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hinton03
February 2, 2009, 01:26 PM
I have a friend that is extremely liberal and we have some interesting conversations about politics. Once he was referencing something said by another conservative he knew and at the end he said "you would like this guy, he is a gun nut like you".

I am sure he didn't mean it as insulting, but it seems to be a moniker that liberal anti gunners place on any person owning a fire arm, for any purpose.

I have noticed that the gun owners in this, and many other forums also refer to themselves as "Gun Nuts".

Just woindering how others see this term; personally, I prefer to use a term that doesn't support the anti gun community agenda. I am not willing to make an issue of it when a anti gun activist calls me a gun nut, they can kiss my ass if they don't like it, but it seems a little like poking ouseleves in the eye with a sharp stick when we use it.

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expvideo
February 2, 2009, 01:33 PM
Just call him a commie. If he has a problem with that term painting him with an extremist brush, then explain that you don't appreciate him using the term "gun nut" as it paints you with the same brush.

Justin
February 2, 2009, 01:35 PM
"Gun Nut" is a term that was originally pejorative, but has since been ironically co-opted by the shooting community.

Sniper X
February 2, 2009, 01:43 PM
That tops the list of biased, prejudiced terms for "us" by the liberal media and populace.

Gun Nut
Redneck clinging to his guns
Mouth breathing gun freak
thet almost always bring up the comparason of having a physical problem to gun owners calling any gun a penis enlargement tool too.
You'll notice they always also refer to anything more than two guns as an Arsenal.
It's the libearls know nothing's who say those things so I disregaurd it all.

ThrottleJockey
February 2, 2009, 01:43 PM
I wear it as a badge of honor!

CoRoMo
February 2, 2009, 01:48 PM
"Gun Nut" is a term that was originally pejorative, but has since been ironically co-opted by the shooting community.

I agree.
In college, I read an essay by Gloria Naylor titled 'The Meaning of a word' and it describes the same basic notion of taking ownership of a derogatory label and making it a badge of pride.

Still Too Many Choices!?
February 2, 2009, 01:53 PM
It's like the,"N" word now... It was originally meant as an insult, and now is used ubiquitously through out the hip hop community; and is only an insult dependant on the inflection, or connotation...

Doesn't make it right, it just is...

Still Too Many Choices!?

zoom6zoom
February 2, 2009, 01:57 PM
Turnabout's fair play. Just keep calling him a "socialist whackjob".

expvideo
February 2, 2009, 01:59 PM
Kind of reminds me of "redneck". It's offensive to say unless you are one. Unfortunately, most people don't realize that. I'm not one for a PC society, but if you're going to call me a redneck, you'd better be one.

Like I said. Call him a commie. If he gets upset, then tell him that if he doesn't want you to make uninformed comments about his ideology, he shouldn't make uninformed comments about yours.

hinton03
February 2, 2009, 02:00 PM
This guy uses it to my face and he is a friend, I am sure he doesn't mean it as insulting to me personally, but I am also sure he uses it in a derogatory manner when referring to the gun movement politically.

My guess is he figures if we call ourselves gun nuts why can't he.

P.S. I had to look up the meaning of pejorative. :-)

expvideo
February 2, 2009, 02:02 PM
My guess is he figures if we call ourselves gun nuts why can't he.
See the "N" word.

NG VI
February 2, 2009, 02:03 PM
Turnabout's fair play. Just keep calling him a "socialist whackjob".

This guy uses it to my face and he is a friend, I am sure he doesn't mean it as insulting to me personally, but I am also sure he uses it in a derogatory manner when referring to the gun movement politically.

Do you personally refer to yourself as a gun nut ever? If not, then start referring to people he would like as "socialist whackjobs" like him, I have a feeling he will understand soon enough.

Landor
February 2, 2009, 02:07 PM
Just tell him that you promise to never save his life with your gun because that would be nuts. He is just uneducated. All anti gun people think we are nuts until they get mugged or worse and then realize that if they had access to a gun it would of been a different story.

ShadyScott999
February 2, 2009, 02:28 PM
Dang! Something else I have to put on my list.

