[trigger45]

22 lr
.22 mag
.45 acp
12ga.
.243 win
6.5x55 swede
8x57js mauser
what can't I hunt?

[son of a gun]

It would be nice to know what animals you can't hunt with each type of round.

[Ed]

I'd wait on polar bear and elephants, but thats just me.:D

[TallPine]

Unicorns and dragons

[son of a gun]

TallPine
Unicorns and dragons

http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/edoom/Wizard.gif
Unicorns and dragons are hunted with the wizzards wand

[priv8ter]

Snipes?:D

[son of a gun]

trigger45
what can't i hunt? which rifle is next?
22 lr
.22 mag
.45 acp
12ga.
.243 win
6.5x55 swede
8x57js mauser
what can't I hunt?

I'm a little confused about your topic do you mean "what can't i hunt? " meaning animals or the type of firearm or cartridge your not allowed to hunt with ?

[Dr.Rob]

8 by 57 gets you into elk country, but it's light for moose in my opinion.

[Sunray]

"...8 by 57 gets you into elk country, but it's light for moose in my opinion..." Nonsense. It'll drop any moose in North America with no problem at all. It's about the same velocities as a .303 Brit and there have been an lot of moose taken with it.
With that selection, you set to hunt nearly anything. Maybe not big bears though, but with a good handload your 8mm should do for that too. Although it wouldn't be on top of my list of bear cartridges.

[ShaiVong]

Commercial airliners and satilites. You need a 50BMG for that.:neener:

[Black Snowman]

For dangerous game I wouldn't want to have anything less than my .340 Weatherby and would be happy with all that I could get. Need to save up for that Sebru group buy ;)

[No4Mk1*]

8mm JS should work fine for anything in the Americas. Just don't buy ammo designed by lawyers.

.30-06 - 180 grains @ 2700f/s=2915fpe
7.92x57JS - 196 grain @ 2589f/s = 2916fpe (S&B)
.303 - 180 grain @ 2460f/s= 2420fpe

[H&Hhunter]

From a pratical standpoint you've pretty well got it covered. I'm not even going to go into the big bear subject as I find that there are several people who feel that anything larger than .22LR is to much for bears and I really don't want to go there again. As they never have (hunted costal browns that is).

From a legal stand point you are not covered for African dangerous game. The minimum caliber requirement is .375 and up.
Yes there have been many Buff Elephant and others killed with smaller rounds I'm just giving you the view of various international game departments.
For North America You've pretty well got it covered.

[trigger45]

Have I got every game animal on the face of the planet covered. or do I need another rifle?

[H&Hhunter]

AHHHH... the rifle rationalization question...:D

Yes you are very much undergunned for the thick skinned dangerous game animals of Africa you need a minimum of a .375H&H or a .416Rem or Rigby. and you need it now!!!

And if you plan on hunting Elephant in the thick jess I would recomend a .458 Lott at a minimum. Perferably however you should look into some type off heavy double rifle in the .450#2 N.E. class or heavier.

Hope that helps you to justify that next purchase.;)

[HankL]

Trigger, You have enough for any game animal on earth if you do your part in stalking and shot placement but you are going to need to be pretty darn good at it. As H&H and son of a gun have mentioned there are minimum caliber requirements set by governments and some hunting guides as well.
Trigger, you do need another rifle just which one? You can't have too many! A 416 Rigby would get you into African dangerous game as well as being helpful when hunting the big bears in North America.
Then again, there is that question of the 12 ga. Does it have screw in chokes for differing needs? We may need to get you some more shotguns while we are at it. Upland, waterfowl passing or decoyed, deer, turkey?
Man you need a bunch of new guns. ;)

[son of a gun]

trigger45
Have I got every game animal on the face of the planet covered. or do I need another rifle?

Understood;)

[Dr.Rob]

I'm sure a lot of moose have fallen to the 30-30 as well. I'd just prefer a heavier bullet, having seen a few bull moose up close.

I always figured a 30-06/220 round nose @ 2500 fps would do the trick, but then I couldn't justify buying a .375 H&H now could I? (that's 300gr at 2500-2700fps)

Of course I could just borrow a 45-70 from my dad.

As I understand it the 7x57 is not the 8x57.. and the 7x57 is about the equivalent of the 308 (say 2500fps) with a better BC, more or less a long skinny bullet that is prone to yaw as it impacts on a target. Neat for poodle shooting/white tail and thin skinned bipedal hairless apes, but not so desirable on bigger critters. 8 by 57 only gets cooking up to 2350 or so fps, if I read my load data correctly.

300 H&H... that's a moose killer. 300 winmag, ditto. .375 H&H is insurance.

[Brian Dale]

Let me throw in my vote for the .470 Capstick. I just like the sound of the name, as I liked the the stories that its namesake wrote. 'Course, there are a lot of African calibers that call adventure to mind. For example, the words, ".416 Rigby" or "(.anything) Nitro Express" quicken the pulse. Buy a bottle of aspirin.

I'm with HankL on the 12 ga. How many flavors of shotguns do you have now? Be the first on your block to collect 'em all!

