what is the cheapest 9mm or .45 acp thats actually decent (just reliable)


February 10, 2009, 11:27 AM
my brother wants a pistol in one of these calibers (maybe a revolver in 38 spc. or .357 mag.) It needs to be cheap and reliable. And also full size or close to it. cheap is $150-$600, preferably $400 and below.

Thanks again!

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February 10, 2009, 11:33 AM
Hi-Points are $200 and have a transferable, lifetime warranty. They work well, too.

February 10, 2009, 11:35 AM
Sig P6 (used) and Rock Island Tanfoglio pistols (new) both are around $300-350 and CDNN has SW 3 GEN police trade ins for the same price range.

Thomas Garrett
February 10, 2009, 12:09 PM
I've got a Ruger Security Six, 4", 357 magnum i might sell. Full size, can shoot .357 or .38 Special, i even have a police belt, holster, round holders with it.

February 10, 2009, 12:18 PM
9mm: Smith and Wesson Sigma or Stoeger Cougar should serve you well.

45: Perhaps a Ruger P90 / P345 or an FN P45. Rock Island Armory's 1911s would probably be a bit cheaper.

February 10, 2009, 12:28 PM
I'd say anything Ruger or the Sigma.

Look into the Ruger p95 and p345.

Duke of Doubt
February 10, 2009, 12:40 PM
Used Smith & Wesson Model 10 revolvers, like from cop trade ins, may be had in decent shape with perfect mechanicals for about $200 even today.

Beretta 92FS pistols, sometimes from police trade ins, may be had for $350 around here, in 99% plus with original case and extra magazine.

February 10, 2009, 12:47 PM
I bought my Hi-Point for $80 IIRC.
It hasn't failed at all, with any type of ammo I've fed it.
However, my wife was able to limp-wrist it into jamming a couple times.

February 10, 2009, 01:00 PM
Ruger P series pistols are among the most reliable and durable autoloading handguns money can buy.
Not thin or pretty, but damn good for the money.

Better than a High Point (cheap and heavy blowback) , better than a Sigma (cheap imitation Glock)

P95s are under $300 new if you shop around...

February 10, 2009, 01:21 PM
smith and wesson trade ins at summitgunbroker,best deal around if he aint sold out,cheap glocks too.

February 10, 2009, 05:07 PM
A used (or new) Glock 19, 17, or 21. You can find used ones many times for under $400 and new ones for under the $600 ceiling you gave.

Duke of Doubt
February 10, 2009, 06:05 PM
I guess ... but it's a Glock.

February 10, 2009, 06:33 PM
Cheap and reliable, huh? From my experience, the Hi-Point is reliable and backed by a great warranty. If it is all you can afford it will work. The older Ruger polymer autos can be found cheap used. I have a P95 and P97 and they are rugged, reliable and reasonably accurate. In a small gun, I like the Kel-Tecs, I have the P3-AT and the P11. They both have a lot of rounds through them and have been very reliable. I wore out the first P3-AT I had and the factory replaced it free, so I am a fan of their warranty. I have 2 Rock Islands and love both of them. The GI feeds anything. I blew up the compact with an accidental overload and the factory rebuilt it at a reasonable cost. I have heard good things about their warranty, but haven't had any reason to use it. I've got some revolvers, but most are big bore and while I got deals on them used, you'd have to reload to afford to shoot them. I do have a Ruger Security Six that's been a rugged piece. If you can find one at a reasonable cost it might be a good choice, I wouldn't pay over $250 myself, but I may be out of touch. I have several friends that like their Taurus snubbies in .357, but I don't own one, so I have no personal experience with them. I do have a Taurus Millennium Pro in .40 that I like quite well, but the sights are tricky for me and The firing pin channel must be kept clean or you can get light primer strikes.
I have had 2 girl friends with Bersa .380s that were very pleased with their guns and Bersa does make compact models in larger calibers. Okay, I am all adviced out.

February 10, 2009, 06:46 PM
yes you're right - its a Glock.

Probably the most reliable handgun on the planet. Thats what he was asking about. Not the most fun to shoot, not the best looking...but its got reliability and simplicity down..

Look for a used Glock - often in the mid 300's

New G19/17/22/23/26 are $499 around here (NY Metro)

February 10, 2009, 06:47 PM
Smith & Wesson M&P. $469. Click here (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/39_71/products_id/38991).

Great pistols at a pretty decent price IMO. Not the cheapest that will function, but it's the best value I think. Reliable, shoots well, and is not terribly expensive.


