Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

Ok so a .22 LR will punch through body armor but not out the other side of human tissue? At least it went through both layers of body armor and didnt bounce around inside.
I overheard the co-owner of the new shop in town trying to sell a Taurus pt22 / beretta bobcat over the keltec and taurus single stack 9mm pocket guns. Said that "9mm would punch straight through and wouldnt cause much trauma outside the wound track, but a 22lr, heck that will turn every internal organ they have into swiss cheese after its through bouncing off thier ribcage".

She was having this conversation with a man that recommended leaving the first two chambers on a revolver empty so that an intruder would know he ment business when he dropped the hammer twice before an actual round was fired. Monday before last was truly a day in Bizarro world.

That is surprising, I never would have guessed...still think I will stick to good 'ole 5.56 for the unlikely need to make holes in armor (soft or hard).


As would I. I would never rely upon .22LR for that, but just interesting that it worked.

Ok so a .22 LR will punch through body armor but not out the other side of human tissue? At least it went through both layers of body armor and didnt bounce around inside.

We had no human medium inside of the vest, like ballistics gel or anything similar, it was merely the vest hung on nails in the backstop. So, I really couldn't say what it would do with a human actually inside the vest. On the other hand, the vest we shot with a stump inside of it stopped the .22LR, but not the rifle rounds. .45ACP and 9mm left wicked dents in the stump though.

"Never been fired"

That 1911 fan of a gun seller also told me he wouldnt recomend me getting the S&W 442. Said that I wouldnt enjoy it, that it wasnt acurate. That it was really loud and I would definetely need hearing protection when I shot it. And that it kicked alot. as he steered me toward some 1911's. I told him that I was looking for a conceal carry piece and I read a good reveiw on the S&W chiefs special. He said that they make the 1911 frame in all shapes and sizes. But he highly recomended the 1911 frame. Anyway I bought the 442 snubby against his better judgement and I love it. Although I dont like target shooting with it very much.

Im not saying that that gun store clerk didnt know what he was talking about. He did recomend a really nice gun when I told him that I was looking to purchase my first, a few months earlier. He asked me what I wanted in a gun and I said accuracy, but on the cheap. So he sold me a Ruger mk III 22/45. And that gun was awesome. He told me to start with a .22 till I get the hang of shooting. And that he was a competition shooter and that he still used his ruger mk I to warm up before competing.

This was back in Reno. I think at Sierra firearms. They guy is really great, but maybe a lil biased towards the 1911. Who knows, maybe he is right. Some day I think i just have to try it out. maybe one of my buddies.

I havent shot the gun , is the cliche i hear all the time.

"this mossberg 500(somethingorothermodel) is made so the action is louder to scare off BGs:rolleyes:

Walked in a pawn shop of mostly guitars yesterday and saw a CZ52 in the glass counter. I asked what the story was on it.

"oh its brand new"

The most recent POS place i went to was a pawn shop. Now I'll be honest and say I shouldn't expect any great deals at a pawn shop. I was looking for either a 1911 or 357 to add to my roster of guns. I saw a rossi in the glass case and ask how much would be the best they could do on it. The woman had no clue and went in back to ask the owner. The owner comes back out with the gun... here's when it all starts.

The amount I have on the gun is $429. I'll do 370 plus back ground which is $10. I politely asked how about 350 including the background. oh did he blow up. He started to try and lecture me on how I should go elsewhere and look at their prices (which i was planning already), everyone else is crooks... and that I should have the luck to find a better deal.

now this was a snubbed nose 357 rossi blued. obviously been shot to HE** with cheap ammo. Dirt was coming off from the gun. LOL Didn't even have a case. Went to my usual gun store and bought a 1911, bulk pack of the silicon socks, a cheap red dot, 3 boxes of 45 ammo, 6 magazines, 30 human sized silhouettes, a holster.... only dropped 5 c-notes.

BTW one week later saw a 4-5'' barrel rossi brand new at a sporting goods place with adjustable rear site for 320... which around here means 360 including tax and background.

I had a lady at a gun store tell me, when i asked to see an AK 47, that these were the last AKs they were ever going to get because they were no longer able to get any more from over seas and all the warehouses had dried up. I came back in about six months later and she had a whole new slew of AKs on the wall. I asked her how she was able to get those and reminded her of what she told me before. She went on to explain how she was not sure but she was not questioning it at this point but it still could be the last shipment that they would ever get. It is people like this that really give gun owners a bad name.

I had a lady at a gun store tell me, when i asked to see an AK 47, that these were the last AKs they were ever going to get because they were no longer able to get any more from over seas and all the warehouses had dried up. I came back in about six months later and she had a whole new slew of AKs on the wall. I asked her how she was able to get those and reminded her of what she told me before. She went on to explain how she was not sure but she was not questioning it at this point but it still could be the last shipment that they would ever get. It is people like this that really give gun owners a bad name.

Heard the exact same thing at a local mom-and-pop gun store. Went down the road to a chain, guy behind the counter said they were getting a new truckload in every week. :banghead:

Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.

Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.
Yep I have heard that one before as well. Quite a few times. Last I heard it, it was six months.

I went to my local dealer this weekend to pick up a Sig P239 SAS.
The guy hands me the Sig to look over and doesn't even say a word when he sees me starring and rubbing at all the rust on the slide.
I look at him in the eyes for a second, still no words have been spoken and he says
"oh, thats just surface stains from the oil we use to clean the guns. You can wipe it off when you get home with a Brillo pad."
I just looked at him and said, "where in the wiping off process does the Brillo Pad come in?"
A couple of the guys in the store just smiled and looked away.

Originally Posted by essayons21
Still hearing this one:

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years

:eek:

LMAO never heard that one before.

I sell everything at 10% over my cost.

Obama is making gun manufacturers put a chemical in primers that will make them go dead after a few years.

Ha. I remember hearing something like that back in 1983 or so when music CDs were first coming out - that CDs had something in them that would make them lose the music after a few years, so you'd have to go back and buy all your albums again.

Back to worst lies - "This (cheap knockoff of an Eotech) is just the same as an Eotech, at a third of the price. It's even better, because the sight comes in two colors." Note that as he says this, a button falls of the knockoff...

related

"If you want a scope like an Eotech, you really shouldn't worry about MOA. They're just for when the bad guy is right in front of you"

We had no human medium inside of the vest, like ballistics gel or anything similar, it was merely the vest hung on nails in the backstop. So, I really couldn't say what it would do with a human actually inside the vest. On the other hand, the vest we shot with a stump inside of it stopped the .22LR, but not the rifle rounds. .45ACP and 9mm left wicked dents in the stump though.
vests are designed to work when pressed tightly against a surface, like person's body, or ballistics gel or clay. If it's just hanging against a backstop the results won't be the same as when a person is wearing it.

Got to love sales guys. There are some doozies. This is why I rarely rely on them for info. The problem is a matter of motivation. They are motivated to sell you something not the make your life better or meet your goals.

It is a rare saleman who focuses long term and looks to meet your goals first to make the sale.

SaMx, even when the vest was tightly wrapped around a tree stump, it failed to stop the .22LR from penetrating the vest. Also, if what you are saying is true, Kevlar blankets and panels wouldn't be used, which they are.

B&S guns Dallas TX. 2000.00 for every ar in the store,Oly to anything else, 800 to 1200 for any ak, ammo 2.5 times any other store. This was during the election. I didn't talk to an employee I had been lied to enough.
GOOD STORES:
Ammo Depot, Caddo Mills TX-Kept there prices normal to moderate during that mess
Village Gun and Pawn, Sulphur Springs TX-Had ammo during the whole mess at NORMAL prices, even .380, guns were right on price too.

I comp shop ALOT. I am a lookylou, window shopper, whatever else you wanna call it. sometimes I even buy something.

I was at an indoor range that I used to use because it was close to my work. I no longer use this range because of customer service that is so bad that they must have classes for their employees on how to be so difficult and obnoxous (but that is another story).

Anyway, I notice in their selection of rifles a nice looking custom Rem 700 with an Accuracy International AICS stock on it. I ask to see it and it is a good looking rig, but with a price of $5500:what:. That's roughly full retail for a complete AI rifle. I comment that it is a nice rifle but for that price I would rather get the AI. The salesman then tells me in tone that says I should be in awe that I am holding a "genuine" Accuracy International rifle. I gently correct him by pointing out that it is a Rem 700 receiver and a custom barrel, not an AI receiver or barrel. He then looks at me like I am an idiot and says, "Accuracy International uses Remington receivers, that's what makes their rifles so good, everyone knows that." I tell him he is mistaken, and that AI does make their own receivers. He starts to get visibly upset and asks me where I ever got an idea like that. I tell him, "I personally knew Malcolm Cooper (the president of Accuracy International). I worked for the U.S. importer for several years. I have handled dozens of AI rifles and have shot a couple thousand rounds through AI rifles and this is the first I have ever heard of them using Remington actions:p.

The guy looks at me with a straight face and says, "yeah, they tried making their own actions for awhile but that they never got them to work right so they just buy Remingtons and stamp their name on them." :banghead:

I handed the rifle back and walked out shaking my head.

SaMx, even when the vest was tightly wrapped around a tree stump, it failed to stop the .22LR from penetrating the vest. Also, if what you are saying is true, Kevlar blankets and panels wouldn't be used, which they are.

SaMx is right, in principle. A kevlar vest is basically strands of material with extremely high tensile strength woven very tightly together. A small, high velocity projectile is the toughest to stop, as it has to break less of these strands, and can squeeze between the weave of others. A solid backing aids the strands by keeping the weave properly aligned. You will find that it is more difficult to penetrate a vest with a backing than without.

Kevlar blankets are mainly used to catch frag, usually large, low velocity projectiles. Kevlar panels are reinforced with fiberglass and other composites, which gives them a backing of their own.

SaMx is right, in principle. A kevlar vest is basically strands of material with extremely high tensile strength woven very tightly together. A small, high velocity projectile is the toughest to stop, as it has to break less of these strands, and can squeeze between the weave of others. A solid backing aids the strands by keeping the weave properly aligned. You will find that it is more difficult to penetrate a vest with a backing than without.

Right, it needs a backing, which is inside the vest. My body is not the backing...if you read what he originally posted;
vests are designed to work when pressed tightly against a surface, like person's body, or ballistics gel or clay. If it's just hanging against a backstop the results won't be the same as when a person is wearing it.
He is stating that the vest needs to be wrapped tightly around a body, which would, in fact, loosen the threads (marginally, but still). Backing, I agree with, needing to be wrapped around something tightly, I don't.

I was in a shop this Saturday, and while I was waiting I heard, "These prices are kind of high," followed by, "Yep, the prices on everything keep going up and you'd better move fast before they go higher."

"Small pistol primers are nowhere to be found and that'll be the case for a while."









Oops sorry are we talking about lies? :D

I have two both at Impact Guns in Ogden, UT:

A few years ago I decided I wanted a cheap, fun plinker. I decided on a Yugo SKS and while I didn't want to pay $129 for it (my friend had purchased his SKS years before for $70) I decided it wasn't excessive.

Salesman: "This gun is rated NRA Good, which means it is fully functional buy may not have collector value."
Me: "So if it ISN'T fully functional I can return it for a different one?"
Salesman: "Sure, but it IS fully functional that's how it got the NRA Good rating."

I purchase some ammo, take it to the range, fire one shot and it fails to cycle the next shot. Break it down and find the gas valve is corroded. Find out it's a common problem and you can either purchase a new valve or make a little o-ring. I take it back to the shop and tell them it's not fully functional after all. The same salesman refuses to take it back because they don't take returns on the mil-surp guns like the Yugo SKS and claims he never said they would. All sales are final. If it has any problem take it up with the importer (Century Arms). I called Century Arms and they said I'd have to pay for shipping both ways (which was excessive). I made the homemade o-ring and now it cycles perfectly (although you have to remove the o-ring in order to switch to the integral grenade launcher, no biggie). I was pretty pissed about the whole ordeal and I won't deal with that salesman any more, nor would I ever purchase another gun imported by Century Arms.

