Gun deaths in Canada hit low


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starfuryzeta
October 2, 2003, 03:41 PM
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=70D7DA64-0A5E-4830-B80D-52A494C188AA

OTTAWA -- The rate of gun deaths in Canada fell to an all-time low last year, providing fresh ammunition for gun-control advocates and drawing envy from south of the border yesterday.

The 26% of homicides committed with a firearm was the lowest proportion since statistics were first collected in 1961, Statistics Canada reported. Stabbing was the most common method of killing, accounting for 31% of homicides. Beatings resulted in 21% of deaths, while strangulation or suffocation came in at 11%.

The overall homicide rate actually increased slightly, but it was pushed up by the 15 deaths of missing women that occurred in previous years in Port Coquitlam, B.C., reported by police in 2002.

The lower gun-death rate was hailed by anti-gun groups in Canada and the United States.

They pointed to years of firearms regulation, but stopped short of crediting the federal gun registry, which requires all gun owners to register their weapons.

"The numbers look encouraging," said Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control in Toronto.

"It's still a bit soon to attribute it to the most recent gun-control law, but certainly the trend in Canada of strengthening controls over firearms does appear to be having an effect."

She said handguns being smuggled into Canada from the United States is the biggest problem.

The Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence said many Americans will envy the Canadian numbers.

"We lose nearly 30,000 Americans every year," spokesman Blaine Rummel said. "That is astronomically higher than Canada's actual gun death rate. The reason why is because Canada has always taken a very responsible approach to regulating firearms ownership."

Canadian police reported 582 homicides last year, up 29 from the previous year. The national homicide rate was 1.85 homicides for every 100,000 people, compared with 1.78 in 2001.

Solicitor-General Wayne Easter welcomed the numbers, but also stopped short of crediting the gun registry. "The more important aspect of the firearms registry at the moment is the greater ability, with more registered guns, it gives the national weapons enforcement-support teams a greater ability to find illegal guns and stolen and missing guns," he said.

"That's the success story of the firearms registry system so far."

Alberta's Justice Minister disagreed: "The gun registry has been an absolute waste of time and resources and has shown no effectiveness," David Hancock said from a meeting in La Malbaie, Que. "The reality is ... we had very strong gun laws in this country for a very long period of time and the guns involved in most of those incidents were already restricted or prohibited weapons."

Of the 149 gun killings last year, handguns accounted for two-thirds, up from about one-half during the 1990s and one-third prior to 1990.

B.C. saw the biggest jump in homicides, to 126 from 84 in 2001.

With regard to cities, Winnipeg, with 23 homicides, and Saskatoon, with eight, each had a rate of 3.41 per 100,000 residents, the highest among metropolitan areas.

Statistics Canada also found that:

- For a second consecutive year, gang-related homicides dropped substantially.

- As usual, most homicides were committed by someone known to the victim.

- Almost half of the 182 victims killed by a family member were killed by their spouse.

- Forty-four per cent of female victims and 8% of male victims were killed by someone with whom they had a relationship.

- Men are more likely to be killed by a stranger than women.



Okay, what kind of messed up logic says that even though there are more homicides, its okay, because less were done with guns?

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Brian Dale
October 2, 2003, 04:52 PM
Solicitor-General Wayne Easter (said). "... with more registered guns, it gives the national weapons enforcement-support teams a greater ability to find illegal guns and stolen and missing guns," he said. Help me out here, S-General. If LEOs spend lots of their time tracking good guys, that makes it easier to catch bad guys?

No sale. Alberta's Justice Minister disagreed: "The gun registry has been an absolute waste of time and resources and has shown no effectiveness," David Hancock said from a meeting in La Malbaie, Que. "The reality is ... we had very strong gun laws in this country for a very long period of time and the guns involved in most of those incidents were already restricted or prohibited weapons." The truth is that countries with lots of area, Western traditions and government, and relatively small populations face fewer and smaller problems than a country (ours) with similar characteristics, but with a comparatively huge population. Ten times the population always means more than ten times the difficulty. I think that we're doing a fine job.

