Glock KCI Mags: A Review


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Prince Yamato
February 19, 2009, 03:58 AM
I know you've all probably seen them advertised online by now. They've been reviewed on other sites. I bought one (G17) last week and tested it out for myself.

Fit and finish wise, they really aren't as good as a new Glock factory mag. They have rougher texture to them over-all and have (this is a technical term) hangy little bits of plastic on them here and there. Note though, that a used Glock mag will also be slightly deformed (namely around the mag catch area) and tends to show similar "hangy bits of plastic". The one thing I like about these mags is that they are a deeper black than Glock factory mags- incidental to function, I know- but something I like. Over-all though, they look very similar to a factory mag and if one were to stamp them with a Glock logo, it would be difficult to tell that the KCI mag didn't come from the Glock factory.

Function: When shooting, the KCI mags functioned fine. I didn't have any misfeeds. I shot decent ammo (WWB) and then I shot cheap ammo ($8/box monarch). Both shot fine.

I read on another board that you cannot use the Glock mag loader with these mags. I found that when I loaded the mag for the first time, this was true. In fact, the follower got stuck at the bottom of the mag. I was quite disheartened at this occurrence. I smacked the mag on the table and up bounced the follower. I then finished loading the mag by hand. As I am rereading AR15.com I found a post that accurately describes the problem that I encountered:

There is something strange about the spring and follower in that the spring gets mushy and the follower seems to tilt or at least lets the top round point upward when pushing down with the Glock loader.

At the range, I reloaded the mag by hand; no problems loading were found. The third time I reloaded the mag, I said, "Oh the hell with it!" and used the mag loader and surprisingly, it worked on the entire mag. I don't understand the dilemma. My hypothesis is that the factory Glock mags have less spring tension. When I push the follower with my finger, the KCI mags seem to have a much stiffer spring. I know that the spring is reported to be thinner than the Glock spring but it feels stiffer. Maybe it is more toughly or rigidly formed? At any rate, the mag had no problems feeding or firing.

I purchased this mag for $16 online, which I thought was too high-priced to justify buying a third-party mag when an OEM mag is not much more, but I then found the KCI mags for $11 at CopesDistributing. So, I bought 10 of them and figured that at worst, they would be confined to range use. I already have a healthy supply of Glock OEM mags anyway.

These mags may not be mirror images of the Glock mags, but they seem to be functional near-equals. I have not had a chance to put enough rounds through one (let alone the other ten) to determine whether or not these are worthy as CCW mags. My hope is that they will be on par with the factory mags in terms of reliability and durability if only to drive the prices down on Glock OEM mags. My theory is that if there ever was an AWB and it was similar to the old one, the negative reviews of these mags would disappear and people would sing their praises as being "just as good as factory mags for half the price."

There's already a flury of pics of these posted on the internet so I'm not going to post any. Ammoman.com has pics of the mags. I'd love to hear others' opinions of the KCI mags.

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bobotech
February 19, 2009, 03:45 PM
I bought a 10 pack of them from militarygunsupply.com 2 or 3 weeks ago. They seem fine to me. I only paid 110 dollars for them including shipping (I think that was the price, I know it was 100 dollars for the 10 pack).

bobotech
February 19, 2009, 03:48 PM
This is where I got mine:\
http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=647

Prince Yamato
February 20, 2009, 01:04 AM
I would have bought from them, but I live in Texas, so I'd have to pay sales tax.

hboy35
February 20, 2009, 05:53 PM
I live in Tx so I ordered a two pack of these from J&G sales out of Arizona this week. They havent shipped yet, but I am looking forward to getting them. I paid $29.95 plus shipping. Shipping wasnt bad though. I ordered 1K rounds of Silver Bear 9mm for $190, plus the mags and total shipping was like $22. Cant beat that. And yeah, plus no tax.

georgiacatweasle
October 29, 2009, 02:15 PM
apart from the spring being a bit stiffer, they work fine and my mag loader does work on them. i have four of them.

GLOOB
May 15, 2010, 06:00 PM
Only good reviews?

