[Ridgeway]

Just kinda curious as to opinions on if the .45 GAP cartridge will be a short lived one or have some success. I'm fairly new to firearms, so I don't know how the .357 SIG was first recieved but it seems quite popular now. Will this be the same for the .45 GAP? Or will the public stay away for whatever reason, resulting in no other gun makers creating a gun for the catridge...?

[jercamp45]

Seems Gaston just wants his name on A pistol cartridge.....heard he tried to buy the rights to .400 corbon for that purpose.
I have no crystal ball, but it appears the piece will be too big...the ammo probably will not be well distributed. And, well, it'll be in a Glock.
But those that buy them will have a nice collectors piece.
I'll save my money for another 1911.......in the real .45 auto!
Jercamp45

[atek3]

screw the glock 37. I want to see pistols made by other companies chambered in the new 45. Maybe an Ultra ultra compact 45 made by Sig, Colt, or springfield.

atek3

[45auto]

I think Glock would have had a decent "shot" using the smaller slide.

The thought of a 45 caliber with less pressure than the 40 in the same size gun is not a bad idea. It's not needed, but most of the calibers aren't needed either.

Glock will still sell a large amount I would guess, whether it lasts remains to be seen, but there are calibers that hang on for ages, even if few new guns are sold in that caliber.

As mentioned, maybe other manufacturers will help it along in a small 40 sized handgun, Kahr?

[Frohickey]

Too bad Gaston Glock didn't try to purchase the rights to the 45Super. That would have been better. :D

[Martini13]

:banghead: No,No,No...:evil:

[tiberius]

I voted "NO", but it may prove popular in those silly countries that restrict military calibers from the proles.

[Jason Demond]

Not in my house!

[Sean Smith]

Well, it could theoretically be used to make a .45 caliber BHP... :D

But I'm guessing not.

[Tamara]

Cartridge collectors should order without delay. :uhoh:

[tlhelmer]

I am a big Glock fan, but I am still not sure about the .45 GAP. I dont see an advantage over my Glock 21 (.45acp) or my .40 caliber Glocks. Only time will tell.

[David4516]

I don't think there is much advantage to it, but people will buy it anyway because it's "glock" and everyone knows that anything glock must be cool, right? :barf:

[marvl]

Did I tell you guys about the pistol cartridge I designed, the ".45 marvl"? It uses a .30-06 rifle case necked up to .45. I don't imagine it will catch on either. :cool:

[longeyes]

The Glock 37 should have been an eight-round mag Glock 36, in .45acp.

[mephisto]

What does this round do that a .45 acp cant do?

[HogRider]

I hope it won't catch on! Another completely unnecessary caliber. As if those small primered 45 Autos weren't enough, now there comes just another one. I know it's shorter but I can imagine it will be hard to see the difference when they are laying around mixed with regular 45's at the range.

:cuss:

[10-Ring]

Catch on like "Clear Pepsi" & "New Coke!" :barf: Talk about disposable income, Gaston must be one board mofo :scrutiny:

[Standing Wolf]

I have a hunch it's a good answer to a question that hadn't been asked because it didn't need to be asked.

[manwithoutahome]

I also voted No. But, like the 44spl, it will have a cult following that will be just enough to keep some dealers selling and ammo dealers dealing.

It will just become an expensive hobby/cultist thing.

M

p.s. I'm also a member of the 44spl cult :D but I wouldn't have a glock within ten feet of me... unless it was free, some Glock fan would pay big money to take it off my hands :D.

[Frohickey]

45GAP is a solution without a problem.

If Glock wanted his name on a cartridge, he should have bought the rights to 45Super. That would jumpstart the 45ACP line when manufacturers start making pistols that can handle the power of the 45Super (heavier springs, strengthened rails, etc) as well as keep shooting the lower powered 45ACP. Then, you will have people start using the 45Super for hunting. :o

[Black Snowman]

tiberius has the right idea. I think it will fizzel domesticly. The idea of course is the same one behind the .40 S&W. Get more power into a smaller gun. I think what will make or break it in the US is balistic testing VS. the .40 S&W, it's real compeditor.

For new buyers who don't want to shell out the money for the high-cap mags doesn't it make more sense to get almost the same size gun with 10 bigger, more powerful rounds? Now if the magazine capacity ban sunsets it's screwed domesticly. There's just no way for it to compete.

I might use one if it uses a G36 size slide, that would make it only slightly thicker than a .40 S&W gun and thinner than any USP. I'll probably buy one just because I think it will either be a good gun, or it will be a fad and either way I'll have another rare Glock ;)

Of course my current plan for a .45 is the CZ-97B. A real gun, with 10 round mags and ergos that fit me perfectly.

