Ah, simple solutions to the vexing gun problem...(barf)


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September 30, 2003, 07:10 AM
http://www.ccchronicle.com/back/2003-09-29/opinions4.html

Right-to-carry laws conceal guns, facts

By Eric W. Alexy
Copy Editor

After a recent override in Missouri legislature, the state is set to see its right-to-carry laws go into effect Oct. 11. Those wanting to carry a gun in Missouri must clear a background check, take a training course, pay $100 and be at least 23 years of age. Individuals with recent felonies, certain misdemeanors and/or mental disabilities are ineligible.

The most common argument heard from right-to-carry proponents is that guns are necessary for self-defense purposes. After all, murderers, rapists and robbers all seem to have guns, so let's even the playing field, they say.

In a perfect world, guns would be used only for self-defense. In reality, however, guns get into the wrong hands, and people do bad things with them … very bad things, in fact. People who should never be able to own a gun in the first place occasionally slip through the cracks.

Under House Bill No. 349, those with permits will be able to bring their guns into public buildings-that is, buildings that don't post signs saying you can't bring guns into their facilities. (Shouldn't it be the other way around?) While you can't bring guns into government buildings, courthouses and police stations, according to the bill, stadiums with fewer than 5,000 seats are just fine.

That is where the newly enacted law oversteps self-defense into the territory of insanity.

It's understandable that one would want to have a gun in their home to fend off would-be intruders, but permitting guns into little league baseball games (assuming the game isn't at a school or church, two other no-goes) and the local Kmart store lacks common sense, if not humanity.

A drunken brawl at a baseball game ensues over an ump's call. At what point do you draw your gun in fear that the other guy will use his first? Same goes with road rage. A simple scuffle can take on a life of its own when (almost) anyone can carry a gun. As the saying goes, "kill or be killed."

The bottom line is that guns kill a lot more people than they save. How many gun deaths would there be if guns didn't exist at all? Or if mere possession of a gun landed someone a lengthy jail sentence? It would probably deter a lot of people from carrying guns, that's for sure.

Logic is absent on many of the stats given on the National Rifle Association's Website, www.nra.org. One header on the site reads: "more right to carry states, less crime." However, it seems hard to believe that having more people with guns would deter crime. After all, if guns are permitted in cars and in houses, they're all the more easily accessible for criminals, children and people in general who shouldn't have them in the first place.

The gun may help you when it's by your side, but who's to stop someone from taking it when left unattended? And who's to say the bad guy wouldn't somehow take the gun from you when you did try to use it?

How many stolen guns are used every year to commit crimes? Lots. School shootings in Flint, Mich., and Springfield, Ore. occurred with weapons that were easily stolen. How many murders would have never happened if guns were much more difficult to obtain than they are right now?

Perhaps if everyone in America was of stable mind and temper, this wouldn't be an issue. But as long as bad guys exist-as long as bad guys have guns, which will be as long as they can steal them or buy them-people will feel the need to defend themselves with guns.

Starting at the root of the problem, it would seem reasonable to get rid of all the guns currently in circulation, not permit the production of more of them.

The problem with guns seems to be the same as tobacco, booze and any other killer of thousands that makes billions: If it makes money, the likelihood of common sense taking precedence over dollar signs is close to nil, thus negating any chance of a nationwide ban on firearms ever happening.

Odds are that if all guns were slowly eliminated-banned, melted down, whatever-the problem with people dying from guns would eventually go away.

Eventually, cops wouldn't even need to carry guns. If guns were completely illegal, it would be a lot easier to tell which guy with a gun under the seat of his car or in his pants' pocket in line at the grocery store is a criminal: all of them.

:barf:

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Mark Tyson
September 30, 2003, 07:21 AM
Ugh. The author believes that your average man is a mindless, homicidal bufoon who cannot be trusted to make important decisions.

BamBam
September 30, 2003, 07:48 AM
A drunken brawl at a baseball game ensues over an ump's call. At what point do you draw your gun in fear that the other guy will use his first?
Hardly a game goes by without this happening in CCW states.

greyhound
September 30, 2003, 07:53 AM
It's understandable that one would want to have a gun in their home to fend off would-be intruders

Starting at the root of the problem, it would seem reasonable to get rid of all the guns currently in circulation, not permit the production of more of them.

Okay, chum, which is it? (My guess is he votes for the latter). Then he also pulls out the old tried and true:

Same goes with road rage. A simple scuffle can take on a life of its own when (almost) anyone can carry a gun. As the saying goes, "kill or be killed."

Then:

The bottom line is that guns kill a lot more people than they save

Say, pal, any stats to back that up? (of course not, just that its the general leftist mantra.)

Can we be sure this article wasn't already printed, say 5 months ago in Minnesota?

Futo Inu
September 30, 2003, 09:32 AM
Ahhh, ye olde "blissninny projection fallacy" of logic: *I* would shoot someone over a scuffle or road rage, in all likelihood, and therefore so would all the other citizens if they had guns. He needs to see a headshrink to figure out that not all people - if fact most people - are not as unstable as him.

