Went to range with XDm 9mm and it was terrible. What am I doing wrong? w/video


February 11, 2009, 12:16 AM
Well, I need some serious input, suggestions and ideas on what this gun noob is doing wrong here, which is probably everything. I took my new Springfield XDm 9mm to its 3rd time to my local range today and attempted to practice some more. Lately, i've been shooting at a target around 37 feet away but my accuracy has been terrible as my previous vids will show.

Today I decided to get up closer to my target like I should have in the first place. I was firing Blazer Brass brass 9mm JSP. I was using both eyes and keeping my 3 dots as level as I could before firing. I was trying to stay cautious and avoid *twitching* before the shot as I'm still getting used to firing a gun of this caliber.

Needless to say, it wasn't pretty. I"ll let the video do the rest of the talking. Help a gun noob out please?


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February 11, 2009, 12:49 AM
Okay, I'm a novice too, but here goes...

It looks like your grip is a little loose. How tight is the web between your right thumb and 1st finger pressing against the beaver tail? It should be very tight. Also your thumbs should be paralell to the barrell and pointed at the target. Tightening the web of your right hand against the beaver tail should help.

It looks like your elbows might be bent a little. I think you might want to try straighting your elbows a little more, almost locking them.

I can't really see what your trigger finger is doing, but make sure you're squeezing the trigger smoothly with the pad of your finger (the part directly behind your fingernail, not the joint).

I also think you might be heeling a bit (anticipating recoil by pushing forward with the palm of your hand). Are you missing high? Try dry firing......load your mags with 2 or 3 dummy rounds mixed in with the live ones and see if your sights stay steady when you pull the trigger. If they don't, concenctrate on smooth trigger pull and avoid any flinching.

Also, focus only on the front site, not the target. Cover the target with your front sight but keep the sight in focus.

There's nothing to be embarassed about, shooting a pistol accurately is not easy.

Please check out this video and watch his technique:


Best of luck, and since I'm a novice too anyone should feel free to correct my advice if you feel its incorrect.

February 11, 2009, 12:58 AM
I agree with the above post.

You may want to try a different brand of pistol to see if you get similar results.

February 11, 2009, 01:15 AM
Also, try pulling the trigger back as slowly as you can without ever stopping it. "one hair at a time" as TJ likes to say. When you move it that slowly you won't be able to predict when the gun will fire so you won't tense up in anticipation. Try and surprise yourself when the gun goes off. When I use the proper grip & stance, and squeeze slowly, it's pretty amazing how much of an improvement I see.....the trick comes in when you try to speed up the process and stay accurate, but I wouldn't worry about that for now, just try to be accurate in slow fire.

Here's a good article


Also, I agree with what the folks on TFL were sayig abut distances. I do almost all my shooting at 7 yards. It's easier to see what you're doing wrong at those distance since at least you'll probably be hitting the target. I change it up with some shots at 3, 15, an 25 yards but 80%+ of what I do for practice is at 7 yards. Maybe someday I will do more of my shooting at 25+ but I've got a long way to go before I get there.

Get bigger targets too, if you can. That way when you do miss at least you will have a better chance of seeing where it's going.

On the plus side, it looks like you're drilling it pretty good when you step up to about 10ft.

February 11, 2009, 01:37 AM
Funny....by best buddy also had a Springfield XD 9mm and had a ton of trouble with it. Design issues?? Maybe, but some basic changes and he was able to really shore up his groups.

I'm not impressed with how "tall" the slide is on the XD.....

February 11, 2009, 01:37 AM
You asked.
It appears you've had little training with stance, grip and most importantly safety.

All firearms, loaded, unloaded, out of ammo, or broken are pointed down range; NOT at the cameraman. I even cringed when the barrel was pointed at me-the viewer.

In one series you put most of weight on your left foot. You then switched and put your weight on the right. You need a method to maintain good balance and comfort while shooting.

Watching film we can't see your sight picture and trigger pull. Look at the target ( specifically at a very small point--1" max). Line up your sights, look again at the specific point you want to hit on that target, focus on the front sight, target, front sight , shoot. Use a smooth trigger press with the pad of your trigger finger- not the joint.

P.S> Being closer doesn't improve your shooting, it hides your mistakes. Try about ten yards and look for a VERY tight group.

