Glock 19 vs SIG 229 vs HK USPc. what would you pick and why


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prelaw09
February 18, 2009, 01:49 PM
Hi all-

So to start my pistol collection I have decided (with some help from the fine folks here) to get a full size, mid size/ compact, and a wheelgun. For the full size I am getting a 5" 1911 in 45acp. For the wheel gun, it will be a 6" 357. For the mid size, I want a 9mm. I have shot them all and shoot them all about the same. So out of the three above, what would you pick and why. Thanks for the help.

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MarcusWendt
February 18, 2009, 01:50 PM
The Sig hands down. Great firearm, more accurate than both the Glock and HK. Much better quality than the Glock, about the same quality as the HK. HK customer service blows.

Go Sig.

St.Pete7
February 18, 2009, 04:43 PM
No doubt in my mind either, SIG... I don't have the trigger time behind on a HK so I'm looking at the Glock 19 vs the SIG 229.
The Glock 19 is no doubt a well-made pistol from a well-run company. However, in my opinion, the 229's combination of size, capacity, and overall ergonomics takes the cakes between these fine autos. I'd be happy to have either one in a dangerous situation, but the SIG 229's feel and function makes it a favorite for me:)
-St.Pete7

Supertac45
February 18, 2009, 06:02 PM
Sig 229. I have 3 of them. Absolutely the best pistol out there.

legion3
February 18, 2009, 06:07 PM
I have 4 Glock 19's and 1 HK USPC 9 and a HK P2000 and I own 0 sigs.
Sigs have never done it for me, to me the Glock is simple, cost effective, has a longer track record, and has cheaper mags so I can load up on them...just in case. Everybody and their brother is a Glock armorer, and its gots lots of aftermarket stuff and spare parts are cheap and its also easy to work on. Plus I have mastered (not that hard) the quick trigger reset on the Glock.

The HK's are nice and I got them used like new for reasonable prices but I would not plop down the $$$ for a new HK, just too pricey and the mags :eek:

I want to like Sigs but I just can't.

Boats
February 18, 2009, 06:29 PM
If any Glock has a longer "track record" than SIG, that is news to the world since the original SIG P22x series pistol was adopted in 9mm by Switzerland in 1975, fully five years before Gaston Glock was even invited to think about competing for the Austrian Army pistol contract he eventually filled in 1982.

Though I am not a fan of sawed off duty pistols, out of the choices, I'd go with the SIG.

Glock=crap ergonomics (non-standard grip angle, annoying finger bumps.)
H&K=crap trigger, then again, the "c" isn't very "compact" either.

Therefore the SIG is the least objectionable, as well as possessing the "longest track record."

Spanky_64
February 18, 2009, 06:35 PM
I have never owned a HK, so I can't comment on that one. I did own a Glock 23 and 32, but never a 19. I currently have a Sig 229, but it is also of the .40 cal variety.
That being said, I would be left to compare the Glock vs. Sig. I have read time and time again that many consider the Glock 19 to be one of the best "all around" pistols out there. At the same time, it's hard to overlook Sig's reputation for quality.
Also, I'd ask you how you're planning to use them. For CCW/day-to-day carry, the Glock might have the advantage because it is much lighter than the Sig (polymer vs. metal).
A Glock is a Glock is a Glock, whereas the Sig can be had in different trigger variations. The one I own is a DAK, which I personally like a lot. That should be something to consider.
The Glock grip size can also be an issue, as it has been (IMHO) surpassed in recent years by better designs. Not necessarily the angle, but is relatively large for some people.
Finally....price. Cheapest to most expensive - Glock, Sig, HK.
So, in the end, look at all these factors and then make your selection. You can't go wrong.

Duke of Doubt
February 18, 2009, 06:39 PM
Beretta 92FS.

legion3
February 18, 2009, 06:44 PM
Therefore the SIG is the least objectionable, as well as possessing the "longest track record."

I'm sorry when was the 229 introduced not the 22x series. I was refering to the actual gun in the post.

The least objectionable to you but not to me. :neener:

CPshooter
February 18, 2009, 07:33 PM
I voted USPc. I used to own several Glocks and sold them all to fund my H&K addiction. H&Ks just feel better in my hand and shoot much better for me. My USP .40 Compact is the only gun that puts a smile on my face when I'm done shooting it. Partly because of how smooth and fun it is to shoot and partly because it's scary accurate. I definitely can't say the same for my Glocks. I just feel that H&K makes the best polymer handgun. I also have more faith in my H&Ks as far as reliability is concerned. I'd carry it without worry even after 500 rounds and no cleaning. I wouldn't do that with my Glocks after 200 rounds.

I don't have much experience with Sigs, so I won't comment too much on them. They are high-quality guns and have really nice SA triggers. I just think they are a bit heavy for concealed carry.

My vote goes to the USPc. Here's mine:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/TonyG749/photo-55.jpg

Rodentman
February 18, 2009, 07:33 PM
I don't have an HK but I prefer the feel of the Sig to the Glock. To me the Sig feels better in my hand and it is more accurate, at least for me.