[Taisho]

I liked clear Pepsi, aka Pepsi Ice. :D

I see a dim, grim future for the 45 GAP.

[Trebor]

According to this report, the gun is using the thicker slide of the larger caliber models, not the thinner slide of the 9mm models as originally planned.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock37.html

[caz223]

If they sell 'em cheap enough to law enforcement, they might catch on.
I doubt I'll own one anytime soon, but I said that about glocks in general, and I have a G20, so who knows.
As a side note, I'd rather they made a single stack 10mm that takes delta elite mags, rather than the 37.

[45crittergitter]

No. Ruger makes a polymer frame .45 ACP (P97?) that is pretty near same size as the GAP Glock.

[CZ-100]

I don't think it will

[petej88]

Since the Glock 37 .45 G.A.P. is out now, you might want to visit glocktalk.com and read what the new owners think. What's weird is that they seem to really like it. One person said it's the best looking Glock of all. Go figure.

[RTFM]

HAHAHAHA
When I take the polls, I never look to see what the % untill it shows after the vote...
Yes 4 Votes 4.08%
No 94 Votes 95.92%

Just made me laugh out loud.

I was #94

RTFM

[Ridgeway]

you might want to visit glocktalk.com and read what the new owners think

O, I've read it all(well most of it..) on glocktalk.com, just was curious as to what other people might think, aside from all out glock enthusiasts.

:)

[TODD3465]

I sorta consider myself a Glock enthusiast but I still wouldn't buy one.:neener:

[chris93473]

that poll almost seems really funny. 115 vs 2 ??

[George Hill]

.45GAP catching on?
On to what?

You gotta be kidding me... catching on to the American Shooting Market?
Like I am going to go buy a .45GAP barrel for my 1911s. Uh huh. Yeah.
Right.

In Gaston's DREAMS!

I think he would have done better if he rolled out an 8MM or 11MM or something... ".41.5 GAP" Something really different. But a .45 Short? This is what happens when you have cats coming up with ideas with YES-Men below them.

[Pat S]

I was really jazzed up to buy one of these---the prototype they had advertised that is! I thought the concept of a 45 in a G17 sized gun was a great idea! Too bad Glock couldn't make it work. They really should have wrung out the concept before they realized it wouldn't work. The G37 is a disappointment. Also too bad Gaston doesn't appear to have creative and innovative engineers anymore either. For a company that originally made such an outstanding gun (G17), and a G36 that is has an even slimmer slide then the G17 in .45 ACP, you would have thought they could have created a slim gun that would work?

In its original design configuration I predicted the GAP would be a hit. I now predict it will be a flop, but time will tell if the public accepts it. If this poll is any indication...........

Pat S.

[BluesBear]

Will all of the GAP stores be selling these or just the ones in Major Malls?
;)


If so will there be a free pair of GAP Jeans with every purchase?
:D



And if so will there be a mag pocket on the jeans?
:neener:






Hey these question make as much sense as the .45GAP.

[duncan]

While I have six Glocks especially in the 357 sig and 10mm flavor, I don't think the 45 GAP will fill any gaps!

The caliber is un-needed.

357 sig was designed to match 357 mag in ballaistcs and allow that performance in an autoloader not a revolver.

But to make a 45 acp kurtz? I'd like to see how many police agencies want to "try" out the new cailber on the street.

I cannot see performance doing anything other than matching the current 45 ACP guns out there.

Same bullet hole - maybe less kinetic energy - and all for reduced recoil and a smaller frame on a Glock.

ooooppps - the slide is bigger and top heavy.

Flopper!:confused:

[duncan]

I love Glocks too.

BUT it has to fill a niche.

9mm Glocks are great for high volume training and teaching

40SW Glocks are great for CCW and LEOs and smaller guns

357 sig Glocks are great for a shooter aiming for 357 mag ballistics in a smaller gun for high energy high cap on board

45 ACP Glocks are great home defense, CCW, and defense guns

10mm Glocks are great SHTF serious penetration guns if you live in winter zones were people wear many layers - or you want to hunt

45 GAP only allows Gaston to finally put his name on one of his own guns. No ballistic advantage. Just for people with smaller hands. So why can't they just shoot 40SW or 9mm with premium loads? And since most Glocks are undersprung - just put heavier recoil springs in their other guns to acclimate shooters?

Would have been great to have a competition single stack longslide Glock in 45 ACP for the 1911 haters in the Glock only world. Or even a single stack 16 ounce 9mm Glock so I would not have HAD to buy a nice Kahr PM9.

Candidly, I see a lot of Glock 36s on resale and consignment because they have the worst recoil on any of the Glocks - even more than my 10mm and 357 sig Glocks. So they came on strong but their sales have dipped. Can always find a nice used G36 with Trijicons and an IWB holster. And to say that about a Glock means people aren't holding onto them.

