New Pistol- XD or 1911


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shaggy430
February 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
I'm torn between a Springfield XD or a 1911 style pistol. I only have $ for one. I've never shot an XD but have heard nothing but great things about them. On the other hand, I've shot 1911's and love them.

Which should I use? If you suggest the XD, would you suggest a 9, 40, or 45? If you suggest a 1911, which brand?

Thanks

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45 nut
February 21, 2009, 01:17 AM
metal or plastic springer makes a pretty good product. and they make a pretty good rifle also

Quoheleth
February 21, 2009, 01:20 AM
Springer for 1911s.
2nd choice: Rock Island.

Two excellent choices - XD or 1911. Can you shoot an XD?

Q

azhunter122
February 21, 2009, 01:53 AM
Get the 1911 and you will not be dissapointed! I sure as heck wasn't!

Quack
February 21, 2009, 07:45 AM
I was going to give the XD a 3rd try (had 2 others) but decided to go with another 1911.
so instead of the XDm i bought a STI Edge.

GLI45
February 21, 2009, 10:47 AM
Great choice Quack. I've got an STI Eagle and it's wickedly accurate, has an incredible trigger, and is smoother than a silk negligee on a Victoria Secret's model.

Quack
February 21, 2009, 11:00 AM
i have been wanting an Edge for a while. it's much better than my other 1911s including my TRP & EMP. I'm actually going to a gun show today to try & sell some other guns to fund a Nighthawk :)

i don't have anything against the XD, but i prefer my Glocks & 1911s over them.

possum
February 21, 2009, 11:06 AM
i own a sa xd with over 12000rds through it, i could be happier with it. i also own a mc operator 1911, i like them both, but i love the xd and that is my go anywhere/ do anything gun. xd for me.

ZombieKiller
February 21, 2009, 01:03 PM
1911

Thomas Garrett
February 21, 2009, 01:05 PM
How much $ is in the budget?

modifiedbrowning
February 21, 2009, 01:43 PM
Get the 1911 and check out S&W's versions.

Duke of Doubt
February 21, 2009, 01:46 PM
Definitely, 1911.

stalkingbear
February 21, 2009, 01:59 PM
I like my 1911s so that would be MY 1st choice. You're NOT going to go wrong with either but go with what you know and like-that means 1911.

CrazyWella
February 21, 2009, 02:12 PM
I had an xd and loved it. I'd almost kill for a 1911 though.

-v-
February 21, 2009, 06:34 PM
Two somewhat different beasties.

The 1911 will have a better trigger, more aftermarket options, and more class then an XD, but it will hold at most 8+1 rounds. It is also slightly more complex to break down and clean then an XD.

The XD will hold more ammo then the 1911, will be lighter then the 1911, the trigger will be "OK", its a breeze to break down and clean.

Size-wise an 1911 is thinner then an XD, making it easier to conceal.

Accuracy between the two, stock, should be comparable, unless of course we're talking about an $2000 accurized from the factory 1911 vs stock XD :p.

Personally, I would go for the XD because I do find the construction of the 1911 a little too strange for my liking (Barrel bushing AND a swing-link linkage to the barrel? What is this $#*%?!)

As for your caliber question, pick one; the 9mm and .45 both have over a hundred year's worth of history of putting people down quite effectively. The .40 is the new kid on the block, but seems to work fairly well too. With quality ammo, there's really no appreciable difference with any. With the 9mm in a standard XD you get 17+1 shots (advertised is 16+1, but I have had no issues with running 17 rounds in their 16 round mags), with the .45 you get 13+1. The .45 will have a larger grip then the 9mm/.40. Depending on your hand size, this may or may not be an issue. As a medical practitioner, I can tell you that the most deadly round out there is the .25acp, since we've seen more folks dead on the street from that then from a 9mm .40, or .45. Additionally, the terminal, actual flesh difference between the 9mm and the .45 is non-existent. Only way to identify what they've been shot with is to dig out the slugs and measure them.

Shoot both, pick which one you like.

jdc1244
February 21, 2009, 06:54 PM
I'm torn between a Springfield XD or a 1911 style pistol.

If thatís the case youíre not ready for a 1911.

Dan Crocker
February 21, 2009, 07:24 PM
I gave my 1911 to my dad when I got my XD 45 compact. Easy to clean, accurate, and ultra reliable. I'll always love 1911s, but it's nice to have more bullets. They both shoot well and are great guns, but I like the XD more. Someday I'll get another 1911.

colorado_handgunner
February 21, 2009, 11:41 PM
XD is a great gun, extremely reliable, and unlike 1911's, easy to disassemble and clean! Go XD.

WRGADog
February 21, 2009, 11:44 PM
XD 45 or XDm 40 with night sights. I have XD45c with Tru Glo TFO's and XDM 40 with Trijicons. You will not go wrong with either. Great guns, reliable, accrate, and very durable.

