260 Remington any good?


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elktrout
February 15, 2009, 09:16 AM
Admitting that I have paid little attention to 6.5mm stuff over the years, I keep seeing the 260 Rem getting a lot of press (for what that is worth - maybe I shoud say "hype").

What is its niche? The 264 Win Mag was a great cartridge and certainly would outshoot the 260 Rem, so what would make the newcomer any better?

Anyone try any penetration tests of the 260 against a 7mm or 30 cal with bullets of similar sectional densities and velocities?

Do its long bullets handle the wind better than other calibers?

Has is the recoil? Would you rate it a good choice for a youngster (say 12 years old) just beginning to hunt?

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ArmedBear
February 15, 2009, 09:36 AM
Not every cartridge exists to burn barrels faster and recoil harder than the previous one.

The .260 splits the difference between .243 recoil and 7mm-08 bullet weights, and offers flat shooting.

For a 12-year-old, it'd be a good round to check out (assuming you don't mind dealing with somewhat limited availability of factory guns and ammo compared to .243 or .308).

Ol` Joe
February 15, 2009, 04:07 PM
The 260 does exactly what the 6.5x55 does but in a short action. The 260 with factory ammo actually runs about 300 fps faster with same wgt bullets but with handloads to equal pressures they are for all intent the same.
IMO the cartridge is a excellent one to start a youngster off on and will allow hunting of larger game then the 243/6mm. It will do on deer size game to 250-300 yds with no problem.

phantomak47
February 15, 2009, 04:47 PM
The 24 hour campfire forum has a lot of threads on this round, you might want to check it the info there too.

woof
February 15, 2009, 04:55 PM
A great round for a youngster, and also in the .308 family, is the 7mm-08. Remington makes a managed recoil load with a 140 gr bullet that has less than .30-30 recoil and better ballistics. I can attest that this load makes better kills on whitetails at around 100 yds than full power 7-08 loads (although some might dispute that). This load makes a great deer gun for the youngster and that rifle remains suitable for something bigger later on with full power loads. I like the .260 but there are also many more rifles in the 7-08.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 15, 2009, 07:05 PM
Not every cartridge exists to burn barrels faster and recoil harder than the previous one.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner - new sig line material, lol. But to try answer your questions more specifically:

What is its niche?

It's niche is EVERYTHING. It's the perfect goldilocks cartridge, arguably. It can do it all with one cartridge, without excessive recoil, blast, and ammo expense. I'll guarantee you that a 160/162 grain premium bullet from a .260 rem will penetrate the brain and kill the largest bull African elephant you can find, in the hands of a very skilled elephant hunter. With light 80-95 gr bullets, it's an excellent varminter as well, and everything in between. Anything that can kill the largest living land mammal (in a pinch) and also serve as a varminter is an excellent all-purpose cartridge choice. It's obviously also great for self-defense versus human predators.

Or you might say it's niche is *deer hunting*. It's the perfect round to cleanly kill deer/antelope/sheep/goat sized critters without unduly beating yourself up and/or excessive bloodshot meat, and can be packed into a LIGHT rifle which can be humped a long ways.

The 264 Win Mag was a great cartridge and certainly would outshoot the 260 Rem, so what would make the newcomer any better?

It's a lot better because it's quite a bit slower, so your barrel will last several thousands of rounds instead of several hundreds of rounds, before accuracy degrades, and does almost the same job with a lot less recoil, blast/flash, and ammo expense.

Anyone try any penetration tests of the 260 against a 7mm or 30 cal with bullets of similar sectional densities and velocities?

No, but the heavier bullets' (in the 139-162 gr range) have sectional densities equal to the best 7mm bullets, and together with 7mm, are second to none.

Do its long bullets handle the wind better than other calibers?

Well mostly yes, and a little bit no. You can find slightly better BCs in 7mm bullets (and BC is what bucks the wind, with reduced TOF), but it's the *combination* of BC and muzzle velocity which is king with certain 6.5mm bullets. You can push an almost-as-good-BC bullet significantly faster than the highest BC 7mm bullet can be pushed with with similar cases, and therefore have better *overall* performance in terms of drop and wind-bucking.