"And who's to say the bad guy wouldn't somehow take the gun from you when you did try to use it? "

Me, that's who.

cslinger
September 30, 2003, 09:44 AM
I personally like the "How many gun deaths would there be if guns didn't exist?" line. Well duh none. But how many deaths would there be? Me thinks the number wouldn't exactly drastically change one way or another. We humans are an adaptable lot and reasonably capable of finding other ways to murder and maim if need be.

Do these people not look at the other states with CCWs? I mean, last time I checked blood wasn't exactly running in the streets here. Now when I was in Baltimore and DC it was a whole different story......ooops I forgot they can't have guns there.

TheEgg
September 30, 2003, 10:16 AM
First:

It's understandable that one would want to have a gun in their home to fend off would-be intruders

Then:

After all,if guns are permitted in cars and in houses , they're all the more easily accessible for criminals, children and people in general who shouldn't have them in the first place.

True colors showing through -- all guns should be banned everywhere. After all X number of people killed by guns is just too horrible to contemplate, but the same number of people killed by baseball bat is just fine and dandy.

Here is a novel thought -- how about CRIME control instead of INANIMATE OBJECT control.

:banghead:

ReadyontheRight
September 30, 2003, 12:02 PM
"And who's to say the bad guy wouldn't somehow take the gun from you when you did try to use it? "

Me, that's who

You know -- the guy with the gun!

I'll never understand the argument that a person who would take away your gun by force somehow is not violent until you point a gun at them.

I can only think that it makes sense to someone who has never shot a gun and who sees a gun as some sort of magic wand. "I have the gun, so I'm invinicible ----- oops, now you have the gun. I guess I should have learned how it works!"

C.R.Sam
September 30, 2003, 12:16 PM
The author speaks of his beliefs.
With no regard to historically proven facts.

If he even believes what he is writing.

Sounds much like most politicians and other criminals.

Sam

Bartholomew Roberts
September 30, 2003, 12:28 PM
I like the piece - the author doesn't talk about "sporting purposes" "gun safety legislation" or other nonsense codewords - he tells you exactly what he wants:

No drinking
No smoking
Anybody who owns a gun is a criminal

If all the antis were so honest we wouldn't have a debate about gun control, people would just treat them the same way they treat any other wack job extremist.

foghornl
September 30, 2003, 12:32 PM
If the author of this tripe ever gets his (her?) way, and all guns simply go Poof! and no longer exist, I sincerely hope that the Criminal Elements of Society will visit him (her?) FIRST, if only to just properly give them a hearty "Thank You!" for making their lives so much safer and easier.

TarpleyG
September 30, 2003, 01:40 PM
A drunken brawl at a baseball game ensues over an ump's call. At what point do you draw your gun in fear that the other guy will use his first? Same goes with road rage. A simple scuffle can take on a life of its own when (almost) anyone can carry a gun. As the saying goes, "kill or be killed."
Ahhh! The rhetoric of the blissninny. The old "blood in the streets" routine again. I am tired. MUST...GET...SLEEP.

GT

chas_martel
September 30, 2003, 02:18 PM
Bam Bam,

Ya know, I always wondered if the idiot that tried to jump all over me at one of my sons soccer games last season would of had an "accident of the bowels" had he known about Mr. Glock on my side?

Funny thing is, he was made at me for him jumping onto the field in the middle of play and intercepting the ball for HIS goalie!

You should have seen him, screaming, red in the face, throwing his arms
around in a tantrum.....................................

This was in Texas by the way..............


Best I can figure, the guy was new to Texas...................

Monkeyleg
September 30, 2003, 06:16 PM
"Little league games." How many editorials in how many states have used those words?

These reporters may claim to be unbiased, but the only way that they can all use the same words is if they're reading from a Brady Bunch press release.

Standing Wolf
September 30, 2003, 10:04 PM
It's understandable that one would want to have a gun in their home to fend off would-be intruders, but permitting guns into little league baseball games (assuming the game isn't at a school or church, two other no-goes) and the local Kmart store lacks common sense, if not humanity.

I guess one's life is worth defending only at home, according to leftist extremists.

Hand_Rifle_Guy
October 1, 2003, 10:13 AM
I guess one's life is worth defending only at home, according to leftist extremists.

Incorrect. Leftist extremists value the criminal's life over their/your own. Our lives simply are not worth defending.

When faced with a criminal, they would suggest you just lie back and enjoy it.

;):D;)

Cellar Dweller
October 2, 2003, 01:00 AM
The gun may help you when it's by your side, but who's to stop someone from taking it when left unattended?
So he's inadvertently advancing the argument for CCW EVERYWHERE, he just don't know it :evil: May be the only logical thought here!

And who's to say the bad guy wouldn't somehow take the gun from you when you did try to use it?
Well, the converse thought says I should be able to take the bad guy's gun from him if I was unarmed. Well, if he doesn't intend to use it, I suppose I could, but I'm not volunteering to try this theory. Hmm, how come more victims don't disarm their attackers if it is so darn easy to take a gun away? :scrutiny: Must be a Magic Law that only works for Certified Bad Guystm .

4570Rick
October 2, 2003, 01:26 AM
Go to the URL and check out the pinhead author, then flood the guy's e-mail at chronicle@colum.edu .
















I wonder what he'll think when confronted with the facts?:confused: :neener:

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