Duke of Doubt
February 10, 2009, 07:17 PM
CTPistol: "Probably the most reliable handgun on the planet. Thats what he was asking about. Not the most fun to shoot, not the best looking...but its got reliability and simplicity down.."

Maybe. I'll take the Beretta 92FS. Our Army evaluated the Glock, and found it wanting on a number of counts. No striker-fired 9mm for me; last plastic pistol I owned shot water.

February 10, 2009, 08:02 PM
+1 for Duke...LOL

The only polymer pistol I "tolerate" is my Kel-Tec P-11...because its lighteness, the size and the "emergency" use only.

I "tried" twice to buy a Glock 20 because I wanted so bad a high capacity, reliable and "full-house" power capable 10 mm Auto..I did handle it...played with it a bit...could not do it....

I agree on the Beretta...one of the most formidable service pistols out there..a bit too big in size...bute very very reliable and accurate.

February 10, 2009, 08:06 PM
Paid $300 new in the box for my Daewoo 9mm. Very reliable. http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=432&Category_Code=FIREARMS+H+D

February 10, 2009, 08:08 PM
At the mid $400 level, consider a CZ-75B, reliable and superb ergonomics

February 10, 2009, 08:09 PM
used gun or new hi point

February 10, 2009, 08:10 PM
Ah I see Duke - the army makes the best decisions.

Im not a huge fan of plastic pistols either, but please dont tell me you want to challenge the reliability of Glocks? ;)

The guy was asking about an inexpensive, RELIABLE pistol.

Yes, these days many pistols are "plastic" and might remind ya old fellers of yer ole squirtguns....:)

but they DO fit the bill when it comes to inexpensive, quality, and reliable.

Glock, XD, SWM&P, etc, etc...have shot/owned em all - despite the internet fanboys, they all seem the exact same to me - a plastic reliable gun for 3-600 bucks.

February 10, 2009, 08:19 PM
Ruger P95.

February 10, 2009, 08:30 PM

A Ruger or a Bersa are as reliable as Glock if not more, cost less and have with all the "bells and whistles" (DA/SA, external hammer, ambi-dx decocker/safety, round in the chamber indicator) that a Glock lacks...

Why not???


Nobody question the reliability of Glocks...personally I just do not like them from an aesthetic and functional point of view..

February 10, 2009, 09:09 PM
For under $400 you can't go wrong with the Smith & Wesson SW9VE. It does have a heavy trigger, but if you can shoot a heavy DA trigger, you can shoot anything.

He should save up an extra $150 and get the M&P9. This is a gun that is equally proficient at either daily carry or a local IDPA shooting match.

February 10, 2009, 09:38 PM
Well for $400 you have a lot of options. That puts you in the used Glock and Beretta range.

The best 9mms full sized pistols are the Glock 17 and Beretta 92fs. If he wants a full sized reliable and well made 9mm, they don't come much better than these two.

February 10, 2009, 11:35 PM
I still think one of the best steals in recent years is the FEG PJK-9HP. I bought one a few years ago for 225 bucks. It has been very very reliable and at 50 yards I can shoot a group I can cover with my hand. The bluing on the weapon is gorgeous and its a fine shooter. You can still find them occasionally for around 200-250

February 10, 2009, 11:49 PM
The Sig P6 seems like the best deal on a 9mm if you can still find one.

Otherwise a Glock 17, Glock 19, Glock 21, Springfield XD. And of course the 1911. Look for a used Springfield Milspec. Charles Daly seems to be really stepping up their committment to service.

To go cheaper, check out the Ruger P-Series. Suprisingly great trigger, although I don't like the grip and the way the magazine catches.

February 11, 2009, 12:04 AM
Here's a picture of the Stoeger Cougar I mentioned.


15+1 rounds of 9mm at your disposal in DA/SA mode. One minor quirk about this gun: the manual safety is flipped UP for fire and DOWN for safe, which may or may not be what you are used to.
This is essentially the same thing as the formerly produced Beretta Cougar. It's made on the same tooling and Beretta is the parent company of Stoeger, which produces the pistol in Turkey.

This can be had new for $400 or less. IMO it's one of the best values in autoloaders today.

February 11, 2009, 01:15 AM
go to coles distrubiting online,go under used handguns,berettas and smiths and cz copie tanfoglio ta 90s and lots more real cheap.cool site.

February 11, 2009, 01:23 AM
+10000000000 on the stoeger cougar. For the criteria you mentioned it can't be beat (for a new gun of course). Got mine for less then 400 and it outshoots my g17 every time i go out. Fit and finish is nothing short of the ones Beretta made.