2nd Time. About a year ago my father-in-law had some scary near break-ins at his home (people trying to kick in the door while he was home). He decides he wants a gun for protection. My brother-in-law goes to Impact with him. He picks out a generic .38 Special revolver and grabs a box of .38 special ammo. Salesman tells him he'll blow his face of if he uses THAT box of ammo in his gun. My brother-in-law asks if using .38 special ammo in a .38 special is dangerous. The salesman says "That's NOT a .38 special. That's JUST a .38" My BIL asks "A .38 what?" Salesman: "A .38 nothing, it's JUST a .38" At this point my BIL is confused, he's familiar with guns but doesn't consider himself an expert. He buys the gun but no ammo. Brings the gun to me. I can't believe the story as I pick up the gun it's obvious it's a .38 special. What gave it away? It has .38 SPECIAL engraved in large letters right on the barrel. In plain sight. Wow, just wow.

IHe picks out a generic .38 Special revolver and grabs a box of .38 special ammo. Salesman tells him he'll blow his face of if he uses THAT box of ammo in his gun.
Maybe he'd picked up .380 thinking it was 38-special?...or maybe the salesman was confusing the two?

Nope, the salesman tried repeatedly to tell him it was not a .38 special. It is and is quite clearly marked as such.

Normally, Impact Guns is quite good and they do actually have many good sales people. There are only a few that I just won't deal with.

That reminds me. I was talking to a gun associate at BassPro who said he wanted to get a Glock in .40 cal. I told him I had a Glock 22 and he said "those are nice but I would prefer something in .40cal". It was than that I realized he had absolutely no idea what he was talking about when it came to guns. He then starts talking politics and how Obama would not mess with guns because it would start another civil war. I proceeded to remind of Clinton and the AWB and how that did not start another civil war. He said "Oh well that would not affect any of the guns that we sell". I proceeded to explain to him that it most certainly would because almost all the handguns they sold came with magazines that had a larger than 10 round capacity. Not to mention the 10/22s and the Mini 14 that they had on the shelf.

I think whenever you are dealing with a larger distributor you are going to wind up dealing with people that don't have a clue about anything they are trying to sell.

I was told a lie last night at a gun shop on the Illinois side of the St. Louis region when I went in to pick up an SKS.

Me: "I hate cleaning the cosmoline off these rifles."

Salesman: "You want to keep that on as long as you can because it was developed by the Jews to hide guns during the Holocaust."

Me: I should have left it alone as is, but I asked, "How's that?"

Salesman: "It has some chemical isotopes and ions that make it impossible to be seen by xrays and the Nazis would xray houses to find guns." I gave him a dumbfounded look and he went on to say, "I say keep one of these in your floorboard or behind a wall because the Illinois State Police will come to your house to confiscate your guns at midnight when your FOID card expires and they will xray your house to make sure you have no hidden guns."

Me: "Ok, thanks."

And here I thought it was just applied to prevent rust!

Was he wearing a foil hat.

Was he wearing a foil hat.

After that story, I think it had to be a body suit.

Wyman

I sell everything at 10% over my cost.

LOL now i've heard that one a hundred times, but haven't actually believed it once.

You want to keep that on as long as you can because it was developed by the Jews to hide guns during the Holocaust.If that is the case they used it wrong: should have applied it to themselves instead...just sayin'. :o

^ FWIW, that is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Definitely ranks up there with the Hollywood faked moon landing and UFO abductions.

Salesman: "It has some chemical isotopes and ions that make it impossible to be seen by xrays and the Nazis would xray houses to find guns." I gave him a dumbfounded look and he went on to say, "I say keep one of these in your floorboard or behind a wall because the Illinois State Police will come to your house to confiscate your guns at midnight when your FOID card expires and they will xray your house to make sure you have no hidden guns."


Sounds like the general of a 10-man tactical response tin foil birgade. i think you should win a prize for that tale.

i think you should win a prize for that tale.Here ya' go IN>IL...your prize: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/winner.gif

Wasn't a gun store really. Old coot who lives somewhat nearby apparently found the internet and figured he could make some easy money. He called my dad up saying he had some "night vision scopes" for $65, and that if he wanted he'd bring them over. Since I live just a few minutes away, and know a LOT more about guns in general than my dad (my dad has hunted all his life but he's never really been "into" guns themselves), he calls me and asks if I'll meet them over there.

The old guy pulls up and starts his sales pitch. I immediately notice that these "night vision" scopes are, as I expected, illuminated reticle, not night vision. He then starts "Look here - these are precision instruments. This is what the army uses. They ain't made for killing animals - they made for killin people." On he goes "I know about this stuff. Back when I was in the army they was thinkin about sending me for sniper trainin.", and then when he pulls it out he is like "It's got a battery in it. Might be dead. If it is just let me know and I'll gitcha a new one. They've had these things stored away in the warehouse since 'the wars' so you never know.".

As he's talking I've already noticed the Made in China sticker, and have pulled out my iPhone and checked opinions on them online. Yep - cheap chinese junk :). Didn't want to hurt the old guys' feelings, so when my dad looked at me when the guy finished his pitch I just shook my head and he then politely declined to buy one :).

I sell everything at 10% over my cost.
oh, yea we got that one in California too.... to be fair, Wes is a great guy and and active AII proponent to boot

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/

dude in a tiny gun shop out side of tri cities in VA mountains, says "you gotta buy up all the guns and ammo you can with this here obama gettin elected and the new world order gonna start...this here mac-11 ought to do you fine

the funny thing was as pro US and patriotic this guy was...the mac was the only american made gun in the whole store

i left

lol...this guy had clearly lost his marbles

Wasn't a gun store really. Old coot who lives somewhat nearby apparently found the internet and figured he could make some easy money. He called my dad up saying he had some "night vision scopes" for $65, and that if he wanted he'd bring them over. Since I live just a few minutes away, and know a LOT more about guns in general than my dad (my dad has hunted all his life but he's never really been "into" guns themselves), he calls me and asks if I'll meet them over there.

Unfortunately, we were told while we were growing up to respect old people, doctors, police officers, teachers, judges, lawyers, etc. because at one time they were much more honest and ethical which warranted the respect as a whole. These days I carry a much more tentative and reserved "respect" for people in those categories. I've learned they are just like anyone else and they will have their flaws, can be just as unethical, etc.

I don't trust any of them and take what they say with a grain of salt and ALWAYS double check everything they say. Not to be rude, but I've come to the realization that some will use their title or cultural station to take advantage of you.

This became clear to me when I would go to different gun shops back home and get all kinds of BS about how this or that gun is the best, rootin' tootin'est, deer killer, cop killing bullet/gun/insert product of sale. All followed promptly with "I'm a Vet/retired cop/super duper hunter extraordinare/pick a respected relavent position."

It is a damn shame, but it has only happened to me once when I was young. So far anyway!!!

I live in Arizona. We had an ad in the local paper advertising a number of guns including military and "components". A friend went early to look and found them setting up in a three car garage of what appearead to be an empty house. There in front on a table was a dozen or so trigger assembles for an m-14 not an M1 rifle. He looked at those for a minute and then took a better look at the garage. When he spotted the third camera he walked out, after telling everyone in the place he did not appreciate a sting set up. Once in his car he called three of the local retail stores and they started calling others. Took less than 20 minutes and town police chief showed and after looking at the actions asked point blank if those trigger groups could be altered for full auto. He then told them they would show ID or be under arrest for illeagal sales. Two vans came in and loaded all after ID shown and checked. Nothing but a lie from begining to end. If it's too good to be true due to some one else's stupidity, it's probably time to take a reality check and walk away.

blindhari

You want to keep that on as long as you can because it was developed by the Jews to hide guns during the Holocaust. And to think that guy gets to vote!!! That's frightening.........:banghead:

blindhari-so was it a ATF sting? Seems like they were selling FA and not mentioning it? So to someone who didnt know better, like me for example, I could buy it, not even know it, and be arrested?

do i understand that right?

Here ya' go IN>IL...your prize:

Thank you! Thank you! The list of people who were involved in this honor is long. First off, I would like to thank the Illinois State Police...

Avizpls
I certainly thought it was a sting looking for the unwary. This was on a Saturday and a search of county assessor tax roles gave owners address that was traceble to HUD. Biggest tip was probably selector switches were there on table behind guys selling. I heard these folks were gone by 9 am, 1 car, 2 Ford vans white. Best advice I could give anyone, know what your looking at and don't touch before you ask. Me I gave up all military firearms when I got out of the Army. I was an armorer 40 years ago and could take a standard m14 from semi to auto in short order with just a few files. Trick was to do it well enough not to create runaway gun. That is why you should not be able to posess an m14 without proper permits.
I have started using breech loading single shots, an old man's folly and fun

blindhari

The ones you gotta watch are the ones who actually believe the stuff they say...they get this weird look in their eyes...I just say OK and walk off. "Yeah, a waffenamt on a Ivor Johnson topbreak, wild."

That is why you should not be able to posess an m14 without proper permits.


WHAT? Surely that came out wrong...

-Sam

First off, I would like to thank the Illinois State Police...Don't forget to thank Bar-Ray for the high quality X-Ray protective clothing that you have to walk around your house in. :D

Speaking of which, the guy at the aforementioned gun shop seems like the type to wear such attire (lead-lined clothing) all the time...goes great with a stylish tin foil hat. :p

You want to keep that on as long as you can because it was developed by the Jews to hide guns during the Holocaust.

And to think that guy gets to vote!!! That's frightening.

Thats exactly what I thought when I read it and he has a gun too. Sounds like someone with a low I.Q. who easily gets fooled. What party do you think he would favor, Tea party, Republican, or Democrat?

That a .38 Special was more powerful medicine than a .44 Special.

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.


Oh, oh, Flak 88, Flak 88 with Afrika Corps markings on it.:D

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.Luger...make that a Luger chambered in .45ACP. :p

Walther WA2000

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00 which is cost plus 10%…Remember that my cost price also includes cost of shipping and insurance and any handling charges for the item…If I’m at a gun show the cost of transporting the items there—gas, food, lodging and table cost for the period in question is part of my expenses…

So a $100 price from the wholesale may be selling at the gun show for $250 and still be at 10%…Unless you want me to lose money on everything I sell, go out of business, get on welfare and then you'd really be paying for it through the nose...

Or maybe just buy from someone that's willing to write off their cheeseburger and coke as a business expense? Keep your receipts, it should all be tax deductible right?

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00 which is cost plus 10%…Basic mathematics should be a licensing requirement. :banghead:

Basic mathmatics should be a licensing requirement.

No joke! lets see, you take 100 multiply it by 1.1 and Wow! you get 110.

My bro told me the other day that he had the gunsmith replace the FP spring on his 870.
I told him I could have done it free and a spring only cost $4. he said the smith told him it was restricted and only gun smiths could do it or some bc.The worst part was the smith took 2 weeks and charged $70 labour.

Well I can't say it's a lie, but I found out that I had been lied to about guns on a number of occasions. I had a manager at the pawn shop in Porter Texas set me straight on a number of issues today, and I thank him for it.

I was browsing the rifle rack and noticed a M1903 Springfield on the rack with a straight stock, and sights mounted forward of the receiver. Now this would fit in nicely with the 03-A3 I already have. So I asked the clerk about price.