How's is the recoil?

Moderately-low to moderate, as hunting rifles go.

Would you rate it a good choice for a youngster (say 12 years old) just beginning to hunt?

Yes, only a few better.

matrem
February 15, 2009, 09:53 PM
Well. The .264 Win mag case IS the .458 Win mag case.The .260 IS the .308 Win case.Some of us don't think the .458 case is always necessary.(for all "cases")pun intended.

9mmepiphany
February 15, 2009, 10:52 PM
the .260 is a 6.5x55mm sized for a short action. the 6.5x55mm is to the Scandinavians what the 30'06 is to Americans. they use it for taking everything up to moose...and don't suffer the recoil battering for it.

the .260 has also become the darling of the long distance (1000 yard) crowd

rangerruck
February 16, 2009, 12:18 AM
6.5 rem mag, and 264 win mag, were meant and built to outdo the 7mag, at ranges past 500 yds, in a short action, and they do, that is what they were origionally meant for and to do, that's it. they are deff bbl burners.
Don't forget the 6.5 creedmoor as well...

9mmepiphany
February 16, 2009, 01:12 AM
6.5 rem mag, and 264 win mag, were meant and built to outdo the 7mag, at ranges past 500 yds, in a short action,

while the 6.5 Rem Mag will function through a short action, you have to seat heavier bullets in pass the neck.

i don't believe the .264 Win Mag will fit in a short action

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 16, 2009, 09:25 AM
the .260 has also become the darling of the long distance (1000 yard) crowd

Well, isn't it the case that the .260 rem (and now the 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5x47mm) are the darling of the long distance *practical* shooting crowd, who shoot more rounds and and thus more concerned with barrel life, where the 1K guys (other than the .308-mandated F-class guys), being a little less concerned about bbl life, like the 6.5-284 and other slightly higher-speed rounds, though some of them do indeed use .260 rem, in my understanding.

Gewehr98
February 16, 2009, 09:55 PM
The .264 Win Mag is not, nor has it ever been, a Short Action cartridge.

It's pretty close in COL (3.340") and case length (2.500") to my own 1000-yard 6.5-06 (.264 Win Mag interloper), and that's a .30-06 length cartridge, definitely not a shorty.

You can certainly load and fire the .264 Win Mag in a short action, but removing the bolt before and after every round is somewhat inefficient at best. :scrutiny:

gvnwst
February 16, 2009, 10:04 PM
being a little less concerned about bbl life, like the 6.5-284 and other slightly higher-speed rounds, though some of them do indeed use .260 rem, in my understanding.

Also a few of them use the .260 AI, it is about equal of the 6.5x284.

Float Pilot
February 16, 2009, 10:27 PM
The 260 Rem is a darn good cartridge. Good power range, moderate recoil, very good down range ballistics, easy on the barrel.

IV Troop
February 17, 2009, 10:20 AM
The .260 is an excellent round. I have a precision rifle chambered for it, built on a 700 with a Lilja tube. The weak link is lack of good brass. Remington brass is horrible. Lapua needs to make brass for this cartridge.

gvnwst
February 17, 2009, 10:27 AM
Problem is, Lapua already makes 6.5x47 brass, their (cough, cough, better) version of the .260......but if you don't mine expanding the necks of their .243 brass, then you are good.

jbkebert
February 17, 2009, 10:49 AM
I do not own one myself. A friend of mine bought his girlfriend one in a 700 remmy CDL. It is a pretty rifle. She came out to our place this fall after failing to get a shot on her parents place. She took a old gray faced doe around a 60-65 yard shot. Hit high behind the shoulder. That doe dropped like a rock ties to a bigger rock. Shootng handloads upon field dressing we lost quite a bit of back strap meat but the shot was absolutely devasting. I would not hesitate to take a deer sized animal with this round.

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