Mosin Nagnat appeal


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jbkebert
February 16, 2009, 01:24 AM
I am starting to wonder if I am the only one on this forum that does not own a Mosin Nagnat. What is the appeal of this rifle? I guess for the money it would be a good cheap gun. Are they accurate to any degree?

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coloradokevin
February 16, 2009, 01:37 AM
I also don't own one. Still, I suppose that part of the appeal probably comes from the idea of getting a decent new-ish rifle for under $100.

I've heard that the accuracy is reasonable from these guns, and I have more than one friend who has owned one as a first gun!

cbrgator
February 16, 2009, 01:39 AM
Cheap Gun. Cheap Ammo. Accurate enough.

WardenWolf
February 16, 2009, 01:39 AM
1. It's cheap.

2. It's accurate if you buy one with a good barrel.

3. It'll down anything in North America with ease.

4. It's reliable.

5. Did I mention it's a cheap high-power rifle?

Funderb
February 16, 2009, 01:39 AM
mine is quite accurate, fun to shoot. I have a 91/30 and m44, the 91/30 is preferred, because it is easier on the recoil.
definitely worth the money.

sharkhunter2018
February 16, 2009, 02:05 AM
What's not to like. Dirt cheap rifle that shoots dirt cheap ammo. Find one with a good bore and it'll be plenty accurate for most needs. I should also mention they are fun to shoot. And if you get a carbine model, those are a blast to shoot...no pun intended of course:D

FlyinBryan
February 16, 2009, 02:24 AM
ive only owned one a couple of weeks.

the only other rifles ive owned have been upper end semiautos.

i havent really been interested in anything that couldnt shoot sub moa (lately), but this mosin has really grown on me. my last trip to the range i was able to shoot some playing card sized groups at 50yds with the standard sights.

i think its the power. the backstop dirt really flies, its a cannon compared to the ar15's, ak's, sks's, and mini14's ive been shooting.

i might be going out on a limb here, but i would dare to say its the most powerful, best performing rifle you can get for the money (three times over)

expvideo
February 16, 2009, 02:25 AM
I am starting to wonder if I am the only one on this forum that does not own a Mosin Nagnat. What is the appeal of this rifle? I guess for the money it would be a good cheap gun. Are they accurate to any degree?
-It's cheap ($70-110 on average)
-The ammo's cheap ($80 for 440 rnds)
-The ammo is powerful enough to kill anything that breathes in the entire western hemisphere
-It is probably the single most reliable weapon platform ever created by man
-It is also one of the simplest weapons to operate
-It is really easy to train new shooters to use in an emergency situation in a matter of minutes
-It is relatively lightweight
-It is incredibly durable
-It is somewhat accurate
-It can be used as a blunt weapon, tent pole, hammer, oar, or piece of firewood in a pinch
-Did I mention it's cheap?

Thingster
February 16, 2009, 02:36 AM
Allright, I agree with everything that has been said so far except for this part:

-It is relatively lightweight

Since when is 9-10 lbs "relatively light weight" in a .308/30-06 equivalent platform? If we were looking at a 7-8lb gun I'd agree, but that extra couple of pounds really adds up in a hurry, especially if you're hoofing it for any distance.


I bought one as a truck gun. Something that could get rained on, beat around on, and I really wouldn't be out anything if it got stolen. In that capacity it does great, except I have a 91/30 which can be a bit of a handful. I want to pick up another 91/30 and do a "91/59" to it, but more extreme. Instead of knocking it back to 20", i want to take it all the way back to 16.5 to have as light and quick handling of gun as possible in decently powerful cartridge.

jbkebert
February 16, 2009, 02:46 AM
I was thinking of a rifle to keep in the scabbard on the tractor seems to fit the bill.

expvideo
February 16, 2009, 02:48 AM
Since when is 9-10 lbs "relatively light weight" in a .308/30-06 equivalent platform? If we were looking at a 7-8lb gun I'd agree, but that extra couple of pounds really adds up in a hurry, especially if you're hoofing it for any distance.