I recommend you GOOGLE "Todd Jarret pistol Grip Lesson". I couldn't find my link to it, be he shows and explains one popular method to grip a pistol that works for many/most shooters with minor variations.
It is a good video and training aid.

If we could see your hits we might be able to give more help.

Good luck and Shoot SAFE.

February 11, 2009, 01:51 AM
Cool post.
The one thing that helped me with pistol shooting is starting out closer ranges (7-10 yards). This helped me make small adjustments and still stay on target. Also, realize that your trigger pull and the movements that surround it, will probably be the most important aspect of accuracy with your handgun.

February 11, 2009, 01:56 AM
"It looks like your elbows might be bent a little. I think you might want to try straighting your elbows a little more, almost locking them."

I agree,,,, The heavy jacket might be preventing you from holding your arms straight out. That and smooth trigger control should help alot.

February 11, 2009, 02:12 AM
Man, I could really use Todd Jarret or Rob Leatham standing next to me at this point....

February 11, 2009, 02:23 AM
all these suggestions seem spot on, that video of jarrett is just nuts.

anyway, the one thing i would add would be to use a larger target. at least that way you can keep it on the paper to see where your misses tend to be. it will help you address your shortcomings if you have a more detailed view of your shooting results.

February 11, 2009, 02:26 AM
all these suggestions seem spot on, that video of jarrett is just nuts.

anyway, the one thing i would add would be to use a larger target. at least that way you can keep it on the paper to see where your misses tend to be. it will help you address your shortcomings if you have a more detailed view of your shooting results.

I know, he moves and shoots like a farking Terminator.

My GF's dad suggested the same thing. Get a big ass piece of cardboard and see where your shots are landing.

February 11, 2009, 02:38 AM
you said "using both eye's"...does that mean you're trying to "aim with both eyes? do you know which is your dominant eye?

you should shoot with both eyes open but only be aligning the sights with your dominant eye.

you said "keeping the 3 dots level"...that tells me that you're switching your focus back nd forth between the front and rear sights.

the other thing is that it is self defeating to try to align your sights by aligning the 3 dots. you should be trying to have to top of the front sight level with the top of the rear blade. there should be an equal amount of light, in the rear notch, on either side of the front blade.

there's no sense working on your stance or grip or trigger control until you get the sight alignment down.

get a free copy of Bruce Gray's Dryfire packet by going to www.GraygunsTraining.com. go to the Dry Fire Packet tab and ping the link. it will automatically send you the Packet

February 11, 2009, 03:41 AM
Man, I could really use Todd Jarret or Rob Leatham standing next to me at this point....

The next best thing would be to take a handgun training class by somebody in your area (within any reasonable distance)...an experienced and certified trainer standing beside you can see things we can't, he can better illustrate how to fix any problems you may have with "the Fundamentals" (grip, stance, trigger control, etc.)<<< that's what you're doing wrong.

I won't even attempt to explain it in detail here...but the most obvious thing that you're doing wrong is your stance...you're standing up (even leaning back a little at times), you're not distributing your weight.

You should be bending your knees, leaning just a tad forward, with weight on both feet and one foot a tad in front of the other (which foot in front depends on which way you're planning on moving after the shot)....that makes you a more stable platform.

I mean no offense at all...but you need an instructor, as willing as I am to help, it just can't be done on here. I'm not a certified trainer anyway...but I have had professional training. I have been around guns all of my life, all types of guns...but when I got serious about CCW, I figured out in a hurry that I needed training and lots of practice before I was going to be accurate under stress.

Its easier to start off on the right foot and learn the "correct way" than it is to unlearn the bad habits you will teach yourself.

February 11, 2009, 04:14 AM
And don't be embarrassed...you're doing the right thing by seeking help...but you're looking in the wrong place.

I don't mean any offense to THR...but "The Fundamentals" can't be taught or learned from a keyboard.

I don't think anything is wrong with your pistol...I have one just like it. The XD's are not super accurate...but at 10 yards I can empty the mag into a paper plate in just a few seconds.

February 11, 2009, 08:18 AM
A pistol is a weapon. That means that when you practice you should practice like you are fighting.
What do you do when you fight? Assume a fighting stance.
Left foot slightly forward, leaning slightly forward at the waist.
Pretend that you are in a boxing match. That's the stance.
It appears to me that you are kind of shooting an isosceles stance.
If that is the case, assuming a more aggressive stance will place your shoulders and more of your body mass behind the weapon providing a more stable platform.
You aren't likely to have to shoot a pistol in the real world at the first distance in your video. If you are that far, you can run away.
For starting out, about 3 yards is more appropriate.