His response of $2,000.00 caught me a little off guard, and I lost a bit of my composure when I asked if he was kidding. Well the manager was there to set me straight and fill me in on this collector piece.

I had not been handed the rifle yet, and I was only able to see it from across the counter and aisle, but did notice the patchy high gloss stock, and the rubber slip on recoil pad, a real classy touch. And more importantly, the 30-06 written in bold letters on the tag.

The manager informed me that this gun was 100% original! Wow, I thought I have never seen one of those in a pawn shop before and asked to look at it. As the clerk was getting the rifle out of the rack, I inquired to the manager about how is this gun different from those that the CMP sells for $500-600??

This is where I learned a lot about the CMP and guns in general I did not know, thanks to this guy. He informed me that the guns you get from the CMP and at gun shows are reproductions!! Thank goodness I now know that, will save me a lot of money in the future. I asked if it had been through an arsenal rebuild, and was told again it was 100% original and in 30-06! 30-06 wow, that was quite unexpected (I had already forgotten that, even with the tag right there)! This gun is something special. 30-06!!:eek:

As I now had this extremely valuable museum quality piece of history in my hand I was able to gaze lovingly at it's finer features. First the gloss finish of the stock is patchy and the surface is rough. Probably because this rifle fought in every war until now, and those MinWax finishes they put on them 100 years ago are supposed to look like that now. The second feature I notice, adding to it's value I am sure is the two tone finish. The receiver has that light browning effect these rifles get as they age on it's smooth surfaces, and the end of the barrel has that gray parkerized finish that is highly desirable. (I never realized that this is what a 100% original is supposed to look like.) I show the clerk the barrel, with a production date in 1944 and let him know that the manager is FOS.

To the clerks credit he asked what I thought it was worth and if I would like the owner to call me when he got in regarding it. I declined, but mentioned I would check back next week. I really want to look at the serial number again, and see if they continue my education.

But I am glad to know those things about gun shows and the CMP. Reproductions who would have thought it.

If you guys want to go appreciate a fine firearm, that is obviously supposed to be in a museum, please stop by and check it out. I am sure the manager will be happy to educate you on the finer points of this old war horse as he did me.

:D

I live in Arizona. We had an ad in the local paper advertising a number of guns including military and "components". A friend went early to look and found them setting up in a three car garage of what appearead to be an empty house. There in front on a table was a dozen or so trigger assembles for an m-14 not an M1 rifle. He looked at those for a minute and then took a better look at the garage. When he spotted the third camera he walked out, after telling everyone in the place he did not appreciate a sting set up. Once in his car he called three of the local retail stores and they started calling others. Took less than 20 minutes and town police chief showed and after looking at the actions asked point blank if those trigger groups could be altered for full auto. He then told them they would show ID or be under arrest for illeagal sales. Two vans came in and loaded all after ID shown and checked. Nothing but a lie from begining to end. If it's too good to be true due to some one else's stupidity, it's probably time to take a reality check and walk away.

blindhari M14 trigger groups is what I think your referring to and they are not illegal if they were alot of people would be in trouble right now. M14 trigger groups are actually quite collectible and are usually wanted to replace commercial SA trigger groups.

Me I gave up all military firearms when I got out of the Army. I was an armorer 40 years ago and could take a standard m14 from semi to auto in short order with just a few files. Trick was to do it well enough not to create runaway gun. That is why you should not be able to posess an m14 without proper permits. Anyone knows a semi auto M1A reciever and or parts can not be made full auto with just a few files or they would be illegal. Also selector switches are totally legal. The M1A receiver is made without the accommodations to be able to install a selector switch.

LeontheProfessional -- Quote:
Basic math[e]matics should be a licensing requirement.

No joke! lets see, you take 100 multiply it by 1.1 and Wow! you get 110.

halfded -- Or maybe just buy from someone that's willing to write off their cheeseburger and coke as a business expense? Keep your receipts, it should all be tax deductible right?

Wow, business advice...thank you very much for letting me know those sage bits of wisdom...I'll let my accountant know immediately...I’ll just go and reprogram my business calculator with the new formula!

Leon -- as stated that is cost plus ten not a 10% mark-up over cost, you don't like the math, talk to the MBAs out there...Let's see what would a 17% mark-up on $376.54 be? Well it isn't $440.55 but ???... It's $453.66!

Halfded -- Write offs are only good against PROFIT...I get a kid to help with the loading and selling and pay him should I not include the cost of those labour expenses into my selling price or am I supposed to eat it? Do I figure the cost of the table charge (rent plus utilities and insurance and security) into my expenses and mark up accordingly or just eat it...

XYZ Store on the other side of the city (150 miles roundtrip) is selling the same gun for $20 less do you drive there? What's the cost of gas and wear and tear on your vehicle? What's your time worth? At 30 MPG that's 5 gallons and at $4 a gallon you broke even except for the 2½ hours it took you to drive there and back...Me I'd have bought it at the other side of town and spend 2½ hours at the range, but then that's me!

Business Math lesson is over and yes, it will be on the test!

as stated that is cost plus ten not a 10% mark-up over cost, you don't like the math, talk to the MBAs out there...Let's see what would a 17% mark-up on $376.54 be? Well it isn't $440.55 but ???... It's $453.66!I understand what you are saying, but I believe you are incorrect. There are two methods for price markup (profit margins): Sales Price Percentage Markup (cost would be 90% of retail price, or 111.11...[ad infinitum]% of cost) and the Cost Of Goods Sold Percentage Markup (retail price is 110% of the cost). The way it was stated (See Post No. 805 for details) was the later method, and would make $10.00 gross profit on a product that cost $100.00.

I don't claim to be a accountant, but I did take economics (though I apparently cannot properly spell "mathematics" I'm pretty good at it).

:)

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00

:eek::eek:

I had the same situation upon return from being stationed in Germany for six years. I had an expired Stateside DL, a military ID card, and a US passport. I was on leave before before heading to my next duty station and Bass Pro in Dallas would not sell to me. For good reason..... a passport does not have an address on it. Although my documents proved my US citizenship, they did not prove my state of residency, and since you can't buy a handgun in a state you are not a resident of (at least not from an FFL holder (FFL to FFL transfers excepted))..... I had to wait until I had established residency in AK before making my gun purchase. Though that was at a retail store with an FFL, not at a gun show.

my $0.02.

$100 x 10% mark-up = $110 (100 x 1.1 = 110)
$100 x 10% margain = $111.11 (100 / .9 = 111.11)

I sure hope you fully explain your math to your customers before you hit the register.

Got to get me one of those left-handed revolvers!


They are made by Charter Arms. If they make their hammerless in LH I'll buy one in a N.Y. minute.

Gun salesman has a pile of FEG PA-63's laying on the table:
GS: "I'm selling these Walthers for a great price!"
Me: "How much?"
GS: "Only $350, and they are made in Hungary!"
Me: "Yes, I know where the PA-63 was made. They're based on the Walther design."
GS: "So I guess you wouldn't be interested in one?"
Me: "Not for more than $175"
GS: "They've never been fired."
Me: "That doesn't make them Walthers."

Where do these guys get off thinking they can just outright lie?!

Thank you jlg. It has been a while since i had economics but I knew something was not right.

Overheard the following exchange at a gun show this past weekend:

Customer: how many rounds should I keep in a magazine?
Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.

While I'm not positive that's a lie it just doesn't sound plausible.

Customer: how many rounds should I keep in a magazine?
Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.Yeah, don't load it all the way...you wouldn't want to have too much. :rolleyes:

i guess i should after dropping the guy with one shot, empty the mag into him to be average. after all if your above average your probably an assassin.

I never let them get that far. I openly tell them their full of s***! and also let them know they just blew a sale...in front of their manager if I can help it.

I'm getting even more blunt as I get older, and they called me blunt in my 20's. I'm just more politely blunt now.

At Cabela's gun counter a few days ago: Clerk was telling us about the Springfield 1911 Gov't model he was holding. Said he owned the exact same one. Said that 1911's have a really heavy, long single-action trigger.

And here I thought it was the other way around.

Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.

While I'm not positive that's a lie it just doesn't sound plausible.

"The 'average' shooting: less than 10 feet, less than 4 seconds, less than 4 rounds, diminished lighting. - “Jim Grover”, G&A 1996

"The 'average' shooting: less than 10 feet, less than 4 seconds, less than 4 rounds, diminished lighting. - “Jim Grover”, G&A 1996I don't put a great deal of faith in anything that comes from a gun rag...but that I will believe. Sounds just about right, and may even be a little conservative on his estimate. :eek:

I luv this thread! i will relate two- when my son & I went to flower mound tx to pick up some halftrack parts he wanted to got to dallas/ft worth bass world to shop for duck calls. we wound upstairs in the "fine gun room". i asked the salesman to look at a 1927 argentine colt & he took it out of the case for me- the phone rang & as he was going to answer i asked him if I could look at the insides- he said sure. In 10 seconds I had it field stripped & laying on a green pad on his desk. He got off the phone & saw that colt disissembled on his desk & turned as white as a clan member at a meeting! he started ranting & waving his arms & running in circles & then left the room. I re- assembled the colt & he came back on a cell phone- looked at the colt & told the other party to "never mind". He went "wheeew!" I thought for a minute yall had disassembled that pistol- it would never fire again if you hadda! It was time to go.
In 1968 I bought my remington nagant at a garage sale. the old guy had several rifles for sale & as i stood there mentaly trying to pool my resources for a volume buy discount the guy asks[in heavy german accent] if i wanted a powerful rifle. i asked how powerful? he said it would shoot through nine men front to back & five side to side. as i was walking home with said powerful rifle i wondered how he would know that.
andy

"The 'average' shooting: less than 10 feet, less than 4 seconds, less than 4 rounds, diminished lighting. - “Jim Grover”, G&A 1996

I've heard the 'rule of threes' from various sources. 3 yards, 3 seconds, 3 rounds. Either sounds about right.

My local place (Shoot Straight in Tampa; unfortunately they have the only nearby range) sucks at pricing. One of the guys mistook my dumbfounded look over the price of a used .22 (Raven, I think) for interest.

"I've had one of those for years, shoot bullseye competitions with it. $240's the lowest you'll find around here."

The older guys know to keep me away from prospective customers, because I'm likely to turn to my friends and announce "$700 for a used PCR? These people are high! I got mine new for $540!" loud enough that every customer and employee--especially the employees!--in that quarter of the store can hear me.

I've done this on a few things now. 3rd-gen S&W's, NAA .22 Mini's ($250 used), SKS's ($550), AR's of varying sorts, 870's ($375 used), a Bubba'd non-matching Mosin Nagant M44 ($285)...

In fact, I rarely see anyone actually buying a gun there, that isn't a competition model, suppressed/supressable, or a Sigma...

I went to a gunshow and seen a 357 S&W I cant recall the model # but I talked to the guy after handling it and asked why the hammer didn't engage when cocked he explained that this particular gun was worn by the canadian mounties and they were made double action only. The price wasn't bad it was around 275 or so. I bought the gun brought it home and disassembled it. Someone didnt do their gunsmith homework, the hammer had been "hand ground" so to speak. So ellett brothers got a call and I got another hammer.

That may actually have been right, sixgun. A lot of law-enforcement agencies had a DA-only requirement, and ended up grinding off the single-action lug on revolvers. Always .38, from what I've seen.

That may actually have been right, sixgun. A lot of law-enforcement agencies had a DA-only requirement, and ended up grinding off the single-action lug on revolvers. Always .38, from what I've seen.

