Local Sheriff's office requires Glock or Sig, which?


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Knlghtrlder
February 17, 2009, 06:59 PM
:DFirst time poster.... first time poster!:D

I plan on getting out of college in a year and a half. After that, I want to work for the Hillsborough County Sheriffs office as a uniformed deputy. They require their deputies to provide their own firearms. The two options are Glock .40cal or Sig .40cal. I would like to get a CC anyway, so I would like to get one or the other. I don't mind a heavier gun, as (with what pinheaddidly small experience I have with weapons) I believe a heavier barrel = more stability = better accuracy. I also like the idea of an inside-the-waisteband holster. Perhaps that means a thinner weapon for comfort? I'm 220lb 6'2 24 year old. Being that I go to college, I won't be wearing the weapon most of the time seeing as having it on campus is illegal.

On a side note, does anyone know of a good website for dummies not wanting to be dummies anymore in the ways up weapons. (ie the fact that I don't know which is bigger, 9mm or 40 cal) Just today, I bought my first gun range membership. I shot a 9mm Glock 22. (Also not knowing the difference in models) It felt good. But I also have nothing to compare it to. Kind of like a caveman having his favorite rock to hit his prey with when there's a knife right next to him .... Is that analogy confusing? I digress...

All that being said. Glock or Sig? Price can be an issue, but I'm also not in a hurry. However, ammunition price may be. I've read in magazines that some guns can have their guts changed out so one can use 22 ammo to save money. Is this wise? Or does that ability lessen the reliability and sturdyness of the weapon?

Thanks,
Jeremy

PS. I just did some research in the Glock site and apparently the Glock 22 is .40 cal. So apparently I shot the Glock .40cal today. Heh...

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rscalzo
February 17, 2009, 07:35 PM
As someone who might be on a budget, the Glock LE pricing is significantly less. However the LE pricing will not be available until you are sworn and on the job.

3pairs12
February 17, 2009, 07:42 PM
The Glock 22 is probably what you would end up with if you took the Glock route. Thats what a lot of depts are carrying. There is a converson kit for the Glock to shoot .22cal rounds not sure about the Sig. If it were up to me I would vote Glock but you really need to shoot the Sig and see what you like best and shoot best. Your life could very well depend on it. Oh by the way this is the sight for you there is much to learn here. Use the search function you could probably find an old thread comparing the 2. So welcome aboard.

GRIZ22
February 17, 2009, 07:44 PM
You should also look at the G23. It's the mid size version, same size as the G19. It's a little smaller than the 22 but could serve as duty and off duty weapon.

Supertac45
February 17, 2009, 07:47 PM
I'd go with the Sig. Our Dept. issues Glock model 22's. I hate them. Privately, I own zero Glocks, 6 Sigs. There is no comparison between them.

NG VI
February 17, 2009, 07:49 PM
Sig just started selling a conversion slide recently I think. Check out the G22, G23, Sig P226, Sig P229, and also the SP2340. Those are all duty-capable guns in .40 from your two makers. Rent them, make friends with people who own them and provide the ammo for some shooting, fondle them in shops, anything to get a feel for which platform you like better.

JWJacobVT
February 17, 2009, 07:53 PM
Which fits/feels better in your hand??? Don't forget to try houge grips on both. Then decide after you fire both and it feels right.
I prefer the Sig as it feels better in my hand and I have better groups with it. Others do better with the Glock, Glocks don't feel right to me and my groups are terrible. Of course I carry a S&W 1006 on duty and a 1066 off. But my sig 229 is still in the safe. Just my 2 cents.

Pulse
February 17, 2009, 07:59 PM
Glock or Sig?

sacred question and impossible to answare over the internet.
only personal expiriance can and will tell.
go rent them, Glock 22 and 23, SIG 226 and SIG229 are the guns you are limited to.

Price can be an issue, but I'm also not in a hurry.

Glocks are cheaper then SIG pistols.
however, both companys give LEO a rebate, while SIG will still be more expensiv, not by as mutch before the rebate
Glock magazins are also cheaper then SIG magazins. (not sure about the LEO rabate regarding Mags).

However, ammunition price may be.

you will be a LEO, ammo will never be a problem to get for you.
i am also not sure if ammo companys will give rabates on there ammo?

I've read in magazines that some guns can have their guts changed out so one can use 22 ammo to save money.

as far as i know, of the 4 Pistols only the 226 and 229(*) have that abillity to switch to .22lr.
also, the P226 has kits to change a .40cal 226 in to a .357SIG version, but that wont give you the abillity for cheaper training, just some more ooomph if you want too. ;)

(*) as far as i know, the kit to change a P229 only works with the none rail models of the P229, since it will be your duty gun you might want to have a rail. P226 kits should work on both frames.