Things that offend me.
1. Cracker
2. Neanderthal
3. Paranoid
4. *^^(%^&
5. ()_&^&*(^
6. *%%(((
7. Gun Nut
and the list goes on and on

It is funny how often the following will come up...

"If anything bad ever happens, I am coming to your house"

sqlbullet
February 2, 2009, 02:30 PM
There was an article along these lines in the most recent edition of the Blue Press. They made some very good points relating to this subject.

The key point is this: The media will latch onto the term and use it to galvanize public opinion against firearms owners. The have already done this to great effect with 'assualt weapons'.

The article suggests we embrace a less controversial self-title: Marksman. It also suggests we clarify to anyone who uses the term 'gun nut' when attacking the right to keep and bear arms that they are being bigoted and using hate language to inflame emotions rather than staying confined to logic and useful discourse.

Landor
February 2, 2009, 02:32 PM
"If anything bad ever happens, I am coming to your house"

Good point,

Isn't it ironic. When the anti's feel safe they want all guns gone but when SHTF they are coming to our house. I guess it is all about them :)

TAB
February 2, 2009, 02:35 PM
too me "Gun nut" means some one that is crazy and just happends to own guns.

I've known several of them over the years...

col_tapiocca
February 2, 2009, 02:37 PM
refer to my signatur :)

Hoppy590
February 2, 2009, 02:41 PM
im cool with it. i embrace it.

i thinkt one of the reasons "Gun nut" is so widely accepted by the shooting community is that we tend to be proud people. were not going to back down just because some one calls us a name.

when your verbally insulted you have two options
get defensive. this puts you on your rear foot, and gives the insulter encouragement to keep going.
or you can take it, embrace it and make it yours.

Caliban
February 2, 2009, 02:46 PM
in a liberal's mind, if you believe that citizens have a right to own firearms for self defense, you are nuts... therefore if you own a gun, you are necessarily a "gun nut"...

expvideo
February 2, 2009, 02:48 PM
"If anything bad ever happens, I am coming to your house"
Being the kind of people that most of us are, in a SHTF situation we will most likely welcome our neighbors and provide them with arms. I would like to say that I wouldn't help them, to show my mental superiority, but Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, and I would think that they might be humbled enough by their situation that my leaving them to the wolves is not necessary. Still, nobody's getting anything more than a Mosin Nagant or an old shotgun and a handful of ammo from me. They can envy my "evil black rifles" and "high capacity magazines", while they secure their futures with a borrowed relic.

"If anything bad ever happens, I am coming to your house" is not a plan.

gregormeister
February 2, 2009, 02:51 PM
Its a word that can be good or bad, your either describing yourself to your buddie or getting called one by a hoplophobe. Who knows...

TRGRHPY
February 2, 2009, 03:45 PM
Second Amendment Enthusiast

expvideo
February 2, 2009, 03:49 PM
My girlfriend was telling me that she didn't like that democrats were called liberals and republicans were called conservatives, because she thought that the term liberal was a lot more positive sounding that conservative which sounds very "prude"ish and stubborn. I told her that I don't really call them liberals and conservatives anyway. I just call them commies and patriots. :neener:

jerkface11
February 2, 2009, 04:13 PM
If you don't own at least 5 guns you can't call someone else a gun nut without being a bigot.

Calhoun
February 2, 2009, 04:19 PM
Ironically, many posts in this thread label liberals automatically as antis. Trust me, there are lots of liberals that are VERY pro 2A.

expvideo
February 2, 2009, 04:22 PM
Ironically, many posts in this thread label liberals automatically as antis. Trust me, there are lots of liberals that are VERY pro 2A.
BZZZZ wrong. If you vote for anti-gun politicians, you are by default anti-gun. The democratic party as a whole has made their stance very clear.

jnyork
February 2, 2009, 05:01 PM
The term "gun nut" originally, back it the pre-WWII days and on into the 1970's or so, was used in a highly complimentary manner amoung firearms enthusiasts to describe a person who is very knowledgable and competant with firearms and who probably owned quite a few. If you referred to someone in those days as a "real gun nut", that was about the best thing you could say about him. Only in recent years has the term been siezed upon by the antigun crowd and used in a derogatory way. I think it is time we started reviving it in its original meaning.

