Stack-On Gun Cabinets?


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Frog48
February 6, 2009, 06:51 PM
A few years ago, my parents gave me a wood & glass gun cabinet (see below). Since then, my collection has grown gradually, to the point that I've run out of room. This is what I have now, as you can see its not that big and easy to outgrow:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/WoodGunCabinet.jpg

I've seen the Stack-On gun cabinets at Cabelas. They look like a good value. I realize that they're not fireproof or waterproof, but its gotta be at least as secure as what I have now.

This is what I'm looking at:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/StackOn16GunCabinet.jpg

It holds 16 long guns, double doors, and plenty of shelving for handguns and accessories.

Anybody have experience with Stack-On products? Is $550 too much for this? Any recommendations for other safes/cabinets in this price range?

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Friendly, Don't Fire!
February 6, 2009, 06:58 PM
Yeah, if you own your own home, build yourself a separate room just for your guns.

It can be your gun & reloading room.

WardenWolf
February 6, 2009, 07:01 PM
I would not pay $250 for one after examining it in the store. It's a piece of junk. StackOns are the lowest of the low.

Dienekes
February 6, 2009, 07:07 PM
I have a couple of basic Stack-Ons--but they do sort of scream, "guns inside", and offer VERY little protection against anyone with a large screwdriver who really wants in. I only keep guns I'm not particularly attached to in them.

If you can, try to get something that will give you more security. Losing one decent gun is about the same cost as a basic, basic safe that will serve you better.

Google up an outfit named "English" somewhere in OK that has some online. Might help.

gpr
February 6, 2009, 07:08 PM
250 would be a fair price...i have that one...it holds and orgainises well..it is not a safe, but it will keep the kids out...they did change the lock, so as not to be opened by a bic pen...i think i got mine from bass pro...gpr

280shooter
February 6, 2009, 07:11 PM
I have one, yea they're cheap,but its better then just having guns sitting out for easy pick ups and walk offs.if u want to make it even harder for being riped off,, drill a hole in the floor well maybe two hole and run a cable up through the floor,through the stack on,and run a cable through all the trigger guards, with a pad lock,so if they open the door. they'll have a harder time getting the guns out.thats what i did with mine,

sturmgewehr667
February 6, 2009, 07:16 PM
i got one at a flea market for $10

i only use it for my "project" guns, meaning the ones that are not worth anything. you could easily punch through it with a large screwdriver


imo, save your $ and get a decent safe

AR2A
February 6, 2009, 07:22 PM
I have also been looking at safes and dicks sporting goods seems to have some good prices ($400+) for fireproof safes. Take a look at their site, they may have something affordable for you.

ThrottleJockey
February 6, 2009, 11:15 PM
I would never buy a stack-on to store guns in. The glass faced cabinet you have is more secure. If somebody gave me one, or was throwing it out(I've seen this with stack-ons), I may use it to keep ammo in, or make a smoker out of it:)

sturmgewehr667
February 6, 2009, 11:19 PM
^i know a guy who has two stack ons welded together in his front yard that he uses to cure meat

DoubleTapDrew
February 6, 2009, 11:23 PM
At that price range you are getting close to the price of a real RSC. You might look into Sentry safes for another cheap alternative RSC. They might deter smash and grab theives a little better than that unit. We store old software in a similar unit at work and it would be easy to get into with a screwdriver.

czarjl
February 7, 2009, 08:32 AM
I have one. I would call it a gun cabinet not a safe. Its more secure than under the bed and much less than a real safe. A Stack-On might keep the kids out but any BG with a couple of simple tools would have no problem.

Save up a little more money and get a real safe you are almost there in price already. Fire and water resistant safes are a good investment.

Logos
February 7, 2009, 09:14 AM
A locking metal cabinet is a huge improvement over any cabinet with glass doors.

Especially if it's in a closet and bolted to the floor and a wall, getting into it takes time that thieves usually don't have.....much different from simply and quickly breaking the glass in a basic locking wood cabinet.

