is a pretty awesome gun. Both it and the Les Baer are probably just about equally more accurate than most anyone will ever shoot them, though I'd imagine the Les Baer would be nicer

[AWorthyOpponent]

He also said to wrap a red rubber band around the barrel so if I had to draw on a BG he would think it was a toy and be distracted long enough for me to get a shot off first.

HAHAHAHA,,,REALLY??? Im sorry...that just takes the cake...

[glocks rock]

The store I went to is a SA authorized dealer and they sell more SA than any other store in this area. Any time you look at a smith 1911, Colt , Kimber, or Les Baer, they always say the same thing. SA is best on the market. I agree SA builds a good 1911 but they are NOT the best on the market.

[Noxx]

This thread serves to remind me that finding a good gun shop is a bit like finding an honest lawyer. There's a joint up the street from me that has a Norinco SKS carbine ont he rack for a thousand dollars. Free market, I suppose somebody might even buy it.

Like other posters I've had some insulting offers around town when looking to sell. It's accepted if you want to sell a gun in a hurry you're going to take the bite, and accept wholesale price, but not necessarily wholesale larceny. I was once offered $75.00 by a local dealer on a very sweet, lightly used 686 in 4", "take it or leave it". Needless to say I left it.

I think the baldest outright lie I've ever heard, some fellow tried to pass a Tula Mosin off on me as "never fired", the barrel looked like a meteor had been through it, and the bolt didn't match. Nice :P

[chuckusaret]

I agree SA builds a good 1911 but they are NOT the best on the market.

Who do you think builds the best weapon? For darn sure it is not Glock. Every real gunsmith that I have had the plesure to talk guns with have stated that the Springfields are the best weapons made today. I have several SA, S&W, Colt and Kimbers and IMO are all better than any other gun produced. This based on reliability, and accuracy. I no longer have a Glock in my collection because of their tendency to KaBoom( catastrophic failure) and which I experienced first hand on my second trip to the range with a G22. In more than 50 years of shooting this was the first catastrophic weapons failure that I have experienced and hopefully my last.

[Gryffydd]

I think he was comparing Springfield Armory 1911s to 1911s made by Ed Brown, Les Baer and so on.

[essayons21]

The store I went to is a SA authorized dealer and they sell more SA than any other store in this area. Any time you look at a smith 1911, Colt , Kimber, or Les Baer, they always say the same thing. SA is best on the market. I agree SA builds a good 1911 but they are NOT the best on the market.

I would say that they are the best 1911, FOR THE MONEY, on the market. Yes a Les Baer is much nicer, in terms of fit, finish, and shiny doodas, but as far as accuracy and reliability, SA 1911s are neck and neck with guns priced 3x higher. I would even rank the higher end SAs over some of the newer Kimbers in terms of fit and finish, and they cost less too.

[Maverick223]

Who do you think builds the best weapon?As far as a handgun, I believe it is HK hands down. My HK USP has never let me down in any way. :)

[JustinL]

Here is another. Again, not a lie but ignorance.

Me: May I please see that Colt New Service?
Clerk: Oh no, that is not new, it is used.

[chuwee81]

not at the shop but at the range. I saw a PSL (romanian) that you can tell by the immediate magazine release instead of the 2-3" apart of the Dragunov - from the trigger guard. It was on the rack, with no mags so i can't see the X mark mag instead of the waffle. But from the wood and the mag release i know it's a PSL.
So i asked the owner, "hey, that's a nice looking PSL" in which he replied "nah man, it's a Dragunov". I don't know if the seller sold him that and he thought he was buying a Drag or he knew what it was and was just looking for the "ooohh and ahhhs". I politely excused myself and chuckle.

[Bass Killer]

Beretta dosent make firearms in the USA, lol. I also heard once that FN 5.7 Pistols are illegal.

