Will shooting become a rich mans sport?


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Owen Sparks
February 3, 2009, 08:51 PM
With the price of ammo going up and all sorts of naferious regulations on guns and ammo pending, will shootring become a rich mans sport?

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Grassman
February 3, 2009, 08:53 PM
You'll prolly need to be rich just to go to the grocery store.

Old Fuff
February 3, 2009, 08:55 PM
Some would like it so... As it is there are too many gun owners that vote. :uhoh: :evil:

But anyway, I don't think so - but the way various shooting sports are conducted, and the kind of firearms and ammunition that are used may change.

yokel
February 3, 2009, 08:59 PM
If the costs of shooting keep going up, only the rich will be left and regardless how much they spend, our hobby and recreational activity will suffer.

goldie
February 3, 2009, 09:05 PM
if the trend continues, i believe 22lr will be the future of a lot of shooting due to its cheaper cost.i think its the least threatened as far as guns & caliber is concerned.thats kind of how the uk wound up to some degree.ruger 10/22's are legal there,if you can believe that....

Tyrannosaurus
February 4, 2009, 01:01 AM
Yes.
With the recent unavailability of any "discount" brass ammunition, such as Monarch or Blazer Brass, I can no longer justify the budget.

jakemccoy
February 4, 2009, 01:45 AM
Golf is a rich man's sport. However, I know plenty of people of modest means that make it happen.

I can afford to shoot just about anything I want. However, I have to admit that the cost of things has slowed me down. In fact, I don't go to the range to blast through ammo just for the hell of it. I always go prepared with some sort of game plan to make my range visit efficient and productive. This wasn't the case 2 years ago.

solareclipse
February 4, 2009, 02:20 AM
Since when has shooting not been rich mans sport? Have you checked gun club prices lately at all

MatthewVanitas
February 4, 2009, 02:47 AM
Since when has shooting not been rich mans sport? Have you checked gun club prices lately at all

Yes, it's $75/yr at Austin Rifle Club, and $65/yr at Lone Star Range, why do you ask?

$6/mo for unlimited shooting doesn't seem unreasonable. People spend more than that on two coffee drinks, or two mixed drinks at a bar.

Dark_Harvest
February 4, 2009, 04:43 AM
have you priced range memberships at indoor facilities that aren't in TX?

different story. you're lucky, be happy.

moooose102
February 4, 2009, 06:25 AM
you mean it's not already!?!?:what:

EHL
February 4, 2009, 06:41 AM
Yeah. If ammo goes up anymore, we're going to be trading in guns for ammo for the other guns we have.

redneck2
February 4, 2009, 06:46 AM
With good grade factory ammo, a .44 mag or .45 LC costs about $6 to fill the cylinder once. A .338 WM is $2.50 every time you pull the trigger.

There's a reason reloading supplies are really scarce.

rogertc1
February 4, 2009, 07:08 AM
Gambling is a Rich man's spoert too. However i know a lot of poor people who spend every penny they make gambling.
If you want to shoot. You will make compromises to shoot. Like less movies, eating out, skipping the Pubs and on .
At least gas prices have dropped to under $2.00 for now.

Deltaboy
February 4, 2009, 08:13 AM
Budjet

Flame Red
February 4, 2009, 08:54 AM
Just look at the class III world. The get togethers at Knob's Creek is called the "millionaire's club of shooting". More millionaires gathered in any one place at the same time than anywhere else in the country.

That is a proven successful technique for the anti's to get their agenda thru. That way they don't piss off their rich buddies!

I_AM_LEGEND
February 4, 2009, 09:00 AM
It already is buddy... I'm poor as a bum, spent all my money on guns and now no money for ammo. I got a bunch of really nice scoped baseball bats and metal boomerangs...

No but in all honesty, I honestly do believe the cost of recreational shooting and training is going to go WAYYYY up with good ole Barry raising taxes on ammo and probably banning ammo imports...

Obama took Chris Rock seriously and said, ok, don't worry about gun control, we need some bullet control....

You guys have got to watch this!!! HILARIOUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJGcrUk2eE

expvideo
February 4, 2009, 09:05 AM
Unless you shoot 9mm, 22lr, 7.62x54 or 7.62x39, shooting is already a rich man's sport.

everallm
February 4, 2009, 09:09 AM
The cost of expendables is driven by inflation and the market, lots of panic buying, most of the supply going at fixed cost to the military.

More demand, less available supply = more immediate cost to the consumer.

When demand goes down so will price, if you're worried by ammunition costs reload.