JG sales has a bunch of those for sale right now. I'm pretty sure it was a lawyer type thing that made them do it.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/smith-wesson-model-67-38spl-4in-stainless%2C-dao-very-good-plus-condition/products_id/4120

One Smith & Wesson model 67 stainless steel K-Frame revolver chambered for 38spl. Revolvers have been modified to be Double Action Only to comply with police requirements, but still retain the spur hammer. Will have adjustable sights, and a 4in barrel. In very good plus condition. Grip and sight styles may vary from pictures.

Not me, exactly, but my wife. She was told that Colt has been out of business for 10 years, that no one made the 1911 style pistol anymore anyway, because it was obsolete, but that the obviously neglected series 70 in the case for $1795.00 was a bargain. Oh, and that it wasn't fitting and proper for a woman to own a .45, and that she really should be looking at the more appropriate .380 or 9mm.

Same vein... guy at the Bass Pro Counter told me they didn't carry 1911s because nobody wanted those any more. He said they hardly ever sold the one 1911 they stocked, a (overpriced) Sig, so they didn't see a reason to carry Springers, Kimbers, etc.

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There's either a whole lot of lyin' sacks 'o faeces out there or a whole lot of really dumb sons 'o bitches.

That I was the first.

No really, I was the first buyer at the new store in town.

As unbelieveable as this sounds, every word of it is true. Not too long ago I was with some friends when one of them wantes to show me his new moisin nagant. When he handed it to me he proceded to tell me how it was used in stalingrad to kill hundreds of Germans. I simply say "ok" and let it be. Then he goes on to tell me that it shoots the 7.62 X 51, the same round used in the Ak-47 and the M-16. For ten minutes I tried to explain to him that the Ak shot a 7.62 X 39 and the M-16 shot a 5.56, but he told me that those were "gook" rounds and they could be fired from the rifles, but they might blow up. Eventually I just said "ok, whatever" and I left it at that.

westend, you should look for my post a couple months back where my local pawn shop was selling 7.62x51 labeled as 7.62x54r. Said they knew they coudnt move the surplus .308 ammo but knew that alot of people had bought ammo there for their Mosins. Said that one of the guys that workd there had verified u could fire the 308 ammo from a 91/30 mosis so they diddnt see any safety issue with the false advertising.

Wow! If they were selling .308 at x54r prices I would have bought the place out!

That may actually have been right, sixgun. A lot of law-enforcement agencies had a DA-only requirement, and ended up grinding off the single-action lug on revolvers.

LAPD was known for it years ago. They called them 'neutered.' I guess that sums up the rank & file's opinion of the practice. They didn't want to the coppers to cock the pistol to SA because that might be 'reckless' and cause a 'hair trigger' condition. Same kind of idea that has people passing out over a cocked & locked 1911.

My newest 'story'. 'We can't buy that rifle because the stock is broken and it won't hold up to recoil.' It had a small 1/8" chip in the stock by the bolt. I didn't think .22LR had that much recoil. I sanded it flat, put a drop of stain on it & they bought it the next day.

Deus I didn't know that and I guess I could call in the serial at S&W and see where it was shipped if it was sent to the LE in canada. Thank you for that information just seems like they would order something DA only instead of ruining a perfectly good SA stage on the hammer. of course this is just my opinion.

I pulled out my BOS and the model was a 586 it was a .357 magnum and fixed sights.

Son, this shotgun belonged to George H W Bush.

I was browsing in the gun store the other day and I heard the assistant say to a young couple who were looking to buy a gun for the girl:
"You don't want a 9 mm because they over penetrate."
"Don't try a Sig because if you do you will just fall in love with it and you will have to have it".

I've read through most of these and I gotta say, IMO this one wins. I can't even believe you could come up with this much less actually say it to someone:


I was told a lie last night at a gun shop on the Illinois side of the St. Louis region when I went in to pick up an SKS.

Me: "I hate cleaning the cosmoline off these rifles."

Salesman: "You want to keep that on as long as you can because it was developed by the Jews to hide guns during the Holocaust."

Me: I should have left it alone as is, but I asked, "How's that?"

Salesman: "It has some chemical isotopes and ions that make it impossible to be seen by xrays and the Nazis would xray houses to find guns." I gave him a dumbfounded look and he went on to say, "I say keep one of these in your floorboard or behind a wall because the Illinois State Police will come to your house to confiscate your guns at midnight when your FOID card expires and they will xray your house to make sure you have no hidden guns."

Me: "Ok, thanks."

And here I thought it was just applied to prevent rust!

Hollow points are illegal to own and purchase in Washington.

"You don't want a 9 mm because they over penetrate."
I was at the gun counter at Bass Pro the other night and over heard a clerk talking with a fellow about his first handgun purchase. The guy asked about a 45 and the clerk said "you don't want to buy that because it will penetrate through your walls. You want to go with a smaller caliber like a 9mm or 40 that won't penetrate". I swear, they must hirer some the dumbest people on the planet.

one of the problems is that normal people see these people as experts and believe them.

one of the problems is that normal people see these people as experts and believe them.
Exactly. I hate it when I hear the "well the guy at Bass Pro said..." line.

Back right after Obama got elected and ammo prices were shooting through the roof I had a guy try to convince me that I should by a Glock 45GAP because the ammo was a hair cheaper and easier to find than the 45ACP for my 1911 at the time because not as many people were shooting the 45GAP.

Where I can see his point about not as many people shooting it... I'd have to buy about 5,000 rounds of ammo for the cost savings to make anywhere close to good sense and then I'd be shooting a Glock instead of my 1911. Sorry man, no sale.

I hate it when I hear the "well the guy at Bass Pro said..." line.That reminds me of something "the guy at Bass Pro said" a couple years back (sorry if it is a repeat...but I ain't goin' back and checkin' :p)..."we don't sell any round that will penetrate a bullet-proof vest". My rebuttal: So this .375H&H won't penetrate soft body armor? His response: "Nope, like I said NONE of our ammunition will...not even the .223".

Now that's a knee slapper right there. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/images/graemlins/smilies/general/animal.gif

just seems like they would order something DA only instead of ruining a perfectly good SA stage on the hammer.

It's my understanding that there weren't many (if any) DAO handguns when they started the practice, and they just went to autos by the time there were enough to get good prices on.

A dealer tried to tell me that .38 Special is a higher-velocity round than 9mm--just look at the case capacity!

Heard one tell someone else that a 20 gauge with slugs is a better choice for HD than a 12gauge with 00 shot--it kicked less, and the slugs had too much surface area to penetrate the walls. :eek:

Heard one tell someone else that a 20 gauge with slugs is a better choice for HD than a 12gauge with 00 shot--it kicked less, and the slugs had too much surface area to penetrate the walls.

Lol. If that's the case I'm gonna pony up some cash and get myself a 155mm howitzer from Copper mountain. If a 20ga slug is to big to penetrate walls, a 155mm shell must be better right?

I don't know about outright lies, but general idiocy yeah. Especially at Cabelas.

I've had the 7.62x51 and 7.62x54 switcheroo pulled on me by one of their salesmen when I couldn't find x54 and was told "awww.... don't worry that will work fine, it's the same thing".

I was told that wolf steel cased ammo was "real easy to reload."

Then there was someone working behind their gun counter that wouldn't sell me 45 colt because I didn't have a concealed carry permit and "no one ever made a rifle in .45 colt so you're buying pistol ammo and you aren't allowed to have one".

I think the best was a mid war russian mosin 91/30 that had no finish left at all, no accessories, a badly cracked stock and a bore that looked like a sewer pipe. All that for the totally reasonable price of $325. Apparently being one of 17 million made that a "really rare find friend". So I went down the road a piece and picked up an arsenal refurbed 91/30 with all the extra goodies for $80.

Fortunately most of the local shops are pretty good. There are still a couple of boneheads working in them, but not too bad.

I was told that wolf steel cased ammo was "real easy to reload."I have heard that Wolf is now boxer primed and can be reloaded (though not as much as brass). That said I don't do it myself and probably won't try it.

:)

Was in the shop yesterday and heard this one:


GS guy was showing off one of those foregrips with the quick release button and the tripod pops out at the bottom, you've seen them on ebay and elsewhere. Anyway he's showing them off to a customer with an AR15.

GS Guy: We got a great deal on these from a guy that brought a bunch of them back from Iraq.


Yeah, right...I'm sure somebody brought a bunch of cheap plastic chinese manufactured tripod/grips from Iraq...

I'm not knocking them because they do work just knocking the story.

eah, right...I'm sure somebody brought a bunch of cheap plastic chinese manufactured tripod/grips from Iraq...

I'm not knocking them because they do work just knocking the story.

Not to be rude, but a few guys in my unit brought back a ton of these and similar items. Being tacticool isn't limited to civilian life.

I was trying to get some quiet subsonic loads for my 24" .22 bolt action for silent pest removal. I went in to a local sports store and the ammo was behind the counter. I asked for some .22 sub-sonics. He gave me a funny look and looked around for a while. Then he came up with some CCI Velocitors... "Dont have any sub sonic brand but this is the best stuff".

Um thats ok...

Went in to walmart. Old lady half asleep behind the counter. "I need some 22 subsonics" he reaches behind her back without looking and hands me a couple boxes... "Thank you mam".

Not to be rude, but a few guys in my unit brought back a ton of these and similar items. Being tacticool isn't limited to civilian life.

Ok, I'm interested. How did they get them? From the government? From the Iraqis? Did they then sell them to a local gunshop? If so, why?

Ok, I'm interested. How did they get them? From the government?

Our Brigade bought the foregrip/bipod things for all the soldiers before deployment to Iraq. I hate mine and just keep it in the duffle bag. I can't remmember if I signed a hand reciept for it or not. Units also leave all kinds of crap behind, and lots of it will be destroyed as we pull out. An unscrupulous enterprising supply sergeant could make out like a bandit if he could get the stuff back stateside off the books. Fraud, waste and abuse is always rampant in a war zone unfortunately.

Ok, I'm interested. How did they get them? From the government? From the Iraqis? Did they then sell them to a local gunshop? If so, why?

Those things have an NSN number. They aren't cheap crap, yes they are plastic but they hold up well. Some like them, some hate them. All of our SDMs were issued one, I just brought along one of my Harris bipods.

Most of the stuff like that was RFI or bought with unit funds, with little to no accountability. Most of it ended up in the hands of soldiers when units return.

I'll buy it...I know someone that accidently brought some C-4 (from a training area) back home. Of course it was promptly returned because that is go-to-jail time if busted. Same guy received an ACOG that wasn't properly checked out of inventory (also returned), so I can definitely see how things could get missing.

:)

They aren't cheap crap, yes they are plastic but they hold up well.

Don't get me wrong, I know that they work (I own one as well) but they are cheap...$20-30ish. Perhaps inexpensive is a better word? I just find it highly unlikely that someone would bring "a bunch of them back from Iraq" and sell them to a local gunshop. Much more likely the gun shop ordered a small shipment of them online. Sounds like a gunshop spiel to impress novice customers.

I remember a lot of stuff from the 1st Gulf War that got labeled "Combat Loss" that was unexpectedly found by soldiers when they got home.:rolleyes:

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These are what we were issued. Not cheap or inexpensive. I'm not sure how the $10-20 chinese knockoffs compare, but I suspect there some difference.

hmm....I do remember an unsuspecting Captain that signed for 350 life vests that did not exist. He needed them for a Rhine river crossing. I guess those detatched, short timer, buck Sgts should not be assigned to supply :evil: Some reallyweird things can happen in the supply chains of the US military.

Overheard today, salesman and a gangster-dressed kid ineptly fondling a Walther P22 with a silencer:
"Soooooo, are these things legal?"
"Yup! Legal to own, legal to shoot, just don't get caught."

Today I was looking for some CCI Mini Mags 22LR's but all they had was Fed bulk pack LRN's. The guy behind the counter said you should never shoot the high vilocity rounds because they start to tumble after about 100 feet. So I asked he him if 38 specials where larger bullets than .357 mags. He looked confused.

