What about the new Ruger LCP?


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dschutte
February 5, 2009, 01:57 AM
There seems to be quite a controversy right now over the new Ruger LCP .380 Auto. It looks like a great little piece, but how reliable or durable it is? I'm hearing stories of the firing pin breaking after about 200 rounds. There was a recall, but some still seem to be having quality issues. Please share what you may know either way, preferably from personal experience, and do you think Ruger will come through in the marketplace? Thanks!

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Hoppy590
February 5, 2009, 02:01 AM
its a keltec clone.

iv heard it has had some problem. get an original Keltec if you can

also, i thin ruger is too little too late. 2 or 3 "new" (read rehashed pathetic designs) cant save

ThrottleJockey
February 5, 2009, 02:05 AM
I fired one before the recall and thought it was a great little gun, for what it is. I've heard "through the grapevine" that after the recall, it is still a great little gun, for what it is. I don't know much more than that though, other than the fact that Ruger is a pretty well known manufacturer and is likely to stand behind their product with service etc....I don't own a Ruger, and don't care for their rifles, but it is my understanding that it's pretty hard to go wrong with a Ruger.

ThrottleJockey
February 5, 2009, 02:08 AM
"its a keltec clone."

How can you say that? The best kel-tec on the best day doesn't even come close to the worst Ruger. Just my own opinon, but I wouldn't even throw a kel-tec at a target....unless you like a sore web, bruised wrist....

Frog48
February 5, 2009, 02:27 AM
its a keltec clone.

iv heard it has had some problem. get an original Keltec if you can


Yep just like the Keltec, except that Ruger has stepped up to the plate, and issued recalls, to fix the flaws that they inherited when they copied KT's design. Meanwhile, KT has their head in the sand, denying any problems.

Between the two, I'd go with the folks with proven customer service.

Hoppy590
February 5, 2009, 02:35 AM
How can you say that? The best kel-tec on the best day doesn't even come close to the worst Ruger. Just my own opinon, but I wouldn't even throw a kel-tec at a target....unless you like a sore web, bruised wrist....

seriously? i mean. do i have to respond to this? seems like an obvious troll attempt here.

Yep just like the Keltec, except that Ruger has stepped up to the plate, and issued recalls, to fix the flaws that they inherited when they copied KT's design. Meanwhile, KT has their head in the sand, denying any problems.

Between the two, I'd go with the folks with proven customer service.

while im sure ruger has tried to fix the problem. im more than sure they knew of any problem when they first released it. and if they didn't then they failed. either way its ruger, and their past actions have set them behind. anything they do will simply bee making up lost ground. damned if you do, damned if you dont.


aside from that iv rarely heard of a dissatisfied keltec owner

ThrottleJockey
February 5, 2009, 02:38 AM
"aside from that iv rarely heard of a dissatisfied keltec owner"

I traded mine for a slightly larger Bersa, and couldn't be happier.

Frog48
February 5, 2009, 03:19 AM
while im sure ruger has tried to fix the problem. im more than sure they knew of any problem when they first released it. and if they didn't then they failed. either way its ruger, and their past actions have set them behind. anything they do will simply bee making up lost ground. damned if you do, damned if you dont.


My point is, if the Ruger is a clone of the Keltec, how could the Ruger have an inherent design flaw but not the Keltec?

Dookie
February 5, 2009, 04:32 AM
My point is, if the Ruger is a clone of the Keltec, how could the Ruger have an inherent design flaw but not the Keltec?Ruger has a tendency to put a product out to soon, they did the same with the SR9

The LCP is what the keltec wants to be. It took all of the good out of the keltec and made it better. Now Ruger is being sued by keltec for copyright infringement, or something similar. Serves Ruger right for suing AMT for cloning the 10/22

I am more interested in the LCR, Rugers polymer 38 revolver that is hammerless and +P rated.

rogertc1
February 5, 2009, 06:18 AM
The LCP is what the keltec wants to be. It took all of the good out of the keltec and made it better. Now Ruger is being sued by keltec for copyright infringement, or something similar. Serves Ruger right for suing AMT for cloning the 10/22