G36 and G37 both bottoms up entries - as I see them!:barf:

[Tamara]

My initial reaction to the caliber back at the SHOT show was that "High pressure + small case capacity + even thinner chamber walls = Everything bad about the .40, but in spades, yet gives up the one advantage of the .40, which is greater mag capacity over the .45. It's the worst of all possible worlds!" Interesting to note that the engineers at Glock apparently wound up feeling that way, too.

Still, though, give handloaders some time to try and whip up "+P" or 230gr loads, and I predict G37 magazine guts will be hitting the floors of ranges across America. ;)

[duncan]

Now why would Glock want to pick up and buy the rights to 45Super or 40Super for that matter?

Last time I checked the market, the 10mm was seriously gaining more shooters with all of these new 10mms out there.

Kimber has some 10mm 1911s that are selling fast and quick.

The Dan Wesson Razorbacks are selling strong.

And Glock has long been making the Glock 20 and Glock 29.

EAA Witness makes some nice value priced 10mm semiautoloaders.

So why would Gaston want to accept the libaility for guys with Glock 21s or 1911s bumping up their recoil springs and shooting 45Super? Even with the stronger cases,

the 45Super ballstics still pale to the current 10mm offerings by DoubleTapp Ammo which are delivering a true and verified . . .

707 FPE out of a stock Glock 20 No BS test, vented barrels, just a stock Glock 20.

And many 45 guns will just be battered to heck because their slides and frames were not designed for high pressure ammo.

So no - on the 45Super.

I cannot beleive that Texas Ammo and the others are not paying for 20-50 blowup guns or cracked frames for guys shooting 45 Super in 20 year old Colts. Oh well. Must make enough $$$$.

But no on the 45Super. BTW - no LEA will ever issue that because no one makes a gun in those caliber - except for one or two basement makers:neener:

[Black Snowman]

How about a .50 GAP? .50 AE cut down to 10 mm/45 ACP lenth to work in a long slide single stack for hunting. I think that would have been a better move than the .45 GAP. Then maybe I'd eventually get more than 3 choices of bullet weights (only one of them in a decent bullet) for my Desert Eagle ;)

[Sox]

Had maybe a small chance with a true 17 size slide. But he decided to stick a clunky 21 slide on top. I think his problem is simply a contextual one. If you look in the brochure for the 37 they say "slim" but refer to the length of pull not the "width" of the pistol. Maybe he lost something in translation form english to german who knows. But this whole G37 GAP thing was an arrogant stunt. I hope it fails.:rolleyes:

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

We've had this conversation. I wrote a nice essay about the good side of the .45 GAP, which has NOTHING to do with Glocks. Ahem...



A G-37 I can do without. Not that it's a bad idea, but I have a medium-frame Glock already, and I like it in .357 Sig.


But...


The .45 GAP means I can have a .45 BHP.

Or a .45 Kahr.

Or a .45 Sig 239.

Or a .45 Beretta 92.

Or a .45 Ruger PC-40.

Or a .45 Heritage Stealth.

Or etc. etc...

The .45 GAP addresses the most fundamental reason there aren't more dinkum little CCW guns in the favorite American big-bore:

Cartridge Overall Length.

When the .40 S&W came out, it was an instant hit. Everybody who was making a 9mm could very easily make a .40 without re-designing their existing product overmuch and neccessitating exorbitant re-tooling costs. That made for a huge variety of new platforms to support the new caliber that starts with .4 instead of .3, which definitely appeals to American sensibilities and puts the 9mm vs. .45 on the back burner. EVERYBODY had a .40 ready right quickly, so the market no longer had to be satisfied with less in terms of quality or availability of a gun made by their favorite brand.

Now we have a stubby .45 caliber round that (Hopefully.) will inspire a raft of manufacturers to produce big-bore guns based on their existing small-frame platforms that were created to optimize the size-efficeincy of handguns mandated to only hold ten rounds.

The only good effect of the Klintoon mag restriction was to put paid to the over-inflated worth of the wondernine. You can make a pretty small gun around a double-stack of ten 9mm's. That, however, had the effect of resurrecting the 9mm vs. .45 debate on the grounds of a sneaky little platform vs. Bullets for Real Men in a less hidable package.

The .45 GAP may just defuse that debate.

Just think of it like this:

What nifty little extra-CC-able 9mm/.40 would be THAT MUCH BETTER if it could just be available as a .45?

Now maybe it can be, at a reasonable price, even.

And of course, how many folks absolutely swear by the Browning High Power? And wished it could be available in .45 caliber persuasion from a trusted maker? I know I want one.

