New member from Yemen


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SmA SiG
February 22, 2009, 02:16 AM
Hello everyone,

I've been regularly reading up on this forum and it has had so much insightful information.

I'm from the country of Yemen and have had access to many great toys.

Although Russian and Eastern European firearms are really cheap here, Western pistols are very difficult to find, and they are usually marked way too high.

To give you an idea, a Glock 19 here at the moment runs you about $3000-$4000.

For me, my personal daily carry firearm is a Sig Pro 2022.

I hope to be a regular member on this forum and be able to benefit and contribute :)

thanks

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MatthewVanitas
February 22, 2009, 04:03 AM
Glad to have you here! Ahlan wa salan!

I don't recall where exactly, but a few years back there was a great thread about long-range shooting competitions in the Gulf States (maybe somewhere in the Emirates?) and it was really interesting to folks to see shooting culture in another part of the world.

If you have any info (and especially pics) about shooting competitions, hunting, etc. in Yemen, I'm sure folks here would find it really interesting.

HeavenlySword
February 22, 2009, 04:30 AM
Welcome

ShadowsInSnow
February 22, 2009, 07:26 AM
Welcome to a very nice and interesting forum. In my neck of the woods Glocks generaly run $500-600, depending on caliber (.45 ACP model G21 are usually more costly). I doubt that they would be nearly as interesting at six times the amount though. I was considering the purchase of a P2022 but ran across a P229 at a price that I could not pass up. SIG makes a rather nice pistol. Again- welcome to the forum. Jack.

bonza
February 22, 2009, 09:21 AM
Welcome! My wife's grandparents lived in Yemen for 2-3 years back in the 1980s. Her grandfather was an entomologist with the University of Montana & he was helping establish improved agricultural methods. They had a great time there & often talked about their experiences in your country.

ultradoc
February 22, 2009, 09:51 AM
welcome!!

chris in va
February 22, 2009, 10:44 AM
To give you an idea, a Glock 19 here at the moment runs you about $3000-$4000.


That's odd, thought Glock was from Austria.:scrutiny:

kilo729
February 22, 2009, 10:48 AM
أهلا

Welcome.

hankdatank1362
February 22, 2009, 11:01 AM
Welcome to THR!

I recently made a female friend who is from Yemen (her parents are on vacation/business there right now, for about the next month.) She moved here when she was very little, and doesn't know much about her birth country (or seem to care), so lately I've been doing a bit of research on Yemen, trying to plant seeds of interest in her mind.

Please feel free to post any interesting gun-stuff that happens over there! We're glad to have you.

SmA SiG
February 22, 2009, 11:02 AM
Thank you all so much for the welcome, I look forward to being a part of this forum :)

If you have any info (and especially pics) about shooting competitions, hunting, etc. in Yemen, I'm sure folks here would find it really interesting.


Matthew, Ahlan wa Sahlan :) , unfortunately, there aren't public shooting competitions in Yemen. In my case and the case of other shooters I know, we usually just drive for about an hour to the country side and shoot at designated places. If rifles are your thing, then Yemen is one of the best places for you. I'll definitely take some pictures and post them here next time I go shooting.


I was considering the purchase of a P2022 but ran across a P229 at a price that I could not pass up. SIG makes a rather nice pistol. Again- welcome to the forum. Jack.

Jack, I recently shot with the P229, beautiful gun, I am considering getting one here if I can find one with a good price, as I have said, buying Western made pistols here is really painful.

My wife's grandparents lived in Yemen for 2-3 years back in the 1980s.

Wow, that's a long time ago, there weren't that many foreigners back then compared to now :D

SmA SiG
February 22, 2009, 11:18 AM
I recently made a female friend who is from Yemen (her parents are on vacation/business there right now, for about the next month.) She moved here when she was very little, and doesn't know much about her birth country (or seem to care), so lately I've been doing a bit of research on Yemen, trying to plant seeds of interest in her mind.

Please feel free to post any interesting gun-stuff that happens over there! We're glad to have you.

Yemen has so much heritage and interest, I'm sure if your friend came for a short visit here she'll dig deep and start trying to find out more about her origins.

I'll definitely post any gun related things from here, I already have a reason to take pictures next time I go shooting :D

and thank you, I'm glad to be a part of this forum and to learn from everyone's experience

elrod
February 22, 2009, 11:55 AM
Welcome to the forum. I, for one, would be intrested in the laws and customs related to firearms in Yemen.

Tommygunn
February 22, 2009, 02:10 PM
Glock 19 for 3-4000 dollars!!! Yikes!
I bought a G19 for just over $500.oo this past December! :eek:


Anyway, welcome to the forum.;)

Kruzr
February 22, 2009, 03:31 PM
Glock 19 for 3-4000 dollars!!! Yikes!
I bought a G19 for just over $500.oo this past December!