[Moparmike]

You only need one rifle for rifle game: .700 Nitro Express. From Aardvarks to Zebras, Bull Moose to Yaks, Chiggers to Squirrels, it will do it.:D :rolleyes: :D

From a friend of mine, a 3.5 Mag loaded with #8 shot will do wonders for squirrels and trees.:rolleyes: :D

[tex_n_cal]

You can't hunt anything during archery or blackpowder seasons:evil:

[Futo Inu]

"thin skinned bipedal hairless apes"

Wow - lol - that's a very specific type of primate hunt, and probably illegal - 'less you're talking bout self-defense. :)

Wait just a cotton-pickin minute here: If I take a .30-06, .300 WinMag, or .338 WinMag to Africa, some governments there wouldn't let me hunt with them? Or just not certain game? What about Kudu? Cape Buffalo? .338 Win Mag not allowed - must have .375 + ??

And you DEFINITELY do NOT have it covered - you need another rifle. ;)

[Bostonterrier97]

You need a 375 H&H Magnum..then you can hunt Alaskan Brown Bear..or zip over to Africa..and go on a safari.

[Brian Dale]

The question you asked was:do I need another rifle? Who cares? Do you want another rifle? Yes, you do. Now you can take the information you're getting here and use it as you decide which additional rifle(s) you want to add first. :D

I apologize for not having noticed this earlier. ;)

[H&Hhunter]

Wait just a cotton-pickin minute here: If I take a .30-06, .300 WinMag, or .338 WinMag to Africa, some governments there wouldn't let me hunt with them? Or just not certain game? What about Kudu? Cape Buffalo? .338 Win Mag not allowed - must have .375 + ??

Futo.

You can use any rifle you wish on non-dangerous game such as Kudu. Your PH (hunting guide) may however not allow certain calibers to be used in his concesion. A 30-06 or some such is a great non-dangerous starting point.

For dangerous game Which include Buffalo, Elephant, Rhino, Hippo, and in some countries Lion. There is a .375 diameter minimum for hunting. The .375 law was ment to mean a .375H&H or more powerfull rifle when it was written.

The .338 while more powerfull in some of it's current offerings than a .375H&H as well as some of the hotter .358's are not allowed.

As far as Croc and leapord you can shoot them with what ever you please.

Remeber when it comes to heavy thick skinned dangerous game, bullet shock is for naught it has nearly no effect what so ever on big game. In the big game world it's bullet diameter and weight that counts because penetration is king.

That's where the .375 diameter law came from. And it was written a long time before premium quality bullets were available. Also you're more likely to get stuffed statistically using .375 on dangerous game than any of the larger calibers. So maybe there is some method to the maddness...:confused:

In any case I'm not writting this to give anyone a lesson on African game laws I'm just trying to help poor Trigger out and make sure he can justify his next gun purchase..Trigger needs more guns!!!

I have three African rifles
A .375H&H Model 70
A .458 Lott Model 70
A .470 N.E. Searcy Double Ejector Box Lock

When I'm hunting dangerous game in africa I always bring the .375 and one of the heavies. That way depending on the country I'm hunting I've got it covered for close quarters dangerous game and plains game as well with the scoped .375. And if one of my heavies gets kurlunktified I can use the .375 for the dangerous stuff.

If you've ever been with in 20 feet of a P.O.ed elephant in the tall grass I guarentiee all the Walter Darmimple Bell 7X57 stuff will will leave your mind and body faster than you can say USE ENOUGH GUN.

I've been there before and the .458Lott I was carrying suddenly felt like your little sisters daisy B.B. gun..:eek:

[Black Dragon]

HEY, HEY, HEY ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

No one better be hunting Dragons around here ! ! ! !

We shoot back ! ! !

Remember, soft spoken and slow to anger. Until you real tick us off and then watch out!:D

Hunting Dragons:what:

[Jaywalker]

I'd say you're missing a bunch of rifles - 270, 30-06, 260, and so forth. Suppose you're out hunting with your favorite rifle and you lose all - ALL - of your cartridges down a deep - Moria deep - ravine. You'll have to walk on over to the nearest ammo store and say, "Please fill 'er up" to people who don't speak metric. Your .243 will only carry you so far.

Or suppose it's just too much trouble to remember how far your 6.5 or your 8 drop with different loads.

Clearly you need a different rifle for every possible situation. Now, I myself only have one, but I have admitted that that's a sickness and the good people here at THR are working me through my illness. I expect to have a lot more, very soon. All you have to do is fight the "versatility" aspect and embrace the "tailor made for X" aspect, and you too can have a many, many rifles, guilt-free.

Rifle owners arise! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Sorry. I got excited.

Jaywalker

[Futo Inu]

"Also you're more likely to get stuffed statistically using .375 on dangerous game than any of the larger calibers."

OK, "get stuffed" = good thing? I.e. your game gets stuffed. Or, YOU get stuffed when game kills you, laughing at your pea-shooter? (I think you meant the former, but want to be sure).

Regarding a good .375, do you think the .375 Dakota has any significant advantages over the .375H&H, other than 100-200 fps, such as better feeding reliability, as touted by Dakota?