I am lucky enough to have more than 1 auto, but if I had to pick one it would be the Sig.

10-Ring
February 18, 2009, 08:41 PM
I have & swear by my G19 & USPc 9 -- great guns - 100% reliable and more than adequate accuracy

gglass
February 18, 2009, 08:50 PM
Smith & Wesson M&P

Why?


More than 370 LE agencies have made the M&P their issued firearm since it was introduced in 2006. (That is more new contracts than any other firearm brand by a wide margin)

Made in America

punkndisorderly
February 18, 2009, 09:09 PM
I'd go with a Glock (though maybe not the 19). Take the savings over the Sig or HK and buy a custom carry rig and swap the sights out if I intended it to be a carry gun.

For a house gun, I'd take the savings and get a good quality tac light (or light/laser combo). My 34 gets house duty and I set it up with a M6X light/laser combo. I've looked at other pistols since but always end up thinking "Hmm, there's nothing wrong with my 34, think I'll go buy some ammo instead".

Hanafuda
February 19, 2009, 12:16 AM
I would've voted Glock 19 if I HAD TO go with one of the three on your list. Why? Plenty accurate enough, extremely tough, extremely reliable, same trigger pull every shot, and priced better while doing the job absolutely just as well.


Anyway, I didn't vote for the Glock. I also vote for the S&W M&P 9mm. In addition to being American made and priced better than any you mentioned, this gun is (IMHO) an improvement over other striker-fired designs, particularly the Glock.

The M&P
1) has better ergonomics. Fit is adjustable and grip is high.
2) improves on the Glock rail design by integrating the slide rails into the chunky steel trigger and sear housings, instead of just having little rails stuck in the frame plastic. There are steel plates embedded inside the frame to strengthen the points where these 'blocks' are pinned in place, too.
3) improves on the striker design by introducing air channels to the striker assembly channel, and provides ambidextrous slide lock and l-r switchable mag release
4) has a fully supported chamber for all available calibers
5) has a blocking tab designed into the extractor so it can't be blown from the frame
6) has conventional rifling so you can shoot lead
7) has an extended 'beavertail' section for recoil reduction, comfort
8) comes with nice steel Novak 3-dot sights, a steel recoil guide rod, and seamless steel bodied mags. Contact between the mag notch and the mag release is steel on steel.

And you can buy it for under $500, cuz its not an import.

I bought my M&P last fall. Haven't been able to shoot it alot because the ammo is scarce, but I do prefer it to the Glock I used to own. My next time to the range will involve some rested target shooting for groups, but last time I was just blasting away for fun and break-in, and was having no trouble pegging 12oz. soda bottles at 20-25yds. It's a very easy pistol to handle.

legion3
February 19, 2009, 05:34 AM
Smith & Wesson M&P

Made in America

cuz its not an import.


Two reasons that should actually give you pause, given what the state of manufacturing is and the lack of quality in actual "Made in America" products.

Do you know where your Ford or Chevy is made?

prelaw09
February 19, 2009, 09:57 AM
Thanks guys- Keep em coming.

I should have said that this will be just to have. I will not be carrying because it is verboten here, so use will mostly be range fun.

Hanafuda
February 19, 2009, 10:02 AM
If its just to have for target shooting at the range, then think outside your current box and consider the CZ75b, a Browning HiPower, or a 1911 in 9mm. All better range guns than the plastic defense pistol trio you listed.

Pulse
February 19, 2009, 11:19 AM
All better range guns than the plastic defense pistol trio you listed.

SIG P229 is a plastic pistol?
here i was, thinking the only plastic pistol SIG has is the SIGPro..

i would go with the P229, Pistol will be as accurate as you are, reliable and durable to the point where your grandchildren will still shoot it.

Funderb
February 19, 2009, 11:25 AM
glock will be the least expensive for a quality arm. unless you really shop.

crebralfix
February 19, 2009, 11:29 AM
Glock 19:

Best balance between capacity, size, concealability, and finish.

But, the #1 reason is MAINTENANCE. A small tool, $25 manual, and $50-100 in spare parts is all you need (except barrel, slide, and frame). NO classes required.

If you want to work on sights, one more tool that costs $80-100 is all that is required.

Floppy_D
February 19, 2009, 11:29 AM
If you go with the popular opinion, you risk being dissapointed. Rent all three and shoot them first, they're all fine choices. Stick with your favorite.

prelaw09
February 19, 2009, 11:40 AM
I have rented them all... and then some.
They all have things that I like and don't like, or like better about the others.

Glock- I shoot it very well, but it is ugly as sin and feels like a brick. I like the light weight, 15 round mags and the fact that it and its mags are inexpensive and that parts are easily found. I don't really like that the "safety" is in the trigger and that is has no hammer.

Sig- I like the da/sa and decocker. price of gun and mags is middle of the road. The gun feels great in the hand and I shoot it very well, but slower than the HK. It is the heaviest and feels "top heavy" almost unbalanced when not in firing position.