I didn't know this? This will hurt Rugers pockets. Best buy a LCP while I still can then....

moooose102
February 5, 2009, 06:25 AM
there is a recall on the earlier ones (s/n prefix 370), but it is no big deal. as for reliability. after the fist 100 rounds (break-in) i have had no problems. i probably have close to 1k rounds through mine. just buy one, clean it, break it in, clean it, and carry it. clean it every couple of weeks (pocket dust, lint, etc.) and you will be good to go.

techmike
February 5, 2009, 07:58 AM
Now Ruger is being sued by keltec for copyright infringement, or something similar.

Source please.

expvideo
February 5, 2009, 08:06 AM
also, i thin ruger is too little too late. years of pissing in our faces, that 2 or 3 "new" (read rehashed pathetic designs) cant save
That pretty much sums up my dilema with Ruger. They make some nice products, but I don't have much respect for companies that cater to law enforcement and don't want to let the civilians have access to certain items such as high capacity magazines. I think that Ruger has a long way to go to prove that they care about the second amendment and that they respect the people of this country. Especially during this new era of firearms, where so many more people are interested in them, and the kind of guns that people want are the kind that the government and police have. If Ruger wants to compete in the 21st century, they're going to have to step up to the plate like KelTec is with their RFB (front-ejecting, .308 bullpup). So called "tactical" weapons are the wave of the future, and Ruger is doing their best to remain "your grandfather's gun company". Admirable as that may be to some, it is a recipe for economic failure. The generation of steel and wood is getting old. The new generation wants plastic. I'm not saying that it's right, it's just the way things are. Even Smith & Wesson and Remington have put out an AR-15. S&W has a "tactical" pistol on the market that is doing very well. These respected gun companies know what they have to do to survive in the 21st century. Ruger does not.

ssjones
February 5, 2009, 08:07 AM
My buddy bought one for nightstand gun (pre-recall). He only fires it occasionally, but loves it and is trying to get a 2nd for his other home. Currently, they are hard to find in MD. I hope to get a chance to fire it soon.

bottom shelf
February 5, 2009, 08:11 AM
I see the controversy in print, but I've never heard anyone say "my LCP did 'such and such'".

As for mine, it's not really a fun pistol to shoot, but it worked fine out of the box for the first 200 rounds. Sent it in for the recall, and it still works fine about 200 rounds later. I can't tell any difference before and after the recall, except I see this little diamond stamp under the hammer. No problems before, and no problems now.

So what about it fellers? Anybody here have a problem with their own LCP or or know someone personally that has?

threehorse
February 5, 2009, 08:20 AM
I have had no problems with mine. It has performed flawlessly through about 350 rounds (about 200 prior to sending it back for the recall, and the remainder since its return.)

rhoggman
February 5, 2009, 09:21 AM
I was skeptical as well. There is a lot of info out there that makes the LCP look negative, or hit or miss at best.

I really wanted something small for a CCW option. I have 2 other guns I carry depending on the situation.

I finally figured... If they were that bad they would be easier to find. If they were that bad they would grace the shelves of every gunshop I go to right? Well guess what... they are hard to find. You don't see them often, and there are waiting lists at most places where I have enquired about them.

So finally I found a vendor at a gun show that had a jobsite box full of LCPs and I bought one. Guess what I haven't had a single issue for about 150 rounds thus far.

I reccomend cleaning the LCP before you fire it. Make sure the slide rails, any friction points on the barrel, and the recoil spring are lubed. This is not a shoot 500-1000 rounds in between cleanings pistol either. You have to remember all the blowback in a larger pistol has more space to occupy. This pistol gets dirty quickly. I'm not saying you couldn't get 200 rounds through it without any problems, but I would not reccomend it. I have cleaned mine in between every box of ammo.

chuckusaret
February 5, 2009, 09:39 AM
they are hard to find in MD. I hope to get a chance to fire it soon.