Robocop
February 4, 2009, 09:12 AM
"As it is there are too many gun owners that vote..."

...and many of them voted Obama into power. With unity like this, they might as well just throw their guns into the sea right now.

On a happier note, shooting will never be a "rich mans" sport because there will always be someone practicing American ingenuity who will come up with cheaper alternatives regarding ammo and weapons that are not inferior products. Besides Our Lord, I have faith in the average American.

daskro
February 4, 2009, 09:20 AM
Machine guns are a rich man's sport considering upfront cost hell even competitive shooting that uses hundreds of rounds per session such as 3 gun matches require a decent budget. This kind of shooting is definitely an expensive middle class hobby.

huntsman
February 4, 2009, 09:29 AM
With good grade factory ammo, a .44 mag or .45 LC costs about $6 to fill the cylinder once. A .338 WM is $2.50 every time you pull the trigger
+1 I got rid of my .44mag when it was only .65 cents a shot.

It's been the cheaper "white box yellow box" and imported stuff that's fueled shooting sports and if .gov bans imported ammo that will hurt a lot of shooters.

But hey when I was a kid we couldn't afford a box of shotgun shells so every Saturday before we went hunting we'd head down to the hardware store to buy 5 or 6 shells for the day.

ar10
February 4, 2009, 10:07 AM
Yes, except for the wealthy and the gansta crowd.
If you want to keep shooting and keep the costs down start reloading, then if you're lucky take an RSO course then "volunteer" at your local gun range. :D:D:D

Robert
February 4, 2009, 10:19 AM
Some would argue that shooting, at least more than just plinking, has always been a rich man's sport. My friend competes, semi seriously, in 3 Gun and IDPA and the like. He has tens of thousands of dollars sunk in different ARs, pistols, and shotguns. So from where I stand shooting in any great amount is, has been, and always will be a rich man's game. At least at certain levels.

candr44
February 4, 2009, 10:55 AM
If shooting becomes a rich man's sport, then I will be selling some of my guns and ammo to a rich man at a rich price.

I could have followed this plan with my 69 Mach 1 Mustang if I kept it 15 more years. I payed $850 for the car with 52,000 original miles back in the mid 80s and in 2006 you could find people willing to pay $60,000.

leadcounsel
February 4, 2009, 11:14 AM
I would view it as problematic and a violation of equal protection to not tax guns and ammo out of price for the poor.

Unfortunately, the elite want this and the stupid and uninformed don't know any better to stop it.

#shooter
February 4, 2009, 11:27 AM
Where cost is a concern in shooting sports- the sky is the limit as it is in any sport. You need to be a very wealthy to shoot a mini-gun regularly. However like many other sports, shooting can be done on the cheap. You could buy a used .22 rifle or pistol and the ammo is plentiful and inexpensive.

ChromeLibrarian
February 4, 2009, 11:30 AM
I don't know if it's a rich man's sport, yet. I shoot, and I ain't rich. On the other hand, it sure ain't a poor man's sport. Guns are more expensive all the time. Ammo is more expensive all the time. Range time is more expensive all the time. Places to shoot without paying are getting scarcer every year. Hunting licenses are monetarily out of reach for many people in Arizona.

Funderb
February 4, 2009, 11:31 AM
if you can't ban it, make it prohibitively expensive.

it seems to be trending that way these days.
ah shucks.

schloe
February 4, 2009, 12:24 PM
it already is in most of the world

Skoghund
February 4, 2009, 01:09 PM
Its only money. You can't take it with you when you die;). Will the cost stop me shooting and hunting? NO:D

OOOXOOO
February 4, 2009, 01:46 PM
It already is. Anything not directly related to food and shelter will soon become extravagant thanks to the state of our economy.

trickshot
February 5, 2009, 10:30 PM
Hunting already is a sport that only the middle class or rich can afford. I know from personal experience that the really poor people can't afford to pay the license fees to hunt all the different animals and birds such as deer and turkey. Its sad.

For hundreds of years, one of the great things about America was that unlike European nations, the common people, the poor people, were able to hunt all the wild animals and birds for food with very little government restrictions. It is a terrible thing how today the government has made the hunting licenses so expensive, that poor people can't afford to hunt anymore.

Voodoochile
February 5, 2009, 10:44 PM
Hunting already is a sport that only the middle class or rich can afford. I know from personal experience that the really poor people can't afford to pay the license fees to hunt all the different animals and birds such as deer and turkey. Its sad.