Very few crooks are smart or competent and most of us are not likely to be rich enough to attract the real pros.....instead, we will usually have some dumb losers bungling their way into our property.

Security has many aspects and layers, not the least of which is keeping a low profile about owning guns.....but anything you can do to make things more complicated for thieves and slow them down will help.

jon_in_wv
February 7, 2009, 09:21 AM
I agree with logo. Besides its getting a little deep in this thread when a glass cabinet is better than a steel one and a screwdriver could just pop a gun cabinet open. How does a Stack On cabinet scream guns but a glass cabinet with the guns showing doesn't??? C'mon. Its not a good steel safe thats for sure but its a LOT cheaper and its a better option that not having one at all. If you guys think its such crap than off something more constructive like another option rather than just making nonsensical claims about this one.

WardenWolf
February 7, 2009, 09:21 AM
Those StackOn cabinets are so bad that you could force them open without tools. A critical flaw in the design has the lip used to open the door running the entire height of the door, allowing someone to easily apply force in areas far away from the latches. The door (and likely the latches themselves) can be bent and pulled open. The pieces used to hold your expensive rifles in place are also hard plastic, applying wear to them with a hard surface. Note that real gun safes normally have these pieces padded.

rioalumni05
February 7, 2009, 09:25 AM
i have the stack on 14 gun rsc. got it from dicks for like $120 on sale one time.. it does what i need it to do(keeps guns away from kids and guests) it also came with bolts to secure it to studs or the floor... i havent done that yet, but with ammo and the weight of guns it would be difficult to flip over without effort.. i have found out that unless the guns are on top of each other it would be hard to fit 14 guns in mine.. im not sure if the 8 gun or 16 gun ones are the same i would think so...

Deanimator
February 7, 2009, 09:30 AM
They'll keep small children out. That's about it.

They're trivially easy to break into.

I never even considered one. Stack-On and a Sentry make real gun safes that actually require a minimum of effort to defeat. They're not that expensive, especially if you order on-line from Walmart.

statelineblues
February 7, 2009, 09:50 AM
It also depends whether you live in an apartment or your own home. That can really narrow your choice of safes/lockable cabinets.

devildog4329
February 7, 2009, 09:58 AM
I own a stack on safe and love it. Yeah its not the greastest but it does the job. here is a link check it out. Its a liitle more expensive. If you shop around you can find it for cheaper i bought it last year and got it for $600

Logos
February 7, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have to laugh at some of this silly talk.

I'd like to see one of these geniuses breaking into a metal gun cabinet in ten seconds with his bare hands.

:D :D :D

Come on, use some common sense.

The Lone Haranguer
February 7, 2009, 10:10 AM
It is a poor deal at that price. At that price point, perhaps a little more, you could get a real safe. It is OK for keeping small children out or storing less valuable items like ammo, but would not even slow down a "smash & grab" burglar.

bonza
February 7, 2009, 10:11 AM
I have an 8-gun Homak, which I think is an early Stack-On, at least they look very similar. I bought it some years ago from K-Mart for less than $80. I've been fairly happy with it, but am under no delusions that it's actually a safe.
For the price you mentioned you could do far better. I was at Lowes a couple of days ago & they had a decent looking 'real' safe for $500 or so. Shop around a bit, I'm sure you'll find something more secure than the Stack-On.

FreuderLocks
February 7, 2009, 11:03 AM
I have the most basic 10 gun storage cabinet, this is not a safe, although i welded some heavy steel plate to its outer parts. Still not a real safe though. Since my house is reasonably well secured (I would assume nothing is foolproof) I dont feel too bad about storing some of my less expensive guns in there but if I lived in a less safe neighborhood or had a jerk roommate I would strongly suggest something else. Im the big green box in the corner with guns in it.
-FL

texas bulldog
February 7, 2009, 11:04 AM
i think that there's a terminology issue that's causing some of the wild disagreement in this thread. for instance...

