Glock triggers vs double action


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Dr_2_B
February 20, 2009, 08:12 AM
I'm looking for a little intelligent discussion on the issue of the Glock triggers. I consider myself a Glock guy. I have 6 of them and I often carry one for CCW. I've often said if I knew I were going to need a handgun I'd reach for my Glock. But I do own more of the traditional double action handguns than I own Glocks.

Here's my issue though; I strongly believe a Glock must live in a trigger-covering holster to be safe. I don't feel so strongly the need for constant trigger-covering with my double action pieces. I mean even sitting on a bedside table, a Glock must be holstered (in my mind) but I don't feel that imperative with a double action pistol.

Most of us have heard the story of a numskull football player accidentally shooting himself because his Glock slid down the pants leg of his sweats. In reaching to catch the sliding Glock, he inadvertently pulled the trigger. I know this could happen with any gun, but I feel pretty sure it is less likely to happen with a more traditional double action.

Partly because of this, I've been looking into one of the H&K autos.

Anyone else have any feelings on this?

Really hoping for sincere discussion only here if possible. Thanks.

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Davionmaximus
February 20, 2009, 08:24 AM
Yes indeed.. Glocks need trigger covering holsters...

legion3
February 20, 2009, 08:44 AM
Yes and no,

If its in a holster on my side then yes.

If its in a fanny pack - yes, I put one of the Safe- t -blocks in the trigger guard, does not delay bringing the gun into action at all.

If its on the nightstand next to me NO it does not need a holster, although this gun too often gets a Safe -T- Block. But not always.

With regards to the safe- t -block you do not have to push it out then reach for the trigger, the act of reaching for the trigger will cause the block to fly out when the lower part of your finger (the meat near the hand) comes into contact with the block. The delay if any is nill.

the-ghost
February 20, 2009, 03:40 PM
unless the gun, glock 23 in this case, is on my hip it won't have one in the pipe. on my hip all my autos and da wheel guns have a holster that covers the trigger. my cowboy guns do not. i'm not a fanboy for any company, i like a lot of brands but i like the glock for it simple function. if theres one in the pipe then the only safe way to carry it is with the trigger covered. so in a sense the holster is the ony safety you got so buy a good one.

as far as the football guy, and the many police officers that shoot themselves as you discribed, never try to catch your pistol if you drop it. if you cant bare to see your pistol scratched then don't carry it. a lot of the pistols i see on this site that people say they carry look more like peices of art rather than carry guns anyway.

ArmedBear
February 20, 2009, 03:48 PM
XD

Glock-like trigger, plus 1911-like grip safety.

KBintheSLC
February 20, 2009, 03:57 PM
Glocks are most certainly at the mercy of a single safety point... the trigger. But that is what I like about them... they are "stupid proof" during combat. You just add ammo, pull the trigger, and repeat as needed.

The 5.5# trigger of a stock Glock is about half the weight of my Sig DA trigger pull. So for a DAO, the Glock trigger is relatively light compared to traditional DA triggers.

XD9WBT
February 20, 2009, 03:58 PM
XD

Glock-like trigger, plus 1911-like grip safety.

What he said, if glock said we are going with the safety grip from now own you would not hear a peep from me and I suspect half the glock community. I love my glocks but it just gets tedious wondering if the snake is gonna bite you this time no matter how many precautions you took.

Jed Carter
February 20, 2009, 03:59 PM
There are 8# triggers for Glocks, most are 5.5#, with the G34, G35 having a 4.5#. Plexico Burris could have used an 8# when he put his Glock in the waistband of his sweatpants! With an 8# trigger pull on a Glock, not only would the trigger be as stout as other DA's but the trigger block would have to be depressed also. I personally say keep the lighter trigger and holster carry.

stevereno1
February 20, 2009, 08:11 PM
I believe that ALL holsters for ALL pistols should cover the trigger. That being said, I am quite comfortable, and proficient with the Glock's triggers. I have no complaints. Also, a chambered Glock is actually half-cocked. The second stage of the trigger pull brings the striker to "fully cocked", and the break, or third stage releases the striker. A properly functioning Glock doesn't have enough momentum to strike a primer with enough force to ignite it from the "half cocked", chambed, finger off of the trigger condition. "gun safety rests between one's ears".

stevereno1
February 20, 2009, 08:34 PM
BTW, Plexico was carrying a Hi Point, not a Glock. The word "Glock" has become a generic term for any autopistol in the mainstream media.