I got told the other day that a Remington 870 was a better shotgun than the Mossberg because no matter how many rounds the Rem can hold, whether a tactical model or a pure hunting model, 8 shot or 5, the barrels were all interchangeable because the barrel bands were in the exact same place on all the Remington models. No matter how long the magazine tube was.

At a gun show a few years ago, noticed a FrankenFAL on the table. Between the barrel, upper reciever, and lower reciever it had three different finishes.

The dealer saw me looking at it, picked it up and handed it to me. I looked at the stampings and noted that the lower was made at the Indian arms factory, the upper was a metric design(possibly an Imbel), and it had Enfield parts here and there. Dealer spoke up and said, "Genuine British issue". I sat it back down and walked away, never went near his table again.

'Scandium' S&W revolver is "100% pure Scandium".

That's just classic. It would cost more than a Wilson 1911 if that was the case... by far :)

Just for fun I decided to ask the owner of a gun store what he thought of hi point pistols. His response was "I've never had any returns on them."

Well no kidding.. you don't take returns on firearms.

And perhaps my favorite one ever when talking to an employee about Winchester White Box.

"Winchester White box is complete junk. It's basically the ammo they sweep up off the floor at the end of the day, box and sell it."
That's funny.. I've fired about 5000 cartridges and never had a jam, hangfire or misfire.

I also was told "the Savage rifles Walmart sells are cheaper because they're different guns made specially for Walmart by Savage." Guess I'd better stop ordering those 100% reliable insanely accurate Savage rifles from Walmart lol.

"45ACP is a great caliber if you want to shoot somebody and blow a limb off them" was right up there too.

It would cost more than a Wilson 1911 if that was the case... by farSlightly...Pure scandium (well 99.9%) can be had for the low, low price of about $400.00USD/oz. :rolleyes:

"Winchester White box is complete junk. It's basically the ammo they sweep up off the floor at the end of the day, box and sell it.".I sure wish they would sweep up more often...my only problem has been finding some. :D

bump for now, story later

"Its mint! Original finish!" - Stated in the ad for a gun I was interested in. He confirmed it by phone. A reblued gun shows up at my FFL.

This is the best lie I've heard because I fell for it. Got my money back, but not the shipping and handling. A week later the gun is relisted as a mint, original finish gun.

"you need a license to buy sheenguns" (he actually said sheenguns)

i didn't know you could even get a license to buy cocainegu...I mean charliesheenguns...I mean whatever the hell he was talking about...lol

The .50 BMG is so powerful, even if you miss the shockwave will kill your target.

Best one I heard at a Gander Mtn. "7.62x39 and 7.62x54R is the same thing, they are only measured differently. The Russians (the R in 7.62x54R) measure the length of the entire cartidge length. NATO measures only the case length."

Just... wow.

Saw some very nice C&R stuff at a gun shop in Reno and asked the employee if they could ship to my FFL. He was response was "what's an FFL". I left very fast.

Heard a guy at a gun show tell a young man that if he purchased the G17 that it could be "made into a full auto" by buying a few OEM G18 parts and inserting the 33 round mag. He continued saying that it was easy & prospective buyer could do it in his garage in an evening & is perfectly legal since it wasn't sold that way. I watched to see if the guy was going to purchase it on that advice but he walked off. Went back the next day and found out the guy in the booth the day before was the owners brother-in law who filled in for him because of a family emergency. Said the guy was an idiot, but he was the only one he could get on such short notice, since he was a part time employee at the shop & had been certified...what ever that means (maybe an insurance or bond thing). I told him that he was certifiably stupid!!!!

what no "it was only shot by an old lady on sundays" ? :D

Had many a salesman tell me "you wont find it this cheap anywhere else" hahahahahaha!

Biggest lies I've heard are from people running down what I am trying to trade in or sell.

Outright fabrications.

"Buy low and sell high" is a sensible maxim if practiced sensibly. Otherwise, it marks you as a rapacious boob, and word gets around.

"It's not a factory recoil pad. That'll take off of the value." (It was a factory option at the time and very popular. The gun had the pad NIB. I rest my case.)

"That's not a Twelvette. If it was, it'd be worth something." (The early ones just say "Browning.")

"It's just an old double barrel. I'll give you two hundred for it." (Pietro Beretta was rolling in his grave.)

I understand horse trading, but when done to excess it becomes crass and actually harmful to your business. How is it harmful? It goes around, and then it comes around. People--who knows why?--ask me my opinion about guns and gunnery. I tell them not to deal with the guy at the corner of Walk and Don't Walk, or the other guy at Pedestrian Crossing. Drive out of town and deal with someone who wants you back as a repeat customer.

Then the fatal question emerges. The one that tests your own honor and integrity. "These things belonged to my late husband. I don't know anything about them. I always hated the things. What will you give me for them?"

I had a guy at the local fleamarket tell me today that he wanted 465.00 for his cpx-1
9mm, I asked why the cpx was worth so much over msrp. he states "the price of the dollar keeps going down so i double my prices to make up for it." I couldnt even respond i had to just shake my head turn and walk away

A Bubba job Husqvarna 6.5 was a "Swedish Olympic rifle."

Two weeks ago we had another gunsmith tell us that the M16 takes a different type of barrel than an AR15, and that's why they're so hard to find an expensive. :rolleyes:

Oh Really! It didn't do that when I shot it!

At a gun show years ago I bought a Colt Diamondback that was like new for $325.00. I did not have my FFL at that time so the dealer sent it to a dealer who had a gun store.When I went to pick it up the gun store owner told me all Colts were junk and I should trade it for something in his store.

Marlin lever action rifles are becoming more and more popular in Europe, and thus also in Sweden. Once upon a time I was thinking about getting myself a .444 Marlin rifle (somewhat flatter trajectory than the .45-70 and still way, way heavier slug than your average 6.5x55). When in the store I can't find anything Marlin but the guide guns in .45-70. I asked the seller if he had any .444 rifles tucked away somewhere or perhaps if I could order one through him. He went on and told me that Marlin had had a lot of issues with the .444 and that there were cases where the .444 marlin cartridges slid from the chamber down the barrel where the firing pin couldn't reach the primer.

This guy knows very well that he's full of bull<deleted> and he's developing a rumour on Swedish gun forums for being a notorious liar.

one of the problems is that normal people see these people as experts and believe them.

So... What exactly are you saying about all of us?:neener:

Took the slide from my HK USP in to my LGS to have night sights installed. Guy behind the counter says, "Man, you gotta ditch that German junk - they blow up all the time. You need a Glock." Me, "Really, got any pics you can show me?" "Not right now, the internet is down."

I told my bro in law I was looking for a 45 ACP. He offered to sell me his 45 GAP for less than he bought it for to save me from having to waste time at the gun show. Besides.... the GAP is less expensive to shoot......

A customer in Academy Sports was buying 7.62 x 39 ammo. The clerk asked what kind of gun he was using for it. The customer said it was for a Kalashnikov rifle. The clerk asked "what kind of rifle is that?"
I'm sure the customer just didn't want to say AK out loud because of the stigma associated with it.

The Foo:

That story worked.
The panic in early '09 reflected the groups of sheep who decided to just run with the larger herds of sheep.

They preferred to listen to gloom and doom instead of reflecting on the fact that "political capital" is usually carefully spent on major bills in Congress.

They did not understand that "O' was astute enough to learn from Gore's mistake in the 90s.

Panic sells, so when is the next anticipated panic?
Just after the nest pres. election, if peoples' assumptions (as in '08) don't work out as planned?

Tagged for more tasty goodness. :)

"I've got over a hundred rifles at home and this is the most accurate one I've ever shot"

"This is the cheapest deal in town!"

" All the Police in the US are switching over or highly considering switching over to the Taurus PT92"

Me: :/ Why?

"They are more reliable than what they use now, Glock"

*facepalm*

Walk into cabelas and ask about a gas piston for my SKS.

Guy behind the counter: Can you describe what that is? hen said, oh I don't think we have any parts for those. You could just buy a whole new sks for $100, I have one right over here on the shelf. I told him for $100 I would take it . He turns and looks around reaches up grabs a Mosin Nagant. I told him I wanted an SKS and not a Mosin Nagant He then said "I always get the SKS and Mosin Nagant mixed up". I just turned and left

I got one but I gotta sleep so it will make some sort of sense.

Talked to a guy on the phone about a Remington BDL.
He told me it was in excellent condition.Excellent to me
is well ,excellent.Like new to be exact.Drove 60 miles
one way to buy the gun.The gun had to be one of the
first ever BDL's made.The stock was beat up,and barrel
was pitted.I just shook my head.Found out real quick
that some people will tell you anything.On top of that the
guy said he had to get back to his table at a local gun show.
I should have known.No deal was made and I was out gas money
and time.

just hang around the Cabela's gun library. The salesman there would put a used car dealer to shame.
i agree to that

That the Tarus PT22 is as reliable as the Baretta. I was young and made the mistake.

Was at local Gander mountain a couple of years back..saw a US Rifle cal .30 M1 on the used rack behind the counter so i asked to look at it. tagged as a Springfield, (IIRC) $900

Closer exam revealed NO markings on the 'heel' of the receiver, but on the left side was C.A.I.

Op-rod looked like maybe it was warped, so i attempted to open the action, and op-rod dismounted. guy started yelling at me that I Broke the M1..

So I said..this is NOT a Springfiled...this is a very poor Century Arms knockoff of the REAL M1. Only 4 US companies made the real thing..Springfield & Winchester from 1938 to approx 1952, and from 1952 or so to 1958 the were made by Harrington/Richardson and International Harvester. Guy then started telling me that Century Arms was a division/subsidiary of Springfield, and that I.H. NEVER made M1's. ...and that there never was an H&R gun maker.

"LNIB 100rds down the pipe"

Usually means holster wear and 2000rds down the pipe

Rolling back a few years to my youth (ha-ha)-

"Yes son, that is a Colt Python .357 magnum; and it will knock a motor
out of a car"~!

*FootNote- quote from an owner of a "Pawn Shop", in Bessemer, AL
a'bout 1956-57.

"Take out the gas tube, turn in around, and it will fire full auto" :scrutiny:

^Boy that selector switch sure has it's work cut out for it...never knew it was that complex. :p

Was looking at some .45's from the Philippines and was informed the were made on CNC machinery left over from WW2. CNC machinery, WW2, something seemed wrong with the time line there.

jcwit -- Was looking at some .45's from the Philippines and was informed the were made on CNC machinery left over from WW2. CNC machinery, WW2, something seemed wrong with the time line there.

Well, actually, they are partially correct NC machines really are pre WW2 vintage...full CNC didn't happens until the 1960s--think punch cards--since they didn't have computers small enough to attach until later.

CNC Concepts:
http://www.cncci.com/resources/articles/what%20is%20cnc.htm
Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control

not to me, but the guy next to me buying Blazer Al .45 for his 1911.

"1911's are REAL finicky. They don't like to feed sometimes, you might better stick with the brass cased ammunition. We have some for $x.xx more over here."

I think my eyes hit the back of my skull they rolled so hard.

There are some good ones above but this one rates pretty well.

The guy that tried to talk me into coming back to his shop and buy the rifle that had the real special rifling. You know the stuff that is cut both right and left hand. Or he could just do the sale there and then and freight it to me.

"I'm busy now, come back later when I'm not busy" - while there are four people at the counter, all playing poker with a pile of money a foot high in the middle of the counter.

Oh, by the way, one of the guys gambling was a local cop in full uniform. This was in a store that was open during business hours with a glass front and anyone walking by could easily see what was going down.