TAB
February 2, 2009, 05:45 PM
The democratic party as a whole has made their stance very clear.


yeah every one always fallows party lines... just like W... you remember the GOP president that said he would sign a AWB if it made it too his desk.

SsevenN
February 2, 2009, 05:49 PM
BZZZZ wrong. If you vote for anti-gun politicians, you are by default anti-gun. The democratic party as a whole has made their stance very clear.


So the guys over at DU in the firearms section, who are constantly challenging their fellow party members views and pushing them to re-evaluate their stance on impractical gun laws are antis?



BZZZZZZZZZ wrong.

jerkface11
February 2, 2009, 05:58 PM
They vote for antigun politicians. So yes they're antigun.

SsevenN
February 2, 2009, 06:13 PM
If you truly believe those who are fighting for RKBA rights, albiet on a different side than you, are anti-gun. Then you live in an over-simplified world.

The world is not black and white, there is a middle ground.

jerkface11
February 2, 2009, 07:09 PM
As I said if they vote for antigun candidates then they are antigun. If they were really for the RKBA they wouldn't vote for antigun candidates.

Redneck with a 40
February 2, 2009, 07:47 PM
I'm a certified gun nut and damn proud of it.:D

B yond
February 2, 2009, 07:56 PM
A nut you eat while drinking beer is a beer nut, right?

So a nut you eat while shooting guns is a gun nut.

I like mixed gun nuts, but my favorites are almonds and walnuts.
:p

ServiceSoon
February 2, 2009, 07:59 PM
I'm proud to be called a gun nut.

jerkface11
February 2, 2009, 07:59 PM
I'm partial to cashews and macadamias.

zoom6zoom
February 2, 2009, 10:15 PM
I'm partial to cashews
Gesundheit.

crazy-mp
February 2, 2009, 10:22 PM
Just call him a commie.

Did you steal that from me?:scrutiny:

I have a little diffrent spin, I say "You are a Un-American commie heathen" That seems to get the point across a little better I think.



As for the redneck claims earlier, I agree with you 100%

skeet king
February 2, 2009, 10:34 PM
It's funny the only reason the commies are here is because their ancestors picked up arms and granted their children the right to live

Just remember that in a shtf or a teotw we will be the ones with the right to survive and prosper

LOL I think I'll keep my arms, thank you

MikePGS
February 2, 2009, 10:46 PM
The thing I find offensive is that your friend considers himself to be "liberal". Since when does the term liberal mean restricting things? Wouldn't someone who is truly liberal want there to be as many freedoms as possible? Call him what he is, a socialist. For some reason they get really offended by that, even though more times than not its accurate.

Caliban
February 2, 2009, 11:11 PM
Trust me, there are lots of liberals that are VERY pro 2A.

wish i knew some of these people. so far the only one i've heard of is kirstin gillibrand.

kilo729
February 2, 2009, 11:31 PM
The thing I find offensive is that your friend considers himself to be "liberal". Since when does the term liberal mean restricting things? Wouldn't someone who is truly liberal want there to be as many freedoms as possible?

Dingdingding, we have a winner! Democrat and liberal aren't interchangeable!

Caliban
February 2, 2009, 11:46 PM
Dingdingding, we have a winner! Democrat and liberal aren't interchangeable!

this site is full of odd equivalence... i had someone assume that when i said i was "socially liberal" it meant i was a socialist...

ColinthePilot
February 3, 2009, 01:32 AM
I see the term "gun nut" as a term for other gun nuts to use. You must be a gun nut to call someone a gun nut. Anti's are not permitted to use it.

Cuda
February 3, 2009, 01:39 AM
I'm a gun nut and darn proud to be one. Your buddy is just a nut.

C

KC0QGL
February 3, 2009, 02:06 AM
I'm a gun nut, "nut" to me means buff.

dmazur
February 3, 2009, 02:20 AM
I kind of like the idea of "Marksman", but I think it has a long way to go to catch on in common use.