[azvarminthunter]

I know exactly what you are talking about. It seems like lately shops hire people with a good line but not much on knowledge. I once had been on a bird hunt near a town several hours from my home town. It was one those days I had forgot that one important item, my ammo. I went in asking for 2 3/4 6 shot. The guy told me that I needed 3 1/2 inch. I said not I have a Rem 870 wingmaster not rated for 3 1/2 inch. He said yes 3 1/2 inch. If I was not in rush to meet he rest of the group I would have left. Instead we went back and forth. He then said sorry I can not sell you ammo that I know is wrong for your gun. I had to go out to the truck and bring my shotgun just to prove my point. At this point I just did not want to be told wrong. After showing it to him said oh sorry you must have got a custom one. I then asked for the right size. He said sorry I only have 3 1/2 in stock. Again he just wanted to sell me what he had. I have had this type of thing happen over and over through the years. I have rently been working with a company called Personal Choice Outfitters, www.personalchoiceoutfitters.com . They seem to a newly established company and do not have much on their site yet, but the people here really know their products. I have both emailed and called them and have had received great info. They even helped me date an old single shot rifle my father gave me. They helped me find original parts. I was surprised because they did not have much on the website, but ordered me what ever I wanted for much less then I saw anywhere else. No lies for those sales people.

[sublime167]

"That's a good price for that Taurus 840!"
The guns price was $600.

More than $500 for this piece is too much.

[Expertowgunner]

I work at a gun/pawn shop and i must tell you i go to all the local gunshops in my area and wonder why the hell are they still in business. i dont bs people about the products i sell and i sure as hell dont try to sell a gun that obviously isnt the right one for the customer. i know what dealer cost is on most guns and it still sickens me to see gun shop owners price a moisin nagant at 225 when they paid 75 bucks shipped and then the ahole has the audacity to tell me its a rare all matching winchester made nagant when it has a big cai stamp on it. ticks me off too

[PT1911]

guy came into a local shop trying to sell an LCP he had picked up a couple months earlier (pre recall gun in the post recall period) when the shop owner told him he could only put about 200 into the gun as he had well under 300 in a new one and that one needed to be sent back to ruger anyway the guy looked shocked... according to him he had paid "500" for it new and couldnt take less than that for it now... laughed as he walked out of the shop... saw a "NEW IN BOX LCP in the local "buy sell" magazine for $550.


great deal for a 300 dollar gun...

[kw11b2p]

what's wrong with the Taurus 800 series? Have you fired one or simply basing your response on Taurus hate.

[glocks rock]

Chuckusaret. I stated that SA makes a good 1911 but they are NOT the best on the market. If you look on Hilton Yams web site he states he prefers to work of a Colt platform. I agree. I think Colt makes the best production 1911 on the market. They use less MIM parts and their guns also go bang every time you pull the trigger. I only speak from my own experiances with both but I too own SA , Colt, Les baer, and Nighthawk. If I were to buy a production 1911, it would be a Colt. I also believe Glocks are the best combat handgun on the market followed closely by the 1911. I realize you had a bad experiance with you're
glock, but all 7 of mine have been good OTB. I think SA custom shop is one of the best out there including Baer, Brown , Wilson , or Nighthawk. Have you ever owned a Baer? There is a big Diff between a Baer and a SA production gun. I like the TRP but it isn't on the same level as a Baer or any other semi ccustome maker. If you think it is , good. You can save you're self some money. I don't . I'm not trying to be confrontational. I just answered the OP with my experiance at a local gunshop . If you feel differentlly from me then ok. It's America and you can have any oppinion you want.

[sublime167]

what's wrong with the Taurus 800 series? Have you fired one or simply basing your response on Taurus hate.
I wasn't calling the Taurus a piece as in, POS, I was calling it a piece as in, slang for gun.

[collector14]

Overheard at a gun show...This guy had a shotgun which I saw him pay $200 for. He was asking $350 for it. Another guy came along and offered him $300. The guy said, "if I sold it to you for $300, I'd be losing $50 on it".

After the potential buyer walked away, the guy turned to me and said, "it's true". "If I sold it for $300 instead of $350, I would be losing $50".

[Deckard]

"The Japanese used these here rifles to bring down American dive bombers during the war." - man points to a few Arisakas

[Maverick223]

"The Japanese used these here rifles to bring down American dive bombers during the war." - man points to a few ArisakasThe rifle was actually designed for shooing at planes (amongst a great deal of other uses, it was the Swiss Army knife of WWII), the rear sight has sight arms for leading aircraft...actually shooting down a plane is a whole different story, pretty unlikely if you ask me. :)

[Thomas Garrett]

After looking and calling gunsmiths to find a "Colt Smith", was told to bring them in to a (will not name) a certain store with a older (70+) gunsmith that knows Colts very well, works on them all the time. Well to be short, took my 2 Colt Officers Model Matches (OMM's) Wanted the internal's cleaned / lubricated, (haven't been done for about 10 years). Got into a discussion about "Target" pistols, the gunsmith said that if i wanted a "real" target pistol that i should buy the one in his case, he the proceeded to pull out and show me a Rock Island GI version for $575.00. I took my OMM's and left immediately. Funny thing is, I already own a RIA FS Tactical.