HK- feels almost as good in hand as the SIG and better than the Glock. Brick like, but not as bad as the glock. Gun and mags are very expensive. This gun points the best for me and follow-up shots were the fastest. I also like that it has a manual safety.

I was looking for opinions and things that I may have missed because I rented them and only put one or two hundred rounds down range from each.

possum
February 19, 2009, 12:11 PM
the glock. why? parts avaliability, acessories, i know they work becasue i own one, and have trained/ shot with many more. additionaly it is one of the best values for a serious defense gun on the market especially if you are mil/ leo etc. they are reliable, accurate and they can run for 1000rds in 13 minutes, have the guide rod melt and come out the end and then keep on running.

Hanafuda
February 19, 2009, 12:16 PM
Pulse wrote:
SIG P229 is a plastic pistol?

Doh! umm, no obviously not. I goofed there. But I still think CZ75b, Hi-Power, and 9mm 1911 make better range guns.

D-Man
February 19, 2009, 02:53 PM
From reading your last comments, it seems as if you shoot the USPc the best, so I would suggest going with it. Since you like the safety, it's good to know that it works similar to the 1911 you plan to get (minus the decocking feature).

SweetKnuckles
February 19, 2009, 03:17 PM
I would choose a Glock 23 40 cal and then use the savings from buying one of the other guns to get a lone wolf 9mm drop in barrel.

Remember, with just a barrel change the Glock 40 cal guns can shoot 40 cal or 357 or 9mm (sometimes people will use 9mm mags for the 9mm conversion barrel, but my 40 cal mags hold the 9mms fine and it feeds flawlessly.)

hessy
February 19, 2009, 04:36 PM
HK P2000 then HKP30 then G19. No need for Sig.

stevereno1
February 19, 2009, 06:47 PM
Glock by far! accurate reliable, excellent pistols. If I hear another person repeat what they read on here, ("Glocks have a bad grip angle") I'm gonna puke. Sig is a overpriced pistol with many of its' parts made from stamped sheet metal.

newmenu
February 19, 2009, 06:58 PM
Sig or USPc. I voted sig just because I like it the best for CC. I own a G19 a P239 and a HK45 and love the HKs best for the range, Glocks for open carry or home defense, and Sigs for conceal or Defenslive carry.

Lonestar.45
February 20, 2009, 12:16 PM
Glock 19, hands down.

I own two and would never part with them. Recently picked up an Advantage Arms .22lr conversion slide. That was one of the best gun buying decisions I ever made. I shoot hundreds and hundreds of rounds at a time now instead of a couple boxes. I'd highly recommend doing that also.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 20, 2009, 12:38 PM
Sig, hands down, of those choices. HK a fairly close 2nd. The other choice is a long long way away 3rd.

mr.trooper
February 20, 2009, 12:50 PM
Glock.

jerryrigger
February 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
Unless you're really worried about price, get the Sig. Of the bunch, the Sig has the best trigger (and it can be made worlds better by Bruce Gray), it is, IMO, the most ergonomic, and I believe it to be safer than the Glock by way of a much heavier trigger pull. I don't want to get into a discussion of Glock safety-the pistol is plenty safe, and I carried one for about a year, but I personally feel safer with a Sig. Dry firing a Sig is also nicer than a Glock due to the fact that you don't have to manually reset the trigger after every pull, but that is a very miniscule aspect of the weapon as a whole.

I have shot HKs, and they're okay, but not nearly what they are cracked up to be, but again, this is my opinion, many people swear by them. I found their trigger to be long, their reset to be weird and long, and I found myself executing some unintentional double taps, although if I shot it more I believe this would not have been an issue to fix. HK customer service is supposedly a bear to deal with, and I prefer not to deal with HK on principle because of their inability or unwillingness to produce products (readily, at least) for the US civilian market (read HK 416).

I own a 229in .40, and to be honest, I have not shot a pistol that I like more, including the 1911 that I sold to buy the 229. The Sig is accurate, soft shooting, and has excellent ergos IMO. I also like that fact that my .40 Sig can be converted to shoot 9mm on the cheap (although a 9mm Sig can not be converted to shoot .40 or .357 Sig), not to mention that .22 conversion kits are readily available now.

I believe the best buy of the 3 to be the Sig, which is why I own one. The Glock works-there is no question about it, and the HK is a nice gun as well, but of the three, if you want the best gun, go with the Sig. Like I said, any will serve the purpose and get the job done, but the Sig is simply head and shoulders above the Glock, and the HK, while a good gun, is just too much in the wrong places IMO.

As some other folks said, the M&P might be the best combination of everything you are looking for, if you do not want to spend the money on a Sig. It is reliable, accurate, durable, and cheaper than the HK and Sig. Choose this if you're on a budget and can not find a used Sig.

heavyshooter
February 20, 2009, 06:22 PM
I voted Sig, but they are all top quality guns. Flip a coin and then buy one.

4Freedom
February 20, 2009, 06:45 PM
Sig P229 all the way!! Why? Because I just bought one and it is my first pistol. :neener: Actually, from reviewing the specs , the Sig has better construction, I rather have my hand cannons constructed from aluminum and steel than plastic.

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