My M38 is a 7-8lb gun. It handles quickly enough, and it spits a 4" fireball because the barrel isn't long enough to burn all of the powder, so I don't know if it's really worth it to chop it down to 16.5". But whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind that the shorter the barrel gets the more it kicks, and my M38 kicks like a mule.

PTK
February 16, 2009, 02:50 AM
I've been known to give them out as "first" guns to more than a few folks. :)

Todd1700
February 16, 2009, 02:58 AM
What's not to love? You can get an arsenal refurbished Mosin Nagant in virtually new condition for 100 bucks or less out the door. Where else can you get a perfectly functional like new rifle that fires a round powerful enough to kill anything on the North American continent (and most things on the planet) for under 100 bucks? Sure you aren't going to win a benchrest competition with one of them but most are easily accurate enough for hunting purposes. And for the money some people spend on a dedicated benchrest scope/rifle combo you could buy 10 or more Mosins. For plinking there is still tons of cheap surplus ammo out there. I could go shoot 440 rounds of surplus 7.62x54r for a little more than it would cost you to buy 3 boxes of shells for a 270 or 7mm mag in some places. And for hunting there are plenty of choices out there as well.

Once you buy one and visit a few forums dedicated to those who collect them then you discover just how many different variants exist. Izhevsk or Tula made recievers, Round or hex reciever, 91/30s, 91/38s/ 91/44s. Russian models, Chinese models, Polish models, sniper versions etc, etc, and of course the best and most accurate Mosins the Finnish models like the M27, M28, M28-30 and M39. Collecting them becomes an addictive disease called Mosinitis.

expvideo
February 16, 2009, 03:05 AM
Collecting them becomes an addictive disease called Mosinitis.
Is that like an inflamation of your Mosin?

JimmAr
February 16, 2009, 03:06 AM
I sold both of mine to a friend..those old beat up sticks shot pretty good.. but I knew were incapable of being decent weapons without bubbaing them so I just sold them off.. hopefully I can get an unissued unfired finnish m39..by tikka or sky.. probably run me around $600 dollars.. would be a jewel to go with my bnz steyr k98.

However if anyone wants a big bore plinker.. theres nothing better then those $69 dollar sticks...

Todd1700
February 16, 2009, 06:09 AM
hopefully I can get an unissued unfired finnish m39..by tikka or sky.. probably run me around $600 dollars..

Well the Tikka would run you that much because it's highly collectable. But an unissued VKT or B Barrel M39 can be had for much less and shoot just as accurately. Have you looked here? http://www.gunsnammo.com/

stubbicatt
February 16, 2009, 08:58 AM
Well, not everybody likes the same things.

Once I got the chamber really clean on my faux sniper, the action smoothed right up. It shoots where I aim it, and with ammo it likes mine will shoot 3 shots in a 1" square at 100 yards, on occasion. To use the scope is different than most sporting optics I have used.

I presently own two of them, one of which I rarely shoot, it is an older hex receivered version.

I am finding here at this stage of my life that slow fire, methodical aiming and practice, is having the greatest beneficial effect on my marksmanship. Shooting 60 rounds of $.07 apiece ammo for $4.20 with great precision is a bargain, compared with a $10 to $15 dollar magazine full of AR15 rounds, which for some unknown reason I tend to expend rapidly.

The older hex receivered version has arsenal repairs to the wood forend. It is a 1930's Izzy. I don't know for certain but I suspect that the repairs were due to bayonet usage. Sometimes when I hold it in my hands I wonder how many times it was dropped and reissued in its service to the Soviet Union?

These are relics of a monumental struggle, the likes of which I cannot imagine. All for less than a Century Note.

My $.02.

expvideo
February 16, 2009, 09:53 AM
Anyone that can afford them would be better served buying 10 of these rifles than another M4 for SHTF. If the SHTF, being able to arm the people around you will be much more useful than another black rifle. Just my $.02

Clipper
February 16, 2009, 10:58 AM
I think the Mosin-Nagant is by far the best looking milsurp, and that sporters made from them are really good looking. The shape of the magazine/trigger guard shows real style, and with a bit of 'softening', my project Mannlicher stocked M-N will be a real beauty...

