A Girl's Gun?


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nachosgrande
February 11, 2009, 01:37 AM
I was watching "In Bruges" the other day and during one scene between two hitmen where they are showing what guns they have been able to acquire while in the city of Bruges, the one shows his full size semi auto pistol, and the other shows his snub nose revolver and is upset because he only has what he calls a "girl's gun". Is a snub nose revolver a girl's gun?

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Duke of Doubt
February 11, 2009, 01:41 AM
Kojak didn't think so.

"Who loves ya, Baby?"

Prince Yamato
February 11, 2009, 02:37 AM
Unless it's marked, "Lady Smith," then no, it's not a girl's gun.

chriske
February 11, 2009, 03:27 AM
I don't really think so : the girls I meet at the range seem to prefer various 9mm's or 1911- type handguns.

KC0QGL
February 11, 2009, 03:57 AM
A snub is not a girls gun, just ask my wife.

Zoogster
February 11, 2009, 04:11 AM
Guns are one thing that does not fit the assumptions of size.

Clearly women are fully capable of using most firearms. There is some exceptions of really high recoil or heavy items that would benefit from additional strength and be too much for many men and most women.

That said we know what is meant by the "girls gun" comment. It is to imply the firearm is smaller, and by conclusion weaker and more suitable for a girl.
Unfortunately this is even a mistake some women make picking out a firearm for themselves the first time. One you have to politely point out to a new shooter so they won't be intimidated when they touch off thier first shots in some tiny little cannon and dislike shooting from then on or develop a flinch.

Smaller guns weigh less, have shorter barrels, and as a result both kick more and have more muzzle climb in a given caliber than a larger firearm in the same caliber.

So a "girls gun" or a lower recoil more manageable gun as implied by the term would actualy be a larger gun.
A small airweight snubnose would be less appropriate for someone more recoil sensitive than a full size revolver in the same caliber.
It takes more strength to accurately shoot a lightweight snubnose rapidly than a larger full size gun.
Society and Hollywood will continue to think bigger is more powerful and harder to tame however. So a big heavy gun with little recoil is macho and masculine, while the hard kicking little snubby is weak and feminine.

The truth is a 9x19 full size semi-autopistol firing a more powerful cartridge kicks less than many lightweight .38 Special snubnose revolvers.
Or comparing revolvers to revolvers a .357 Ruger Redhawk considerably overbuilt in that cartridge looks like a big "manly" gun, but would be far easier to shoot than your average small CCW .357 Magnum, or "girl gun".
Both men and women will find larger heavier pistols easier to manage.

In fact heavier pistols are so much easier to manage some states even have laws that classify pistols weighing more than X number of ounces "assault weapons". Thier extremely easy to manage recoil and hence faster accurate follow-up shots making them a greater percieved danger, and a greater target of gun grabbers.
For example in the Federal "Assault Weapon" Ban pistols weighing more than 50 ounces, or about 3 pounds unloaded were "assault weapons".
Some states continue to have arbitrary maximum weights for handguns before they become "assault weapons".

Some restrictions are really extreme. Take this one once proposed in Iowa
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/GA/76GA/Legislation/HF/00200/HF00234/ :
20 ounces are more would have become an assault weapon, or 1 pound 4 ounces.


So in conclusion a lighter smaller gun is most certainly not an easier gun to control in a given caliber. Or a "girl gun" by those using the term to imply that. A massive heavy chunk of metal would be the easiest to tame. Only someone ignorant to firearms and the laws of physics would think otherwise, which seems to be most of Hollywood. Hollywood after all only fires blanks with almost no recoil, or uses special effects in most movies. Nobody is actualy firing a payload generating recoil, so it is easy to remain ignorant even working with thousands of firearms.

Bubba613
February 11, 2009, 07:44 AM
I carry a snub 19. So did the Secret Service. So no.
A 1911 otoh is definitely a girls' gun. Almost every women who puts one in her hands wants it.

Deer Hunter
February 11, 2009, 07:47 AM
On a completely unrelated note,

That was a damned good movie....

moi_self26
February 11, 2009, 07:59 AM
I don't get it, does it let out a high pitched scream when you pull the trigger? Does it talk trash about all of the other guns behind their back?

jklinstein
February 11, 2009, 08:09 AM
When my wife saw my S&W Model 36 she called it a "Charlie's Angels gun". Taking her to the range with it changed her mind.

expvideo
February 11, 2009, 08:12 AM
My girlfriend liked the snub .44 special that she shot. She liked it quite a bit.

