[BKP]

You've all heard about the bad chimpanzee shot by police. I would love to see the ballistics result of this. A 2oo pound biped, strong as any 10 of us. Well muscled with heavy bones,
He walked, limped, crawled back to his safe area within the house and died.
How many round were in him and where? What caliber? What gun?
We should be able to gleam some interesting info out of this.
First hand account from shooters coupled any autopsy result...

[colemanw]

damn good question

[NELSONs02]

Probably was shot multiple times.... I wrestle with chimps frequently and they are quite tough.

[colemanw]

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/monkey_gun.jpg

[shootistpd27]

Im sure that the chimp was unarmed so I wonder if there is going to be a lawsuit filed by the family of the deceased. If the chimp was unarmed then deadly force was not justified. Peta will have a field day with this one.

[GregGry]

If the chimp was unarmed then deadly force was not justified. Of course deadly force was justified since that crazy animal couldn't be stopped and was without a doubt causing great bodily harm.


My guess is the chimp was shot with a .45acp.

[NELSONs02]

A true battle chimp. Unmanning the battle field one primate at a time.....

[colemanw]

this is from another attack:
"St. James fell to the ground, no longer able to defend himself, and for at least five minutes, the mauling continued as he lay helpless. One of the chimps gnawed on his buttocks and bit off his genitals. They ravaged his left foot, leaving it shredded. Blood poured from his body, and LaDonna was screaming. It looked as if they were eating him alive. Finally, LaDonna's screams drew the owners' son-in-law, Mark Carruthers, who came running armed with a .45-caliber revolver. After struggling to find a clean shot, he opened fire on the younger primate. The shot had no apparent effect, and Carruthers raced back to his house, a few dozen yards away, to reload with more-powerful ammunition. When Carruthers returned, he focused on the older male, the prime aggressor. Kneeling down, he shot him once in the head from close range. As the animal fell to the ground, the younger chimp began dragging St. James's mutilated body down a hill leading away from Moe's cage. Dirt filled St. James's lungs and seeped into his bloody openings."

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=176656&page=2

[shootistpd27]

Take the same situation except replace the monkey with a 6-2 geeked up crack head. Would the use of force continueum have been the same?

[colemanw]

most other sources report that the .45 was successful:

(CNN) -- A woman has been hospitalized with serious injuries to her face, neck and hands after a pet chimpanzee attacked her at a friend's home in Stamford, Connecticut.

Charla Nash, 55, had just arrived at her friend Sandra Herold's house when the chimp, named Travis, jumped on her and began biting and mauling her, according to Stamford Police Capt. Rich Conklin, who said the attack was unprovoked.

Herold had called Nash over to her house to help get Travis back inside after he used a key to free himself from the house.

After the attack, Herold was unable to pull the primate off her friend. She then called 911 before grabbing a butcher knife and stabbing the chimp, who police said was like a child to her.

Stamford police shot the chimp multiple times when he ripped off a side mirror and tried to enter a police cruiser, Conklin said. Travis returned to the house and died inside.

Conklin estimated Travis to be in his 20s, weighing close to 200 pounds.

The police captain also said this isn't the first interaction his officers have had with Travis -- the chimp escaped in 2003 and "wreaked havoc" on the streets of Stamford for a couple of hours.

In 2005, a different chimp escaped from California's Animal Haven Ranch and chewed off a man's nose and genitals.

During an interview after that attack, wildlife expert Jeff Corwin told CNN's Anderson Cooper that chimpanzees are "absolutely powerful."

"It's often said that an adult chimpanzee weighing in at 150 pounds is three to seven times stronger than a human being," Corwin said.

"The thing about chimpanzees is, we sort of look at them through our rose-colored cultural glasses of the cute little chimp in the 'Tarzan' movie. Those are very young chimps. Chimps grow up, they become very powerful. They are very complex in their behavior. They have a whole range of emotions, including violence and anger."

[Landric]

I firmly believe that a large part of the reason humans stop violent action after being injured by gunshots (especially from handguns) that to not interrupt the CNS is the psychological effect of being injured.

Therefore its not that surprising when an animal, who doesn't know he is supposed to fall down dead when stabbed or shot, isn't instantly stopped by injuries that do not interrupt the CNS.

Just my opinion of course.

[colemanw]

Stamford just switched to S&W M&Ps caliber unknown but expect 40S&W

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=822032&page=1

[AK103K]

I firmly believe that a large part of the reason humans stop violent action after being injured by gunshots (especially from handguns) that to not interrupt the CNS is the psychological effect of being injured.

Therefore its not that surprising when an animal, who doesn't know he is supposed to fall down dead when stabbed or shot, isn't instantly stopped by injuries that do not interrupt the CNS.
I agree. Many people seem to be conditioned to fall down when shot. To much TV and cinema I suppose.

I would think as with anything else, it will fall down when you shoot it enough, especially if you shoot it enough in the right places. How many rounds that is is unknown, regardless of your super duper caliber. Thats why these days, I prefer higher capacity hand guns, especially those in the hotter calibers.

[alistaire]

Peta seems to be ducking and covering since they claim animals are our friends.