I thought gambling is illegal!

^Boy that selector switch sure has it's work cut out for it...never knew it was that complex. :p
To make it worst it was an M1 Carbine, not an M2, an M1.....

Dealer at a gun show to me to me who's trying to sell a very good condition M28 Mosin:
I'll give you $75 for it. I've bought 4 just like it already today.

Same dealer to my friend who went there later in the day and was looking at a Ishevsk 91/30:
These are collectors items. I haven't seen one for years, but I''ll let you have this one for only $200

oops.

Just for grins, I brought in an older stainless Ruger Mini 14 GB to one of the local pawn shops to see what kind of trading I could do with it. The side of the receiver is marked "RESTRICTED LAW ENFORCEMENT/GOV'T USE ONLY". Once the guy behind the counter saw that, he freaked out and accused me of owning a fully automatic firearm illegally. He wasn't going to give it back to me until he "called the local authorities to sort it out".

Before things got ugly, the manager came up chuckling and explained the whole AWB thing to him, and apologized to me. At that point I grabbed the Mini back out of his hand, and told the manager to stick that guy on the jewelry counter permanently before he makes an ass out of himself again.

I got told the other day that a Remington 870 was a better shotgun than the Mossberg because no matter how many rounds the Rem can hold, whether a tactical model or a pure hunting model, 8 shot or 5, the barrels were all interchangeable because the barrel bands were in the exact same place on all the Remington models. No matter how long the magazine tube was.

All 870s hold 4 rounds in the magazine, its a matter if they come with an extension installed. The barrels are all interchangable.

I thought gambling is illegal!

Depends on the state and how it's defined. For example here in NJ friends can play for money as long as the "house" doesn't make any money.

"Take out the gas tube, turn in around, and it will fire full auto" [...] To make it worst it was an M1 Carbine, not an M2, an M1.....Ya know, I looked for that fabled "gas tube" on my M1 Carbine, and I had a heck of a time finding it...guess mine was left out at the factory. ;) Crazier yet, it still somehow manages to work...but semi only [...if only I could find a gas tube that fits...]. :D

At a Pine Bluff Arkansas gun show"This guys uncle brought it back from Germany at the end of the war" It was an Iver Johnson 22 made 50 miles up the road in Jacksonville AR in the 80's.

I recently went to my favorite lgs and tried to do a little trading. I have purchased MANY firearms from them over the years. This time I wanted to see about how much they would give me on a Ruger .44 mag carbine that I have. He told me that he would give me two hundred for it. I declined, but I was back in there this week and saw a carbine exactly like mine on sale used for $769. I have decided not to do much business there from now on if I can avoid it. I don't like being taken advantage of.

"Ruger GP100s are getting hard to find, but I have this nice SW 686 for a little more..."

Rural king down the road had 2 GP100s. Same with the other shop across town.

I had a lady at a local gun shop tell me that I needed to buy a springfield xdm because it was the most accurate pistol in history.
I ask her what made it so accurate
She replied " Its got a MATCH grade barrel, its made for shooting matches."

This still makes me mad when I think about it from time to time... I was at Hyatt's in Charlotte NC with a buddy (I never go there on my own accord, I think they're criminals). For those of you who aren't familiar, they claim to be the largest independently owned gun store in America, so you would think they would have a fair amount of buying power and decent prices. Wrong...

My friend was finishing up the paperwork on an LCP and while the salesman and I were waiting I noticed a box of 9mm Winchester white on the shelf priced at $23.99 or somewhere in that range.

Me: "Is that 50 or 100 rounds?"
Salesman: "50"
Me: "Wow, Wal-mart has the 100 round box priced cheaper than that!"
Salesman: "Actually, we have better ammo prices than Wal-mart."
Me: "Apparently not!"

I don't know if he was just an idiot or a crook.
Not only was that a HUGE ripoff, he called ME a liar in the process of HIS lie! Needless to say I have not been back since

Yeah Hyatt's is a racket. I typically patronize Eagle Guns in Concord for most of my firearms purchases, BPS for random & sale items/accessories (though most comes from Midway/Brownell's/other online retailers these days), and Little Hardware for handloading supplies (except for bullets/brass which is mostly MidwayUSA). If you haven't been there already, Eagle is definitely worth the drive, honest folks, fair prices, good selection (and will order anything you want, that they can get their hands on, if they don't have it in stock)...what's not to like?

*Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with any of the above, and get nothing out of the recommendation (save for the good feeling I get from honest folks getting money that dishonest people might otherwise receive).

:)

Heard a gun section employee of a sporting goods store a few days ago tell a customer that they didnt want to buy hollow points for SD, as the air gets in the cavity and slows the bullets down and makes it unstable, on top of the cavity getting clogged with any type of clothing someone may be wearing rendering the bullet useless. While there may be some truth to the clothing clogging bit, that was pretty hard to hear from the employee trying to make a sale.

air gets in the cavity and slows the bullets down and makes it unstableUh-huh, and a boat-tail design isn't as fast because the gunpowder doesn't have as much flat area to push against...right? ...and steel jacketed bullets strip the rifling out of the bore (that's why AKs aren't accurate don'tcha know) too. :rolleyes:

There's plenty more like those...but it's late and I just can't think of 'em ATM...

:)

I just walked in the gunstore and the employee told me I can't buy a firearm, because every immigrant must wait 5 years. :rolleyes: That "5 years" are 90 days.

I went back to that store few months later, then their other employee said If I want to buy a 20" AR-15, I must wait 1 year. (So I just Googled a gun-store, ordered online an AR and they shipped it to me like 2 hours later.) :rolleyes:

One that I heard was that I shouldnt buy a new AR, I should get the FN PS90 that he had for 3500, because the new 5.7 round would enter and exit both sides of the army's new armor with SAPI plates. I told him to open a box of 5.7 and a box of 762 x 51 and I'd be right back. I went to the car got my armor ( I'm in the army) and told him that I would buy it if it was true and it completely penetrated my armor, but if it didn't he would have to give me the gun. For some reason he didn't take the offer. Later that month he was saying that his son was qualifying on the m4 at fort benning at 1000 meters. I called him on it and never shopped there again

Steve32 ...So I just Googled a gun-store, ordered online an AR and they shipped it to me like 2 hours later...
Not likely.:scrutiny:

Handled a really worn S&W Model 39-2 at a gun show...tagged at $375.

Seller looks me in the eye and confides that "It's one of the rare all-steel ones...issued to the SEALs" :rolleyes:

I considered a variety of replies, but finally just said "Nice pistol" and moved on.

Hey Steve32, would you give me the name of that gunstore. I want to order one too. Thx

I bought an 8mm mauser with a peep sight from Cabelas. It was a very good condition for only $180. When I got home, I noticed the bore looked a lot smaller than my nagant's bore. Under the stock it said 6.5x55 swede:evil:! Yet on the reciept it clearly said 8mm! I was annoyed to say the least.

Not told directly to me, but there was a short-lived reality series about a young fellow that worked in a Colorado gun shop, and the "wacky" customer interactions he had.
A customer asked him about the effects of a hit from a .38 vs a .45. He dismissed the .38 and then put a pair of shoes on the counter.
"A hit from a .45 will blow a guy right out of these" with an expression that held no hint of jest or irony...

...So I just Googled a gun-store, ordered online an AR and they shipped it to me like 2 hours later...

Not likely.:scrutiny:
In point of fact, the early ARs now qualify as curio and relics. 2011 minus 50 years = 1961

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

2025 will be 50 years from the end of the Vietnam war; I expect the bottom will drop out of the ARs-as-investment market by then.

Handled a really worn S&W Model 39-2 at a gun show...tagged at $375.

Seller looks me in the eye and confides that "It's one of the rare all-steel ones...issued to the SEALs" :rolleyes:

I considered a variety of replies, but finally just said "Nice pistol" and moved on.

I'm not sure how the "all steel" part factors into the story. Whether "rare" refers to "all steel" or "issued to the SEALs" is up to interpretation. However I found this on Wikipedia

The Smith and Wesson Model 39 was a semi-automatic pistol developed for the US Army service pistol trials of 1954.[1] After the Army abandoned its search for a new pistol, the Model 39 went on the civilian market in 1955 and was the first of Smith & Wesson's first generation semi-automatic pistols. Used by the Illinois State Police and the US Navy SEALs, it was a groundbreaking pistol for use with the military and law-enforcement agencies.[1]

Link to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_39, the footnote references the "Complete Encyclopedia of Pistols and Revolvers"

Take everything with a grain of salt, but remember that just because it's not common knowledge doesn't mean that it isn't true.

My own story:

Perhaps not a lie, but general mis-information. I was at Academy browsing the gun counter. I saw they had the new Remington 1911. I asked to see it. I was asking general questions and generally not trying to display my knowledgle / ignorance.

I was shocked when the person behind the counter told me that it's a double action. Pulling the trigger with the hammer down would cock the hammer and fire the weapon. Of course since it's store policy to not remove the locks from the triggers we couldn't test out his claim.

^"dash two" (-2) indicates a later (second generation) model using an alloy frame.

:)

Tell me I should by an AR, 'cause when TSHTF, The Army and NG's would have parts and ammo laying all over the place'. Like I was going to be the last man standing or something!
i know i'll be the last because i'll be down in the deepest hole diggin' deeper

Talin342: As Maverick223 indicated, a S&W marked "39-2" is, by definition a standard alloy framed semi-auto.

I am very familiar with the 39 series as a 39-2 was the first handgun I ever purchased (some 35 years ago). I've purchased several more over the years and own one today.

The all-steel versions reputedly originally designed for NSW units are expensive & collectible rarities...not junkers priced for a few hundred at a gun show table.

An authentic steel framed specimen would be worth several thousand dollars, like this one... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=232188041

The seller's story was a tall-tale for a sucker...equivalent to handing someone a Ruger Vaquero and declaring it to be "Wyatt Earp's Colt Buntline".

"Wow...Such a collectible piece of S&W history and you are willing to sell it to me (a random customer at a gun show) for a tiny fraction of what it's worth. What a deal! I'll take it!" :rolleyes:

Yeah...I've heard about those DA 1911Rs...they are special issue to... wait for it... SEAL Team 6. :)

Yeah...I've heard about those DA 1911Rs...they are special issue to... wait for it... SEAL Team 6.Who woulda thunk?...I'll have to look for one of those. Lemme guess it is the special model with a backstrap safety (you know how SEALs are prone to fumbling weapons)? :D

I hear about the 'double-action' 1911's every three or four times I look at one at a show.

This is followed by me giving a quick lesson between single- and double-action, and almost every time, they retain that it's double because "you have to perform two actions for the first round", and they just can't figure out why revolvers would have thus regressed in their ease of use...

Here in Gettysburg we used to have the Colt Museum. They were selling repro black powder guns to the tourists as "blank" guns. The museum has been closed for years now.

I bought an 8mm mauser with a peep sight from Cabelas. It was a very good condition for only $180. When I got home, I noticed the bore looked a lot smaller than my nagant's bore. Under the stock it said 6.5x55 swede! Yet on the reciept it clearly said 8mm! I was annoyed to say the least.

Hey, do you want to get all of your money back? I'll pay for the shipping.

In point of fact, the early ARs now qualify as curio and relics. 2011 minus 50 years = 1961

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/curios-relics.html

2025 will be 50 years from the end of the Vietnam war; I expect the bottom will drop out of the ARs-as-investment market by then.

One slight problem...
Those are ALL NFA and NEVER will be sold to the public.

"Price is equivalent to quality."

Tell that to anyone who owns a Hi-Point. ;)

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/training_closeup/sniperschool.htm

Maybe he just got the weapon being used wrong?

Hey, do you want to get all of your money back? I'll pay for the shipping.

