Remington 597 or CZ 452?


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CAgunslinger
February 12, 2009, 07:56 PM
I'm in the market for a .22LR and I've narrowed my choice down to the 597 or the CZ 452. One is bolt action, one is semi-auto. I'm pretty stuck between the two. Also, should I get the heavy barreled versions or not? I know I want a scope for these.

What are your thoughts, please include pricing in your assessment!!

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saturno_v
February 12, 2009, 08:00 PM
Got a 597 last November and I love it. Relaible, dead accurate and with a "big rifle" feeling compared to other 22.

I think the CZ is going to be significantly more expensive. It is a nice rifle no doubt about it...I just do not like bolt action 22.

Mine was on sale for $139 included a 3-9X 40 Simmons scope.

CajunBass
February 12, 2009, 08:21 PM
Another apples and oranges question. I've got a 597. It's a good, inexpensive rifle, with a cheap plastic stock. I don't have a CZ but they at least a couple steps up from 597.

Which one to get? How much money do you want to spend? Do you want a bolt gun, or a semi. Only you can answer those questions.

The CZ's I see around are $350-450.00. The 597's are 150-180.00.

CAgunslinger
February 12, 2009, 08:32 PM
I follow that line of questioning. I guess my next question would be, is the extra money WORTH the cost of a 452? And why?

As for semi vs bolt, what are the pros and cons of each? Is the bolt action on a .22 just kind a pain in the a$$ when plinking?

IndianaBoy
February 12, 2009, 08:42 PM
I would recommend that you absolutely get the 452.

Particularly if you are going to shoot it with iron sights.

Shooting the 200 yard gong, offhand, is no problem with my Lux.

I have shot it a lot, and I can shoot and cycle the action, and be ready to shoot again in rapid fashion.

My Lux is the last gun that I would part with.

It is my go to gun for fun, for accuracy, and for small game hunting.

That being said, I just got a 22 conversion for my AR. If I want to sling a lot of lead at a lot of steel plates... that is the way to go.

I have no experience with the Remington.

Get the CZ. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/Lunch_Point.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/lux029_small_dist.jpg

snakeman
February 12, 2009, 09:02 PM
i had a 597 that jammed every shot and the matte finish wears and rusts quickly

SGW42
February 12, 2009, 10:17 PM
I own neither but have handled both extensively. The 452 has better fit and finish than most centerfires I see. Way more expensive than the 597, but it still seems cheap considering what you're buying.

The 452 has been the only rifle to come close to me second-guessing my purchase of a Marlin 39A. :)

22-rimfire
February 13, 2009, 12:11 AM
Choice of semi-auto versus bolt action 22rf rifle depends on you planned use for me. If the rifle is more for plinking and general shooting, I prefer the semi-auto. If it is more for target or hunting, then I'd go with the bolt action.

The CZ 452 is a nice 22 rifle. Many consider it the best value for an overall 22 rifle if you are looking for out of the box accuracy. In my opinion, the Savage Mark II is just as good, especially the classic version with the walnut stock.

The early Remington 597's in 22LR had major jamming problems. I undestand that has been worked out over a year ago. New rifles should be fine.

The two rifles are really an apples and oranges comparison. It comes back to what you want to use the rifle for. Accuracy >> CZ wins; Fun >> depends on which action you prefer, but the 597 is more fun to me.

The 452 has been the only rifle to come close to me second-guessing my purchase of a Marlin 39A.

My solution to that is to buy both. I have, or more correctly, I will have purchased both when I get the 39A out of layaway.

husker
February 13, 2009, 12:15 AM
i just love my rem 597. never shot the cz. but am very impressed with the improved 597 for the $ i dont think you can go wrong.

9mmepiphany
February 13, 2009, 01:39 AM
this is one of the cases when you really get what you pay for. if you're into wood stocks and accuracy the CZ is the only way to go...it is definately twice what the 597 is.

i was looking at a CZ 452 American...on sale at CDNN for $278...but ended up getting an Anschutz 1712 instead for 5 time what the CZ would cost. i consider the CZ almost as nice a rifle and a better buy for the money spent, but i thought waiting 30+ years was long enough before getting an Anschutz.

you should always get the best rifle you can afford. if you can afford the CZ, you'll always regret not getting it.

BTW i ended up getting the CZ after all, it's just too good a rifle to pass up. the 452 American is the best CZ to scope as it has a higher comb and a 3/8" rail as opposed to the 11mm on others. the 452 FS is beautiful if you like alot of wood.

lonegunman
February 13, 2009, 01:45 AM
Buy a CZ 452 and never look back. Quality, fit and finish and accuracy are all top notch. I have one and it shoots 1/2" at 50 yds, tighter with macth ammo. It runs flawlessly and looks good, it is a comfortable size and price.



Compared to a plastic and alloy Remington, no contest.

doubs43
February 13, 2009, 01:56 AM
Here are a couple of targets I've shot with my CZ-452 FS (Full Stock) rifle. All of my CZ .22 rifles are shooters!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i99/doubs43/CZ452FS/CZ-452FSGroups.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i99/doubs43/CZ452FS/SSBCZ-452FSEleyClubExtra75Yds8-31-0.jpg

This is my CZ-452 Classic which was the first of the "American" models sold back in the 1990's.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i99/doubs43/CZ-452%20American%20Classic/AmericanClassicRifle.jpg

deacon8
February 13, 2009, 02:19 AM
CZ! I am really not a fan of the model 597 at all. Really, it is an entirely different level of performance. Get the CZ, they are great rifles.

deacon8
February 13, 2009, 02:23 AM
Ohhh...forgot! No, I wouldn't get a heavy barreled one. However, that is my opinion, which was the question right?;)

rangerruck
February 13, 2009, 02:47 AM
I would seriously do both, and keep the remmy as a pencil bb, and use the open sites, since they have the best, and really only sites that are fully adjustable;
esecially on a semi auto rifle.

rangerruck
February 13, 2009, 02:48 AM
otherwise; a cz with a set trigger is like butta...

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