i bought an op built in 1940 in 38-200. its been reblued, but not too chewed up. it locks up tight and the bore's good. i've learned it is the same as .38 s&w, but they dont fit in the cylinder. however, .38 special slip in nicely. what gives? any advice/ ideas? i'll take it to a gunsmith, but its really bothering me. has the cylinder been changed out? if so, will this thing be safe/ accurate? any input would be appreciated. thanks.
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Jim Watson
February 14, 2009, 09:49 PM
If it is indeed marked .38-200 but will not chamber a .38 S&W and will take a .38 Special, then the cylinder has been replaced. There are a lot of these guns that have been rechambered from .38-200/.38 S&W to .38 Special, but they will still accept the S&W rounds.
Assuming the cylinder was properly installed, with good timing and reasonable cylinder gap, it will be safe to shoot. Accuracy is a question. The .38-200 barrel is around .360" - .361" groove diameter which is a little sloppy on the .358" .38 Special lead bullet. The smaller .38 Special bullets might shoot pretty well, they might not. No way to know except shoot the gun.
Anyname
February 14, 2009, 10:21 PM
38-200 is the heavy bullet 38 S&W load the British developed to replace the 455 Webley. Sounds like an old Victory model.
RON in PA
February 15, 2009, 05:27 AM
Should work Ok with HBWC.
SaxonPig
February 15, 2009, 09:26 AM
I agree with Jim's diagnosis meaning the gun is messed up and will likely never shoot particularly well due to undersized bullets. Sorry.
1. Try the gun. It might shoot OK. I have a Enfield in 38 S&W in which I shoot lead .357" bullets and it does pretty well.
2. Usually we see 38 S&W cylinders reamed for the longer but thinner 38 Special. You could do just the opposite of what most people do and have a smith chamber the cylinder for the fatter 38 S&W. But consider this only after trying #1. A gun in 38 Special is more useful than one in 38 S&W due to ammo cost and availability. I would do this only if the gun was badly inaccurate.
Old Fuff
February 15, 2009, 10:58 AM
I would have a gunsmith check and see if the cylinder was originally chambered in .38 Special or .38 S&W (.38-200). If the cylinder was not rechambered from, .38 S&W to .38 Special there is no reason you can't shoot it. It is possible that the revolver came out of the factory as a .38 Special, but someone replaced the barrel with a surplus .38-200 one. Years ago .38-200 barrels, left over from World War Two, were very inexpensive. I suspect that a barrel switch might have been made at the same time the gun was refinished.
Jim Watson
February 15, 2009, 11:37 AM
Barrel change instead of cylinder change? Sure, why not.
jc77
February 17, 2009, 12:51 AM
how would either of these things effect value? any idea of what this frankenstein is worth?
Trebor
February 17, 2009, 01:54 AM
Yeah, the barrel change would affect value, and not in the good way.
I have no guess as to what it's worth. Pictures and a better description would help as even the Colt experts on the board would be trying to value a "pig in a poke" without more info.
Old Fuff
February 17, 2009, 09:54 AM
It this point it's hard to place a value on it because it isn't clear exactly what you have. Reaming the cylinder from .38 S&W (.38-200) to .38 Special would have a greater effect then changing the barrel. Refinishing may also be a factor, depending on how well it was done.
Have a gunsmith determine if the cylinder was monkeyed with, and then come back with your questions. :)
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