DougW
February 20, 2009, 10:40 PM
My Glocks will be in a trigger covering holster or in condition 3 at all time. I have no problem with the trigger, as my concealed carry Glock (26 or 19) will be condition 1 only in a holster. The holster (paddle) and the gun are removed without unholstering the pistol. If the pistol comes out of the holster on purpose, it is being safed, or being fired.

jmr40
February 20, 2009, 10:52 PM
Not disageeing with you but Plexico Burris makes more money for each time he touches a ball than I probably earn in a year, and I can afford a better gun than a Hi Point.

I'm with you. A Glock must have the trigger covered if a round is chambered. I have no problems with a nightstand or glove box gun chambered and not in a holster if it is DA/SA.

azhunter122
February 21, 2009, 01:10 AM
I really like Glocks for several reasons but I also hate them for several reasons. I don't like their trigger pull and plus like you said they need to have a safe holster that covers the trigger.

azhunter122
February 21, 2009, 01:11 AM
Also they should have a safety like the XD and also should have metal magazines.

ExtremeSquared
February 21, 2009, 04:25 AM
BTW, Plexico was carrying a Hi Point, not a Glock.
What is your source? Not trying to bash glock, but this is the first i've heard this version.

denfoote
February 21, 2009, 04:59 AM
But keep yer booger hook off of the bang button and you'll be just fine.
No Glock ever went off by itself!!

chupacabrah
February 21, 2009, 07:57 AM
i love my glock (and loved my m&p9), but I'd feel much more comfortable with a grip safety like the XD.

23Glock
February 21, 2009, 09:42 AM
Have to agree with denfoote - No Glock ever went off by itself. Holstered on the nightstand? Why? Is it going to jump off and magically catch something on the way down that fully depresses the trigger? Or are you scared you might grab it in the middle of the night while you're groggy? I can respect the latter, but what I see being said here of Glocks reeks of fear instead of respect for the weapon.
The “Fifth Rule”, is that manual safeties CANNOT be relied upon – they can and do fail. Which is why respect and proper attention of the Four Rules is paramount to safety. Making a weapon harder to go off negligently (DA, heavy pulls, manual safeties, covered holsters), does not make the weapon safer. This lulls you into a false sense of security that will jump and bite (possibly kill) you as complacency sets in.
My opinion is, all weapons should be carried in a proper holster, leather or kydex. Period. I’m leery of holsters not molded to the weapon. They should also be stored properly when not in use, whatever that translates into for your particular household. For some, having it sit out on the nightstand is perfectly fine. If you’re afraid you’re going to grab it while you’re groggy, put it in the drawer, or in a GunVault, or by all means holster it. Know and respect the weapon, be cognizant or your situation, and live the Four Rules and the chances of the weapon (i.e. a Glock) going off “negligently” are beyond remote.

An example of the “Fifth Rule” biting someone:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393304

The Lone Haranguer
February 21, 2009, 11:15 AM
On your person, yes, they should be carried in a trigger-covering holster. Sitting on a table? I don't feel that this is an imperative.

GTSteve03
February 21, 2009, 01:29 PM
Just put a NY1 trigger spring in your GLOCK, gives it a pretty good DA-like trigger pull. I have one in my G17, along with the 3.5# connector, and it makes a pretty smooth, slightly heavier trigger than stock with less stacking and a stronger return.

CountGlockula
February 21, 2009, 01:33 PM
Have you installed a 3.5lb connector with a NY1 trigger spring?

This will modify the Glock trigger to be a bit heavier to pull, if need be you can install a NY2 trigger spring.

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