Remington 700 Sendero......Opinions?


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cmiller36
January 31, 2009, 10:15 PM
I've got my eye on Remington 700 Sendero chambered in a 7mm mag. Pretty set on the caliber, but I was wondering about this as an all around gun. Probably 50% hunting (deer, pig, elk, antelope) and the other 50 at the range. Would like to be able to shoot 1000 yards. I've heard the Sendero can get pretty heavy if you have to carry it for a while. My other thought is to go with the SPS and upgrade with the extra $ saved. Is it six one way and half dozen the other? Opinions? Thanks.

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MAX100
January 31, 2009, 10:37 PM
Nice, accurate and heavy for hunting. The Remington 700 SPS Tactical heavy 20" barrel in 308 would be lighter.


GC

Horsemany
January 31, 2009, 11:21 PM
I have a Sendero SF II in 7RM and it's probably my favorite rifle. It's almost useless as a hunting rifle IMO. But it sure is fun on the bench. It's way too big, heavy, and the stock geometry is wrong for field shooting. Mine's got a Jewell trigger but even with the XMark trigger it's shoot 162gr Amax's under 1/2" consistently. I've shot groups in the .2's with it.

It's more of a specialty/novelty gun for me. A heavy barrel isn't necessary for hunting anything other than prairie dogs IMO.

doctorxring
January 31, 2009, 11:23 PM
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I have nothing but good things to say about these rifles.
They come "ready to go" for a long range rifle. Superb
barrels and excellent stocks. The 7 Mag is a super long
range cartridge with outstanding ballistics.

These are some groups that a friend of mine shot with his
7 Mag Sendero. 200 yards. 162 grain A-Max.


Error on pic --


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Horsemany
January 31, 2009, 11:34 PM
doctorxring

You know that's not a Sendero in the picture? It's a 700P more than likely in 308. I have the exact same rifle with the same scope and mounts(if those are Badger Ordnance Max 50's) and it's the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. It's a true "one-holer" at 100 yds with Amax's. I turned the XMark trigger down to 2lbs. on that one.

feets
February 1, 2009, 01:48 AM
I love my Sendero but don't tote it around the field. It's kinda heavy for a hiking companion.
Mine has a Remington Custom Shop muzzle brake. They recut the chamber and faced the barrel under warranty while it was there (sticking brass).
The stock trigger was tweaked for a 3 lb pull with zero creep and zero over travel. That's a 5 minute job with no permanent alterations.
Mine is an older varaint (mid 1990s) in 300 WM.

Here's a few 5 shot 100 yard groups with 190 SMKs. The pictures are larger than actual size. Note the 1/4" scale grid.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/15/l_a627c5e24e284875bd92dc4d156deacf.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/16/l_1ee9416451cf46e7894cd7ed0abefd2d.jpg

And the "hero" 3 shot group at 100 yards:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/52/l_2e6980d1c5d54e3ca0338fc65cc20371.jpg


Here's the culprit along with the ever-present 1/2" orange smiley face targets:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92030&d=1233464922


You just gotta love targets that are mocking you when you miss them. It feels good to drill 'em right between the eyes. :D

JimmAr
February 1, 2009, 11:26 AM
I have one that ive loaded for.. it is a very amazing rifle in 300wm..

Max OAL ive found in mine was 3.510--

Pet load.. usually shoots .3 and .4

175gr SMK
3.495 OAL
70.1gr H4350
Fed 215mag Prim

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2241/sendero300wmwu3.jpg

Ill note this is not my rifle or my shooting but inspired me to create the loading you see above.. and it works wonders in my Sendero shoots close to the image you see above but not quite a one hole punch.

LTR shooter
February 1, 2009, 12:22 PM
doctorxring

You know that's not a Sendero in the picture? It's a 700P more than likely in 308.

Correct , since that same exact pic appears in this review:

http://www.snipercentral.com/remspsv.htm

Mel of Sniper Central tested a .308 SPS Varmint in both the plastic stock and a HS Precision stock and the distance is listed as 100 yards not 200.

doctorxring
February 1, 2009, 01:20 PM
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You are stone correct here. I got my files mixed up. I'll get
a pic up of that Sendero in 7 Mag. Both have similar profiles
to that SPS/SuperSniperscope from that rifle. Crap ! What a ****** moment.

thanks ! dxr

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doctorxring
February 1, 2009, 01:26 PM
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Lawman
February 1, 2009, 02:07 PM
Senderos are excellent and very accurate as you can see from the previous postings. My 300 Win Mag shoots 1/2 MOA with 180 GR Nosler Ballistic Tips. Heavy. Yes. But if you want or need accuracy you will get used to the weight. Millions of GI's carried a Garand that weighs as much as a scoped Sendero.

Horsemany
February 1, 2009, 02:47 PM
But if you want or need accuracy you will get used to the weight. Millions of GI's carried a Garand that weighs as much as a scoped Sendero.