stack-on cabinet: these are made from a fairly thin sheet of steel. when empty, they are very light. i assure you that these can be broken into with minimal effort. the same basic tools a burglar uses to get into your house (screwdriver, hammer, crowbar, etc) can be used to pry the door open in a matter of a few minutes, maybe even seconds. if you've never seen video of a burglar at work, you should google around for some video...it's impressive. we've been burglarized at my workplace before when people were at the store...they got in and out without even being seen (unique situation, but still). trust me, even a "smash-n-grab" type can get into one of these lickety-split. good for protection against children and the honest...that's about it.

example:
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/images/gc-914-5.jpg



residential security container (RSC): these are what i think some here are referring to as a "real" safe. they look like a safe, and they're certainly much heavier than the metal cabinets above. however, beneath a relatively thin layer of steel, the walls and door are actually filled with fiberboard. they may provide (or claim) some fire and/or water resistance, and the interior is certainly gentler on your guns. but an experienced thief can still defeat these relatively quickly, and there's video around to prove this one as well (a quick THR search will lead you to a link). the main difference is that the thief needs better tools, more experience, and just a bit more time to get it done. this one actually will prevent "smash-n-grab" types, unlike the cabinet that can be defeated will little or no expertise, and they're much heavier, which may prevent a thief from just taking the whole thing to work on elsewhere.

example:
http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/elite_safes/images/gsx-836-gr.jpg



actual safe: these will likely cost you a couple grand minimum. while any safe can be defeated with enough time and the right tools, these will take significantly more time than the RSC above and way more time than the steel cabinet. they use much more steel and less fiberboard. for a great run-down on the difference between a safe and a RSC, check out this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=351112) or search for posts by a1abdj, who sells them and has shown a great deal of knowledge in all the various save vs. RSC threads here on THR.

examples:
http://www.ftknox.com/redesign/gun-safe-images/def-fire-gun-safe519.jpg
http://www.sturdysafe.com/4824-5safeopen.jpg

Tully M. Pick
February 7, 2009, 11:24 AM
You'd be better off picking up an industrial metal cabinet that locks for the price they charge for the Stack-On cabinets. You'd get more space with the same level of protection.

ThrottleJockey
February 7, 2009, 02:13 PM
Come to think of it, old metal school lockers are a similar if not better option to stack-on. Also can be purchased very inexpensively and have locks added easily.

DMF
February 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
I have a Stack-On lock box: http://www.stack-on.com/securityplus/gun_cabinets_and_pistol_boxes/gc-900-5.html

However, I not only bolt it to studs in the wall, I have put a lock on the door to the room where it's kept. It won't stop a determined thief, but it should slow down a smash and grab thief enough that he won't bother to take the time to defeat it. It will also deter any overly curious visitors from trying to access my pistols.

It's certainly more secure than a cabinet with easily broken glass.

seale
February 7, 2009, 04:11 PM
A few years ago, my parents gave me a wood & glass gun cabinet (see below). Since then, my collection has grown gradually, to the point that I've run out of room. This is what I have now, as you can see its not that big and easy to outgrow:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/WoodGunCabinet.jpg


I've seen the Stack-On gun cabinets at Cabelas. They look like a good value. I realize that they're not fireproof or waterproof, but its gotta be at least as secure as what I have now.

This is what I'm looking at:



It holds 16 long guns, double doors, and plenty of shelving for handguns and accessories.

Anybody have experience with Stack-On products? Is $550 too much for this? Any recommendations for other safes/cabinets in this price range?Wow, where to start.

1. Take that wooden piece of junk/fire fuel/security risk to an unsupervised range and make it a target.

2. Shop around before you buy the low end metal cabinets. Cabela's is asking a full $300 TOO MUCH for that thing. At the beginning of fall hunting season, wal mart and even kmart carries the 10 gun version for $90. Getting multiples and bolting them together is WAY more secure than your glass door "safe."

moooose102
February 7, 2009, 07:59 PM
stack ons are just fine as long as the ones you are trying to keep away from your guns are your kids and somebody walking through your house. but any theif can get in. he got into your house, that tin safe is going to be just as easy. but, like you said, you are going from a wood and glass cabinette. and that is easier to get into than the stack on. just make certain your home owners insurance is up to date, and you have enough coverage for your guns. if you have a family heirloom, you may want to consider hiding it in a different location, that is really out of the way. when they find the stash, they will quit looking for other guns, unless they have prior knowledge of it.