Safety issues duly noted, and you have been properly chastised.

Stop treating that weapon like it is grampaw's watch. When you put that magazine in the weapon, slam it home with authority. When you rack the slide, first make sure it is pointed down range, and rack it like you are trying to break it. In your video, it was an "oopsie". In a real situation, it would likely be RIP.

Frankly, the pistol is arguably the most difficult weapon to master. The very best thing you could do is to get some good professional instruction.

I know it seems expensive, but believe me, if you are serious about learning to shoot a pistol well, it is worth it. Until you have received some good instruction, you really don't even know how much you don't know.

In spite of the fact that I can't restrain myself from spewing advice, ridgerunner is right. You aren't likely to fix your issues on an Internet forum.

February 11, 2009, 08:37 AM

BRING that target in to about 1/3 the distance you are shooting now. People who have shot thousands of rounds through their pistols will have trouble at that distance.

9mm is not a big recoil round but you want to lean into it a bit.

When aiming, you should have the FRONT sight post focused. The rear sight and target should be blurry.

and please insert the magazine like its a firearm, not Mi-ma's tea set. ( Had to say it ) :scrutiny:

I believe that some practice will do you good. That design is excellent and once it loosens up your accuracy should improve.

Do you dry fire?

PS: I have not read the other posts yet, but will now

February 11, 2009, 08:43 AM
After watching the video I had a few thoughts. First, you are being too gentle with the gun. It is a tool and is built for use. Don't be scared of it and don't treat itlike its made of glass. Let it become an extension of your hand and slap the mag in. This will come with time, use and familiarity.

The second thing, and I think this is as important, When you are holding the gun at the #2 or "ready" position you want to be able to see the front sight at eye level. The target should be blurry in the background. When you move to the #3 position you need to "PUNCH OUT" instead of "Cast". When you are moving the gun you are doing it as if you are casting a fishing pole out. That takes the focus off the sight and you lose your target. Try punching straight out toward your target in a straight line. Make sure you know which eye is your dominant eye and use it to focus. Try to keep both eyes open and don't get in the habit of closing one eye.

February 11, 2009, 09:08 AM
First off thanks for being honest by asking for help and showing your mistakes [the mag falling out]. How are you squeezing the trigger? Try to squeez it slowly. How much finger is on the trigger? I think if there is too much finger then it pulls out. Too little finger it pulls in or maybe the oposite. Try differant stances. You are switching feet. The left one is in front then the right. It looks like you are right handed so try this. Your right foot back and your left foot pointing towards the target about sholder width apart. Have your sholders/hips turned at about 45 degree angle. I hope this helps. And if you are still having trouble with the weapon you can send it to me:]

February 11, 2009, 11:45 AM
After looking at that video, guys like you scare me when I go to the range and you are in a lane next to me. First, research, read, and watch videos, magazines, and other shooters at the range. Shooting is easy if you practice and absorb what you see from as I said: Reading and watching.

February 11, 2009, 11:56 AM
the suggestions here are great and they will help you out, but at the same time it would be very helpful to you if you attended a training course of some kind.

i can recommend TDI Ohio, Blackwater, Tactical Response, and last but definetly not least Rob Pincus and the CFS program.

February 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
I have not been dry firing as I hear it ruins the gun, and those dry fire ammo are so expensive, but I may not have a choice.

February 11, 2009, 12:50 PM
have not been dry firing as I hear it ruins the gun

Freezebyte, dry fire a springfield XD all day long. Nothing will be damaged. It is probably a good idea to not let the slide fly forward with an empty chamber. Just ride it manually forward. You will only have to pull it back far enough to reset the trigger, and not all the way back to slide lock.

**** Make sure the mags and ammo are in a different room!

Steve C
February 11, 2009, 12:53 PM
Read the Army PISTOL MARKSMANSHIP TRAINING GUIDE (http://www.bullseyepistol.com/amucover.htm). Then read and download the chart on Error Analysis and Correction (http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm).

Click on the "home" page link and read any of the articles under "Perfecting Technique".

February 11, 2009, 01:04 PM
Check out some of these videos. It's Jerry Miculek explaining basic stance grip and target acquisition. he's shooting a revolver but the concepts are still pretty much the same.