Good point Lawman. I never looked at it that way before. Good 1st post. Welcome to THR.

jerkface11
February 1, 2009, 02:58 PM
I don't even like Remington 700's but the Sendero is too awesome to not want one.

Peter M. Eick
February 1, 2009, 05:46 PM
Reliable, accurate, heavy. That is all I can say about my 25-06 Sendero.

I like it a lot!

ken22250
February 1, 2009, 08:30 PM
very acurate, quite heavy, basically a super-sized varmint rifle, if you are talking about a 7rem mag i wouldnt shoot to 1000yards with it, a 7 ultra mag i would consider it, a good gun if you are beanfield/strip mine hunting.
ken

tango2echo
February 1, 2009, 08:43 PM
Good rifle....not stunning. Owned one in .300WM for F-class. I now shoot a Savage. Heavy for the field.

T2E

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 2, 2009, 04:13 PM
I special ordered a 7mm sendero.. i know this shoots amazing at 100 but what about 200+ yards?

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 2, 2009, 04:25 PM
also what shoots better at 250+ 7mm mag or ultra mag? thanks for all the help

Horsemany
February 2, 2009, 07:28 PM
7mm Ultra is a little too much of a good thing IMO. Either Rem Mag or Ultra Mag will be impressive out to 1000yds. My Sendero SFII in 7Rem Mag will shoot around 1" to 1 1/2" @300yds using Hornady 162gr. Amax's.

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 2, 2009, 07:54 PM
Awesome.. ill go with the 7rem mag than.. imma mainly use it for deer.. thanks for the help. and ammo type

Scott23
February 2, 2009, 07:58 PM
I've got a Sendero, which started as a .308 but, now has a blue printed 700 action, Shillian 26" barrel, Shillian trigger, chambered in .250 Savage. Great shooting rifle. Pretty heavy, surely not something I would want to carry around all day. For shooting chucks off the portable bench or at the range, I'ts hard to beat. I would recommend getting one.

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 2, 2009, 08:40 PM
I do not and will not target shoot except to sight the guin in.. i am a deer hunter and will use this gun for deer coyotes and antthing else that moves close enought to shoot. the weight does not bother me becasue i either sit or drive around.. i am more interested in how it shot at 250-500 yards

ShunZu
February 2, 2009, 09:04 PM
The Sendero in .300WM is the "star" rifle in my first novel.... And throughout the 2nd and 3rd in the trilogy it's still putting the hurt to the bad guys at extreme ranges.

My Sendero is better than I can hold on a bench... 4 inch 5-shot groups consistently at 600 yards. I don't have any place to shoot further than that, although I -did- take a coyote on a bean stubble field 4 years ago that was well over 800 yards. Call it a lucky shot. :) At 200 yards, the proverbial 1 raggedy hole is a quite regular. 62 grains of IMR 4350 behind a 200 grain Sierra Matchking BTHP, Winchester mag rifle primer, new Winchester brass is WAY below its max but it's the harmonics the rifle likes... and that coyote had no idea the bullet was moving a couple hundred FPS slower than the normal magnum load. :) And the barrel will last longer at those velocities.

For my money, with a safe full of very accurate rifles and over 40 years of competitive shooting under my belt, the Sendero IMHO is #1 for out-of-the-box accuracy. They ARE heavy.. I wouldn't want to lug mine through the Colorado Rockies Elk hunting, nor would I want to walk more than few miles with it slung on my shoulder. But I'd put it at the top of the list for production rifles that perform for the dollars required to own them. I have 3 custom-built rifles (in .308, .30/06 and .243) that EACH cost over $2K and NOT ONE performs consistently better than my out-of-the-box Sendero. Bully for Remington for building an accurate, affordable piece.

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 2, 2009, 09:40 PM
Hey Shunzu thanks for the write up.. I think u sold me on the sendero. i am thinkin about puttin a leupold vIII 6.5-20x40 on it. what you guys have on ur rifles that it didnt come with out of the box? pics too please thanks in advance

Horsemany
February 2, 2009, 10:25 PM
That Leupold would be a good choice. Are you looking at the LR 30mm version or 1" tube? If you're looking at the 30mm Long Range version I'd jump up to the 50mm objective. I prefer 1" on my hunting rigs. 30mm for competition is how I've been doing it. If you truly plan on shooting long distance it may be beneficial to go with the 30mm because it has nearly double the adjustment range.

Talley rings(original style with separate base) are my favorite for 1" scopes. Burris Signature's with the nylon inserts are excellent too. If you're into the tactical look Leupold MK4 or Badger Ordnance bases and rings are hard to beat. Let me know if you need Badger's I've got some like new that I think I won't be needing anymore. 20MOA rail(short action) and Max 50 rings.

ShunZu
February 3, 2009, 08:41 AM
Horsemany is right... that Leupold would be a good choice.

I have an (old school) Redfield LE-12 with the dual reticles for range finding - LE=Law Enforcement -- (discussion of it here: http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50794 ) but in the novel a Leupold MK IV ER/T is the scope on the Sendero. I'd definately recommend a 30MM tube rather than a 1" simply for light gathering capability.

