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ar15chase
February 18, 2009, 08:28 PM
Does anyone have any info on the Kel-Tec P11?

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kingpin008
February 18, 2009, 08:32 PM
Yep. It's a gun. Small, polymer, shoots bullets.

You're gonna have to be more specific. Otherwise, you're going to get a lot of really general answers.

Also, try doing a search. I'm quite sure there have been more than a few threads on the various Kel-Tec offerings.

Yo Mama
February 18, 2009, 08:33 PM
1. Do a search first. This is a well discussed topic.

2. www.ktog.org

chupacabrah
February 18, 2009, 09:07 PM
what they said. love the p11

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=427458

orionengnr
February 18, 2009, 10:14 PM
Had one, could not get through a mag without an FTF. Had similar problems with three other KTs.

See a pattern? I did, eventually. :rolleyes:

Their Customer Service is great, they will send you free parts 'til the cows come home. However, I never got any of the four KTs working to an acceptable degree of reliability, so I sold each with full disclosure at a subtantial loss and moved on.

Edited to add: I see you have a thread on Taurus as well. Now I am seeing another pattern....

gpr
February 18, 2009, 10:24 PM
what do you need to know...gpr

Phydeaux642
February 18, 2009, 10:53 PM
The most painful gun to fire that I own. The recoil isn't bad but the the top of the grip digs into my thumb joint and after about 25 rounds I would rather switch to somebody kicking me in the twig and berries. It's reliable enough after you find out what it likes to digest.

presspuller
February 18, 2009, 11:43 PM
Its probably the cheapest 9mm out there and for the money its a good buy.
I have never had a problem with either of mine, I know some have.
Its what I carry.

skeptiq
February 19, 2009, 09:29 AM
If you need to fire 25 rounds from your Kel Tec wwhen SHTF, you might want to hit the range a little more often... j/k!

hadmanysons
February 19, 2009, 11:14 AM
Had one, could not get through a mag without an FTF.

Ditto. Never got better, only got worse. And, it was really small in my hand and i've got small hands.

Guitargod1985
February 19, 2009, 12:10 PM
I bought a Kel Tec P11 in 2006 and it was nothing but trouble. I paid $320 or something like that and ended up having to sell it a couple weeks later for $50.

Broken ejector after first box of WWB. Even before the ejector broke I had extraction problems which continued after I got the ejector swapped. I tried to just deal with it, but after a couple more boxes of ammo, the trigger mechanism would not reset after each shot. The magazine sounded like a damn rattlesnake. I will never buy a Kel Tec again. Friends don't let friends buy Kel Tec.

FWIW, I know most people have no problems with them and swear by their reliability. My experience was not nearly as pleasant.

Phydeaux642
February 19, 2009, 12:13 PM
If you need to fire 25 rounds from your Kel Tec wwhen SHTF, you might want to hit the range a little more often... j/k!

I wouldn't need any where close to 25 ,but unlike the mall ninjas I like to go to the range and practice with my carry gun. This gun is no fun to practice with for me.

jocko
February 19, 2009, 02:06 PM
what can u expect for $250???

MCgunner
February 19, 2009, 02:37 PM
A better gun than a Kahr at twice the price.

Guitargod1985
February 19, 2009, 02:44 PM
A better gun than a Kahr at twice the price.


Wow, Kahr must make some pretty lousy guns.

MCgunner
February 19, 2009, 02:57 PM
No, 12 years and 12K rounds since I bought it, though, myP11 is still my favorite carry.

Kahr has a lot of bashers, too, and Jocko is a Kahr koolaid drinker, so I tossed that in. He seems to have the same KT burr under his saddle that you do and loves to bash my firearms choices, so why not bash his? Hell, the internet will back me up on it. :rolleyes: Hey, the net is never wrong, ya know. If it ain't a Smith or a 1911, it's a POS to the average net expert. :rolleyes:

ETXhiker
February 19, 2009, 03:01 PM
Wow, Kahr must make some pretty lousy guns.

Wow, my K-9 has been perfect. My Kahr, that is, not my dog. My dog has frequent functioning problems.

skeptiq
February 19, 2009, 03:33 PM
I wouldn't need any where close to 25 ,but unlike the mall ninjas I like to go to the range and practice with my carry gun. This gun is no fun to practice with for me.

I know... it just gave me a little chuckle the way I first read it. I did know what you meant...

Anyone know how the p11 compares to the pf9 while we're on the Kel Tec discussions???