Maybe it's the Brown Bear lacquer ammo I just started using. I shot about 8 magfuls through 4 brand new KCI G19 mags the other day. They jammed at least twice on every mag. That's not all. Halfway through, they typically seized up, where the follower just decided to stop moving. I had a heck of a time banging them around, loose rounds flying out the top, trying to get the follower to unjam. Also, these mags failed to lock the slide back after the last shot 100% of the time, even though they worked when hand cycling.

OTOH, I shot over a hundred fifty of these same bullets through stock mags, and there were no failures of any sort. And the slide locked back. So the ammo was cycling the action ok.

Wolf ammo seized up one of my factory mags, once. But this was a rarity, rather than the rule.

I loaded these mags the night before shooting them.

When I opened a mag, I was further surprised when the unloaded spring extended a mere 1/2" out the bottom of the magazine, once the floor plate was removed.

Any advice? On examination, all surfaces looked smooth. Any chance they need to be broken in? Does my desription of the spring sound like they are bad? I've read where some people bend them to sort the follower lock issue? Should I buy GLOCK springs? I don't want to send good money after bad!

smince
May 15, 2010, 06:10 PM
I think the earlier one's were better than the later mags (how often does that happen?). I have several KCI/Kahn 19 mags that work very well.

But I stripped the guts from two of them, weighted them to feel the same as loaded, and painted the bases yellow. I use them as inert training mags with my Bladetech barrel :cool:

dogtown tom
May 15, 2010, 08:24 PM
I bought a dozen 15rnd and two 33rnd KCI mags for my G19.
I've only used four of the 15's and have not had a single issue in about five hundred rounds. The 33's have such a stiff spring that I've been unable to load past 25 rounds. Function of the 33's has also been perfect.

I got my KCI G19 mags from CDNN for about $8 each ($11 for the 33's). CDNN website said they were not "drop free" mags----but they do indeed drop free as easily as do my genuine Glock mags.

Full Metal Jacket
May 15, 2010, 09:00 PM
the korean kci mags have sub par reliability. if you buy them, i would subjugate them solely for the range, leaving the factory mags for defense.


i think CDNN still has glock factory mags for $15 too. spend a couple extra bucks.

GLOOB
May 15, 2010, 09:29 PM
I bought 6 of them from CTD. The good news is they were <5.00 each, and came with free magholders. Of course I would have rather paid more and gotten good mags.

I bought these to use with a 9mm conversion barrel which will see only range duty. But based on my first outing they will be inadequate, even for that!


i think CDNN still has glock factory mags for $15 too. spend a couple extra bucks. Oye! Now you're just rubbing salt into the wound. I just bought 2x $15.00 GLOCK original L.E. G22 mags from CDNN, and they also jam. Apparently, these L.E. mags are old stock, and GLOCK has since found good reason to upgrade the G22 mags with a stronger spring.

sho'nuff
May 15, 2010, 09:36 PM
I got mine of cheaperthandirt.com. 14 bucks for 2 with a cheap mag holder. So far they function fine

Full Metal Jacket
May 15, 2010, 09:40 PM
Oye! Now you're just rubbing salt into the wound. I just bought 2x $15.00 GLOCK original L.E. G22 mags from CDNN, and they also jam. Apparently, these L.E. mags are old stock, and GLOCK has since found good reason to upgrade the G22 mags with a stronger spring.

they're "2nd gen". change the follower to the new design, and you'll be fine. ;)

dogtown tom
May 15, 2010, 09:42 PM
Full Metal Jacket the korean kci mags have sub par reliability. if you buy them, i would subjugate them solely for the range, leaving the factory mags for defense.


i think CDNN still has glock factory mags for $15 too. spend a couple extra bucks.

"subjugate"???:scrutiny:

CDNN has not had NEW Glock factory mags @ $15 in a looooong time if ever. Current dealer price is higher than that. For range mags it's tough to beat an $8 KCI.