For hundreds of years, one of the great things about America was that unlike European nations, the common people, the poor people, were able to hunt all the wild animals and birds for food with very little government restrictions. It is a terrible thing how today the government has made the hunting licenses so expensive, that poor people can't afford to hunt anymore.

You've got that right, but I find a way each year to afford my license for both Archery & regular season.

Shooting has become a bit more expensive yes, kinda one of the reasons why I've shot my .45ACP & 12Ga. very little last year, just enough to keep me in tune but otherwise I've shot my C&B revolvers, Muzzleloaders, & Archery more & they are still relatively cheap "well since I make most of makins for my ammo that is."

B yond
February 6, 2009, 12:47 AM
I'm buying a faster reloading press so i can afford to shoot.

MatthewVanitas
February 6, 2009, 02:02 AM
I think a lot of people are blaming "the big, bad Government" for what are actually Free Market costs for hunting and shooting.

It is a terrible thing how today the government has made the hunting licenses so expensive, that poor people can't afford to hunt anymore.

Here in TX, it's $23 for a Resident Hunting License, $6 if you're a Senior. I find it hard to believe that the one government-related fee is going to stop folks, considering a hunter probably spends more than that on gasoline, ammo, and snacks to take with.

Further, the real expense of hunting in TX comes from the lack of government land. Most of TX is private land, so to hunt you either have to know a landowner or pay one money. So, ironically, the lack of goverment intervention in buying up private land for public use is what raises the costs.


if you can't ban it, make it prohibitively expensive.

I'd say that also more "bogey man" blaming. How is the government working hard to make shooting more expensive? There's an excise tax on new firearms, but it's not immoderately large. And it doesn't apply to used guns, so nothing's stopping someone from buying a Marlin 30-30 for $195 at a pawnshop (like I did two years back). There's a tax on ammo, but good hunting ammo can still be had under a dollar a shot, and cheaper still if you handload. For plinking and FMJ loads, the current increases in prices are based on... yep, the Free Market. Brass and lead went up in price last year, and the manufacturers want to make some profit back now that commodities are settling down, and since demand is high they've had no incentive to lower prices.

The impediments the government puts in the way of shooting and owning guns in the U.S. are so minor compared to most industrialised nations. I'm not saying that less regulation wouldn't be even better (especially if we could buy suppressors without that $200 tax), but to go blaming every possible woe on "The Government" regardless of actual fact does nothing to help our cause.

Blame Caesar for what is Caesar's, but blame him for what he does, rather than for every hassle you encounter in life.

Bill_Rights
February 6, 2009, 10:00 AM
Yes, you are rich. If you, or anyone reading this, owns a decent gun, knows how to use it and has some ammo, you are rich.

I am going to wax philosophical here, because the times warrant it. I'll be brief. Owen, I imagine that you are simply a shooting sportsman, a gun enthusiast or a wary home defense (HD) firearm owner. You just want to be left alone to do what you do and to be able to afford to do it readily. That's great. Literally. But think once in a while about where we came from.

Two hundred fifty years ago, ONLY the rich had guns. But guns had been invented hundreds of years before then. Yes, guns were expensive, but that is not why people like us didn't have them.

Guns were and are hugely valuable. Yes, guns do have their place among the major technological advancements of humanity (the wheel, control of fire, invention of agriculture, domestication of animals, discoveries of soap, electricity, toilet paper, etc.), and they are valuable for that reason - general quality of life. But guns, like no other invention, also allow projection of deadly force. For protection, for keeping the peace, for retaining your private property, for conquest and for ease of putting meat on the table.

Guess what? (Here's the rant - you fill in the rest, after my pointer...) The rich and powerful used to be the only ones who could do those things effectively. For hundreds of years they wanted it to stay that way. But now you have that power and can do those things. Thanks to America's rich, powerful elites 235-odd years ago. Those guys were willing to give the power of guns to every citizen in good standing. (I also give credit to the Swiss and other societies throughout history who tried similar things - you heirs of those traditions speak up and claim your honor.)

Now some people are trying to take our guns away from us. Why do you think that is? If they succeed, you and everybody who depends on you will be quite literally POORER. Do you think the gun-takers care about that? No! They want social power, and if everybody (except them!) gets poorer in the process, so be it. Now you are feeling that impoverishment.... (I leave the fleshing-out of this thought to another thread/forum - I know you didn't intend to go here.)

Bill_Rights

searcher451
February 6, 2009, 09:03 PM
It already has to a large degree, given the increasingly outrageous escalating prices of ammo -- when you can even find any ammo available. That being said, my .22s have been seeing a lot more range time of late than my usual 9mm companions.

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