JShirley
February 19, 2009, 03:41 PM
I owned a P-11 for several years. I did a mild "fluff and buff", polishing the feed ramp, and lightly polishing the internals. The trigger pull improved noticeably afterward.

The P-11 was surprisingly accurate if you held it steadily enough. I hit a 20oz bottle at 30 meters with one shot. The trigger pull is indeed long, but if you practice, and learn to shoot it well, you'll be able to shoot a Glock or 1911 almost like they're full auto!

I'm not a large person, so the P-11 didn't work well in pocket carry, but it hid easily under an untucked shirt in IWB carry. I heard others call the recoil vicious, but I didn't find it that bad, and unlike my S&W 642, each shot didn't sting my trigger finger! I never put an enormous amount of rounds through my P-11, but I don't remember ever having any malfunctions.

I sold my P-11, along with about half of my other firearms, when I enlisted in the Army after 9-11.

John

Phydeaux642
February 19, 2009, 04:55 PM
Anyone know how the p11 compares to the pf9 while we're on the Kel Tec discussions???

A friend of mine bought one and has the same problem with the pain as I do with the P11. He said it functioned 100%, though.

The P-11 was surprisingly accurate if you held it steadily enough.

I had the same experience. Even with the anticipated pain I was hitting where I was aiming.

Longbow
February 20, 2009, 01:39 AM
' had mine since '97, nothing but good report here.

Defense Minister
February 20, 2009, 08:10 PM
I had a P11 for many years and it never failed to function. I just couldn't get over the long and heavy trigger pull, so I sold it. I'm currently looking for a PF-9 to replace it with.

meef
February 20, 2009, 08:23 PM
I happen to be wearing mine right now. And it's by far the least expensive (cheapest, if you prefer) of all the carry guns I own. I never leave home without it.

It's a very early model so I changed out the trigger works for the new, lighter version and did a small amount of slicking it up overall.

It just keeps on working like a charm. I guess you get a lemon or you get good one.

I consider it one of the best bargains I ever got in a firearm. I like it almost as much as my HK P7, and it's easier to carry.

:)

orionengnr
February 20, 2009, 10:07 PM
A better gun than a Kahr at twice the price.
Not hardly. After losing a lot of money on four different KTs, I've shot, carried, and trusted my PM9 for the last three years. :)

Buying four lousy Kel-Tecs: ~$1000.
Spending lots of time Fluffing, Buffing, ordering parts and changing them...and then burning lots ammo trying to make them reliable: $God only knows.
Selling said lousy Kel-Tecs at a substantial loss: $Don't even want to think about it.
Spending $500 on a Kahr and living happily ever after: Priceless. :)

MICHAEL T
February 20, 2009, 10:16 PM
Had one, could not get through a mag without an FTF. Had similar problems with three other KTs.

See a pattern? I did, eventually.


A man has to know his limitations as Dirty Harry once said. My 3 Kel Tec have been perfect and every one I know that has a Kel Tec has been trouble free

orionengnr
February 20, 2009, 10:21 PM
So there you have it.
Maybe you get lucky, punk. :)
Maybe you don't.

Do a search, and you will find a plethora of posts, and the end result will be about the same. A lot of people have good luck with K-Ts, and a lot have had bad luck. I had incredibly bad luck and went 0 for 4.

I know when to pull my cards off the table. :)

betteryouthanme
February 20, 2009, 10:28 PM
you have to give it to kel-tec, they design thier pistols so if one of them goes 'ka-boom', the pistol falls apart in your hand, and minimal damage is done to the shooter, or so i've read. plus theyre an american company with a lifetime waranty on thier products, all good things. if you buy one and it has problems, just send it back to them and propably end up with a free mag or two.

gb6491
February 21, 2009, 01:16 AM
Anyone know how the p11 compares to the pf9 while we're on the Kel Tec discussions???
I've had a P11 for some time. I like it's size and weight very much. It has been very reliable The only two failures to fire I've had with it were in the same box of Wolf ammo. One fired on a second pull. The other I ejected and inspected; the hit look good and it fired when loaded again. The trigger pull is long and quite heavy, but good results can be had with practice.