Serial #370XXX and earlier are all back at the Ruger plant being rebuilt.

I will not own a weapon that is prone to fire when dropped.

Buy a NAA .380 a tad bit heavier but more reliable and has never been on a recall.

rhoggman
February 5, 2009, 09:44 AM
I will not own a weapon that is prone to fire when dropped.

A lot of people tested this and could not get it to happen before the recall. Ruger never said it was an actual problem that was actually occuring. They said it was a potential problem that could arise.

Anyways, there have been reports for a long time that this has occured in Kel-Tec the p3at, and the manual even warns about this. Since the Ruger was designed after the KEL-TEC I believe Ruger wanted to prevent the possiblity.

KaintGetwright
February 5, 2009, 12:05 PM
I'm having some conflicting feelings right now myself. I have always been a Ruger rifle and revolver fan, but have taken issue with their lack of more modern self defense oriented offerings, and also with a few comments from former officers that could be taken to be counter to my interests.

But now I wonder. These new offerings seem to be honest attempts by the new management to do right by the shooting community. Not only that, but the after inauguration sale where they cut their magazine prices in half didn't hurt my opinion of them either. Maybe $30 for a mini-14 mag isn't the best price, but it sure is better than the $60 i was looking at.

Boba Fett
February 5, 2009, 07:56 PM
...do you think Ruger will come through in the marketplace?

If you mean, "Will Ruger survive because of the Little Crappy Pistol debacle?" Then yes, they will be just fine.

If you mean, "Will the Little Crappy Pistol come through in the market and surpass Kel-Tec in sales and quality?" Then I don't think so. Not for a while at least. Ruger has a good name, but the LCP has had a terrible start and then there is the price difference: KEL-TEC $324 MSRP vs Ruger $347* MSRP. Now, you're probably thinking, "That's not that big a difference for the Ruger name." That would normally be true until you realize that the asterisk next to the price means you are paying $347 to be a beta tester for Ruger.

Now, maybe in about a year or so, Ruger will have worked out all the kinks in their P3AT clone and I will finally trade in my P3AT for the Ruger or maybe just get the Ruger.

But not for quite a while; sometime after the beta testers have found all the issues.

Remember, this is a gun used to protect you family and your life...

rhartwell
February 5, 2009, 08:00 PM
my Ruger LCP .380 is my can take anywhere any time gun. I trust it it goes bang every time I pull the trigger. The only thing I would change is the slide locking back on the last round. Other than that It is good for most social occasions

gglass
February 5, 2009, 08:48 PM
All right. Let's get down to the brass tacks here:

Design Rip-Off:
There is not a handgun manufacturer who has not borrowed or out-right copied technical and aesthetic designs from other manufacturers. Does anyone think that all those 1911 manufacturers just happened upon the same design as the original by John Moses Browning? Is anyone aware that even Glock ripped off Sig Sauer in their 1st generation pistol trigger mechanism. Or, the latest Sig Sauer P238 is a Xerox copy of the Colt Pony? Oh... How about all of the Walther PPK clones out there? How did that happen? WAIT!... Why do all those AR15's look exactly the same? If Kel-Tec had anything that could be patented in their design, they would have done it.

The Recall:
It amazes me that a company (like Ruger) that does the right thing without government intervention gets a black eye for it. The hammer mechanism that was the issue of the recall is being fixed for free at great expense to Ruger. The part that everyone forgets is that earlier P-3AT's have the exact same design flaw. Kel-Tec has modified their P-3AT to address this same issue by making an in-production change. The difference is that Ruger recalled all of their guns because they consider it a safety issue, while Kel-Tec simply made a running change and isnít offering to fix any of the guns already on the street. Niether Kel-Tec nor Ruger has had anyone injured or killed by their original designs, but only one company handled the issue properly.

If people are going to hold up Ruger to this kind of myopic scrutiny, then they should be equally critical of every other firearm manufacturer.

Broken Firing Pins:
When did this rumor get started?