"If you've ever been with in 20 feet of a P.O.ed elephant in the tall grass I guarentiee all the Walter Darmimple Bell 7X57 stuff will will leave your mind and body faster than you can say USE ENOUGH GUN.

I've been there before and the .458Lott I was carrying suddenly felt like your little sisters daisy B.B. gun"

Good point - yikes!

Do you have back-up irons on your .375 in case you need to take off the scope and use it for CQEB (close quarters elephant battle)?

[H&Hhunter]

OK, "get stuffed" = good thing? I.e. your game gets stuffed. Or, YOU get stuffed when game kills you, laughing at your pea-shooter?

Futo,
Get stuffed as in stuffed into a body bag. .375H&H users statistically have the largest number of accident with Buffalo. Of course this is probably due to the fact that it is used more often than any other rifle. It isn't my first choice as a buffalo gun in TIGHT COVER but I wouldn't hesitate to use it under any circumsatnces if the need arose.

Regarding a good .375, do you think the .375 Dakota has any significant advantages over the .375H&H, other than 100-200 fps, such as better feeding reliability, as touted by Dakota?

I recomend the .375H&H for one reason and one reason only. Ammo availability. You can buy .375H&H ammo anywhere in Africa or just about anywhere else. I'm sorry to report that .375 Dakota or Weatherby or Ultra mag cannot be found anywhere on the dark continent. So if your ammo gets lost on the flight over you are screwed....
And as far as feeding I've never had a feeding problem with any Mauser actioned .375H&H and that's with several thousand rounds fed.

Do you have back-up irons on your .375 in case you need to take off the scope and use it for CQEB (close quarters elephant battle)?

Yes I do and I use weaver style bases and rings for quick removal. I have used my .375 with a scope in the morning and iron sighted that very same afternoon after my PH's CZ in .458 Lott went T.U. He used my .375 with iron sights as a back up gun untill we could fix the feeding problem on his CZ several days later.

(He had bent the extractor lip on his rifle somehow and it wouldn't pick up rounds from the magazine.)

[Jaywalker]

H&Hhunter:(He had bent the extractor lip on his rifle somehow and it wouldn't pick up rounds from the magazine.) I've read recently about about Mauser ejectors being damaged from excessive chambering practice with live rounds - that is, feeding and extracting/ejecting without firing. Apparently, the unfired round is enough heavier to deform the standing ejector. Perhaps this is an aspect of that phenomenon.

Jaywalker

[H&Hhunter]

Could be Jay.

I've never heard of that happening and I'm glad you mentioned it. A Ph's rifle is constantly being chambered and unchambered with live rounds while getting in and out of the truck all day long, day after day.

[Black Snowman]

Well, do you don't have a harpoon for large marine mammels. They're considered fair game in many parts of the world. :neener:

If you're just looking to justify some purchases there's an easier way to do this. Tell us what you want, and we'll tell you why you need it :D

[Jaywalker]

Regarding the Mauser's standing ejector, I had at first hesitated in posting the info - not because I didn't believe it, but because I'd found it in such an excellent article online that I assumed everyone was already aware of it. Since that wasn't the case, I thought its own thread was the appropriate place to put it, so find that article here. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42943)

Jaywalker

[Brian Dale]

I assumed everyone was already aware of it That's a very kind assessment of everyone's breadth of knowledge. Unfortunately, now that I'm here ;) , it's no longer possible to assume that all of the enthusiastic shooters have even the important pieces of knowledge that you do. Even some of us with some gray in our hair learn a whole lot on this board. One of the delightful things I've found at THR is that some things that have puzzled me for a long time are solved problems for other folks that I meet here, and they share their wisdom.

I'm not suggesting that you write specifically with me in mind. :D

But I'm one who won't be insulted when you give links to well written pieces, be they concise or comprehensive. Thanks!

[Badger Arms]

If you ever plan on going to Africa, I'd get a 375 H&H. If you plan on staying in the States, It is my belief that there's a hole in your collection that only a 338 can fill.

As for hunting Moose with the 8mm, I always enjoy lesser-48 opinions on the matter. Funny how many Canadians and Alaskans feel just fine with the likes of a 30/30, 8mm, 270, or even 308. A properly placed shot after a healthy stalk will put the animal down just as quickly as a 50 BMG will and you'll have less ruined meat to deal with.

The reason for the step up to .338, because other animals hunt Moose and an agitated Brownie might not give up after a poke with a 30/30. I remember caping a Grizzly's paws while my friend told me the story of how he took it. He was hunting with the only gun he owns, a 30-06. His friend shot their moose with a 270. While they gutted, quartered, and packed the moose out, a Grizzly wandered in and took possession of what was left. Their last trip in to get the antlers, they found that the bear had smashed the antlers and attempted to bury the carcas. They both hid out for about six hours, the bear came along, and Troy shot it with is 30-06. That was the only time I can recall him EVER wishing he had a bigger gun... as the bear came crashing through the tree line about 30 yards away.

[trigger45]

will a 7 mag or .270 fill the hole cause of ammo avaliblity? I'm not going to africa.

[Art Eatman]

Looking at your original list, the 7mm Maggie beats out the .270 because the latter isn't that much different from the 6.5 you already have.

:), Art