Also, look for the user expertvillage on youtube. He's got some more videos using an autoloader that explains grip, stance, etc.

February 11, 2009, 01:12 PM
Wow! Slap that mag in there good! It takes alot of practice so dont feel bad about it. When i first got my Glock 17 i couldnt hit anything but once you get a few hundred rounds through it you should have a better feel.

February 11, 2009, 01:12 PM
I would also second the training with Rob Pincus. He also has some great videos if you don't have extra cash for the training. This is personal defense focus shooting, but a lot of the tips will carry over to target shooting. Consistent grip, consistent stance and becoming more familiar with your firearm will all help.


You are cautious with your firearms, which isn't a bad thing. Just don't let it control you. Dry practice will make you more familiar with handling of the weapon which will make you more confident and proficient at the range. I also noticed that when you were initially putting the magazine into the pistol, you had all your finger wrapped around the grip. I would suggest you get a good solid firing grip (index finger off to the side of the slide) when you are loading your pistol. This is the position you want your hand to be when you are getting ready to fire. Load here also. It will also help you keep a higher grip on the backstrap. When your index finger is underneath the trigger guard it puts your whole hand position out of alignment.

February 11, 2009, 01:58 PM
So, when im gripping the pistol, is it a light but firm grip or do I need to be basically attempting to crush the gun in my hands? That gets tiring really quick....

February 11, 2009, 02:26 PM
Your grip should be firm, no white knuckles though. Try this... It looks like you've got your hands in the right spot, keep your thumbs side by side, let the fingers of your support hand lay over your firing hand. Now in your video it looked like you had your elbows pointing down. Turn your elbows so they face almost straight out at your sides, arms slightly bent. Take a step back with your firing side leg. Lean forward slightly and you are in the isosceles position.

Here's the part most important here.. With your FIRING hand, push forward slightly against the naturally created rearward pull of your SUPPORT hand. It should be about a 60/40 ratio, 60 firing hand, 40 support hand. That creates isometric something or other (brain fart on the actual terminology) that will stabilize your shot as well as control the recoil for quicker follow up shots... all without the arm strain.

Hope this helps.

February 11, 2009, 02:41 PM
Firm but tight is a good way to do it. Anytime you are doing something with the pistol (shooting/loading/chamber check) you should tighten up a bit on the hold. You should have a good tight grip while that magazine is going in. That will prevent the gun from slipping away when you smack the mag home.

I saw in interesting technique on "The Best Defense" last friday. This is the show on the Outdoor Channel (friday I think??). Anyway, they were out on the range and the guy loaded his pistol and did two extra taps on the magazine just before he did a chamber check. It was pretty slick.

February 11, 2009, 02:46 PM
I don't have anything to add because the advice you've been given is pretty complete.

I will say this, posting a video of you shooting is the EASIEST way to show the situation and the quality of answers shows that.

Anyways, good on ya for the video and seeking advice. :)

Just One Shot
February 11, 2009, 03:06 PM
It's good to see you seeking advice instead of trying to make it on your own. You have already recieved alot of good advice and I agree with what has already been posted.

My suggestions (some of which has already been covered) would include:

First and foremost you need to learn how to SAFELY handle your firearm. Never ever point the muzzle anywhere but down range unless it's something you intend to shoot.

1. Start off at 7-10 yards until you get good groups on a regular basis. Most altercations will be up close and personal and you need to be able to deal with a close up threat. You can increase the distance as you become proficient at the closer range. Ad 4-5 feet each time and stay at that distance until you get it down. Be patient, it may take a few trips to the range before you are comfortable at each distance.

2. Get a grip. It's hard to tell but it seems as if you are relaxing your grip between shots. Work on getting a good grasp on your weapon and don't let up until the mag is empty. Do an online search for the proper way to hold it and practice until you grab it the same way every time you touch it.

3. Stand your ground. You really need to stop all the shuffling around while you are shooting. Try standing with your left leg slightly forward. Along with this you should lean your upper torso toward the target and roll your shoulders forward slightly, this will place your center of gravity between your two feet. You need a firm foundation to be able to have consistant group. Maintain your stance until the mag is empty. Later on you can learn how to fire on the move.

4. Get the proper sight picture. Again, do an online search and learn what is and isn't the proper way to line up your sights. You must know where your front sight is in relation to the rear on each and every shot. This is one of the most overlooked part for many new shooters. Try to focus on the front sight and not the target.