I just love the way misinformation turns into the gospel truth on gun forums, and one guys malformed opinion can spread to others as fact.

The Ruger LCP is a fine firearm and in terms of fit & finish has a decent advantage over Kel-Tec's P-3AT. Don't take my word for it... Go handle and examine both at a gun dealer near you.

chuckusaret
February 5, 2009, 08:55 PM
KelTec's were selling $265 at the West Palm Beach Gun show in Dec. Dealers that had LCP's were asking $400. I bought one last year NIB for $285 out he door, but the serial # started with 370XXX. I have since dumped it and replaced it with a NAA .380

Boba Fett
February 5, 2009, 09:01 PM
Design Rip-Off:
There is not a handgun manufacturer who has not borrowed or out-right copied technical and aesthetic designs from other manufacturers.

I don't see people, or at least I'm not, saying that it wasn't OK for Ruger to make a P-3AT clone. But when they make an inferior clone, then yeah, we point out that it is a crappy clone of the Kel-Tec.

The Baby Eagle, EAA Witness, and CZ are pretty much clones...but they all seem to work pretty well. If the Witness was crap, we'd be saying, "Yeah it's clone of the CZ and it is a crappy clone at that."

The Recall:
It amazes me that a company (like Ruger) that does the right thing without government intervention gets a black eye for it.

Um...yeah we do tend to give companies that make our firearms poorly and expect us to find the flaws a hard time. However, I have always said that I like Ruger. I have several of their firearms. I have not given the company a black eye, but I will give the LCP all the flack it deserves.


I just love the way misinformation turns into the gospel truth on gun forums, and one guys malformed opinion can spread to others as fact.


I totally agree with you on this. Misinformation should be curtailed at all times. There is enough real info out there and adding confusion to substantive problems is a plague that sadly perpetuates the internet. Take what you read with a grain of salt and verify it with multiple sources including the manufacturer.

The Ruger LCP is a fine firearm and in terms of fit & finish has a decent advantage over Kel-Tec's P-3AT. Don't take my word for it... Go handle and examine both at a gun dealer near you.

I also agree with this. In terms of looks and feel, the Ruger is better.

But in terms of quality, Ruger dropped the ball and is paying the publicity price. That's the name of the game. Yes, they recalled it on their own. Yes they are a good company. No, the LCP is not yet a gun that can be called great. It probably will be at some point, but it needs some more field testing...which should have been done by Ruger in the first place.

ToadPS
February 5, 2009, 09:52 PM
Lol! Count me as one very happy Ruger beta tester I guess.

I have, in various calibers, Colts, Smiths, Rugers, a Glock, a Taurus and even a couple of Hi-Points sitting in the safe. I'm not a total fanboi of any brand. I buy what I want to buy and shoot. If they fail to function, they hit the road.

There are 3 LCPs in the family, all 370s that had to go back for the recall.

They all shot fine before the recall, they still shoot fine after getting the diamond.

I did have some trouble with MagTech .380 and the Rem Green Box 88gr HP. Both of these had feed issues in the gun. Everything else runs fine through them. All three well past 500 rounds each. Carry ammo is Corbon DPX although I used Golden Sabers earlier and still would.

So buy one or don't. Makes me no diff; I've already decided that they are really nice little carry pistols.

BTW, I know I'll incense a few folks but I really like my Taurus PT-1911 too. Heck of a pistol for what I paid which was about $425 for a new blue. Gave that to my son because he wanted one and picked up a stainless I wanted for just under $600.

Moral of the story is buy what you want to shoot then shoot it a lot. If it doesn't suit you, somebody will take it off your hands.

Bet I could sell my LCP in a heartbeat, but I won't.

stubbicatt
February 6, 2009, 07:14 AM
I carry mine in my pocket when circumstances make it unrealistic to carry my P7 in a holster in my waistband.

So far it has always gone "bang." It is easy to shoot and doesn't sting the web of the hand. I like mine.

earlthegoat2
February 6, 2009, 08:47 AM
as for fit and finish the LCP is not a kel tec clone. As far as general looks and function it is.