[Deckard]

The rifle was actually designed for shooing at planes (amongst a great deal of other uses, it was the Swiss Army knife of WWII), the rear sight has sight arms for leading aircraft...actually shooting down a plane is a whole different story, pretty unlikely if you ask me. It was a bit ambitious on the part of the Japanese engineers. If one of those rifles actually brought down a plane I'll eat my hat. This guy was making it out to have been shooting down P-47s left and right...so maybe more of a shameless exaggeration than an out and out lie.

[DeepLiquid]

Had a gun store employee tell me while I was shopping for a 1911..."I don't like to sell .45's to gals...it's a bit too much gun for them. A .38 packs as much punch as a .45 and will be lighter for you". :rolleyes: (I was a LEO at the time)

[Maverick223]

^And you could break a nail loading those big manly cartridges. :rolleyes:

It was a bit ambitious on the part of the Japanese engineers. If one of those rifles actually brought down a plane I'll eat my hat. This guy was making it out to have been shooting down P-47s left and right...so maybe more of a shameless exaggeration than an out and out lie.Agreed...just figured I would share that little tidbit in case you didn't know about it. I am sure that is where he based his misinformation. :)

[hammers2121]

I brought a Colt Python in to be sent off for a factory refinish, and after 2 months I went in to check on it, and was told it hadn't came back yet. After a few months went by and I demanded it back, I was told it was lost. Still ongoing battle, but he has offered me 200.00 for it. I guess the small amount of holster burn on the barrel destroyed the value, that is his reason for the small amount. I had it appraised at a gun show and the dealer offered me over 800.00 for it. He swears you can pick up Colt Pythons in good condition from Shotgun News for 2-3 hundred, but he won't get me one for some reason.

[Maverick223]

hammers2121, welcome to THR! Sorry you have such an a$$ of a dealer, looks like itis time to find a new one. :)

[Bass Killer]

Im allways having to point out firearms to the dealers because they dont know the model or name? who hires these guys?

[Maverick223]

Im allways having to point out firearms to the dealers because they dont know the model or name? who hires these guys?Everyone can't be an expert like you. :rolleyes: As long as they don't misrepresent something I have no problems with a dealer/gun shop clerk that doesn't know all of the models of every firearm ever made. Often times I feel we (gun gurus) are too critical of others that work in the industry or the public in general. :)

[Gryffydd]

Everyone can't be an expert like you.
Spending all day in a room full of guns they can sure figure out the model names if they want to.
It's the same with any retail situation. You should learn to at least the names of what you're selling. You don't have to be able to tell me at approximately what serial number a manufacturer made a minor change to a particular model in which year to hand me the gun I ask to see.

[Maverick223]

Spending all day in a room full of guns they can sure figure out the model names if they want to.Sure they should at least have some knowledge of the basic common firearms, but they can't know them all. Don't get me wrong I am a guilty of being bit critical of a less knowledgeable person behind the counter, but I think that often times we are a bit too harsh. When it is misrepresented, or a blatant lie, that is a whole different story. :)

[Gryffydd]

Sure they should at least have some knowledge of the basic common firearms, but they can't know them all.

Who said anything about knowing them all? They should however, know the ones they're selling. You can bet that if I started working in a gun store (or ANY retail store), I'd immediately start familiarizing myself with the products I was selling...because that would be my JOB. Remember, all we're talking about is remembering the names of the guns, not their histories and all their features.

[52grain]

This might not have been a lie, but I was at a local gun shop a month ago and another guy was looking at a nice 20 gauge semi-auto (don't remember the model for sure but it may have been a Browning Silver). Salesman tells the customer that he's actually killed five geese with that very shotgun. Customer asks why he's selling it and the salesman says that it's not actually his, it was a friend's. Friend was getting in years and no longer goes hunting.

It might have been the truth, but I've been around too many salesman of all sorts to believe that one.
Other line I hear a lot is, "I have one just like."

[offroaddiver]

"If we don't charge 10% of what the gun is worth when doing an FFL trade we loose money." I heard that at a gun store last month.... I kindly asked them why they wanted to do such a little mark up on a gun i had bought from someone else? $10-40 is the norm ... FFL on most ar's a few months ago would be $100 easy.