The lack of 230-grain loadings won't hurt much. Lots of folks really like +P 185-grain .45 ACP's. They don't seem to need the heavy bullets. The .45 GAP runs at a higher operating pressure than the old ACP, which allows it's standard-pressure loadings to bark right on the heels of the +p ACP loads. The 200-grain GAP load exceeds John Browning's ORIGINAL protoype 200-grain ACP load he offered to the military trials before the folks in charge asked for a heavier bullet. That oughta be worth something.

The premier .357 Magnum load is the 125-grain JHP, not the 158-grain bullet. What do you suppose you could get out of those 165-grain Hydra-Shoks Federal's loading in their Personal Defense line? Or the 185-grain Remington Golden Sabers that work so well in the ACP? 200 grains certainly can't be considered a LIGHTWEIGHT bullet by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the .45 GAP has a great deal of potential. What remains to be seen is whether or not the Amercan shooting public and the American gun industry can be convinced to realize and appreciate that potential. Not whether the G-37 is a good idea.

The G-37 could be said to be a solution in search of a problem. But hey, they used to say that about lasers, too.

The .45 GAP is a caliber in search of a platform. Not such a bad thing, really.

The possibilities are endless. A .45 Seecamp? Or a KelTec P-45? Or a .45 PPK? An inexpensive .45 Luger? Maybe a .45 3913?...

:)

[George Hill]

The .45 GAP means I can have a .45 BHP.

Doubt it. FN would rather die first.

Or a .45 Kahr.

Kahr probably wouldn't get near it either.

Or a .45 Sig 239.

It took them long enough to roll out a .40, and when they did, it was a whole new gun.

Or a .45 Beretta 92.

Are you kidding?

Or a .45 Ruger PC-40.

Maybe, but would you really want one?

Or a .45 Heritage Stealth.

Now I know you kidding.

[Devonai]

I am dubious about those who classify the G37 as (sort of) a G21 slide over a G17 frame. I've seen the photographs in the gun rags from all angles and I do not see this going on at all. The G37 looks to be exactly the same as the G17/22/31.

[PCRCCW]

I think it will hit the toilet. IMO, the world doesnt need another 45 round.

Ammo makers are taking the 45 Acp to levels it can be and doing a damn good job of it.

Corbon Powerball is in the 600 FPE range from most fullsize guns and frankly if you want more than that...by a 10mm.

This is a passing fancy of a chambering.

Shoot well.

[Pat S]

Devonai said: I am dubious about those who classify the G37 as (sort of) a G21 slide over a G17 frame. I've seen the photographs in the gun rags from all angles and I do not see this going on at all. The G37 looks to be exactly the same as the G17/22/31.

The guns shown in the magazine were PROTOTYPES, and yes they do have a G17 sized slide. Unfortunately the guns that are being produced have a radiused G21 slide.


Pat S.

[varoadking]

...much interest in the US, but globally, I'd say it becomes as well received as some of the other odd calibers you see out there, perhaps better.

No, I don't have or want one either.

[Ky Larry]

It might catch on if some other gun maker manufactured a gun for it, especialy at a lower price. Glocks are out of a lot of peoples price range and a lot of people don't like them. If Ruger would chamber a 'P' series in .45GAP it would help popularize the round.

[Hawkman]

Ruger still makes the P series? Why?

[gulogulo1970]

It is a round that will do nothing better than any existing round. With that in mind, why would anyone buy a gun chambered in such a strange caliber. At least the people who favor the 10mm can say it does things other pistol calibers can't. And with that the 10mm is hanging on by a thread(lately it is getting some new fireams to shoot it). The 45 Glock is going be just a memory.

Why won't they make a full sized single stack 45ACP?!?!

[Bainx]

Who needs the 45 GAP?
If you can't do what you need to do with a 9mm, 40, 45 acp, etc. you ain't tryin' too hard.

[natedog]

Ruger still makes the P series because it is durable, reliable, inexpensive, and accurate. Plus, there are loads of full cap. mags around.

[Cellar Dweller]

10mm is dead, because nobody makes guns and nobody sells ammo and nobody makes bullets and only hobbyists and reloaders will use it and someday all the brass will run out and then what will you do?:scrutiny:

.45GAP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will revitalize the firearms industry! :neener:

Or is it the other way around (mostly)? :evil:

[Big Boomer]

Does anyone know what the purpose was of the 45 GAP to begin with? Was this another solution in search of problem?

[DougDubya]

Big boomer - it had to do with cutting out all th extra, empty airspace in the .45 ACP since the invention of modern gunpowders.

[james_bond]

I read an article somewhere that said something to the efffect that "the gap was the best answer to a question that no one asked"

[possum]

the .45 gap in my opinion hasn't caught on yet and it has been out for quite a while and i don't think that it ever will.

[Stephen A. Camp]

It appears that not much has changed since this 2003 thread was brought back.