[blkbrd666]

To much TV and cinema I suppose.

This chimp watched TV regularly...even channel surfed with the remote. :D

[AK103K]

Well, ya got me there! :D

[amd6547]

Saw on the news this morning that the chimp's owner gave it two anti-depressant pills to "mellow it out"...a vet interviewed said the the drug used does just the opposite in animals.

[BCCL]

I'm looking to see if that gets her in trouble.

At first she said she gave it Xanax, but later changed her story.

It won't surprise me if she does face some legal trouble over this.

[jeff-10]

I've heard before that large primates will attacks the hands, feets and gentials (if their opponent is male) of people when they attack. Basically they fight you like they fight other's of their own species. Not sure if it is true but it appears that is what this one did to the victim.

I would be willing to bet the chimp was shot with a 40S&W. Probably a Glock or S&W as that is what most LEOs in the US now seem to carry, whether federal, state or local. I also think a 40S&W would be more than enough for a half domesticated chimp at point blank range. Especially if the cop went to slide lock.

[Average Joe]

If it was a New York cop, then it would have been shot at least 40 times.

[bensdad]

Sounds like chimps are tough. A guy might need a gun with a banana clip.

[rfwobbly]

A guy might need a gun with a banana clip.

A guy might need a bunch of banana clips!

[sourdough44]

I'd believe a 40 S&W is a good bet.

[bozzman3]

He said Banana clip!!!!!!!!Hahahahahahahahah lol :D:)

[makarovnik]

That's so wrong

[LightningJoe]

If it was a New York cop, then it would have been shot at least 40 times.


Only if he had 800 rounds.

[AK103K]

A guy might need a gun with a banana clip.
I have just the gun... :)

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7d700b3127ccec27e76e6b8a300000010O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[HuntAndFish]

On the news they provided the audio (from the officer's radio?) and you could hear 3 gunshots.

[HippieMagic]

If she gave the chimp xanax it probably just flipped out because it needed a fix... Medicated chimps... This world would be a better place if we would stop trying to dope everything up to be "normal"...

[usmc1371]

its bad enough there is never a cop when you need one. Now a cop shows up and its the cop who aint got a 12 gauge in his car what are the odds.

[deacon8]

When I first heard this story, I was thinking, "Chimps get 200 pounds?!" I had no idea. I always thought they were those dorky looking things with Obama ears. 200 lbs is a pretty damn big monkey.

That's it...I need to "google" these things and update myself on the "overrated primates."

[Supertac45]

I would have dumped the mag into it to start with.

[pbearperry]

I wouldn't be suprised to hear that the chimp and his owner were lovers.The chimp was prob. mad because of a lovers quarrell.

[Sato Ord]

What I don't understand is why people seem to think they can domesticate higher primates. Man has been trying to domesticate his own species for thousands of years. If it worked we wouldn't have crazed crack heads running the streets, and overcrowded prisons.

What makes these people think they can domesticate a tool using primate that is more powerful, less intelligent, and foreign enough that we can't understand how they think, much less know what they are thinking.

I think chimps are great animals, and like elephants and dolphins, should be left alone in their natural habitat.

As far as how to stop one, I'd want the heaviest caliber I could get, and armor plated underwear. Male chimps are known for emasculating their victims if they get the chance. It's no accident when they bite their victim's testicles off!

[Guillermo]

statistics favor that chimp was popped with a .40.

Maybe even the PETA dorks will recognize that even with animal attacks, the cops are TOO FAR away to protect them.

[Prince Yamato]

I wouldn't be suprised to hear that the chimp and his owner were lovers.The chimp was prob. mad because of a lovers quarrell.

Actually, you're not far off. There's been a couple updates to the story concerning that... (and this is actually on-topic). Apparently, the chimp and his owner were a little closer than most people realized (even bathing together and sleeping together). The supposed reason the chimp attacked was because it felt it's "mate" was being threatened. So, the chimp acted in self-defense, because in chimp-world, that's what you do when a strange girl-chimp acts how this lady did. So, the chimp was going acting out his own version of the castle (banana-tree?) doctrine.

I also believe there was an article that said it was an M&P shooting .40SW.

[rondog]

This chimp shooting kinda adds a new dimension to all the threads you see on gun forums about "what gun/caliber to use on a Sasquatch?" I imagine a Bigfoot (if they exist) would be a little more robust than a 200lb. chimp. And a gorilla? Fugedaboutit!

[Prince Yamato]

Something that could possibly be gained from this is impetus to allow "zoo carry" in states where carrying in a zoo is forbidden. Demonstrating the utter ferociousness of an uncaged primate (or any animal) should be enough to make a legislator aware of the benefit to lawful carry of firearms in a zoo.

[Maelstrom]

If my grandfather ever wanted to get my attention, all he had to do is start a story with,

"Did I ever tell you about the time I was whooped by a chimp?"

Regardless, the whole theory of 9mm vs. .45 would definitely be put to the test here. They're strong and stupid, possibly the worst possible combination. All the crack-head stories we tell are nothing more than someone on a drug that makes them artificially stronger and stupider.

[Max]

I think it was shot with a (gun) myself:-)