I just bought a PF9 today. I've really been itching to see how it's trigger compared to the P11's. I paid for it and two boxes of 9mm (125 & 115 gr. FMJ) and went straight to the store's indoor range. I checked the PF9 for lube and proceeded to shoot up the ammo. The sights needed a little tweak (KT provides a hex wrench in the case) other than that all 100 rounds went down range with nary a hitch:). While the trigger is lighter, it is still long and heavy (at least compared to the G27 I carry daily) and I find it shoots similar to the P11 in slow fire (though not as tiring over an extended period;)). However, it is much easier (IMO) to shoot rapidly than the P11:D Size wise, it is noticeably slimmer than the P11 and a little lighter.

I have no problem trusting the P11 for defensive carry and the PF9 is off to a good start as well. That said neither will replace the G27 for daily carry. The Glock , while being larger and heavier, has superior sights and trigger. I prefer the round it is chambered in and shoot it well enough. Where the P11 (and PF9 will) shine for me is when doing heavy chores/activities where the pistol might be subject to abuse/damage. I wouldn't hesitate to carry the Glock in those conditions if circumstance dictated it, but most often (if ever) it does not and it's nice to have a viable alternative for the mundane tasks around the homestead or in the field.
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Regards,
Greg

nelson133
February 21, 2009, 06:13 AM
I have had a P11 for 5 years and since I shoot my guns alot, it has had many rounds through it. I wore out a P3-AT by shooting it so much, of course the factory replaced it for free.
As many others have stated, the trigger takes some getting used to. It requires more of a sweep than a press. Mine is a winter back up and a summer glove compartment gun. In 9mm it has always functioned and I can stay in the black at 10 yards so I trust it fully.
Now when I bought a .40 kit for it, things got fun. The recoil was very painful, so much so that I began loading below starting loads to practice with. The ejector and slide stop both broke over time with standard loads. As an aside, the gun still functioned with these part broken. The kit is back on the shelf and the repaired P11 has resumed full duty. The parts were sent sent out free of course.

JShirley
February 21, 2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah, please no-one assume what I said about the P-11 is true of the P-40 or "upper" conversion kit! Even Kel-Tec gave up on trying to make .40 and .357 Sig work reliably in a little P-11-sized platform.

MCgunner
February 22, 2009, 10:03 AM
If I thought the P11 was "painful" to shoot, I wouldn't have put all the rounds through it I have over the years. To me, with or without the finger extension, it is quite fun to shoot. Pain? You want pain? Buy a 12 ounce scandium .357 magnum and load it with 180 Buffalo Bore. The 9x19, even in +P, is fun! I'm quite use to heavy magnum revolvers, so maybe I'm just used to it. I've fired .45-70 in a TC Contender. THAT'S pain!

Yeah, the KT is quite accurate and fast after you get used to it. We have these 6" falling plates, resettable, at the range. I like mowing them down with the KT at 25 yards, quite fun. It's about as accurate as any snub .38 I've owned, puts 'em into 3.5" at 25 yards off a rest. That's service gun accuracy in your pocket with near service gun firepower in a service caliber. Knock it all ya want, I carry mine all the time and feel well armed with it. I know one thing, I'm well PRACTICED with it.

First 6 years I owned it, I practiced once a week and usually put a box or two through it. I was shooting IDPA at the time, using a Ruger P95 and later a P85, and bought a Dillon in 9x19 to keep up with my practice. I'd go practice with the Ruger and finish off with the carry. That danged KT is near as accurate as the full sized Ruger and I actually used it in a couple of IDPA shoots just to see how well I'd do. The short sight radius does slow you down in sight acquisition, but the trigger didn't, really, and accuracy opened a few eyes at the range. I shot slightly slower times, but still in the fast sharpshooter range. I had just made expert level at the time. The gun is no slower than a snub .38 which I've been carrying this week and it has a lot more firepower and fits a pocket better, slightly smaller and lighter than my Ultralite.

I don't shoot the gun as much anymore, make it out to the range once a month usually. When I go, I usually shoot .22 and the KT sometimes gets skipped. But, for a while there, I hardly let the barrel cool off on the thing and never a complaint. The gun has not failed me with 115 grain JHPs or my 105 grain cast SWC handloads. Yeah, it's my favorite carry and I really don't GAF what anyone else thinks. I know it works for me.

shepherddogs
February 22, 2009, 08:59 PM
I've had 3 bad Keltecs and one good one. I think the latest models have most of the bugs worked out.

JShirley
February 22, 2009, 10:02 PM
MC,

I really regret selling mine. My thinking at the time was to sell off the guns I could replace. Didn't really think about how their value would change in the meantime...:scrutiny:

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