GLOOB
May 15, 2010, 09:44 PM
These can be fixed? Follower only? Or follower AND spring? I'm kinda new at this, so links are also highly appreciated! Maybe I'll try changing springs (and/or followers?) with my KCI mags, too.

Full Metal Jacket
May 15, 2010, 11:03 PM
"subjugate"???

CDNN has not had NEW Glock factory mags @ $15 in a looooong time if ever. Current dealer price is higher than that. For range mags it's tough to beat an $8 KCI.


Clueless.....

AK103K
May 15, 2010, 11:04 PM
The last factory Glock mags I bought from CDNN were $20ea. The last KCI's, $8.

I have about ten of the KCI 17 rounders and half a dozen of the 33 rounders, and havent had a problem with any of them. Initially, a couple of the 33 rounders were balky to fully load, but that straightened out pretty quick and hasnt been an issue since. While I do mostly use them for range mags, at this point, I wouldnt hesitate to use them in any other capacity.

Full Metal Jacket
May 15, 2010, 11:11 PM
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These can be fixed? Follower only? Or follower AND spring? I'm kinda new at this, so links are also highly appreciated! Maybe I'll try changing springs (and/or followers?) with my KCI mags, too.
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yep. Buy the new recoil springs and followers for your CDNN purchased mags that dogtown denies the existance of lol.

The new recoil springs have more coils and the follower is shaped for better reliability. Glockparts.com has them cheap. They'll be 100% after this :)

martialartsblackbelt
May 15, 2010, 11:28 PM
i almost bought these from Cheeper then dirt but they stopped selling the .40 cal ones

so i went to summitgunbroker.com and bought Glock OEM used law enforcement ones for 12 $ a piece.
they show some wear but are the real thing

dogtown tom
May 15, 2010, 11:59 PM
Full Metal Jacket Quote:..Clueless.....
Maybe. But unlike you I know what the word "subjugate" means and I know how to use it in a sentence......you do not.;)

Full Metal Jacket Quote:..Buy the new recoil springs and followers for your CDNN purchased mags that dogtown denies the existance of lol.
As the OP (and my first post) is in regards to an evaluation of 9mm mags, the price of G22 .40 mags doesn't matter. Your recommendation to buy $15 factory mags @ CDNN is moot, as CDNN DOES NOT HAVE ANY.:rolleyes:

GLOOB
May 16, 2010, 12:11 AM
FMJ:

Glockparts lists a .40 cal follower #8 and a .40 cal follower #5.

#8: replacement for mags with followers number 6 or 7. NOT for mags that originally have follower #5.

#5: For all .40 cal G-22 & G-35 Mags w/flat inside guide ribs only. Marked .40 & 5.

Ok, mine have follower marked ".40" and "5."

So does this mean I already have the latest follower compatible for this mag and just need an 11 coil spring? Or does it mean I should disregard the directions and buy the #8 and an 11 coil spring? Or does it mean I'm effed and can't use the newer follower or spring?

I guess I could just call up their customer service on Monday.

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 12:18 AM
Quote:
Full Metal Jacket Quote:..Clueless.....
Maybe. But unlike you I know what the word "subjugate" means and I know how to use it in a sentence......you do not.

Quote:
Full Metal Jacket Quote:..Buy the new recoil springs and followers for your CDNN purchased mags that dogtown denies the existance of lol.
As the OP (and my first post) is in regards to an evaluation of 9mm mags, the price of G22 .40 mags doesn't matter. Your recommendation to buy $15 factory mags @ CDNN is moot, as CDNN DOES NOT HAVE ANY.

absolutely clueless....:eek:

i suggest you re-read the thread, and consult a dictionary.

dogtown tom
May 16, 2010, 12:28 AM
Full Metal Jacket:...consult a dictionary.
Okey doke:D So.....how will you govern the submissive KCI mags?:neener:
Merriam Webster Online
subjugate
One entry found for subjugate.
Main Entry: sub·ju·gate
Pronunciation: 's&b-ji-"gAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -gat·ed; -gat·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin subjugatus, past participle of subjugare, from sub- + jugum yoke -- more at YOKE
1 : to bring under control and governance as a subject : CONQUER
2 : to make submissive : SUBDUE

Do you have a link to those CDNN $15 factory new 9mm mags? I can wait.

pikid89
May 16, 2010, 12:33 AM
d have (this is a technical term) hangy little bits of plastic on them here and there

I think thats called flashing...left over from when it popped out of the mold

railroader
May 16, 2010, 12:35 AM
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/Used_Mags.html Glock 22 and 21 mags cheap. Mark

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 12:39 AM
FMJ:

Glockparts lists a .40 cal follower #8 and a .40 cal follower #5.