[Tomahawk674]

I built a kit for a black powder revolver that when done by the factory looks like this:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=134981532

And this is what mine looked like:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=453902&highlight=spiller

I took it to the local gun shop to see if they would make an offer (yeah I knew I wasn't going to hear anything good). The owner looks at it for a while and says he won't make an offer on it, and that by deblueing the gun it had lost half it's value. Guy was very rude in the way he spoke too.

Lost half the value? hmm I bought the kit for $200, sold it for $350. Hmmm....

[gun addict]

hey tomakawk, i'm also from Saint Joseph , Missouri, what are the chances.....anyway you would'nt happen to be talking about Dean's gunshop would you?

[Tomahawk674]

Hello Gun addict, in fact I am talking about Dean's. I am sorry to say they have horrible service (have ignored a lot of people I know, and treat them like crap, including ladies) prices and ridiculous, not going in there again. By the way sending you a PM.

[gun addict]

yes unfortunately you're right. Dean's got such a monopoly on this town they could care less about customer service and pricing. They also charge $35 for a transfer. Back then they charged $25 and without telling me they raised the price they charged me $35, needless to say i never used them for transfer again

[David E]

This guy had a shotgun which I saw him pay $200 for. Another guy came along and offered him $300. The guy said, "if I sold it to you for $300, I'd be losing $50 on it".

After the potential buyer walked away, the guy turned to me and said, "it's true". "If I sold it for $300 instead of $350, I would be losing $50".

I hope you said, "Since you didn't sell it for $300, you lost $100, Einstein."

[isthatajoke?]

I had the guy in a pawnshop today tell me that since I'm only 19 and not yet 21 I could not hold, inspect, or purchase a pistol-gripped AR-15 RIFLE (this was definitely a rifle- not an AR pistol. The barrel was 16" long and it had a collapsible buttstock.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was just a blatant lie. I guess because I was young he thought I just wanted to "play around" with it. He didn't think I knew what I was talking about. So I left and put a 12-banger on layaway at a different gun store that was offering a better deal as well as wasn't run by a-holes.

[larry_minn]

I had the guy in a pawnshop today tell me that since I'm only 19 and not yet 21 I could not hold, inspect, or purchase a pistol-gripped AR-15 RIFLE (this was definitely a rifle- not an AR pistol. The barrel was 16" long and it had a collapsible buttstock.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was just a blatant lie. I guess because I was young he thought I just wanted to "play around" with it. He didn't think I knew what I was talking about. So I left and put a 12-banger on layaway at a different gun store that was offering a better deal as well as wasn't run by a-holes.

Might I suggest a couple things. First call the first store and ask for a manager. TELL THEM that you were in market for "xyz" but because the worker refused to let you shop/treated you badly you went to (other store name) and bought what you wanted.

Second (what is a "12-banger"??

[inSight-NEO]

Where do I begin?

In addition, Im constantly amazed (and disgusted) by the lack of knowledge and/or "pride in workmanship" as demonstrated by certain gunsmiths at the local range/gun seller.

[HardShell]

Great thread -- I just finished reading the whole thing.


The best one I ever witnessed was at a gunsmith shop, and was absent any malice or ill intent...

I was in there discussing a custom job with my gunsmith (a great guy and brilliant 'smith who had grown up with my father and who, sadly, is no longer with us -- but back in the day he did ALL of my gun work) and the guy who usually worked the counter for him while he was in back in the shop. An elderly black gentleman came in a sheepishly asked if he could trade in his old .38 for one of those newfangled "snug-nose" revolvers he'd heard so much about. (This 'smith also always had a case full of used guns for sale and the nearest actual "gun shop" was clear across town back then.) He showed us his old gun, which turned out to be a 2" S&W -- old and in need of wiping down, but nothing wrong with it. He said he'd had it for years but thought he might be better of with a "snug-nose."

The other guy and I looked at each other, a bit confused, but the 'smith didn't miss a beat: "I think I can save you a bit of money. Instead of trading, why don't I take yours in the back and just "snug" it down for you, good as a new one?" The gentleman agreed.

The other guy and I were putting all this together, when we started hearing all sorts of banging, clanging, and other LOUD noises coming from the shop -- at that point we could barely keep a straight face.

He brought the gun back out (it was clear all he had done was wipe it down and oil it a bit) and gave it back to its owner. "Snugged down good and tight -- no need for new one!"