Rat Robb
February 7, 2009, 08:23 PM
I was at Dicks today buying ski equipment and thought I'd take a look at the safes while I was there.

Found this guy: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3385837

Should I stay away from this style of Stack-On as well or is it just the lower model ones?

Thanks

-Robb

Frog48
February 7, 2009, 08:26 PM
It also depends whether you live in an apartment or your own home.

I live in a 2nd floor apartment, so thats definitely a factor. Once I buy a house of my own, a top quality fire/water proof safe will be one of my first purchases.

They'll keep small children out. That's about it.


That is my primary motivation. I dont have any children of my own, but I have several nieces and nephews that visit regularly.

ThrottleJockey
February 7, 2009, 08:27 PM
That one doesn't look near as bad as most stack-ons. But for that price, I personally IMO would just steer clear of stack-on ALL TOGETHER. As previously stated?, Look at some of the other threads about safes. There is a ton of GOOD info on here about UL ratings, and other variables to consider.

WVMountainBoy
February 8, 2009, 12:46 AM
I have two stack-on products and am happy with them. I live in a mobile home where the floors will not support a true "safe" If you use the bolt down/to ability of the cabinets you should be quite okay as the locks on them would delay or secure the guns from all but the most determined. The biggest part of a "safe" is location, placing it someplace where it is not easily knocked over or where a pry bar can be brought to use. Concealment can be your greatest defense. The time necessary to locate and then negotiate the lock box is more than most criminals are willing to do...if they don't see it, they grab the TV and go most of the time. I almost think a room that they can't get into would invite their interest more than an innocent closet thats "shallow" (stack-on hidden behind a piece of wall panel) My two cents.

WardenWolf
February 8, 2009, 02:27 AM
In my experience, the Stack-Ons always look better in sales photographs than they do in person. They show this nice well-finished metal cabinet with deep green finish. When you walk up to one in person, however, they aren't nearly so refined.

walker944
February 8, 2009, 08:25 AM
My gun collection got a little big over the last few years so I went safe shopping and found this little Stack-On product at Dick's Sporting Goods.

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It's their 36-gun safe that I paid $900 for. Lots of room for all my long guns and handguns. I also bought the Stack-On 14 gun cabinet for all my ammo. Paid $100 at Academy for it.

jon_in_wv
February 8, 2009, 08:46 AM
Who needs guns when you can tear open steel cabinets with your bare hands? Thats just silly.

mio
February 8, 2009, 08:53 AM
i have the 14 gun stack on cabinet. i paid $105 for it on clearence at kmart and it works to keep my guns out of reach of my daughter and her friends.

its not something id store a bunch of high dollar guns in if i was worried about buglery.

Logos
February 8, 2009, 09:14 AM
A plain old lockable wood and glass cabinet will keep your daughter and her friends out.

A locking steel cabinet is obviously a step up and, if properly fastened to studs in a closet, will deter 95% of the people who might break into your house, because they don't have the time to break it open (especially if you have an alarm system).

The other 5% would be professional enough to defeat an alarm system and crack most heavy gun safes.....and how many of us are going to attract criminals of that level of sophistication?

I do agree though, that one must shop around to get the best deal......keeping in mind that steel cabinets are going to offer substantially more square feet of storage per dollar than the heavy gun safes will offer.

I've come to the conclusion that having a dedicated room with a security door for ammo, guns and other collectibles, plus an alarm system, plus metal cabinet storage is the best system for me.

Also important is keeping a low profile about your gun ownership. If you're a yahoo who drives around with NRA bumper stickers and gun racks in your pickup.....well, it's only a matter of time for you.