5. Squeeze the trigger. Use the pad of your index finger to draw the trigger home. Don't jerk or try to anticipate the recoil. If you have a firm grip it's not going to do anything you don't want it to.

6. Practice, practice, practice. Get to the range as often as you can. You need to get comfortable with your weapon. Go out and buy some snap caps and when you can't go to the range dry fire it at home on a regular basis. Practice getting the proper grip and sight picture each time you handle it. Remember, smooth is fast. If you can be smooth with your draw, target acquisition and trigger pull, the speed will come.

7. Finally, I recommend you search your area for an NRA certified instructor that can give you some one on one direction. After taking the basic course seek out a trainer that teaches defensive handgun technics. Learning the proper technics now will prevent you from developing bad habits that are harder to get rid of down the road.

Good luck and welcome to the board!

February 11, 2009, 03:10 PM
Thanks all, this has been good incite. I feel bottom line that I'm only going to improve so much until I have a trained proffesional with me to correct my bad habits on the spot and replace them with the correct way. Sucks I'll have to wait till winter is over with before that happens....

February 11, 2009, 03:24 PM

I enjoy your videos. You've received good advice here but what you really need is some one on one instruction.

Good luck!

I even cringed when the barrel was pointed at me-the viewer.

You're kidding right? If not, chill. Everytime he pointed the gun at the camera the slide was locked to the rear.

February 11, 2009, 03:32 PM
You're getting tons of advice on grip stance, practice etc.

One thing I noticed from your video, you said it hurt your ears firing from the table. Here's a piece of advice you will hardly ever hear but helps a lot. Use ear plugs AND your ear muffs, if you don't already. Double up. I shoot at an indoor range alot and once I started using earplugs AND the ear muffs, I was able to settle down a little and start shooting better. Newbies especially are prone to being jittery from the noise and recoil.
I figured this out when I was constantly surrounded by .300 win mags and short barrel carbines at the range. Once I blocked out the noise from my own gun and those around me I was able to settle down and shoot a lot better. Just a thought.

Just One Shot
February 11, 2009, 03:42 PM
I have a question for you, do you keep your eyes open?

Some people actually close their eyes in anticipation of the report from their firearm. You would be surprised at how many people do this without even knowing it. If you do, you will never be accurate.

Next time you go to the range set your camera up towards the front so you can see your face when firing. Be sure to set it up at an angle, I wouldn't want you to ruin a perfectly good camera. ;)

February 11, 2009, 03:54 PM
Its all about your front sight.Please try using one eye closed method,it takes alot of practice to use both eyes with a pistol.Also if you are looking to see where you hit between shots DON'T you will throw off your shot.Good luck and keep us posted.Also you seemed confused on the amount of grip try pushing the pistol with your right hand and pulling it with your left.

February 11, 2009, 07:24 PM
You're kidding right? If not, chill. Everytime he pointed the gun at the camera the slide was locked to the rear.

I don't recall me ever pointing the gun at the camera and even if I did, it was on a tripod on auto, no person was behind it.

February 11, 2009, 09:04 PM
After looking at that video, guys like you scare me when I go to the range and you are in a lane next to me. First, research, read, and watch videos, magazines, and other shooters at the range. Shooting is easy if you practice and absorb what you see from as I said: Reading and watching.
Seriously? :rolleyes:


February 11, 2009, 11:19 PM
I hope you don't take this personally. Someone who is a computer expert can find tons of material on how to shoot a pistol on the Net. Instead of wasting time creating and editing videos, please buy a book on markmanship on Amazon and read it.

P.S. Someone posted a video on youtube asking everyone how to field strip a Ruger 95/94.:rolleyes: The manual is available in the very first page of a Google/Yahoo/MSN search. I always wonder why people who have the ability to upload videos on Youtube can't do a frigging search.:banghead:

February 11, 2009, 11:21 PM
You looked like you were looking over your sights. my wife does the same thing. she shoots very high at 7 yards. Your shots looked high also. Make sure your sights are lined up even with your eyes. You did a lot of shuffling around and changing your grip on your gun. Like one guy said, try shutting your other eye. you could be using it instead of the right eye.

good luck


February 12, 2009, 12:42 AM
Re Pointing the gun "up Range".

I wasn't trying to be a wise @ss.
Habits are formed when you first start to shoot.