David E
February 21, 2009, 11:49 PM
It depends on the use.

If for defense, the 1911 should be carried cocked and locked. This is NOT for the casual shooter, as it takes a serious commitment to the C&L system.

The XD can also be used for serious defense, so please don't misunderstand me.

If the gun is for general purposes, buy the XD, or a Para 1911 with the LDA trigger.

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Prion
February 21, 2009, 11:51 PM
1911, I own an XDM9 and have shot an XD and a couple 1911s. I'm gonna pick up my Springer TRP next week. Would take the 1911 over all comers.

ndh87
February 21, 2009, 11:52 PM
1911. Its the only auto i own that i still shoot. nothing else compares.

Defense Minister
February 21, 2009, 11:53 PM
It depends on whether or not you want a striker fired pistol or a traditional, single-action autoloader. If you are more familiar with one over the other, go with your experience level. I never want to have to guess which gun I have in my hand this time.

magnumman44
February 22, 2009, 12:31 AM
I have an XD45 Tactical, and I absolutely love it...I carry it concealed on my body in the winter, and in my car in the summer. I bought a S&W 1911, and I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I look forward to doing that in the next few weeks. Get some carry experience first, and get used to the recoil of a 45 with the XD, and buy a 1911 later imho...

EHL
February 22, 2009, 02:12 AM
1911, only if you're willing to train with it. Other wise go with the semi auto equivelant to the revolver, the XD. My wife carries an XD and it's a fine pistol. She doesn't dedicate as much time as I'd like to practise shooting, but at least she carries it and occasionally, when the weather is nice, she will accompany me out to the range to shoot. The only reason she went with that over a revolver was because the trigger wasn't so bad as those DA revolvers and she can indeed rack the slide rather easily and speedily. No safeties to mess with and very easy gun to deal with. I carry a 1911 because I care to respect the level of training it requires to handle one of them. I wouldn't carry any other type of handgun as my primary sidearm. (I have a Walther PPKs as a BUG)

NotSoFast
February 22, 2009, 02:16 AM
If you buy an XD, I would suggest a .40 S&W. Of the three calibers you listed, that one has the most energy out of the muzzle for a standard load. My definition of standard is 124gr, 165gr, and 230gr respectively.

aubie515
February 22, 2009, 11:03 AM
Owning both, if I had to choose one over the other, I'd get the 1911. I carry my S&W 1911PD commander exclusively due to weight and size.

While I like how the XD45 service shoots, it's too bulky for EDC.

Mike J
February 22, 2009, 11:46 AM
My suggestion would be as you have shot the 1911 but not the XD for you to go rent an XD & shoot it before making your decision. While I have never shot a 1911 I know many love them so I respect the platform. I have an XD and know it to be accurate & reliable as well as easy to maintain.

oldFred
February 22, 2009, 02:21 PM
Buy a Taurus PT1911 in stainless. So you will never have to muck with it. Just make sure the serial doesn't start in "NZx". Also check operation in store before you take it home.

You get a custom 1911 with most all the features of a $1200-$2500 brand for about ~$700.

PS. I only mentioned checking the operation because some guy named James Sharpes posts his "hit or miss" quality posts everywhere on the internet. Since I only have experience with my "single" piece and it's in perfect order I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

If you like technology, get an XD. They are high-tech and highly praised.

XDM1390
February 24, 2009, 12:33 PM
XD over and over again. CHeaper, more reliable, cheaper to shoot, etc.

NGIB
February 24, 2009, 01:01 PM
"XD over and over again. CHeaper, more reliable, cheaper to shoot, etc."

OK, your opinion not mine. I'll answer this way, I have 8 1911s and 1 XD. My XD is a 9mm SC that I use as my truck gun. My 1911s are used for just about everything else. Also don't fall for the Taurus sales pitch that you get a $2100 gun for the asking price. The Taurus and the Rock Island Tactical are very similar - and the Rock Island is cheaper. I've owned multiples of both so I speak from experience...

ojibweindian
February 24, 2009, 02:59 PM
I've owned both, and like both. If forced to choose, I'd go with the XD. Personal preference, and not a knock of the 1911.

ArmedBear
February 24, 2009, 04:46 PM
The XD is a very practical tool. Simple, reliable, relatively safe, easy to shoot. I really like mine. That said, it's a bit bulky -- not bad for a 13+1 .45ACP, but that firepower comes with a price.

The 1911 is a wonderful fine firearm. I like them a lot, but I see little point in buying a lower-grade one. It's a heavy, low-capacity gun, a tad more complicated than any modern design, but without nice features like an LCI. It IS skinny, though, which is a big plus for carry.