MinnMooney
February 8, 2009, 09:56 AM
I just love some of the "flipant" replys that some of the folks are putting in this thread. It does absolutely nothing to help the original poster - Grant48.

There are only a handful who are actually trying to help. Texas bulldog put some time and effort into the reply and added some true information to the thread that may help Grant in his search for a cabinet/locker/RSC/safe by describing the differences.

Logos added some good thoughts and tried to slow down the "I'll just post some stupid, flipant reply to get my count up" posters.

Come on, folks. Add some insight or just read and learn.... don't clutter the threads with stupid, flipant remarks, O.K.?

I have a Stack-On RSC (not a cabinet like the one that Grant has a picture of. Mine is fire rated so that would help some if the house burned down and it's in the basement where most house fires rarely do extensive damage. (My neighbor's dad is an insurance investigator and told us that the very best place to store something that you don't want burned in a house fire is in the basement, raised a foot or more above the floor - (water).)

My only problem with this RSC is the electronic lock. It took me a very long time to get past it's idiocincracy of not liking the code. I found that I had to punch the keys fast otherwise it registered a double hit so a combo of, say, 1-2-3-4-5 became 1-2-2-3-4-4-5 or some such unrecognisable code. The only way that the company would fix it was for ME to disassemble it, mail it to the company and then re-install the repaired lock. I guess for $450 they don't have the best warranty.

P.S. Mine is a "14-gun RSC" but it's extremely difficult to fit 14 guns and still have most of them handy. It takes a while to get a back-row, scoped rifle out or back in. If all of the guns were open-sight guns - no problem.

onebigelf
February 8, 2009, 12:40 PM
The stack-on cabinets are not THAT thin. Mine measures out as 8ga. Is it a safe, no. Is it more secure than a glass and wood cabinet, sure. Especially in a closet where the crook can't really get at it to get leverage. It also keeps my stuff secure from kids and the curious when I have a party. A simple addition of a bar, a couple of hasps, and a couple of real good padlocks upgrades it significantly for about $15. That said, I got mine much cheaper than that due to some gift cards from work. Lots of "If you haven't got the super-safe "I'VE" got, it's ****" going on here. That's not horribly helpful. Some of these posts are damn near, "If it's not in a full safe you might as well just put them out on the porch with a sign saying FREE GUNS".

PFFFFTTTHHHHHHPBBBB!!!!

John

theotherwaldo
February 8, 2009, 01:23 PM
The steel shell of a StackOn cabinet is about the same as that of most of the fire-rated gun "safes" on the market. If you want to pay $500 for some added gypsum board and carpeting, that's up to you. All I know is that my trailer floor won't hold a real safe, most fire-rated safes are pretty useless, and simple steel cabinets will stop most amateurs. So I went with the steel box.

iafirebuff
February 8, 2009, 01:54 PM
I have the Stack-On cabinet that holds 8 long guns and then I have the cabinet that goes on top of it. I have them bolted together, bolted to the floor and wall. It is in a closet and I keep ammo in the top cabinet and the long guns and hand guns in the bottom part. I have about $130 wrapped up in it (bought on sale), and serves my purpose will. I am thinking about mounting a piece of pegboard to the side of the long gun cabinet to hang pistols from.

Tinker2
February 8, 2009, 07:17 PM
Buy a inexpensive safe, bolt it to the wall and floor. Then fill it
with concrete to the top and weld it closed.

Hide your guns some where else.

Logos
February 8, 2009, 08:20 PM
Tinker may have something!

:D

BBQLS1
February 9, 2009, 11:34 AM
I bought one this weekend. IMO, the sheet metal ain't all that thin, I'd love to see someone open it with their bare hands.

Put it in a corner that will make it difficult to use a crowbar and bolt it in place.

Eventually, I'll buy a real safe, but I live in an apartment now and this will work great for it. Any thief that can get into this safe quickly, will look for a better target to rob.

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