I'll get out the digi camera this morning and snap a pic of the rig. Unfortunately, it's a camera my daughter broke the rear display screen on and of course gave BACK to Dad for Christmas. :) It doesn't take indoor pics very well, but I'll give it a shot or two.

ShunZu
February 4, 2009, 10:11 AM
The photography won't win any awards, but here she is. :)

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/ShunZu/DSCN1929.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/ShunZu/DSCN1928.jpg

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 4, 2009, 11:38 PM
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My sendero 7mm ultra mag
leupold vx-III 6.5-20x40mm flip up caps and 4in sunshade
Harris 6-9in bipod

hey guy above me where did u get ur front cap? mine screws in but it hits the barrel.. any suggestions

THERIDDLER07SMS
February 5, 2009, 01:34 AM
Also what brand of ammo would u suggest for the 7mm ultra mag? only brand i can find that sells it is Remington even then waht kind.. i found reviews on the sirocco that were prety good. any help would be much appreciated.. im hoprully hittin range tomorrow.. will post pics than

JimmAr
February 5, 2009, 02:05 AM
Also what brand of ammo would u suggest for the 7mm ultra mag? only brand i can find that sells it is Remington even then waht kind.. i found reviews on the sirocco that were prety good. any help would be much appreciated.. im hoprully hittin range tomorrow.. will post pics than

You should reload your own.. otherwise Remington is the only ammo manufacture for any of the ultra mags..

ShunZu
February 5, 2009, 01:10 PM
Mine's in .300WM. Quick-deploy caps lens caps came with the LE-12 Redfield. You might try Butler Creek's caps... have them on a couple pieces and they work well.

SimpleIsGood229
February 5, 2009, 08:52 PM
Senderos are excellent and very accurate as you can see from the previous postings. My 300 Win Mag shoots 1/2 MOA with 180 GR Nosler Ballistic Tips. Heavy. Yes. But if you want or need accuracy you will get used to the weight. Millions of GI's carried a Garand that weighs as much as a scoped Sendero.Welcome to THR!

Excellent point, but I'll point out that the Garand is way better balanced than the Sendero is. Balance makes a big difference in perceived weight.

1858
February 5, 2009, 09:05 PM
ShunZu, that looks like an Accuracy International bipod you have there on your Sendero with a "trick" adapter.

:)

huntershooter
February 6, 2009, 07:28 AM
My .25/06 Sendero will shoot 1.5" @ 300 yds. (.5 minute).
I view it a "fixed position" rifle. I would NOT carry it all day still hunting.

ShunZu
February 6, 2009, 08:30 AM
ShunZu, that looks like an Accuracy International bipod you have there on your Sendero with a "trick" adapter.

Excellent eyes you have. :) You're absolutely right. Easy on / easy off and VERY well made. Nice when you need that few inches of extra room in the safe, or when the gun case is slightly too small on the way to the range. Left-right tilt and swivel. I still have a piece with a Harris on it... and I cuss it regularly on the range or when coyote hunting because it lacks those features.

RonellCooper
May 17, 2009, 08:41 AM
For what ever reason I swore I would never have anything to do with magnums. That is until I went to the range with a bud of mine and launched a few projectiles with his 7mm rem mag. Two weeks later it was mine! I agree with everyone else. Its a heavy rifle but man is it accurate. Told a guy via a post that i shot MOA at 100 yards and he called me a liar. Didn't argue with him. Figured he'd never put one to his shoulder.

Ridgerunner665
May 17, 2009, 08:44 AM
I had one of the first Senderos...back in 2000 or so.

It was a 25-06...accurate, but too long for hunting. I have an SPS Tactical in 308, I consider it a much better option for hunting.

DRYHUMOR
May 17, 2009, 01:57 PM
Well, I sold off my M70 Laredo (sniff), and then this beauty came along and caught my eye :evil:.

Ten years old, and 15 rds through it. As soon as my hay pasture is cut, I'll run a few rounds through it myself.

thatkid82
May 21, 2009, 05:55 AM
This is The SF II model but the standard Sendero's are nice too.

Pro's
Accurate
Powerful (300 REM Ultra mag)
Well made
HS Precision stock is awesome

Con's
Heavy
Would have preferred a two stage trigger instead of the X-Mark trigger (never really got used to it)

airbornemb
September 21, 2010, 07:50 AM
it will get you aout to 1000 meters of course so will most hunting rifles if you know how to use a balistic chart and do the math but yes it is a heavy rifle and is long

airbornemb
September 21, 2010, 08:01 AM
i have a remington sendero sf II and have a bipod, leopould 8.5x25x scope and besides a muzzle break i dont know what else i can do i like the factory trigger and am accurate out to 1000 meters with it any one have any suggestions on any tuning i might wanna do the only complaint i have is the bruises i get after a good day of shooting but i can live with that

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