I have serious concerns about using a target-grade pistol for self-defense. I'll use one for 2700 if I ever muster up the cash for a match-grade 1911...

While our CC laws here say nothing about trigger pull, I would not care to explain to a jury of idiots in civil court why I carried around this customized gun and used it on the poor innocent widdle armed robber across the courtroom, with his vile tort lawyer asking the questions.

Dorkfish
February 24, 2009, 05:19 PM
I guess it would depend on the 1911. I have owned both: XD9sc and XD9 (full frame) as well as a Springfield 1911 Champion. I truly miss the Champion...unfortunately, the price has jumped nearly $500 on the Champion since I bought mine in 2004.

Do your research on the 1911's. Shoot a few to boot, then make a well informed decision.

catzman
February 24, 2009, 08:18 PM
I have 2 XD's and the XD-9 is my wifes carry gun. they are very fine firearms and I also own three 1911's. My current carry gun is a Kimber Ultra Carry and if I were laying down the cash today it would be for a Kimber Raptor. My advise is go to a range that has rentals and try them out. You woun't be wrong with a XD or a high quality 1911.
Ted

Jed Carter
February 24, 2009, 08:28 PM
If you don't have a 1911 then you should ad one to your collection, mine is a Springfield Long slide with the 6" barrel. However it is a complete b***** to take down compared to my other pistols. Still love it.

gglass
February 24, 2009, 10:46 PM
Go for the one not made in Croatia.

bb21
February 24, 2009, 11:08 PM
My suggestion is to try to shoot the XD first before making a decision. I have an XD45c that is the perfect gun for me. I shoot it well, it is easy to conceal, I can load it with 13 round mags when I store it at home or carry it with 10+1 and and extra 10 round mag. I have shot a couple of 1911's and they are great, but for me and for the money I like the XD. Also keep in mind the comments of others and the time and commitment you need to spend on the 1911's with maintenance and cleaning. For the average person a point and shoot weapon is probably the best way to go under stress. Also the new XDm is a great weapon and I would not overlook them. With that said the Springfield 1911's seem to be regarded as some of the very best out of the box accurate/reliable 1911's you can buy and they aren't too expensive. Anyway I hope this helps, Good Luck and be Safe!

blitzen
February 24, 2009, 11:26 PM
I wish you could and I suggest you do not just shoot, but shoot a complete IDPA match with an XD45 and a top of the line 1911. I would bet you will outshoot yourself with the XD. That's my answer.

awg1203r
February 25, 2009, 01:39 AM
Go for the 1911. I chose Kimber Warrior. (Kimber's version of the Operator.) I recently tested out an XD, didn't like it. It shot very well but it didn't feel good for me to shoot, went with a glock instead. Test out a glock. Getting peoples opinions is great but you need to shoot the guns you are considering and even their competition. Find a range with rentals. If you do decide on a 1911, I highly recommend Kimber, or Dan Wesson; spend the $$$ and do it right the first time.

shaggy430
February 25, 2009, 09:22 PM
Thanks all. Great advice. It seems like both have their die-hard fans. It seems like about 50/50 for both. I guess I'll have to shoot the XD before I make my decision.

Just One Shot
February 26, 2009, 10:09 AM
I was faced with this delima just a couple of days ago. I had been eyeballin a couple of different 1911's and was determined to get one or the other.

On the day I was trying to decide on which one I wanted, I went to the gun store and was looking over the selection.

While there I started checking out the XD models they had laying around. I fell for the XD Tactical .40 with the 5" barrel.

There are many features that stood out on the XD that I really liked. Here is a good review of it to read before making your pick.

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory02.php

Also Dr. Ignatius Piazza, Four Weapons Combat Master and founder of Front Sight Firearms Training Institute gives it high marks. I recently read a news letter where he ranked it 2nd behind the Glock's for being the best self defense handgun on the market today.

Now I'm not knocking the 1911. Everyone who knows anything about handguns knows that it has proven itself reliable in the combat environment. In fact, there may still be one added to my safe in the distant future.

Ask yourself this, what is it's intended purpose? Is it for CC, range use or just general usage? My choice was based on the many safety features that the Xd has and how you can go from the holster, with the chamber loaded, to the firing mode without having to disable any type of manual safety.

If you decide to go with the 1911 and you are going to CC then make sure you practice, practice, practice until it becomes second nature to draw and disarm the safety in one fluid motion.

What ever you decide I'm sure you will be happy with your choice.

GRAYRID3R
February 26, 2009, 01:42 PM
I have an XDm 9 and a Colt Government 1911. I love them both and would not give up either one. They are so different, but both great guns. I guess since they're both pretty hard to get right now I'd go with the easiest to find and start saving for the other. Also depends on the $ you have to spend. 1911s are almost 2X the $ of a XD. So go for the price and availability. Big help huh?

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