Many years ago, I was reading a gun rag and noted the writer used the term "rifle crank" to describe himself and his cronies. I believe a rifle crank is a special type of gun nut, devoted to rifle loads, rifle accuracy and suchlike.

You know, the kind of folks who discuss turning case necks like it was a religious rite...

The point being that there are a lot of terms we use to describe ourselves, and they are not always easily seen as positive by those who are not members of the group. Maybe "Marksman" isn't such a bad idea.

hinton03
February 3, 2009, 02:53 AM
I think I will just tell I prefer "Gun Enthusiast" next time he call me a gun nut.

expvideo
February 3, 2009, 11:06 AM
The world is not black and white, there is a middle ground.
Sure, but the 2A is black and white. Freedom is black and white. You are either free or you are not, there is no "middle ground". Until you realize that any infringement is unacceptable, you will not realize that the shades of grey just get darker and darker. Any grey is just black overpowering white. You don't get that, because you are a liberal. You think that the government should have control over my life. That's why you're all commies.

K3
February 3, 2009, 01:30 PM
The article suggests we embrace a less controversial self-title: Marksman.

A man probably ought to be able to shoot a little if he wants to call himself that. I'm an OK shot, but I'm not apt to call myself a marksman.

SsevenN
February 3, 2009, 01:50 PM
You don't get that, because you are a liberal. You think that the government should have control over my life. That's why you're all commies.

I'm a registered republican and a realist.

Every time someones insults liberals on this site, they drive away our allies.
How does this further the agenda of RKBA?

You can continue to believe that it's my way or the highway, and that all democrats are gun grabbing authoritan freedom haters, but the simple fact is that isn't the case.

There are examples all around us of socially liberal people re-evaluating their take on RKBA, but the majority here like to put them down because they don't go about it reigning zealous biggotry down on anyone who disagrees with their world views.

If you want to continue to believe that we can peacefully change this nations politics with out compromises, then I can't convince you other wise.

But history shows us we will have to work with the others who make up this society, bring them to our side, and come to some kind of agreement with them where we both walk away happy.

This doesn't mean we shout at them about how illogical, stupid and sheepish they are untill they argee with us........

ccsniper
February 3, 2009, 01:57 PM
when someone calls me a gun nut, i get this big smile on my face, and i begin to tell them that i use all of my rights to the fullest. Its why im a outspoken baptist, i talk regularly about the horrible way our govt does their job (going to take flak on that) and own as many guns as my wallet allows so on and so forth.

Pushrod
February 3, 2009, 02:39 PM
Gun nuts? yeah, some of my older rifles have them, it keeps them tightly together. I don't quite think I fit that description. :(

chuckusaret
February 3, 2009, 02:47 PM
Save my reply for another day

expvideo
February 3, 2009, 02:55 PM
I like this topic. I am as guilty of making it political as anyone else, but for the sake of keeping this thread from being locked, can we keep the politics out of it? I know, I know. I started it. But let's just keep on topic for the rest of the thread.

My appologies to the OP for bringing politics into it.

bonza
February 3, 2009, 06:02 PM
One fairly well known gun writer started using the term 'Rifle Looney' a few years back. All in all I think I prefer 'Gun Nut'!

CTPistol
February 3, 2009, 07:03 PM
use "libtard"...its equally as insulting.

oklahoma caveman
February 3, 2009, 07:42 PM
expvideo im unsure of the way things are in your area, but in mine i am not given a choice if i want my voice heard. i have no choice but to register democrat if i want to vote in anything but primary elections, but i am most definatly a gun nut. i am a single issue voter, and i vote the way i feel i should.

personally i believe that republican/democrat shoud be abolished. i believe every individual should run as an independent, that way all you would have to vote for or against anybody is what he or she stands for, not their political party

OcelotZ3
February 3, 2009, 11:19 PM
it seems to be a moniker that liberal anti gunners

Believe me, conservative anti-gunners use the same label.

Can we drop the whole "liberal" thing whenever you REALLY mean anti-gunner?

jerkface11
February 4, 2009, 12:51 AM
No because guncontrol is part of liberalism. It is not part of conservatism or libertarianism.

expvideo
February 4, 2009, 09:02 AM
Enough politics, everyone. Please? This thread has some potential, but this kind of talk is only going to end with a lock.