February 11, 2009, 05:01 AM
I will always go for the Beretta 92fs with the exception if you going to CCW. As far as the glock goes I don't like them but with so many using them I'm sure they are very good. either of these two will serve you well the only thing is if you decide to get a smaller weapon down the road you could stay with the glock and still use all your magazines you have as the one's from the bigger weapons will fit into the smaller ones of same caliber. Beretta have nothing that come close to that. For me when I go smaller I like the s&w 642 in .38 spl. so that is an non issue to me.

be safe

February 11, 2009, 09:00 AM
Have a look at http://www.centerfiresystems.com/allguns.aspx
They have some awesome deals on 9mm. Personally, I prefer the Steyr M9 over all of them but the MAPP1 appears to be a direct clone of the EAA Witness or CZ.

Rock Island Armory MAPP1 $349 (Polymer)

Rock Island Armory MAP1 $349 (Steel)

S&W/Walther SW99 $349

Steyr M9-A1 $359

February 11, 2009, 09:24 AM
Beretta 92FS


SA XD9 or XD45

test drive
February 11, 2009, 09:58 AM
used Rugers is what i would be looking at;)

February 11, 2009, 10:26 AM
Also you could see if you can find a CZ 40B, I know you said 9mm or .45, but I bought mine for $289+$10 shipping+$10-20 transfer (ordinarily it's $20 but I was transferring three guns at once, think I got some discount or other), $310 get you one of the best pistols that should have become a regular production item. Takes fullsize CZ .40 mags.

February 11, 2009, 10:39 AM
Ruger P95, Springfield XD9, Glock 17 or 19. All of these can be had for under $400 new or used.

February 11, 2009, 10:42 AM
Ruger P95; in all-black they are selling for $300 locally.

February 12, 2009, 12:36 PM
Since $ is important here, I'd have him take a look at .45 acp ammo prices v. 9 mm ammo prices before he buys. The more ammo he can afford, the more he'll shoot. Having said that, I second the Ruger P95 or P89. Reliable and handle cheap ammo.

February 12, 2009, 09:53 PM
Well, with a $400-$600 max, he has a LOT of choices, and not just in the traditional cheap-seats (HiPoint, Bersa, etc).

I always recommend looking at used guns when on a budget, but you can get a lemon (happened to me 2x). A used or new Glock could be a great choice, or a Rock Island Tactical 1911. Used Berettas or Rugers would be other good choices. Finally, there will be many used revolvers in that price range.

Make a list of contenders, then get the brother to a large gun shop or gun show to handle all the candidates. It will ultimately be the only way to decide.

February 13, 2009, 07:18 AM
I'd find a trade in or used Glock (an advantage of them being used by zillions of police departments-cheap trade ins). They may not be pretty or fancy, but you can count on them to do what they are supposed to do.

February 13, 2009, 08:57 AM
Out riding yesterday and stopped by fishing/sport store. He had new Hi-Point 9mm in case and it came home with me for $159 plus tax. Darn thing is more accurate than I am, with no malfunctions. Only 9mm i own as I'm primarily a 1911 guy, but curiosity got best of me after
reading so many people reporting good results with these
cheap firearms. They were right! :) Sorta wish I had got the 45 since I reload those, but they are surely one big hunk of metal/plastic.

February 13, 2009, 07:22 PM
Probably a Hi-Point but I would save for a used Ruger P95.

Travis Bickle
February 13, 2009, 09:12 PM
Another vote here for the Ruger Ps. IMO, they're one of the best values on the gun market.

February 13, 2009, 09:17 PM
Bersa Thunder...they come in both 9 and 45...great guns.

February 13, 2009, 11:05 PM
another vote for hi point if you are on a limited budget. I just got back from the range shooting my hi point and it was great.

If your budget is over $150 many others have mentioned a lot of good ideas as well.

February 14, 2009, 03:34 AM
Stay away from Hi-Point. Spend the little extra and go with a Glock. They are ALOT better quality. I would also reccomend going with a 45.
Here are some model numbers you may want to look at.

Glock 17 - Full Size 9mm
Glock 19 - Medium Size 9mm
Glock 26 - Compact 9mm
Glock 34 - Tactical 9mm (long slide)

Glock 21 - Full Size 45
Glock 21SF - Slim Fame 45
Glock 30 - Medium 45
Glock 36 - Compact Single Stack 45

February 14, 2009, 01:22 PM
Any 3rd generation S&W. Lots of police dept trade-ins around.

Poor East Texan
February 14, 2009, 01:29 PM
If A: I weren't broke and B: Lived in Florida I'd be all over that Ruger Security Six!

Nicest revolver I ever shot was one of those!

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