Safety should be the first and primary concern.

Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot.

The advice to get some good instruction is right on.

It's harder to "unlearn" bad habits, than to learn good habits to start with.

You will really enjoy the progress you make with your shooting.

Dean Williams
February 12, 2009, 01:45 AM
Freezebyte, you've received so much advise here, (and most of it was even polite!), I'll just add a few comments.

Work on safety and make it a religion.

For your girp, hold it like you're holding a hammer. You don't need to choke it, but you need to be the boss, if you know what I mean.

You need to see how a competent shooter stands to understand what you need to do.

If you want to practice a lot, buy/borrow/rent a .22.

Don't feel bummed about the hard time you're having getting your target. I shot bullseye competition for many years and have seen a lot of new handgun shooters who had trouble getting rounds on the target until they understood what a sight picture was supposed to look like.

I don't know where you live in MT, but you should be able to find quite a few people who are involved in shooting. You may know some.
Go to a pistol match and watch the shooters. When the range master is not conducting the match, as him/her if there are shooters there who can help you. He will probably know the people you need to talk to. Usually shooters will be glad to help you in safety and shooting basics.

I know there may not be many matches going on for those of us in the north west this time of year, and if that's your case, ask about range instruction at the local gun shops. Ask about gun club activities in your area.

February 12, 2009, 02:10 AM
I think your problem is it's too cold there. I tried shooting a few times in temps under 30 and numb fingers open my groups up a couple inches. That and what the other guys said.
2 Lonestar shooters from Austin, what r the odds?

February 12, 2009, 12:46 PM
I can't watch the video due to the insanely slow computer I am on now. However I will mention this:

On trick to shooting well is to aim the front sight post at the same place every time. I find that new shooters tend to aim at the front sight at the previous shot if it is close to a bullseye. They end up leading their shots away from the bullseye.

My suggestion is to bring the target in at 7 yards or less. Setup a blank 8.5x 11 sheet of paper for a target. Shoot for the center of the paper. This will force you to do numerous things. #1 you will have to focus on the front sight post hard, and then align it with what you feel is the center of the paper. #2 if you start aiming for a previous hole you will find that your shot will be off. After you do 3 to 4 sheets of blank paper, switch to a sheet of paper with a black dot in the middle, about 1 inch in diameter. Again repeat the same process. If you aim for the dot at hit high, aim at the same spot you did. This will build consistency. With alterations to your grip, trigger pull, how much trigger finger, etc and practice you will be able to align everything up.

Also, you should invest in 5 or so snap caps. If 10$ is to much for you for an invaluable tool then you should reconsider wanting to be a good shot. The snap caps can help with dry fire practice. Even better you can have someone put some of them in a mag you have when your shooting at the range. When you pull the trigger on a dummy round you will be able to see exactly what your doing right before the gun goes bang. Odds are you have a flinch.

February 12, 2009, 02:26 PM
Just reiterating suggestions made by others:

Use a big backing behind your target. A 4'x4' piece of cardboard cut from a large appliance box would be best. Put your target in the middle of that so you can see where the misses are going instead of guessing.

Take notes of what your stance was, your grip, your trigger pull, your sight picture at the instant the shot went off (the last place you saw the sights), the distance, and the results.

Next time swing the camera around so we can see your hands and face. Set up the camera ahead and film from each side, so we can see your grip. We need to see your face, your eyes, your hands. Make sure the camera does not obscure or overexpose your face and hands.

Get a competent handgun shooter to try out that Xd for you - that should eliminate you as a variable. Have the same friend bring his own handgun, and try shooting it - that will eliminate the Xd as a variable.

February 13, 2009, 03:59 AM
2 Lonestar shooters from Austin, what r the odds?

Everything around here is named lonestar, longhorn, or capital :D. I took on the moniker of the now-defunct flight school where I learned my craft.

February 13, 2009, 10:19 AM
I've never been to a public outdoor range; but can I ask one question? Is it not a faux pas to walk out in front of the firing line to get closer to a standing target and firing away? That struck me as rather unsafe when I saw Freeze do that. You NEVER go in front of the firing line at the indoor ranges I've shot at. I did enjoy some of the instructional video and links posted on this thread. I revisited my grip and a couple stances; and I think I will be deligent to practice these techniques at my next trip to the range/club. Good stuff to be learned here.

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