Ha, I had the same thought. He got a better shooting rifle, and one that's easier on the shoulder.

Of course, if he really wanted the 8mm, he got burned. Me, I'd rather have the 6.5 Swede.

two come to mind "Its a 9milimeter just like the berretas we had in Nam. " "These holsters are used by Thunder thats the secret service detail that gaurds George Bushes son" This was the younger Bush who had two daughters but no sons. It was years after Vietnam that we adopted the Barretta. Standard issue was of course the 45acp 1911.

I think the best one I heard was "This was Patton's gun." The second would be "This was McArthur's gun." I swear there were about five of each last time I went to an antiuqe gun show.

Then there was the dealer that told me, "I wouldn't buy a lever action 30-30. Those things can't take down a deer past 75 yards. You would be better off with this M1 Carbine." It was a Rockola he had marked at $900.

Had a guy tell me that the Kimber Warrior he was carrying behind the counter was "just like the one he carried when he was running black ops back in the 'Nam." :banghead:

I pesonally carry a 9mm with Golden Sabers 'but I keep two Black Talons at the bottom of the mag in case they're wearing a vest'.

I had a guy at the gun show tell me, "Yeah these Ranger Ts are the new and improved Black Talons. They'll rip body armor to shreds. Cops have to get special permission to use them. That is why they can't be sold to the general public. I could go to jail if I was caught selling them to you."

He then offered to sell me a box of Ranger T in .380 for the low price of $65. Only because I seemed like an upstanding patriot and he was sure I wouldn't "rat."

I just rememberred another great one.

"Don't buy a Bersa .380. Son, you'll have to replace the recoil springs after every 100 rounds. That thing kicks like a mule and beats the parts to death. This Kel Tec is a much softer shooting gun. It'll go for a couple thousand rounds before you need a spring change. "

He was asking the same retail for the Kel Tec as the Bersa. Obviously he was trying to pad the profit margin.

#927 To my FFL dealer.
Fallout Mike - PM sent.

Sorry CZguy, I returned it the day I found out:banghead:. I couldn't afford to shoot it. Cabelas probably still has it. It was pretty though

Sorry CZguy, I returned it the day I found out. I couldn't afford to shoot it. Cabelas probably still has it. It was pretty though[Gulp] Which Cabelas?...I'd be more than happy to start handloading for a new cartridge (a good one too). It's worth it!

:)

The Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana.

Several years ago I had a fellow try to sell me a 7x57 rolling block (1902?) that had a plum/purple colored receiver that you get when trying to blue case-hardening. He claimed it was an old buffalo gun in like-new condition and didn't appreciate one bit my pointing out the obvious. This was a flea market mechant but he couldn't have been that uninformed.

That a 1942 Mosin Nagant was "unissued".

When buying my Sheridan 5mm pneumatic, he said, "Put 8 pumps in it and it's as powerful as a .22." Even at 14 years old, I knew that was BS.

From the now closed Store in Sacramento, California " Get rid of that Swedish Mauser, it's nothing but pot metal."

this sks parts kit is worth more because its got a grenade launcher on it, it worth far more then the russaian version because of that, ill let you have the parts kit for 250

at that point, i walked away, that conversation was an old man trying to sell a chopped up yugo sks to a local store

That the trigger on my Sigma (it was my first gun) wasn't as bad as people said it was :(

That a 1st generation Colt SAA with period carved steerhead pearl grips wan't worth very much anymore because someone put those "fake handles on it".

“Oh, you are interested in a CZ-75? Well we only have one in stock and we don’t get them often. <Leans over the counter and speaks in a lowered voice as he looks around> You see, uh…CZ’s only appeal to shooters that are in the know, people that know a little more than the average gun owner. Shooters, not gun owners. Come on over here and take a look.”


I gave him an A+ for off the cuff brown nosing ability. :)

That a Mosin Nagant is a Mosin Nagant and all are crappy shooters

Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you ?

A thread approaching a thousand postings?

Implying that people get lied to by gun sellers?

The guy at the booth at the gun show told me......never mind. You cynics probably wouldn't believe him.

To Chindoz and Maverick:

Thanks for giving me some background guys. I did't just a brief bit of research on the Mod 32 before I posted. I missed the "-2" referring to alloy. Which of course, makes the seller's story wreak of B.S. Especially to someone in the know who is very familliar with the weapon.

I think that the internet has gone far to both debunk and continue the spread of misinformation that passes along among casual, and even expert, fans of firearms. The past couple of gun shows I've been at I've used the internet to perform quick price checks, comparison reviews, etc to keep myself from falling for some "agressive salesmanship".

Thanks the the backstory Maverick & Chindo. It's was very informative, I like learning about that kinda stuff.

Which reminds me of another story, not a lie, but mis-information held by a newbie.

ME: (admittely trying to show off a bit) Hey do you know what was the first commercially developed smokeless power cartridge? (a: .30-30 Winchester)
Him: (Insert Random Cartridge)
ME: Nah, it's the .30-30 Winchester
Him: Besides that's an obsolete cartridge.
ME: Really?
Him: Well I really don't know much about rifles, I like handguns like that Desert Eagle

Seriously though at least he admitted that he didn't know much.

It just shows how mis-information spreads among the non-informed. In case you couldn't tell I do have a soft spot for the .30-30 and the Winchester 1894.

That a 1942 Mosin Nagant was "unissued".

Now that's classic.

That a 1942 Mosin Nagant was "unissued".
[heavy russian accent]In Soviet Russia, you not issue rifle, rifle issue you.[/heavy russian accent]

Back "in the day" (maybe a year ago) I went to our local "bend-over" sporting goods and asked which of the gun cleaners would be best for corrosive ammunition. At the time, I had done very little research into the matter and wanted a quick solution. The guy promptly told me there is no such thing as corrosive ammunition:eek:. I tried to explain the chemical reactions with the primers and whatnot, but he wouldn't listen.

Second story (not a lie, just a sales gimick):
I go to a gun show, looking like some inexperienced idiot (only 19, wearing a polo) and stop at a booth. I was glancing at a Steyr-Mannlicher carbine as I was interested in them (also, because a few booths down two were for $135 and this one was $199). The guy says, "You can't just look at it, hold it *I take it* think about it, the people who designed and built this are long dead." You could see the "I have a sucker" glint in his eyes:evil:. I promptly asked if any of the en-block clips came with it. He was pretty sheepish after that:D.

Back "in the day" (maybe a year ago) I went to our local "bend-over" sporting goods and asked which of the gun cleaners would be best for corrosive ammunition. At the time, I had done very little research into the matter and wanted a quick solution. The guy promptly told me there is no such thing as corrosive ammunition:eek:. I tried to explain the chemical reactions with the primers and whatnot, but he wouldn't listen.

He sounds like the polar opposite of a guy I met. He preached to me about corrosive ammo like it was going to eat a hole through my floorboard before I got home to shoot it. I had to ask for the ammo 3 times. I finally said that I would sign a waiver...just give me the stinking ammo!?! I literally lol'ed as I walked out because a guy who was walking in asked for the same brand of corrosive ammo.

He preached to me about corrosive ammo like it was going to eat a hole through my floorboard before I got home to shoot it.That one got a chuckle. :D

"Century arms makes one of the finest ak's around..." Walked out shortly there after...

Pawn shop lie and a rant....

The lie first.

Me looking at a 'cute' Heritage .22 revolver. Pawn shop guy, already drinking 16 ounce beers at 3PM... That's got rare wood grips. Don't ever see wood anymore. He then points at the rest of the (8) handguns in the case with polymer grips.

I say 'that's cool' and move on. :p

Later that day I am in Academy Sports. They have the same Heritage revolver new in box. With wood grips! Rare! Wow! And priced $20 -less- than the pawn's used gun. :mad:

Rant....

Ad posted on a gun website...

Title: New M&P .40

Body of ad: Only 100 rounds through the pipe.

Color me confused.... That makes the gun used right? :scrutiny:

Tonight- the old ".223 is designed to maim not kill , 3 guys out of action 2 to carry the injured one blah blah blah" eaten up by a wide eyed doofus who was handing the counter fella his Bushmaster that he took apart and couldn't get back together whilst asking "what's the MOA of my rifle?"

+1 on the sigma trigger! Also had a dealer(shop now closed) tell me that all enfield rifles are .308. I said I'm pretty sure they are mostly .303 british and have heard of some being converted to .308. He then told me there is no such round. I turned around, walked over to their surplus ammo shelf, picked up a box of .303 handed it to him and walked out of the shop.

I had been buying guns and ammo from this shop for years. When I returned a week later the clerk had been fired. The owner had caught him trying to put .308 into a unmolested enfield on the range to prove his point to a different customer. I guess the lesson is if you know nothing about firearms don't work at a gun shop. Also if your a owner don't hire someone if they can't answer a few basic questions about fireams.

I said I'm pretty sure they are mostly .303 british and have heard of some being converted to .308. [...] The owner had caught him trying to put .308 into a unmolested enfield on the range to prove his point to a different customer.There are plenty of Ishapore Enfields that were not "converted", but designed and chambered for the 7.62NATO/.308Win. Doesn't make the clerk any less of an idiot, but as with most misinformation there is a spark of truth.

:)

I wasn't buying a gun, but this plain chapped my ass anyways. I had gotten a 6.8 Rem SPC Ruger Mini I plan to use for antelope hunting and maybe deer. I just so happened to be by my closest Sportsman's Warehouse and figured hell, I'll pick up a sling. All I wanted was a simple black strap of a sling, I just couldn't remember how the sling mounts were on my Mini. No trouble I though, I'll just pick out a sling that I want and take it over to the gun desk, The salesman will grab a Ruger Mini off the rack and I can size things up. I picked out a Butler Creek sling, the type that has the swivel adapters sewn in, not how you can un do it and run it though. I asked the man at the desk to look at one, and why I wanted to look at it. He wouldn't take the time of day to pick one off the rack or even tell me where they were at so I could look at them acrossed the counter. He just told me the real quick 'yeah it will fit perfectly fine speech'. This is where I screwed up and belived him. Got home all excited to put it on, the damn sling mounts wont work the way that they are now. I guess I've got a decent sling in case another one decides to break at least...

The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines:confused:

I went to Walmart, bought the same shotgun, and called the BPS manager and complained. He said the guy behind the counter was a new hire.

Funny thing is the shotgun(870) was $30 less at W-M.

Uncle wanted a .22 hornet and found one that he liked at a gun show. The seller claimed it was a real 'tack driver'. So uncle handed over cash and took it home.

The only way this thing would drive a tack would be if you used the buttstock as a hammer.

I was in the process of relining a Steven's visible loader and uncle thought a rimfire liner would work to fix the rifle. Well, the liner worked fine for my rimfire but it didn't have enough wall for a hornet when chambered. I used solder on my rifle, he used acraglass. I think he should have soldered it in, he might have made it work. The chamber has a dimple and extaction is a bitch.

So now I have this savage rifle in .22 hornet uncle gave me in utter frustration and someday I'm likely going to buy a centerfire liner and fix it just to do it. If I fail, it isn't like I ruined a gun.

Clutch

I over heard a FFL trying to sell a gun to a woman that hated guns and
did not like the recoil of any gun except a .22 .
She did know that a .22 was a small cal.
So the FFL told her that the .22 was the most deadly cal. out there; or why would so many people own them??
FFL even named some cal. that are not as deadly as the .22... .38-.357-.45-9mm etc...

Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid.
John Wayne

The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines

You can buy a gun for a family member *as a gift*. You are not allowed to purchase it for them in their stead. Sorry, but the BPS employee was 100% right in this case.

CSAman The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro Shops wouldn't let me buy a 870 my father had reserved the day earlier for me to pick up.