You can pay a little more for the LCP and it would not be money badly spent. If your a true penny pincher go for the kel tec.

There is no real world technical differences between them. Choose wisely but you already have if you got one or the other.

rhoggman
February 6, 2009, 12:58 PM
There is no real world technical differences between them.
WRONG!

If you mean, "Will Ruger survive because of the Little Crappy Pistol debacle?" Then yes, they will be just fine.

If you mean, "Will the Little Crappy Pistol come through in the market and surpass Kel-Tec in sales and quality?" Then I don't think so. Not for a while at least. Ruger has a good name, but the LCP has had a terrible start and then there is the price difference: KEL-TEC $324 MSRP vs Ruger $347* MSRP. Now, you're probably thinking, "That's not that big a difference for the Ruger name." That would normally be true until you realize that the asterisk next to the price means you are paying $347 to be a beta tester for Ruger.

Now, maybe in about a year or so, Ruger will have worked out all the kinks in their P3AT clone and I will finally trade in my P3AT for the Ruger or maybe just get the Ruger.

But not for quite a while; sometime after the beta testers have found all the issues.

Remember, this is a gun used to protect you family and your life...

There are so many misleading statements in the above quote I have to believe the poster is emotionally biased or hasn't yet really looked into the LCP with any real intentions of discovering its worthiness.

I will say that I was too sceptical, and did quite a bit of research before I decided to buy the LCP instead of the P3AT.

First of all the LCP has a couple of things that the Kel-Tec does not. Ruger did not just copy the design, they improved upon it. To be fair the new Tuarus TCP 738 (not shipping yet) improves upon the LCP.

As far as reliability goes Kel-Tec continues to have many issues, and they never recalled their pistols for safety issues. THE KELTEC MANUAL FOR THE P3AT tells you (pg10)**NEVER** to load a round directly into the chamber!!! So by the manufacturer's own warning the Kel-Tec takes away 6 +"1 in the pipe". Unless of coarse you load one from the magazine, drop the mag, and replace the round, and reinsert the mag.... sweeeeet!

LCP has 3 features the Kel-Tec does not
Manual slide hold open
Loaded chamber view
More reliable extractor

I have over 250 rounds of FMJ and hollow points through mine and have yet to have a single problem of any sort with it.

Did I mention it also looks much cleaner than the Kel-Tec; meaning it actually looks like a well manufactured firearm. The frame on the Kel-Tec looks like a 3rd grader peeled it out of a plado mold. I'm only being funny. I think they are both good firearms, but I think the Ruger edges out the P3AT by a good margin.

Speaking of sales I would like to see the numbers on who is winning that race. I would put my money on the LCP at this point in time.

TRGRHPY
February 6, 2009, 08:39 PM
gglas: You are right on about your post. This whole design copy is a bunch of BS. Other than being a small pocket pistol, what is the "copy"? I have a photo comparison and just don't see it. The LCP is about as much of a copy as any of the modern plastic squarish handguns out there compare to each other. Might as well call an XDM a glock clone. BTW, how many of you complainers also have a 1911 or an AR?

From the time that my lcp was mailed to the time that it arrived on my doorstep, it took 5 days. Not bad for a recall, and Ruger payed for every cent. And they included a magazine and a hat. I don't know what else anyone expects from a manufacturer. They realized a problem and took immediate steps to fix it. Now if they hadn't done that, the same lot of you who complain about the recall would complain that they didn't do a recall.

psyprofessor
February 6, 2009, 09:18 PM
I realize that Ruger has fixed their LCP pistols so that it is now "drop safe". Is there a physical barrier now installed in the LCP to prevent AD when dropped?

What makes it now "drop safe"?