But then again, he can go to the "bazaar" outside of Sana'a and pick up a decent AK for 150 bucks.

:)

jad0110
February 22, 2009, 03:41 PM
First off, welcome to THR! It is not often that we get to welcome new members from your part of the world.

Like others, I am very interested in learning more about gun ownership / laws in Yemen, when you have some time to share.

For me, my personal daily carry firearm is a Sig Pro 2022.

I am not too familiar with Sigs, and I've never heard of this model. Maybe it isn't common/available in the States? Sorry to hear Western firearms are generally so expensive. I don't own a single handgun that wasn't made in the U.S., so I guess I'd be broke if I lived in Yemen :o ... I enjoy carrying a Springfield 1911 45 ACP, a S&W 642 (snub-nose 38 - pocket gun) and soon a 2" S&W Model 15.

yokel
February 22, 2009, 03:42 PM
But then again, he can go to the "bazaar" outside of Sana'a and pick up a decent AK for 150 bucks.

It would appear that some folks could seriously use one:

Jews in Yemen reportedly fled their homes due to threats from Al Qaeda members who sent letters to 45 Jews living in al-Salem, near Sanaa, on 19 January 2007, accusing them of involvement in an "international Zionist conspiracy".

Zoogster
February 23, 2009, 01:33 AM
Welcome to the forum.
I recall an interesting article not long ago mentioning that Yemen still had a strong gun culture and more firearm freedom than people in the US until recently.
That in really recent times there has been a strong surge in Gun Control measures, many of which are from abroad.

You mention the extreme cost of a western pistol in your homeland. No doubt largely a result of European and U.S. arms policies, along with implementation of those policies through the UN.
Here in the US we have abuses of the ITAR system (put in place to restrict classified material) which restrict exports of firearms, which greatly contributes to denying foreigners the RKBA. They are supposedly "inalienable" rights, but it would appear only within US boarders.
Current politics in the US aim to strengthen such legislation further in light of Mexican relations. Mexico attempts to deny the majority of its citizens the RKBA with only a few thousand firearm permits for limited types of arms out of a population of over 100 million. As a result many Mexicans seek such freedoms by aquiring firearms from the US (illegaly).
The media paints it as drug cartels doing the purchasing, who often use full auto firearms, RPGs, grenades and other items not available on the US market. Clearly that is not the case for such items.
Our government's firearm enforcement branch better known as the ATF has just recieved millions more in the latest bill passed through congress to specificly focus on the issue.


Yemen being one of the few nations in the world with more firearm freedoms than the US, and a long history of being that way I was quite disappointed in the international pressure to destroy that. Pressure ignited in Yemen and funded by those abroad for political reasons.
Much of that was in 2007 and 2008. How are firearm freedoms in your nation now?
I seem to recall a great amount of growth in firearm restrictions over the last couple years. As a result if you possess or are using illegal firearms I would encourage you to refrain from posting official record of it here.

You must also know citizens in the US will be unable to legaly help you with your expensive western pistol situation. Restrictions placed on exports by the US government significantly limit private export regardless of what your own nation allows. Heavy prison sentences exist for those who violate the restrictions.


It would appear that some folks could seriously use one:

Jews in Yemen reportedly fled their homes due to threats from Al Qaeda members who sent letters to 45 Jews living in al-Salem, near Sanaa, on 19 January 2007, accusing them of involvement in an "international Zionist conspiracy".
A guy reached out to be a part of the forum. No need for your response.
Your decision to speak primarily about Jews in the middle east leading to politics regarding Israel as part of an initial greeting to a likely Islamic man from the middle east who never brought up the controversal topic shows a total lack of sensitivity and a disregard for manners or complete ignorance.
Its like creating an immediate wedge rather than speaking of common ideals regarding firearms.
Yemen is one of the few parts of the world that has long had even greater firearm freedoms than here in the USA. Let us learn from this guy rather than creating immediate wedges that cause him to shy away from the forum.

BHP FAN
February 23, 2009, 01:59 AM
My wife and kid are Jews.I'll still say,welcome aboard.SmASig,why don't you pick up a Makarov or Tokarev? You can probably get a heck of a deal on one of them,and have a lot of money left over for ammo.

HeavenlySword
February 23, 2009, 03:05 AM
Hey BHP, I'm an Infidel- literally

-_- He isn't shouting slurs against jews atm, so no need for the 'ill still welcome'

Sorry if im being harsh

SmA SiG
February 23, 2009, 03:07 AM
Zoogster,

thank you so much for the entire explanation.