I don't think that, in general, there is a particular "girl's gun". Of course there are the pink guns and so on that are marketted toward girls, but for the most part, I think that girls tend to have as broad of tastes as guys do. I think that psychologically there may be some differences in why they like one over another from why a guy would like one over the other, but I think there would still be the same diversity of opinion.

I don't know if this bothers girls as much as it bothers me, but I would think that it might bug them a little that we insist on offering them the same handful of guns (.380s, compact glocks, taurus compacts, pink guns, etc), as if they were incapable of making their own decisions. I know I would be a little turned off if someone were insisting that I wanted a Glock 26, and wouldn't let me just go into the gun shop and make my own choices.

I can tell you with the utmost certainty that if I took my girlfriend in to a gun shop and offered to buy her a carry gun (let's suspend disbelief for a moment and pretend that she doesn't have a problem with me spending the money...) she would end up choosing a gun that I wouldn't have thought to suggest. I might have suggested a compact or mid size glock, a Taurus compact, a Sig P232, a KelTec, or some other stereotypical gun, and she might choose the Kimber Elite, the Springfield XD .45 or the IMI Baby Eagle or some other thing that I didn't even think to offer. Much in the same way that I would probably pick the gun I like the most, rather than have someone give me a handful of options and tell me that those are the best choices for me. When we went to the range and rented some guns, she liked the full size Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm the most. That isn't something that most people would suggest for a girl. Neither is the snub .44 special that she enjoyed shooting quite a bit.

BTW, here's a quick tip if your girl is anything like mine... She likes accurate guns more than small and cute guns. She doesn't like shooting at the range when she has trouble placing rounds where she wants them, so she gets tired of shooting micro/compact guns quickly, and prefers to shoot medium to large frame pistols instead. So don't discount the fact that she might want a gun that she enjoys shooting, just as much as she enjoys being able to carry it. I guarantee that if I brought a Glock 26 and a 6" 38 special to the range, she would enjoy the .38 more.

Maelstrom
February 11, 2009, 08:30 AM
Way back in the day I had started a post about girls guns. Perhaps you'd like to peruse.

In the words of poster FRANKCOSTANZA:

This is the greatest thread of all time!

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393871&highlight=MAN+CARD

Old Fuff
February 11, 2009, 09:15 AM
Why would anyone think that a Hollywood script writer would know anything about firearms? Even more so, why would anyone think that anything seen in a Hollywood production contained anything of value about the subject of guns?

What ever knowledge I may have about firearms didn't come from movies, TV shows, or video/computer games. I sure wouldn't want to go to a doctor or lawyer that used movies as a role model. :banghead: :banghead:

Voodoo1951
February 11, 2009, 09:18 AM
I love my snubbies and that is all I carry now. Autoloaders are too finicky for my tastes. If I gotta' shoot some creep, I NEED it to go BANG, Not CLICK/JAM...But Thats just me.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m180/voodoo1951/coltcobra003.jpg

BBQLS1
February 11, 2009, 09:48 AM
No, it's an old guys gun. Just watch "Way of the Gun" all of the old guys are using them!


Really though, anybody who thinks a snubbie is a girl's gun needs to go shoot a light weight .44 Mag or airweight .357 Mag!

erict
February 11, 2009, 10:28 AM
NOT a "girl's gun". My wife will not try to shoot this one after watching some of my male friends complain about it. :D

scottgun
February 11, 2009, 11:00 AM
It's not just about the kick of a gun. Some women have trouble operating the slide of an auto loading pistol, therefore tend to gravitate towards revolvers. This isn't the case for all women with all auto-loaders, so there is without a doubt exceptions. I had to show my wife a different way to operate the slide of my P32, Instead using her strong hand to just pull back the slide, which she was not able to do, but rather hold the slide with one hand and use her strong hand to push the gun underneath the slide.

Tommygunn
February 11, 2009, 11:08 AM
Robert T. Ironside, Mannix, Kojack, Steve McGarrett, Cannon, Adam Flint, Inspector Erskine, Sergeant Friday, et al, --- all TV detectives who used snub-nosed revolvers.
They are not "girl's" guns!.

BTW, one of my handguns is a .38 snubbie!

hso
February 11, 2009, 11:12 AM
There's no such thing as a "girl's gun". There's no such thing as a "man's gun" either. It makes no more sense than saying a hammer is a girl's/man's tool.

woad_yurt
February 11, 2009, 11:16 AM
To me, a "girl's gun" is a gun owned by a girl.

Duke of Doubt
February 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
In one sense, a .38 revolver is more "female-friendly."