Is this wise? Or does that ability lessen the reliability and sturdyness of the weapon?

changing the "guts" will not affect relaiabillity or sturdyness of your firearm when in '.40 cal mode', no guarantees for the .22lr mode.
changing calibers only means new Slide/Barrel/recoil spring, parts that are easy to change and require no tools and have to be disassembled for cleaning.

is it wise?
certainly.
you said you are new to guns, geting good with one will require a lot of training and since you plane on depending on that firearm to protect yours and the lifes of others, some more practice on top of that would be good.
.22lr kits allow you to do that with the added realism of a firearm that goes bang and the same external controlls with the firearm you will be using.
unlike simply dryfire training and using a dedicated .22lr pistol for the practical training.

however, nothing can replace training with ammo will use 'in the field' and carry everyday.

On a side note, does anyone know of a good website for dummies

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396584

after that ->

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php

lots of good advice if you search for it.

Duke of Doubt
February 17, 2009, 08:19 PM
Local PD here carry Sigs. I've never known any department except DC which carried Glocks. And that did not go at all well.

planetmobius
February 17, 2009, 09:23 PM
Sig hands down.

Vicious-Peanut
February 17, 2009, 09:24 PM
IMO, Sig.

jmr40
February 17, 2009, 09:39 PM
I own both. The Sig is nicer but does nothing the Glock will not do just as well for $250 less.

The Lone Haranguer
February 17, 2009, 09:49 PM
Do you have experience with either gun? If not, try renting them (or similar models) and see which one you like/shoot better. The Glock may be a little more forgiving of harsh weather conditions and less than perfect maintenance.

Knlghtrlder
February 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
Well, going by reviews, sig looks more likable, but the glock website is way flashier and enticing, in how it talks about the saftey trigger and the durability (mud, sand, dirt etc). Also, the difference between single and double action. I guess one has a hammer and one doesn't?

tipoc
February 17, 2009, 10:03 PM
For newbies and just a plain good site for anyone I recommend this...

http://www.corneredcat.com/

Yep it's geared to women. Nothing personal meant in that. This site just happens to be one of the best on the internet for basic questions being asked and answered without a lot of BS.

tipoc

NG VI
February 17, 2009, 10:05 PM
The Glock is a pre-cocked striker-fired system, the Sig uses a traditional DA/SA system with decocker. Both work quite well, I like the short reset on the Glock trigger, haven't gotten to shoot a Sig before, but I do really like my two Glocks.

The Lone Haranguer
February 17, 2009, 10:07 PM
Most SIGs are double action for the first shot, single action thereafter unless and until you decock, which puts them back to double action. You do need to learn both types of trigger pulls and to quickly transition between them. There is also a DAO (double action only, called DAK) trigger system available. The Glock has the same short trigger stroke all the time. This makes it less forgiving of less than perfect handling and attention to safety procedures. Their pointing, handling and recoil characteristics are quite different. Again, I would encourage you to try them out first by renting, if possible.

Knlghtrlder
February 18, 2009, 12:10 AM
Ok, well thanks for the overwhelming and very useful information. I've now spent half of the day reading, rereading, and browsing theHighRoad and other sites. I especially thank tipoc for recommending corneredcat.com. That's exactly what I was looking for for a noob such as myself. I'll soon be going to the gun range regularly to see which is a better fit for me. Next step- finding the right person's leg to up to get into the law enforcement agency of choice!

Erik
February 18, 2009, 12:10 AM
The Glock and Sig lines are well represented in American law enforcement circles, and for good reason. Both have pros and cons that have been hashed out ad nauseum on forums like this. It really does come down to personal preference, regardless of what some suggest. That and budget, which you mentioned may be a concern. Glock gets the nod in that department to the extent that the difference can be applied to a fair amount of the rest of the gear what you may have to or will want to acquire.

Best of luck - E

ArchAngelCD
February 18, 2009, 04:24 AM
IMO the Sig hands down. (you should have made a Poll)

9mmepiphany
February 18, 2009, 04:26 AM
if you're interested, drop over to the Sigforum...they're friendly too

as a matter of fact, you might look up a member named 220ST...Steve...who lives in Tampa. he'll be happy to show you his guns and get you started down the right path. tell him i sent you

XD9WBT
February 18, 2009, 09:31 AM
This is a great site for a beginner and yes it was written for women but the person that wrote it, a woman, has credentials out the wazoo.

http://www.corneredcat.com/

3pairs12
February 18, 2009, 10:39 AM
www.glocktalk.com is another good site

Caliban
February 18, 2009, 11:03 AM
All the internet talk in the world will not tell you which TRIGGER you like better. To me that is the most important aspect of a gun. Any manual of arms can be learned if you practice and train enough. I loved Glocks until I shot one; something about the trigger safety really just did not work for me. I like the idea of having the exact same trigger feel every time I pull it though, and I see lots of NYPD with the Sig P229 DAK- if you're thinking Sig, give both their DA/SA and DAK models a try. The DAK is "you either love it or hate it".

