[max popenker]

hello

yesterday i went for our usualy shoot at the local indoor range, testing someone's else FABARM shotgun. After we're through our shoot, our host and a local gunsmith said that he got something "truly outstanding" in his workshop. He truly had.

Here's the story. Some wise man bought a rifle. Then he thought that he needs a scope, and bought an (relatively) inexpensive Simmons. Then, he found that there must be some way to couple scope and rifle, and bought an appropriate mount with rings. But, the problem was that the scope has a 30mm tube, while rings were of 1 inch variety.

What shall you do in such event? Either return scope to the shop and buy another one, with 1" tube, or buy a new set of 30mm rings.

But that wizkid found another solution, and eventually went to the said gunsmith, asking why his scope works "improperly".

What he did? Just sit back on your chair, take a deep breath and click the image link below. Enjoy. :cool:

[0007]

I'd like to see the size of that screwdriver he use to tighten the screws...

[dakotasin]

what a mess.

[Jmurman]

it never ceases to amaze me at what some people will do to "try" to save a few dollars.

[gun-fucious]

i had a customer in my bicycle shop that was rebuilding a bike

he could not figure how to remove the chain

so he cut the frame

:rolleyes:

[standby]

That's great! This was obviously a person prone to improvisation.
There really are some amazing folks running around these days. I
once had a guy come in the shop, buy a scope and ask me to zero the
scope for him so it would be "dead on" when he mounted it on his rifle.:rolleyes:

[4v50 Gary]

Well shucks, down here we use JB Weld. Tape has been proven to allow slippage and everybody here knows that. JB Weld on the other hand is the gunsmith's answer to most problems including fixing radiators.

gun-fucious: gotta love that "innovation" about frame cutting. He wanted a collaspable bicycle, didn't he?

[Mike Irwin]

I can't see the photo, unfortunately, as I'm behind some stringent firewalls at work, but I can imagine. I've seen similar ones before.

Years ago, on Compuserve, a person who should have known a LOT better made the claim that the ONLY way to get a scope to hold tight in the rings was to ensure that the rings pinched the tube just enough to deform it.

At that moment I realized that for all his years of experience, the man was an idiot.

[gun-fucious]

in the picture one sees a plastic "armored" scope

the customer cut ring slots though the plastic to expose the 1 inch tube below

[Art Eatman]

Well, I've seen folks who could bust an anvil with a tackhammer...Others shouldn't get involved with anything more complex than a shovel.

:), Art

[4v50 Gary]

OK, I stand corrected. Closer examination shows that the "rubber" armor was cut away. It makes me think that the guy bought 1" rings for a 30 mm scope and had to carve away the rubber to bring it down to 1" diameter. Now that's a real cheating scope maker if they "armor" up their scope from 1" to 30 mm and sell it as a 30 mm tube.

Or am I being bl****?

[gun-fucious]

yep
going the other way requires the beer can shim

we used to stock imported high end "Campy" shim stock for the snotty bikers

[mtnbkr]

we used to stock imported high end "Campy" shim stock for the snotty bikers

LOL! I remember when campy tried to get into the mountain bike market. Their first effort didn't work well, was heavy, and very expensive. Even when they got it right, it was no better than mid level Shimano stuff and cost more than the high end Shimano stuff. Still, the Eurogeek bikers bought it up...

Chris

[Futo Inu]

What's Campy?

And shame on you, sir, for actually celebrating thread drift. :)

That is cheesy, to market the scope as 30mm when it's a 1-incher with some coating - lol. Still, I don't see why the scope wouldn't be working in the config he has there..... :scrutiny:

[mtnbkr]

What's Campy?

Campagnolo, I think is the proper name/spelling. Very high end Italian bicycle components (shifters, deraileurs, cranks, etc).

They held off on the mountain bike market until it was obviously not a fad (oh, about 10 years or so) and then entered with a component group so overengineered (and overweight), overpriced, and underperforming as to be laughable. After a few years, they got it right, but by then the damage was done. I don't think there's a single production mountain bike made in the last 3-4 years available with Campy components.

It didn't help that a lot of mountain bikers at the time WERE NOT roadies (ex or otherwise) and not enamored with the Campy name and "mystique".

Ok folks, back on topic!

Chris

[Keith]

The best thing to do with a Simmons scope would have been to drill holes through the scope and mount it directly to the rifle, without the rings. Then throw it away and buy a decent scope.

And ya know... there are some damned fine Russian optics out there for real cheap! I've got two sets of $100 Russian binocs that will put any $700 Zeiss to shame! I can't imagine why someone with access to inexpensive Russian optics would buy a Simmons scope!

Keith

[Al Thompson]

Where did you get the glass Kieth?

[Keith]

My brother is an optics freak and he got them for me. He mostly likes East German and Russian telescopes, binocs and things like that. He gets a lot of this stuff on Ebay and never pays more than $100 a set.

I wish I could tell you the name of the company, but it's in Cyrillic. Maybe Max can translate - four letters, a lower case "b" (with the top bent to the right), lower case "n", "u" and what looks like a "5"

I have two pair (8x30 and 12x50), and I have compared these to high end Steiners and Swarovski, and they are every bit as good - I kid you not! They are a little heavier because the tubes are steel instead of aluminum, but other than that they match up in every way.

Keith

[Mike Irwin]

Oh what a frigging dumba##!

Even worse was the choice of a mount! :rolleyes:


I've got a fixed power Roumanian scope and a set of Roumanian military binoculars that are also of EXTREMELY good quality.

Got them free from a guy I used to know from Compuserve who did business in Roumania, and was trying to get a market going for Roumanian optics here in the states.

Anyone remember Bob Denton? Anyone know what happened to him?

He was truly a great guy!

[Frohickey]

I don't see anything wrong, aside from cutting away at the greenish plastic/rubber around the scope.

Am I missing something here? Is the scope really a 1 inch scope with plastic/rubber?
That would suck to mount. Its not like plastic/rubber is as rigid as the aluminum body.

[Sunray]

"...Either return scope to the shop and buy another one, with 1" tube, or buy a new set of 30mm rings..."
Rings are cheaper than scopes. Get the proper rings.