When asked how much he was owed, he (assuming, I suppose, that the only ammo the fellow had for it might be old/inappropriate/whatever) said, "I tell you what... just buy a box of this good ammo for that .38 and I'll throw in the gunsmithing for free." (This was totally in character with the kind of guy he was -- one of the reasons I miss him.)

The man left with his newly "snug-nosed" revolver and a fresh box of ammo, completely happy. :D

[HardShell]

Are Triple K magazines "utter garbage", or did the gunshow seller just say that because he didn't have any to sell me, and wanted to steer me to something that he did have on the table?...


Nope -- based upon my experience with many of them over the years, that dealer was not lying to you at all. ;)

[Madcap_Magician]

I was in a gun shop near my house looking at holsters for ccw. Salesman told me that I didnt need one all I had to do was shove it down the front of my pants and cinch up my belt tighter. He also said to wrap a red rubber band around the barrel so if I had to draw on a BG he would think it was a toy and be distracted long enough for me to get a shot off first.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's the best one yet!

[Maverick223]

Im constantly amazed (and disgusted) by the lack of knowledge and/or "pride in workmanship" as demonstrated by certain gunsmiths at the local range/gun seller.I agree, when I was younger I took a rifle in for some scope mounts and when it came back it had PLASTIC mounts on it...needless to say I was not happy about it and have not bought anything else at HYATT'S COIN & GUN located in Charlotte, NC since. Larry Hyatt and his horde of bumbling baffoons (including the smith that butchered the rifle) are theivin' scaremongers.


We need more gunsmiths like the snug-smith above.

----------------------------End of todays rant.----------------------------

[thorazine]

Recent encounter at gun store.

"What is the price on the box of lawman -- nine by nineteen?" I inquire while pointing at the item.

Old timer behind the counter with a nineteen eleven holstered on his hip...

"Nine millimeter -- that will just piss someone off -- you don't want that." he stated.

"Get yourself a forty five -- that will blow someones arm clean off and send them flying ten feet backwards." he added.

(blank stare)

(approximately ten to fifteen seconds pass in utter silence)

"Okay." I respond.

I made another trip around the store (browsing) then left empty handed.

[kda]

A salesman at Dick's convinced me that I should buy the Remington 597 22 LR with Remington scope pre-mounted. He insisted that it shoots well right out of the box and that I would love it.

It shoots 7 inch groups at 25 yards, I'm better with my Glock 19. The 597 forums are full of people buying after market parts in an attempt to solve problems with the hammer, magazine, barrel and other problems. And they are searching for ammo that the rifle "likes". Apparently the 597s are all different and what works in one won't work in another. And that difference is huge as regards group size. This rifle is a poster child for what has happened to American manufacturing and what now passes for "fun" in this country.

Yes, I've had others shoot the rifle with various ammo ... still lousy groups. It is just a pile of junk. What has happened to our country and taking some pride in what we manufacture and how we treat each other?

[Deckard]

Second (what is a "12-banger"?? I was wondering the same thing, found it on Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=12-banger 12 gauge apparently.

[pbearperry]

This gun was only shot by a little old Lady on Sundays after church.:)

[rondog]

I brought a Colt Python in to be sent off for a factory refinish, and after 2 months I went in to check on it, and was told it hadn't came back yet. After a few months went by and I demanded it back, I was told it was lost. Still ongoing battle, but he has offered me 200.00 for it. I guess the small amount of holster burn on the barrel destroyed the value, that is his reason for the small amount. I had it appraised at a gun show and the dealer offered me over 800.00 for it. He swears you can pick up Colt Pythons in good condition from Shotgun News for 2-3 hundred, but he won't get me one for some reason.

Dude! You need to sic the law on that a-hole! If someone did that to me, I'd be calling the nearest ATF office. That's out-and-out theft.

[Deckard]

A salesman at Dick's convinced me that I should buy... I've got no fond memories of Dick's either. A salesman refused to sell me a rifle or ammo because my driver's license didn't have a street address on it. Now I live in a small village that doesn't deliver mail, everyone has to go down to the Post Office and pick it up from their box. The state requires a mailing address on the license and seeing as how I've bought several guns in state with the same ID this guy was definitely full of crap. I don't think I've ever had anyone even ask to see my ID when buying ammo either. I asked to see a manager and the manager backed up his salesman's bogus story. They've lost business from me.

[isthatajoke?]