He said it was the straw law. The straw law says we can buy guns for immediate family members, or something along those lines

I went to Walmart, bought the same shotgun, and called the BPS manager and complained. He said the guy behind the counter was a new hire....
What you describe is a classic example of a straw sale.....one person comes in and identifies the firearm he wants, then another comes in later to purchase the firearm. ATF provides training materials to dealers to watch for this exact situation.

You and the BPS manager need to bone up on ATF regulations.....the new hire did EXACTLY what he should have done.

Immediate family members are not exempted from straw sales.

There are plenty of Ishapore Enfields that were not "converted", but designed and chambered for the 7.62NATO/.308Win. Doesn't make the clerk any less of an idiot, but as with most misinformation there is a spark of truth.

:)
Yes the British, Canadian and Australians all had SMLE .303 British guns converted to 7.52x51mm NATO so he isn't incorrect...See: L39A1, L42A1, Canadian Arsenals (Long Branch) DCRA Conversion Rifle etc.

What the Indians did not do is redesign the rifle, all they did was change the metallurgy of the receiver to Cro-Mag steel to handle the higher pressures, added a different extractor to the bolt face and changed the magazine but the gun is still a SMLE in all dimensions...The barrels were cut to the same dimensions just chambered in a different calibre--same as what happened to the P14 and M17 during WW1!

They had the pattern for 70+ years and the machinery and tooling set up to do it the way they were licensed to...So they only changed the pressure handling ability and a mechanism to handle a non rimmed cartridge and later changed the rear sight...This way they didn't have to spend millions on setting up another factory full of tools for a stop gap rifle until the FAL (that they were also licensed to build) was incorporated and then again these SMLE were designated for Provincial Police usage.

Trust me.

My local gun dealer told me my 1911 race gun isn't worth the $1200 I was asking for it. The base Colt mk4 series 70 was only worth 4-500 bucks and I should lower the price. A sailor on leave with his girlfriend got me to lower my price to $900, because I'm a vet and I was looking after a fellow soldier in my eyes.

So the FFL told her that the .22 was the most deadly cal. out there; or why would so many people own them??

Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber, but a gun is a gun, including a pellet gun, which also causes a number of fatalities every year.

Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber, but a gun is a gun, including a pellet gun, which also causes a number of fatalities every year.

Actually they don't...The statistics are flawed in they have included .22 centerfire rounds into the equation same as the hullabaloo over .50 cal BP rifles being confused for the .50 BMG.

They also have included suicides into the figures which have no bearing on the lethality of the cartridge beyond point blank, touching the temple, distances.

"Actually, he's correct, more people die from .22, in part from lack of respect for the caliber,............." shadow 7d

The FFL wasn't talking sats he was talking "kill - stoping power" preformance to make a sale.

I watched a drunk dude get shot 3 times in the lower abdomen with a .22.
He walked to his car drove home and came back. Beat the crap out of the shooter with a ball bat. Sat down and waited for LEOs and emergency.

Yes he was VERY luckly they didn't play "pinball wizard" in his body.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger. - Friedrich Nietzsche

Yes the British, Canadian and Australians all had SMLE .303 British guns converted to 7.52x51mm NATO so he isn't incorrect...See: L39A1, L42A1, Canadian Arsenals (Long Branch) DCRA Conversion Rifle etc.He said "unmolested" as if all 7.62NATO/.308Win. Enfields were converted...that is absolutely not the case.

What the Indians did not do is redesign the rifle, all they did was change the metallurgy of the receiver to Cro-Mag steel to handle the higher pressures, added a different extractor to the bolt face and changed the magazine but the gun is still a SMLE in all dimensions...The barrels were cut to the same dimensions just chambered in a different calibre--same as what happened to the P14 and M17 during WW1!So they "didn't redesign the rifle" but they changed the metallurgical specifications, changed parts for ones of a different design, and chambered the rifle for a different cartridge? :confused: Exactly what constitutes a re-designed firearm? I suppose that we didn't redesign the Mauser when we miraculously created the Springfield M-1903 either...or does changing the name count for something more? :rolleyes:

From Wiki: The results of the trials that were conducted on the L8 series rifles were mixed, and the British Government and the Ministry of Defence decided not to convert their existing stocks of Lee-Enfield No. 4 rifles to 7.62 mm NATO. Despite this, the British learned from the results of the L8 test program and used them in successfully converting their stocks of No. 4 (T) sniper rifles to 7.62 mm NATO which led to the creation of the L42A1 series sniper rifles

I said I'm pretty sure they are mostly .303 british and have heard of some being converted to .308. [...] The owner had caught him trying to put .308 into a unmolested enfield on the range to prove his point to a different customer.

Take a Long Branch, a Lithgow, a Savage, a PKO, a BSA all in .303 British (7.7x57Rmm) and an older converted Ishapore in .308 (before the sight changes) minus the magazines and with full furniture including bayonets and set them besides each other and then tell me which is which.

Ishapore, in 1962/3 saw what happened to the other Commonwealth country earlier, 1958/61, attempts to convert to 7.62x51 NATO and they didn't change the dimensions of the receiver, just the metallurgy nor did they change the barrel except to make a shorter chamber in it and of course reduce the diameter to .308 from .311.

They used the same blueprints, the same tooling except barrel interior and bolt face but didn't change barrel profile or length or the bolt's length except for the extractor/claws...What they aren't, are conversions but purpose built rifles just using all the same dimensions with a chamber change.

Same thing if you mount a bigger V8 in small V8 Corvette Stingray...It's still a Corvette that just goes a little faster but it isn't a different car.

From Wiki:Which is an outstanding source. :confused: Again, I didn't state that none were converted...only that some (most) were not.

Take a Long Branch, a Lithgow, a Savage, a PKO, a BSA all in .303 British (7.7x57Rmm) and an older converted Ishapore in .308 (before the sight changes) minus the magazines and with full furniture including bayonets and set them besides each other and then tell me which is which.So because one part is difficult to distinguish it hasn't been redesigned. If you believe this one has not been, why don't you point out to me one rifle that has been redesigned?

...and they didn't change the dimensions of the receiver, just the metallurgy nor did they change the barrel except to make a shorter chamber in it and of course reduce the diameter to .308 from .311. [...] They used the same blueprints...Well I suppose you can just swap one for the other shooting .303Brit. or 7.62NATO in either...seeing as how they are the same, including the prints and all. :rolleyes:

Same thing if you mount a bigger V8 in small V8 Corvette Stingray...It's still a Corvette that just goes a little faster but it isn't a different car.Where did I say that it was a completely different rifle...I didn't, it is a variant of the SMLE. I said that the Ishapore Enfield was not converted, which is 100% true. Later I stated that it was redesigned to accommodate the different chambering, which again is 100% true. If the designs (to include the blueprints and specifications) changed, it was redesigned...the designs (including the action, the extractor, the magazine, the barrel, the sights {for nearly all manufactured in 7.62}) did change. This is getting ridiculous.

:)

Mike nice .........I had a guy at the gun show tell me, "Yeah these Ranger Ts are the new and improved Black Talons. They'll rip body armor to shreds. Cops have to get special permission to use them. That is why they can't be sold to the general public. I could go to jail if I was caught selling them to you."



I don't understand where the lie is. They have the same ballistics the copper jac. Forms the same distinct shape and only available to Leo. Is true a friend of mine who is a loc. Cop was told he could not use them in his service side arm by his capt.

Anthony, if you peruse Ammo To Go and SG Ammo it is not uncommon to find surplus Ranger-T ammo for sale. This is for sale to the general public.

There is no law in the my area that prevents civilians from owning any hollow point. It is a rule from Winchester that is selectively enforced at best.

Black Talons nor modern "T" bullets will rip through body armor. I believe Shawn Dodson had a good article about the wound profile of "talon" bullets on his website. Most of the issue of the bullet "ripping" or "cutting" was marketing and media hype. The biggest concern was that doctors might cut themselves on the talon when removing the bullet.

Most police departments don't use them because they have an issue with core and jacket seperation in barriers. In a department that isn't issued the bullet you most likely would be denied the right to use them because they are not department aproved. Many departments issue one type of ammo that must be carried by all officers. Most likely that is why his Cpt. told him no.

Ok, not exactly a lie, but I was in Impact in Ogden today with the new wife, eyeballing pistols, and some of the 'help' came and asked me if I needed help finding anything.

"Yes, do you have a RCBS #3 shall holder?"

He totally gave me the Homer Simpson blink, and asked me; "What the heck is that?" (Even my wife agreed that he asked me in a mocking, condescending tone,)

"It's the shell holder you need to hold casings like .45 acp or 22-250 in a reloading press. Do you have any reloading gear?"

"Oh, um...no."

"Thanks anyway. "

I'm not a gun genius, but it would occur to me that if you work in a gun store, you should at least know what the basic components of reloading ARE.

The beast awakens from its slumber. Happy to see this thread out of hibernation.

:)

"Yeah the thing is basically brand new. I know the guy that owned it. He never even fired the gun."

He must have spent a lot of time manually cycling the slide then. The finish was worn off of the hammer where the slide rubbed it so many times. The top of the chamber had scuff marks from the slide coming back, and the finish around the end of the barrel was discolored from heating. It looked like the thing had been run through a 300 round session and stored.

When I was shopping for my Kimber Pro Carry II I went into Chimo Gun's in Wasilla, AK. I feel no qualms calling them out.
Note: I was only shopping, just checking prices and I asked how much a Kimber Pro Carry II with Night Sights. So he pulls out the Kimber Dealer Book, looks up the item number and starts writing me a bill of sale.
How presumptuous!
He writes, "$979 + $10 tax + shipping $35." That's $1024.
I said, "Excuse me, is that the blue version?"
"They don't make the blued version with night sights," and continues to write the bill of sale.
I said, "No, I want the blued version with night sights."
He looked and me and yelled, and I mean seriously yelled, "IT DOESN'T EXIST!"
A patron who had just purchased something and was leaving said, "I have a Kimber Pro Carry II that is blued with night sights right from the factory."
Gundealer looks through the books again. "Oh yeah. There it is. It'll take 6-8 weeks to get here, that fast shipping since I'm a Kimber Master Dealer."
I said, "Actually, at that price, I'll look around."
Gundealer said, "Fine! You won't find it anywhere else in town! No one but me can get you that pistol and it's impossible to find it cheaper!"

One week later I had a brand new Kimber Pro Carry II with factory night sights from Gunbroker for $870 SHIPPED and TRANSFER FEE!

Because of his lies, neither I nor anyone I know will shop there.

I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.

" It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate"

FWIW, according to the Springfield Armory website, the XDm has a match grade barrel, and even uses the stylized M in XDm to denote that.
http://www.the-m-factor.com/html/technology.html

I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.

Ummmm....he would be correct. I don't know what's worse, a GS owner giving misinformation or someone accusing him of giving misinformation when he hasn't. Do your homework before making false claims.

Want to see another good one ? Go to Gunbroker, and see how many Star 1911 pistols you can find. Maybe it's just me..... but I dont recall many Star parts interchanging with 1911 pistols.

I was in a local shop last week looking at rifles when this guy came in looking at handguns. He asked to see one of the XDm's and the guy behind the counter asked him if he knew what the M meant when he handed the firearm to him. He said "No" the guy behind the counter went on to tell him that " It means match target barrel. That pistol there is hella accurate" I had to leave cause it took everything I had to keep from laughing , I Still find it funny a week later.
I would educate you but two others already have. The XDM is equipped with a match grade barrel and in my experience is a very worthy target pistol. My XDM .40 is very accurate and is an excellent handgun. The "M" in XDM is specifically a designation for the match grade barrel.