I wound up with a 1911 due to my trigger issues, but I guess that's not an option for you- however, someone had to mention 1911s.

9mmepiphany
February 18, 2009, 02:07 PM
if you do like a constant trigger pull, the DAK is an outstanding option

Snarlingiron
February 18, 2009, 02:30 PM
Local Sheriff's office requires Glock or Sig, which?

Oh no you didn't! Talk to the hand.

Seriously, I am a Glock guy. I have 3 of them. Sigs are certainly well made with regard to quality. With that said, one of my particular dislikes in a combat pistol is lots of levers, buttons, jimcracks and gewgaws (which makes Beretta 92's just about my least favorite of all). Glocks have none of these. When you remove it from the holster it is ready for bidness.

Just my thinking. Others as evidenced by the above comments have other ideas. Theirs are no better or worse than mine.

Only range time with the candidates will tell you which camp you fall into.

testosterone
February 18, 2009, 02:46 PM
eh.

They are both high quality pistols. Both are used by armed forces and PD's the world over.

Which one is "better" is irrelevant.

With the pistols in question, the operator is what matters, not the pistol.

prelaw09
February 18, 2009, 02:53 PM
as far as i know, of the 4 Pistols only the 226 and 229(*) have that abillity to switch to .22lr.
also, the P226 has kits to change a .40cal 226 in to a .357SIG version, but that wont give you the abillity for cheaper training, just some more ooomph if you want too.

If you buy the Sig in 40 or 357, you can switch to 9mm also, but not the other way around.

MarcusWendt
February 18, 2009, 02:54 PM
I've tried to like Glocks, but it never takes. I do LOVE my Sigs. They are more expensive, but you get what you pay for.

I've never heard of a department requiring you to purchase your own weapon. WOW!

xxxstarmaniac
February 18, 2009, 02:59 PM
The glock 22 in 40 cal can be switched to 9mm or 357sig with lonewolf dist. barrels.

That way you can plink with the nine, and carry the 40 or 357sig, whichever you feel like on any given day.
http://www.lonewolfdist.com

rscalzo
February 18, 2009, 05:29 PM
not by as mutch before the rebate

The difference is well over tweo hundred. The rebate does not apply if you get a SIG through the individual officer purchase.

you will be a LEO, ammo will never be a problem to get for you.
i am also not sure if ammo companys will give rabates on there ammo?

Keep dreaming. Most departments supply duty and qualification ammo. Don't think you will walk in and be issued a few hundred rounds anything the mood strikes.

have that abillity to switch to .22lr.

The 220 has a conversion kit. they are hard to come by. sig is concentrating on the production of handguns and not the conversion kits at this time.

possum
February 18, 2009, 09:29 PM
welcome to thr, i would say go for the glock all the way, later on down the road if you want a bug you can get a mini glock to go with your duty guns, mags will be interchangable. glocks have tons of accessories and spare parts and they run and run. they are easy to maintain, and very user friendly, mags are easy to come by too for the glock. plus the glock will cost you less, if you are an leo you can get a stock nib glock with three hi cap mags for $398.20

punkndisorderly
February 18, 2009, 10:16 PM
Does your department have an armorer that's certified on both? That might sway you one way or another.

The Glock is also super simple to take all the way down for cleaning or maintenance and parts are cheap and easy to come by.

The Sig will give you a lot more options though in terms of safeties and actions.

Knlghtrlder
February 25, 2009, 01:03 PM
Well. I've shot the Glock 22, and I've shot a Sig 226. Final Verdict? Sig. Glock feels more like a plastic toy, Sig feels like it a weapon. Me personally, I like the dings and whistles. I love the short trigger pull. I like being able to decock the hammer, giving it a very heavy trigger pull. I like how the gun field strips. The only thing I like better on the Glock is the mag. I like the windows, where you can see exactly how many rounds are present. I'm hoping maybe aftermarket mags? I don't know much about the weapon accessory market. Other then that, I believe Sig-nation has recruited another follower.

Thanks for you time and input, everyone.

Jolly Rogers
February 25, 2009, 01:49 PM
Glad you made an informed decision. If the witness holes in the mags really irritate you...make them bigger. Empty out the mag follower and spring and enlarge and deburr the holes to your preference. I don't see how it could hurt anything and it would make id'ing the mags easier if you drop one at the range. Stay away from the mag lock cut in the mag to make sure it functions properly.
Joe

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