Glock Carbine / PDW


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Cato
February 5, 2009, 02:17 PM
Take a look at this German made Hera Arms (http://www.hera-arms.com/) Glock PDW stock out of high quality polymer (with steel inserts for the rails):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/GlockPDW.jpg

in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAKiVQwaoM&feature=channel

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Kind of Blued
February 5, 2009, 04:21 PM
The pistol grip behind the Glock's grip is kind of weird... :confused:

...and it needs a suppressor.

Nevertheless, things like these are the reason I own 33-round 9mm Glock mags, even though I don't own a Glock. ;)

crushbup
February 5, 2009, 07:28 PM
Looks like it would make a fun SBR. I don't see it on that website. Is it available in the US?

Cato
February 5, 2009, 11:12 PM
Its not yet on their homepage, but should be out soon. They have an US distributor too.

Pulse
February 5, 2009, 11:56 PM
Glock needs a real Carbine / PDW or Rifle or they will start loosing even more LEA contracts worldwide.
the trend definitely goes towards the one-stop Armory.

Isher
February 6, 2009, 12:02 AM
Why not buy a real carbine

- I run a CZ VZ 58 with folding stock -

And have done with it?

Absolutely don't understand trying to turn

A pistol into a long gun.


The only people who accomplished anything close to this were

The TC Contender, and their mission was

A super accurate high caliber pistol,

Not a long gun.


???????????????

isher

C-grunt
February 6, 2009, 01:41 AM
Watching the other videos with the one with the front handgrip..... Thats REALLY REALLY close to the muzzle. Good way to lose a finger if you're in a hurry.

C-grunt
February 6, 2009, 01:43 AM
Also, how do you rack the slide?

RevolvingCylinder
February 6, 2009, 02:02 AM
The pistol grip behind the Glock's grip is kind of weird...
It looks to me like a short strap with the buckle on the end.

I wonder how quick it is to put the pistol in the chasis or to remove it.

Cato
February 6, 2009, 05:43 AM
In many countries handguns are easier to own than military looking semiautomatic rifles in military calibers (globally the US "stocked handgun = SBR" regulation is quite a novelty). Most non-US shooters also are only allowed a certain number of guns. In those political climates a conversion kit makes a lot of sense.

But even in the USA I would rather get this kit instead of a Marlin Camp, Ruger PC or Beretta 9mm carbine. For one its the trusty Glock 9mm thats at work here, no need for other magazines (Glocks 33rds!) or spare parts, its far more compact and has lots of rail space.

It has a charging handle and there is no pistol grip behind the Glock grip, its a sling adapter.

General Geoff
February 6, 2009, 06:10 AM
Kel-tec Sub-2000 is as compact when folded, has a longer barrel, longer (iron) sight radius, and also accepts Glock magazines. Probably far cheaper too. :)

Pulse
February 6, 2009, 09:47 AM
But even in the USA I would rather get this kit instead of a Marlin Camp, Ruger PC or Beretta 9mm carbine. For one its the trusty Glock 9mm thats at work here, no need for other magazines (Glocks 33rds!) or spare parts, its far more compact and has lots of rail space.

that is the problem.
it still is the glock. While yes, you have all the relaiability with the added benefit of a stock and rails, you still have the short barrel and the magazine inside the Pistol grip.
it does make a nice range toy, sure, but thats about it.

seriously, Glocks needs a real Carbine inn both, a Pistol Caliber and Rifle Caliber if they want to keep there Dominance of the LEO market.

Boats
February 6, 2009, 10:53 AM
Wow, a pistol with crappy ergonomics gets turned into a carbine with crappy ergonomics and poor handling characteristics. I'm impressed.:barf:

sturmgewehr
February 6, 2009, 11:41 AM
Oh yes, the wildly unpopular Glock with its crappy ergonomics.

LOL

Hhrshooter
February 6, 2009, 12:18 PM
I don't think it would work for me. I like my fingers!
Dave

cane
February 7, 2009, 09:12 AM
Wouldn't this be a SBR and require a $200 transfer?