Robocop
February 4, 2009, 09:05 AM
I am Robocop, and I AM A GUN NUT.

Rush
February 4, 2009, 10:24 AM
The term "gun nut" in general mainstream usage has come to mean a person within a certain culture. Conservative, white, male, overweight, southern or rural, uneducated, meat-eating, unenlightened, and fundamentalist Christian. And all somehow descendants of antebellum plantation owners, even if they're from Appalachia or Minnesota. The majority of the time I hear the term in mainstream culture, this is the connotation. This is the new minority that is hated and that the rest of the "enlightened" world wants to stamp out.

I know some "gun nuts" who are long haired, tie-died, vegetarians. Some who are social minded African Americans, some who are delicate, refined and sophisticated young ladies. These are NOT what people mean when they talk about "gun nuts" outside of the gun community itself. It is NOT meant as a compliment. It is part of the new language of intolerance.

I am not talking about politics. You asked about the term. I am giving my opinion of the term from a cultural perspective. We can affectionately call ourselves "gun nuts" but make no mistake, as the good use of guns by ordinary citizens for survival, self protection, and assurance of liberty, is erased from mainstream awareness through the entertainment industry and through the relentless eradication of such depictions (Johnny can't draw a picture of his soldier cousin) the term "gun nut" is slowly but surely becoming to mean false misconceptions... say "gun nut" to the general population and they're likely to envision "racist" and "ignorant" more and more and more... it is a cultural label, a tag being relentlessly defined more and more concretely as a yellow star. The ones who say "gun nut" with that touch of contempt, are the ones who want you to register your guns. So they know where to come for you. It is the creation of the new persecuted minority - this isn't politics, I don't care if you are a democrat or republican or something else, it is cultural. This country's culture is changing - people for whom firearms are a normal part of life are being marginalized - labeled and defined. Do things usually end well when that happens to a culture?

expvideo
February 4, 2009, 10:33 AM
The negative connotation to "Gun Nut" gives me the mental picture of an out of shape, anti-government type with a bunker full of beans and ammo. I don't like to be associated with those types.

Why is it that anything gun related seems to attract the whack-jobs? The anti-government conspiracy loonies, the white supremacists, the urban ninjas, the poser commandos, the people that claim to be former Marine Corps snipers or Navy SEALs, and so on? The normal people crowd is much larger in the gun community, but it seems that the most outspoken of us also seem to also be the most bat**it crazy.

MT GUNNY
February 4, 2009, 11:27 AM
I allways thought that a GunNuts was the same as TruckNuts :)

sqlbullet
February 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
Finally a trucknuts reference. I was beginning to think I would have to do it myself.

For myself, I am a marksman. I may not be a particularly good marksman, but I spend a significant amount of my free time in pursuit of hitting what I shoot at. This includes reading, shooting, reloading and casting bullets. If I could legally and safely make my own smokeless powder and primers, I probably would.

edmondsonpr
February 4, 2009, 01:57 PM
I say "yup, but I prefer gun afficianado!"

OcelotZ3
February 4, 2009, 09:56 PM
Well, Jerkface is an apropro moniker with that attitude.

I'm also referred to as a "car nut".

I don't take offense to "gun nut", and I've mostly been called that by ultra-conservative, fundamentalist christian republicans.

ChemicalArts
February 4, 2009, 10:34 PM
I've been called everything under the sun. Nothing really offends me, but that doesn't mean I like what I'm called.

When people label others as gun nuts, antis, conservatives, liberals, Republicans, Democrats, facists, commies...they are excusing themselves from really thinking by letting the label do the thinking for them.

jerkface11
February 5, 2009, 12:31 AM
Oh so it's my fault the left is anti gun. I see.

shotgunjoel
February 5, 2009, 12:44 AM
I don't own enough guns yet to "qualify" for the title, but don't worry, I'm working on it.:D

rogertc1
February 5, 2009, 06:25 AM
I"m a gun nut and also a car nut. No compaints from me!!

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