Every woman I've ever dated has had long fingernails. It's a "thing" for me. So when I take female companions shooting, they tend to prefer revolvers. Loading cartridges into a magazine, racking a slide, setting a safety, clearing a jam, all those things can break a nail. Revolvers, on the other hand, can be run with VERY long nails.

I moonlight as a firearms instructor, and have had female students with short nails. They tend to prefer autoloaders, even though I try to coach them into revolvers. And the salon.

scottishclaymore
February 11, 2009, 01:02 PM
Ridiculous. By no-one's standards is 6 rounds of .357 a girly gun. :D

da3394
February 11, 2009, 01:45 PM
Girl guns smell better and are much prettier.

moi_self26
February 11, 2009, 02:14 PM
It's not just about the kick of a gun. Some women have trouble operating the slide of an auto loading pistol, therefore tend to gravitate towards revolvers.

Really!?!? That's surprising to me. I'm a woman and I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis..... I have no problem whatsoever with the slides on autoloaders, but I have a heck of a time with revolvers. Before I bought my first gun I tried a bunch of each type...... I tried about 12 different revolvers, and the trigger pull on all of them was just too much. In a defensive situation, I'm not sure I could get off more than one shot with the revolvers I tried, which is why I have decided I'm an autoloader kinda gal.

hso
February 11, 2009, 02:17 PM
I've taught plenty of women to shoot autoloaders and the simple solution to difficult slide operation is the same I use for anyone - hold the slide and push the gun forward. The muscles involved in this operation are much stronger regardless of sex. Using this technique I have never had anyone not be able to properly operate the slide.

moi_self26
February 11, 2009, 02:26 PM
I've taught plenty of women to shoot autoloaders and the simple solution to difficult slide operation is the same I use for anyone - hold the slide and push the gun forward. The muscles involved in this operation are much stronger regardless of sex. Using this technique I have never had anyone not be able to properly operate the slide.

I wish you were at the safety course I took when I first started, the woman I got stuck sitting next to was older and seemed to have some kind of disability. I kept trying to help her (as did the instructor), but as soon as she struggled she would get careless. I had guns pointed at me way too many times for comfort. I corrected her each time, but it was still nerve wracking. Granted I knew that they were all unloaded, but when you turn around and see a gun pointed at you, it's just instinct to go into alarm mode.

camper1
February 11, 2009, 09:06 PM
Guys who like snubbies aren't insecure. Guys who call them girls guns have a self esteem problem. Just because many women use a product doesn't make it gender specific. I have 12 semis, 2 revolvers, an AR and a Mossberg. I'm guessing if thousands of women bought ARs, a small number of males would suddenly have to find a new weapon...notice I said a small number....a very small number. I give most guys more sense than that, but I've met a few who don't get it. I read one thread where the guy said 9mm was a girls' load, because he only shot .45. Of course, the moderator got to him first.

thebucket
February 12, 2009, 01:06 AM
I know my snubby .357 isn't easy for me to shoot magnums out of and my mom fired one magnum and decided that was enough. She didn't even like shooting .38's out of it. So, no, I don't think snubbies are girls' guns. Just because a gun is small doesn't mean it's for women.

doberman
February 12, 2009, 01:15 AM
Unless it's marked, "Lady Smith," then no, it's not a girl's gun.

Since when is the "Lady Smith" a girls gun? Do you know something I don't?

:uhoh: :D

SASD209
February 12, 2009, 02:46 AM
Eh, my GF won't touch my Glock 26 and absolutely hates my S&W 360PD. She does like my Smith 686 most of all. Go figure.

CU74
February 12, 2009, 07:32 PM
Why would anyone think that a Hollywood script writer would know anything about firearms? Even more so, why would anyone think that anything seen in a Hollywood production contained anything of value about the subject of guns?

My thoughts were pretty much the same as Old Fuff posted. Glad to see I'm not the only one around here who thinks Hollywierd is NOT the source of reasonable firearms information....

benEzra
February 12, 2009, 08:13 PM
My wife shoots a Glock 26 and an SKS; my pistol is a S&W 3913 Ladysmith. Stereotypes were made to be broken...

Fleetwood_Captain
February 12, 2009, 08:19 PM
How about a Browning "Sweet 16" autoloader?

That would make a fine girls' gun.

TooTaxed
February 12, 2009, 08:24 PM
In my experience observing as Range Officer, women use everything the men do...and very capably!

On the other hand, women carry concealed more often than men...and concealment-type guns are light, compact, and short-barreled.

Like the S&W Model 642 .38-Spl I carry!:neener:

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