SpeedAKL
February 16, 2009, 11:10 AM
It's basically the cheapest way into a high-power rifle. That alone makes it worth looking into.

In addition, it's a fun piece of history, it's accurate enough to hunt with in the longer-barreled versions, and the carbines are great fun to shoot with their excessive fireballs, giant bayonets, huge muzzle blast, and healthy recoil.

Bbqznbeer
February 16, 2009, 11:43 AM
I have two.
A 1936 Tula , Finnish capture , 91/30 and a 1945 M44 Izhevsk.
Very hardy battlerifles , not really made as MOA rifles but more of MO-Man.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Timberlord/M44%20Izhevsk/M44f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Timberlord/MosinNagent/MN2.jpg

jbkebert
February 16, 2009, 12:22 PM
I have two.
A 1936 Tula , Finnish capture , 91/30 and a 1945 M44 Izhevsk.
Very hardy battlerifles , not really made as MOA rifles but more of MO-Man.

A couple of fine looking rifles you have there.

I am not looking for a SHTF gun or a evil black rifle could care less. I just want something that is pretty cheap to shoot. I have several high powered rifles from a .243 to a .375 H&H. The Mosin seems like a perfect blend of function, price and decent accuracy. I think I'll start looking around for one. Thanks for all of you input.

tunnug
February 16, 2009, 12:43 PM
Here you go this will answer all your questions.
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

fastbike
February 16, 2009, 10:03 PM
I love the guy that sold the Moisin because it was "incapable of being a decent weapon".

The German army at Stalingrad probably disagree. The guns have a fair bit of history, the cartridge even more. It's the oldest military cartridge still in use.

Also pretty impervious to abuse.

trigga
February 16, 2009, 11:15 PM
wow just reading about the ammo and price of the gun itself makes me want to get one just for the hell of it. i can use another experimental deer rifle. i saw one at the local gun shop, the finish was rough and action stiff so i wasn't interested but never looked at the price. are there various brands? a better brand? yes they are popular site at the range.

rshackleford
February 16, 2009, 11:24 PM
just bought one this weekend. i was going to get a mini 14 but had a lot of posts on this subject so i got my fix for a new rifle in a new mossin.

i paid $90 and montana so no sales tax.

mine seems to be a 91/30 Tula with a 1940 stamped below it.

i shot it today. its about 15 degrees out so i went with non-corrosive ammo because it would have been a pain in the a** to clean outside in the cold.

it was an awesome to shoot. hit my first shot at 100 yards, second at 150, and third at 200. the recoil wasn't that bad (i am used to a 270).

this rifle was really cool.

non-corrosive at $10.50/20

corrosive at $5.50/20

helz_mcfugly
February 16, 2009, 11:30 PM
and for an extra $65 I stuck a stock like this on it, took the rear site off and put some 22 rings on it and a good pistol scope (or you could use a rifle scope with a long eye relief) and have a really nice hunting or bench rifle. did anyone mention they are cheap and cheap ammo. :D I enjoy the he11 out of mine. I have 3 of them. I only altered 1 and stuck the other 2 in a safe to give to my kids later.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92369&stc=1&d=1233982792
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92370&stc=1&d=1233982801

ds92
February 16, 2009, 11:49 PM
Anyone that can afford them would be better served buying 10 of these rifles than another M4 for SHTF. If the SHTF, being able to arm the people around you will be much more useful than another black rifle. Just my $.02

+1. i hope to get a few mosins soon

Jaws
February 17, 2009, 12:31 AM
The Mosin is the last cheap major firearm of WW2. A piece of history you can own and shoot for the price of a night out. How can anyone not like them.:)

280shooter
February 17, 2009, 01:02 AM
years ago a friend of mine had bought one of the 44s..I never heard one being shot..so It sure was a big surprize to hear that guns roar...scared the crap out of me,and the fireball.....holy crap it was like a dragons breath,,I mean this thing looked brand new like it just left the factory,, he also had one of the longer 91.now that wasnt nearly as loud.and lots less fire balling..

Man I want one..LOL..not to sure what one,, but it will be soon.. maybe i;ll sell my sks with the folding stock and buy 2 -44s maybe one 44 and one 91,

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