GregGry
February 7, 2009, 09:49 AM
seriously, Glocks needs a real Carbine inn both, a Pistol Caliber and Rifle Caliber if they want to keep there Dominance of the LEO market.

glock still has and will have the pistol market for LE for a long time. There would be no point in them making a short barreled anything in a rifle caliber because there are a million companies doing just that. Sure they might be able to tap into the market, but they are doing just fine with pistols. Carbine's that shoot pistol rounds aren't to popular, and law enforcement wouldn't have much of a use for them. In LE you have your sidearm (and nobody is going to have a carbine holstered), and then a rifle or a shotgun in the car. There really isn't a place for a pistol caliber carbine in law enforcement. Again since they are doing just fine with their pistols, there wouldn't be much of a benefit to them trying to come to the market with another carbine rifle. The cost to develop a new carbine rifle to take on the ar15 would be huge, and might not pay off.

Kind of Blued
February 8, 2009, 11:25 PM
Wait, I can't tell from the photo. I thought this was an "upper" on a Glock pistol, but on second look it doesn't look like a stock Glock frame.

louie19
February 9, 2009, 02:44 AM
Reminds me of an FN P90 with its bullpup design. I'd be interested in trying one of these out once they come out in the US. I hope Kel-Tec starts making some new Sub-2000s too as well since they take either G17 or G19 mags depending on the model.

viperstarbuck
February 9, 2009, 02:57 AM
Reminds me of the FMG 9 from Magpul. Looks fun anyways.

Thomas74
May 18, 2009, 12:58 PM
New pics.....


http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9071/49722732.th.gif (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49722732.gif)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2966/v71.th.gif (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v71.gif)

Zerodefect
May 18, 2009, 05:06 PM
If your going the SBR route with Tax stamp, finger printing, Sheriff and Atf approval signatures etc......

minus well do it right and get a decent rifle. P90, Ar, Sig 556.....

A pistol rifle thingy? No thanks.

Girodin
May 20, 2009, 02:14 PM
I can buy a KT sub 2k for $269. It takes glock mags and is accurate to the effective range of a pistol caliber carbine. It is a lot of gun for the money and the perfect accessory for a Glock owner.

For police applications a real rifle caliber makes more sense in a long arm. I own and like pistol caliber carbines but I would take a rifle caliber over any of them for serious tasks.

Red Rover
May 21, 2009, 02:46 PM
Not sure why one would need to "rifelate" a Glock, but there are other options. I have held this one in a local shop. It's well made; actually, it's downright heavy it's so solid. It's no house clearing SBR though.

http://www.parts.cc/glock/Parts_Acc/Mech_Tech_Carbine.htm

Mooseman
May 21, 2009, 04:25 PM
DWood, looks pretty cool. I think you still need a tax stamp for that though and by the time you spend all that time and money, why not just get a dedicated rifle or carbine?

Col. Plink
May 21, 2009, 04:46 PM
So Kel Tec and HiPoint make carbines for 9mm and .40, but not .45 What gives? Mech Tech makes their CCU upper to fit m1911 45's, but that's about it. There are Feather Arms 45 carbines for twice the price or HK/Berettas for four times. HiPoint has been rumored to start making a .45 carbine for a long time now but have been all talk/no cattle. They seem to enjoy a lot of success with their 9's & 40's among law enforcement. Still having trouble figuring out why there are so few carbines for a cartridge like the 45 acp.

Ghost Tracker
June 12, 2009, 11:19 AM
HERA Arms & their U.S. distributor are both announcing a +16" barrel version (no NFA/SBR issues) is soon to be released. I've heard all the "pistol caliber carbine" arguments as well as the; Keltec, Hi-Point, Beretta & Mech Tech alternatives. But I'm fond of GLOCKS, already have an extra G17 with a few G18 mags around, and believe this may be an ideal tool (weight, recoil, ergonomics) for Mrs. Ghost Tracker to apply to a HD situation. That's my excuse anyway...

JBinMontana
June 12, 2009, 08:51 PM
Buying a Glock 20 and also purchasing the Mech Tech CCU upper for it as I live real close to where the Mech Tech is made. :neener:

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