#8: replacement for mags with followers number 6 or 7. NOT for mags that originally have follower #5.

#5: For all .40 cal G-22 & G-35 Mags w/flat inside guide ribs only. Marked .40 & 5.

Ok, mine have follower marked ".40" and "5."

So does this mean I already have the latest follower compatible for this mag and just need an 11 coil spring? Or does it mean I should disregard the directions and buy the #8 and an 11 coil spring? Or does it mean I'm effed and can't use the newer follower or spring?

I guess I could just call up their customer service on Monday.


you just need the 11 coil spring then. glockparts is correct :)

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 12:45 AM
Do you have a link to those CDNN $15 factory new 9mm mags? I can wait.


subjugate: to bring under control

said i wasn't sure if they were still on sale. last week my friends ordered around 100 of them.

glad to see you re-read the thread, although not properly. ;)

i'm sure you can find cdnn's website on your own to check (hopefully :eek:). next time read through things before coming off with the attitude.


here the thread with the sale:
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=89635

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 12:49 AM
i can wait......

dogtown tom
May 16, 2010, 01:04 AM
Full Metal Jacket Quote:...subjugate: to bring under control and governance.
You left out a little bit there...but you knew that.:rolleyes:

Full Metal Jacket i can wait......

I think I beat you to that remark....and I'm still waiting for a link to those $15 9mm mags @ CDNN.
I guess you don't have one.:scrutiny: So I'll give you one http://www.cdnninvestments.com/glock.htmlHuh? No $15 9mm mags? Who wudda thunk it?


Full Metal Jacket: ...next time read through things before coming off with the attitude.

Huh?
What gall. You call me clueless and you now think I'm the one with "attitude"? What a piece of work.

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 01:08 AM
^you don't know when to quit when you're behind.


Need a FFL in north Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Then EMAIL me!!!

i can imagine why this smacks of desperation. you must be a real pleasure to deal with.....:eek:

dogtown tom
May 16, 2010, 01:10 AM
Sure, change the subject, make personal attacks.

Who's desperate here?:neener:

GLOOB
May 16, 2010, 01:20 AM
Sorry guys to interject with a boring comment about KCI mags:

The reviews of KCI/Khan are so diametrically opposed that I have to wonder:

IS SOMEONE IN CHINA MAKING KNOCKOFFS OF THE KNOCKOFFS?

FTR: mine have KCI clearly stamped on the bottom, but many of the good reviews say their Korean magazine floorplates are completely blank.

FMJ: Thanks for the response. I'll try to order some on Monday. I'll also see if I can fix 1 of my fake mags. If that goes over well, I suppose I might fix some of my other fakes. I don't know how many to do, because fixing them will cost twice as much as their original cost! :)

dogtown tom
May 16, 2010, 01:26 AM
GLOOB:..mine have KCI clearly stamped on the bottom, but many of the good reviews say their Korean magazine floorplates are completely blank.

I've only unwrapped and used four of my G19's- all have KCI on the floorplate, only one has shown any of the "flashing" previously mentioned. All work perfectly.

Full Metal Jacket
May 16, 2010, 01:27 AM
FMJ: Thanks for the response. I'll try to order some on Monday. I'll also see if I can fix 1 of my fake mags. If that goes over well, I suppose I might fix some of my other fakes. I don't know how many to do, because fixing them will cost twice as much as their original cost

you're welcome, my friend :)

postalnut25
May 16, 2010, 02:55 AM
Thanks railroader, I just ordered some

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