(I realize that the best safety is "between one's ears" and that there are always possibilities of mechanical failure. But aside from the issue of a mechanical failure...is there a physical safety within the inner workings of the LCP to make it "drop safe"?)

brett30030
February 6, 2009, 09:51 PM
Why don't people use the search feature or read more than 10 posts before asking a question that has been posted at least 20 times before. It amazes me even more that folks take the time to respond.......Ahhh, there we go, i had to get my rant off:)

rhoggman
February 7, 2009, 01:28 PM
Why don't people use the search feature or read more than 10 posts before asking a question that has been posted at least 20 times before. It amazes me even more that folks take the time to respond.......Ahhh, there we go, i had to get my rant off

It amazes me that people like you don't do a search before you read to make sure you don't stumble across related threads.
What amazes me more is you read the same thing more than once, and then actually take the time to complain (respond) about it.
How about just not being a information snob. Since you already have a piece of information, either continue to share it or quit typing.

trekgod3
February 7, 2009, 03:36 PM
. THE KELTEC MANUAL FOR THE P3AT tells you (pg10)**NEVER** to load a round directly into the chamber!!!

Seriously? Do I really have to explain this one to you? You really mis-interpreted that badly. That statement from the manual does not refer to carrying +1 or "one in the pipe". It means the cartridges have to be loaded from the magazine into the chamber. It is telling you not to manually chamber a round by pulling the slide back and dropping a round into the chamber by hand.:banghead:

rhoggman
February 7, 2009, 06:00 PM
Seriously? Do I really have to explain this one to you? You really mis-interpreted that badly. That statement from the manual does not refer to carrying +1 or "one in the pipe". It means the cartridges have to be loaded from the magazine into the chamber. It is telling you not to manually chamber a round by pulling the slide back and dropping a round into the chamber by hand.

Two sentences below where I wrote that I explained the procedure for loading a round from the mag, dropping the mag, replacing the missing round, reinserting the mag. IMO that is a silly process to have to go through. The point is Ruger added a manual slide hold open. Taurus actually improves upon this more by adding an actual slide lock.

jocko
February 7, 2009, 06:08 PM
My bet even the taurus will be better than both the ruger and kt, they have had two guns to trouble shoot before going with theirs.

AK-47Ghost
February 7, 2009, 06:48 PM
I bought a Kel-Tec PF-9 thinking that it would be the ultimate carry gun...guess what...it wasn't!First trip to the range and the gun broke after 3,yes,count 'em, 3 frigging shots!!Something with the spring that cocks the gun came off, I took it to my dealer and he fixed it for free, then guess what?
The gun quit functioning after only one shot!!Back to the dealer who had the gun sent back to the factory, but I'd had enough...traded it in on a Springfield Armory XD-Compact in .45ACP and haven't looked back since!!!

AgCatJHS
February 7, 2009, 06:54 PM
There is a lot of griping about the LCP. I have two one pre recall and one post. They both have been 100% reliable with everything I have put through them. They are more accurate than you would expect.

If one interest you buy it, shoot it, and form an opinion yourself. Based on my experiences with them I would highly recomend one.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-8/1318482/LCP1s.jpg

melikesguns
February 7, 2009, 07:35 PM
I have the kel-tec and Ruger. I will be selling the Ruger this week, there is no comparison, except in caliber!!

klane
February 7, 2009, 08:42 PM
I have one of the earlier LCP's with over 600 rounds of all types of ammo fired with no FTF or FTE. I nearly gave away my Kel-Tec that had a FTF rate around 10%. I do not care if Ruger copied Kel-Tec or not. IMHO they atleast made it worth having.

dschutte
May 14, 2009, 02:20 AM
Looks like there's been some discussion since I started this thread! :^) Good news, I went ahead and purchased the Ruger LCP. No problems whatsoever. Absolutely love it. My wallet is bigger and heavier that the piece, and I was surprised at the punch a .380 rounds still has...definitely enough to challenge an attacker at 21 feet with well placed shots, considering I'd rather not lug around my 9mm subcompact or 40 cal compact everywhere, which are 3x the weight and size. Since the LCP has very little fixed sights to speak of, I also acquired a Crimson Trace laser guard sight. Now it's the bomb concealed carry tool!

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