On your gun laws and violence involving guns: co-occurrence is not causality.

Even Wendy Cukier, of the Coalition for Gun Control in Toronto, (a person who’d want to be able to show causality, I expect) said "It's still a bit soon to attribute it to the most recent gun-control law, but certainly the trend in Canada of strengthening controls over firearms does appear to be having an effect."

:banghead:

My friend’s dog knows that hiding under the bed makes thunderstorms eventually go away, too: “It’s still a bit soon to attribute the diminishing thunder to hiding under the bed, but it certainly does appear to be having an effect.”

The Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence said many Americans will envy the Canadian numbers. With the Canadian laws? Maybe at your house. No envy here.

SDC
October 2, 2003, 06:38 PM
Exactly; even though the TOTAL number of murders are up, these idiots are claiming that this is a "success" for gun control. Another thing; since registration wasn't even mandatory until the beginning of 2003, how do these figures (from 2002) prove anything? The REAL cause of the dropping murder rate is that the Canadian median age is rising; as our population ages (and older people are less likely to commit murders), the murder rate drops as a result. Additionally, the single biggest group of gun-related murders (and the fastest-growing segment) is those comitted with handguns, which have had to be registered in Canada since the 1930s :rolleyes:

BHPshooter
October 2, 2003, 07:39 PM
Yeah, they'll holler and scream that gun control works until the next tragedy or school shooting. Then they'll "need" more gun control.


This may be kinda OT, but hopefully you'll bear with me.

Either way the gun/crime statistics sway, the "answer" according to those who think they know will always be to push for more gun control, to the point of banning all firearms.

So look at Scenario #1: If it "works."

*Utopia* decides that they need some form of Gun control. So, they implement a little background check and a tax. After all, that's not unreasonable. Do you want more crime?

Later, as this doesn't seem to do much either way, they'll institute a waiting period, make high-capacity magazines illegal, etc.

So, gun crime goes down. Well, if gun control works in controlling crime, then we owe it to the children to make *Utopia* as safe as possible. TURN THEM ALL IN.

Or perhaps they'll say, "Our society is so safe now, you don't need a weapon to defend yourself, and you don't need to hunt to get food. TURN THEM ALL IN."

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Now let's look at Scenario #2: If (or when, rather) it doesn't work.

*Utopia* decides they need some form of gun control. Like before, they just start out with an interrogation before you buy a gun, and impose a tax on guns and ammunition.

Well, this doesn't stop gun crime, so we need to get more drastic. We need a waiting period, and we need to ban all of those guns that have no use but to kill other people. After all, there's never a legitimate reason for killing another human being, right?

Well, this doesn't work either. Time to register them all. Tax them heavily. You get the idea. Make it worse than a hernia checkup to get a gun.

Well, there's STILL too much crime. The only way to solve this now is to get rid of all firearms. TURN THEM ALL IN.

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Seriously, think about it a while. No matter what the outcome of instituting gun control is, the end result will always be the banning and confiscation of all firearms. And then all archery equipment. And then all sharp or pointy things.

Why do you think this is? I don't want to get ranty or philosophical, so I just leave it at that.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say, though.

Wes

GSB
October 2, 2003, 11:56 PM
Okay, what kind of messed up logic says that even though there are more homicides, its okay, because less were done with guns?

These people are fixated on guns to the exclusion of anything else. Saving lives is secondary to their main goal of ridding the world of their own particular psychological bogeyman. That is why there can never be any "reasonable" compromise or appeasement with them. Nothing will EVER be enough because gun control is not a means to an end for them, it's a monomaniacal obsession.

SDC
October 3, 2003, 11:22 AM
At least not everyone is buying this BS; here's a link to only ONE of the various newspapers that reported on this today.
http://www.canada.com/saskatoon/starphoenix/editorials/story.asp?id=4ECA5C3D-E54E-4C53-B9F2-8EAB7255CFD7

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