Gun control in the capital Sana'a and other major cities has always existed. However, it was never implemented for so long. In September of 2007, the government decided to enforce the law, mainly in the cities. Since then, you are not allowed to carry firearms without proper authorization. This was compared to seeing people walk around with AKs on their back in the streets a few years back.

The problem with getting the license to carry is that most citizens are unable to get this license. The government will hand licenses to ex top government officials or anyone who has strong ties with the government. The average Joe can't obtain this license. This is our government's way of trying to implement gun control, "only our friends can protect themselves". So as a result, most people just carry their weapons without authorization. Problems are always arising when someone is stopped by police and found to have a weapon without authorization.

Of course, carrying weapons in Yemen isn't mainly for security, it's about heritage, people pride themselves with carrying their weapons. Most people who carried their weapons openly in major cities are Bedouins. Bedouins have the strictest of codes when it comes to their guns. For example never, ever, ever, pull out your gun when the situation doesn't warrant it. For example, I recall a time when someone of Bedouin origin living in the capital (most people living in the capital are of Bedouin origin and have tribal ties) pulled out his gun out of anger at someone who tried to punch him to start a fight. The man brought shame to his tribe and was ordered by his tribe to never carry his firearm. That doesn't mean nobody gets shot here, but it's something in the minds of who carries a firearm.

Lawfully, gun control exists only in the major cities. In tribal areas (most of Yemen is controlled by tribes) nobody can tell you what you're allowed to carry and what licenses you have.

I am confident that this current system implemented in the cities will fail and the government will be forced to make it so everyone who wants can get a license.

As for being able to get firearms exported from the US. That would be a dream as I have a nice long list of all the things I would like. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, the laws there and here are very difficult to make this work. This is why someone selling a Glock here for 3-4k can get away with it, because they know how difficult it is to bring them in.

Once again, thank you for the welcome! :)

Prince Yamato
February 23, 2009, 03:12 AM
Can you buy automatic weapons in Yemen? If so, could you spend that $3000 on a Glock 18? :)

SmA SiG
February 23, 2009, 03:25 AM
But then again, he can go to the "bazaar" outside of Sana'a and pick up a decent AK for 150 bucks.

That's true :) AKs prices range depending on quality. I just picked up an authentic Polish one with all matching serials that has never been fired for $800. The AK prices range from Chinese, and on to the better ones.

It would appear that some folks could seriously use one:

Jews in Yemen reportedly fled their homes due to threats from Al Qaeda members who sent letters to 45 Jews living in al-Salem, near Sanaa, on 19 January 2007, accusing them of involvement in an "international Zionist conspiracy".

This incident was very unfortunate. Al-Qaeda is not Yemeni, Jews in Yemen have such deep history that is respected by most Yemenis. Proof is that they live openly here and aren't bothered by most Yemenis, of course the racists and extremists exist everywhere in the world, so it's not perfect.


My wife and kid are Jews.I'll still say,welcome aboard.SmASig,why don't you pick up a Makarov or Tokarev? You can probably get a heck of a deal on one of them,and have a lot of money left over for ammo.

Thank you,

I already own a Makarov :) it's a nice gun and available at an excellent price, but it can never beat or come close to a Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, etc.

A guy reached out to be a part of the forum. No need for your response.
Your decision to speak primarily about Jews in the middle east leading to politics regarding Israel as part of an initial greeting to a likely Islamic man from the middle east who never brought up the controversal topic shows a total lack of sensitivity and a disregard for manners or complete ignorance.
Its like creating an immediate wedge rather than speaking of common ideals regarding firearms.
Yemen is one of the few parts of the world that has long had even greater firearm freedoms than here in the USA. Let us learn from this guy rather than creating immediate wedges that cause him to shy away from the forum.

Hey BHP, I'm an Infidel- literally

-_- He isn't shouting slurs against jews atm, so no need for the 'ill still welcome'

Sorry if im being harsh

Thank you both

mnrivrat
February 23, 2009, 05:19 AM
Welcome to THR ! Glad to have you as part of the forum , and I look forward to your participation.

Sixtigers
February 23, 2009, 06:36 AM
Welcome aboard, mate! I would LOVE to see some pictures from your next shoot!

Shung
February 23, 2009, 07:21 AM
great reading !!! nice to have you in here ! I'd love to visit Yemen, but lately we've been told it wasnt that wise. So hopefully in the future.

Kragax
February 23, 2009, 07:33 AM
Welcome, I also would be interested in learning more about the gun culture in your country and learning more about your country and its people in general. One question ar the AKs avaliable there full auto?

yokel
February 23, 2009, 08:38 AM
Quote:
It would appear that some folks could seriously use one:

Jews in Yemen reportedly fled their homes due to threats from Al Qaeda members who sent letters to 45 Jews living in al-Salem, near Sanaa, on 19 January 2007, accusing them of involvement in an "international Zionist conspiracy".