Ya, I heard the term 12-banger somewhere and decided that it was a pretty cool term for a twelve guage. I just moved into an apartment and was looking for an HD gun. Anyway, I forgot to mention in my original (and first ever) post that the guy at the pawnshop specifically said that the reason I, as a 19 year old, couldn't hold or purchase the rifle was because it had a pistol grip. He then said that it was illegal for me to buy any weapon with a pistol grip. This was in Missouri. (I live about 5 miles from the border of KS and Missouri.) What a load of bull. Pawn shop owners seem like a bunch of rude, lying, thieving dirtbags. Not saying that there aren't good pawn shop owners. Just none that I've ever met.

[Acera]

Pawn shop owners seem like a bunch of rude, lying, thieving dirtbags. Not saying that there aren't good pawn shop owners. Just none that I've ever met.

Come on tell us how you really feel:neener:


Now they even have their own reality show. Lets see if we can get three grown men to argue on camera and make as much money as the OCC guys. At least the episode I saw there were buying guns.................

[busdriver72]

No, God doesn't carry a 1911.
However, on the 8th day He did create them.
He doesn't carry anything.
He has all the lightning bolts He needs at His disposal.

And He never misses.

[Erik M]

I always pictured God carrying a Colt SAA. I was raised in the south though.

[Pack]

I always pictured God carrying a Colt SAA. I was raised in the south though.
In that case, He should be carrying the LeMat revolver he loaned J.E.B. Stewart!

[JWF III]

Now they even have their own reality show. Lets see if we can get three grown men to argue on camera and make as much money as the OCC guys. At least the episode I saw there were buying guns.................

The show I saw the guy bought a 2" Hotchkis (sp?) cannon for $30k. The old man he bought it from had never fired it. The shop owner made him fire it (to make sure it functioned) before the sale was completed. After seeing the smile on the face of the seller after it fired, I thought he was going to crawfish his way out of the deal, and keep it. I know I sure would have. (But then again, I wouldn't have owned it and not shot it.)

Wyman

[Maverick223]

JW, I am pretty sure I could find a whole lot of things to shoot at if I had a cannon. Might even arrange for a few experiments with some old cars. :evil: I would definitely have to get a new reloading press...but I am pretty sure it would be worth it. :D

[LRaccuracy]

Okay, this is the honest to gods truth. I had a gun dealer tell me

"LR, you need another gun."

[Maverick223]

^Lol...had that happen too, they just didn't know no better. :D

[Ranb]

In WA silencers are legal to own, buy and make, but use is banned.

I had a gun dealer tell me that I was at risk for simply having one in WA that had been used. He suggested that I could be arrested because I had a silencer and saying it was used outside of WA would not be an adequate defense.

Ranb

[Acera]

I will be at the Pasadena, TX show on Sunday.

I would bet you that the guy that has the rifles labeled PSL/DRAGUNOV will be there.

(They are obviously PSLs, but you can't argue with the guy. He is not interested, just hoping some one has an idea what Dragunov's cost, but not what they look like to get an easy sale for an inflated price on the rifles.)



If you are at that show, and want to explain to him the difference, here is a chart. Maybe with a few knowledgeable folks calling him out, he will quit trying to rip people off. There are even more differences than these, but you should get the idea, two different guns.


http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w217/bohicaarms/SVD_PSL.jpg

[Deckard]

They are obviously PSLs, but you can't argue with the guy. He is not interested, just hoping some one has an idea what Dragunov's cost, but not what they look like to get an easy sale for an inflated price on the rifles. Its nothing new, I've seen it at a few different gun shows and shops.

[shade_1313]

My local gun dealer knows better than to try to get me to believe a PSL is a Drag, he did the transfer on my SVD. :D

Gun show yesterday, saw a Mosin Nagant 91/30 in pretty decent shape, although the bolt knob on the back was pretty dinged up... tagged as "new, unissued".

Right. Sure. Bye.

[Judicator]

I was in a local bi-Mart the other day, had the sporting goods counter guy tell me that Mini-14s were really accurate guns, just as good as any AR. He went on to say that he wouldn't give a plug nickel for "them Savages, Remingtons, they ain't very accurate", and how his Ruger is the most accurate hunting rifle he owns.

I just smiled and nodded, picked up my ammo, and walked away.

[tango2echo]

Yesterday in a local shop: "They don't make 7mm-08 ammo. That's the same as 7x57 and they quit making that years ago. You must be thinking of the 7 mag."