A guy reached out to be a part of the forum. No need for your response.
Your decision to speak primarily about Jews in the middle east leading to politics regarding Israel as part of an initial greeting to a likely Islamic man from the middle east who never brought up the controversal topic shows a total lack of sensitivity and a disregard for manners or complete ignorance.
Its like creating an immediate wedge rather than speaking of common ideals regarding firearms.
Yemen is one of the few parts of the world that has long had even greater firearm freedoms than here in the USA. Let us learn from this guy rather than creating immediate wedges that cause him to shy away from the forum.

Be at ease, my remarks were not intended as any sort of personal slap at the OP or attempt to sidetrack the discussion.

I was merely pointing out a true situation, and that private gun ownership can still mean much more than just a gratifying hobby and recreational activity for certain groups.

SmA SiG
February 23, 2009, 09:38 AM
Welcome, I also would be interested in learning more about the gun culture in your country and learning more about your country and its people in general. One question ar the AKs avaliable there full auto?

AKs here are full automatics, they are sold as they are produced, no modifications in any way.

HoosierQ
February 23, 2009, 11:00 AM
Welcome Indeed. Yemen is seen as an unfriendly place to westerners and we need more communication from Yemenis so that we can break down predjudice.

I think Yemen is interesting because Arabian culture actually orginated there and spread northward into what is today Saudi Arabia.

Most scholars believe that many Bible stories from the Old Testament took place in Yemen.

I love the desert. Do you have an opprtunity to go out in the desert...and shoot or hunt? That is kind of a tradition here in the western USA (although I have not yet had that pleasure).

Hk91-762mm
February 23, 2009, 12:12 PM
Please send photos-!
One nice thing about this intra web is meeting peole from around the world.
Unfortunatly this forum locks and deleats threads that are not spicifically GUN orented.So it might be difficult to share cultures here.
My wife is from china -I have found china is nothing like the typical American thinks china is.. likeI suspect yemen is the same way..
Id love a full auto AK..

Prince Yamato
February 23, 2009, 12:27 PM
AKs here are full automatics, they are sold as they are produced, no modifications in any way.

Oh, I am sooooo jealous now.... :D

phoglund
February 23, 2009, 12:57 PM
Welcome to the forum friend, it is good to hear from you.

Just out of curiosity, if I were to visit Yemen, would it be possible to go to the designated area and shoot if a Yemeni citizen were willing to assist?

I have no current plans to visit but am curious nevertheless. I would enjoy blasting a un-altered AK in the desert. :)

Kind of Blued
February 23, 2009, 02:34 PM
Welcome friend!

Seminole
February 23, 2009, 03:22 PM
Welcome. I've never had the opportunity to go to Yemen, but I have friends who have visited and been quite impressed by your country and its culture. It's good to have a Yemeni on the forum.

SmA SiG
February 24, 2009, 10:50 AM
Welcome Indeed. Yemen is seen as an unfriendly place to westerners and we need more communication from Yemenis so that we can break down predjudice.

I look forward to doing just that and get to know some of you.

I love the desert. Do you have an opprtunity to go out in the desert...and shoot or hunt? That is kind of a tradition here in the western USA (although I have not yet had that pleasure).

Yemen is more of a mountainous area, I haven't gone hunting, but planning on doing it sometime soon! :)

Please send photos-!
One nice thing about this intra web is meeting peole from around the world.
Unfortunatly this forum locks and deleats threads that are not spicifically GUN orented.So it might be difficult to share cultures here.
My wife is from china -I have found china is nothing like the typical American thinks china is.. likeI suspect yemen is the same way..
Id love a full auto AK..

I will definitely post photos when I go shooting to show the area and the guns I use. Zoogster suggested I refrain from posting pictures while using illegal firearms, as I mentioned, there are no gun laws in the tribal areas outside of the cities, so it won't be illegal where I am, but just in case, I'll blur my face from the pictures as to keep my options of visiting the USA and the rest of the world (wouldn't want a TSA agent at Dulles airport ask me about pictures of me shooting an H&K G3 with a grenade launcher mounted on it :D )

Just out of curiosity, if I were to visit Yemen, would it be possible to go to the designated area and shoot if a Yemeni citizen were willing to assist?

There is no problem at all. Anytime we have foreign guests here, shooting is part of the tour :)

Welcome. I've never had the opportunity to go to Yemen, but I have friends who have visited and been quite impressed by your country and its culture. It's good to have a Yemeni on the forum.

thank you :) I look forward to being part of this forum

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