Weird night last night


October 3, 2003, 03:28 PM
My neighborhood is generally pretty safe and it used to be a very quiet neighborhood. A few years ago when the "projects" in Baltimore were torn down and most residents were given vouchers to get housing out in the 'burbs. Some section 8 vouchers were given to people to move here to Columbia (makes sense, move the section 8 people to one of the 5-10 most affluent counties in America, they won't start trouble there :rolleyes: ). Well, about half of the section 8 residents who came to Columbia were brought to some apartments and townhouses less than a mile from me. Along with the section 8 housing came some thugs and many drug dealers. Ever since, occasionally "weird" things happen here.

Around 10 or 11PM last night I heard a few "bangs" that seemed to come from one of my neighbors' yards that sounded suspiciously like a .22lr (they were a series of .22lr type "cracks" that came in quick succession over about a second or two). I also noticed that the light in the backyard that is on a motion sensor was on (it stays for about a minute or two so someone, or some animal, had recently passed through my backyard). I noted the noise but didn't call the police. I didn't see anything and there was always the chance that I mistook another sound for a .22lr (though it was certainly an unusual series of sounds for here). I did prepare myself just in case and in addition to the loaded Taurus 85 that I usually have I made sure my CZ 75B was fully loaded and easy to get to and I loaded my SKS (I've got to get off my duff and get a .223 carbine or a shotgun since I live in a very suburban area- 7.62x39 would have too much penatration, but you use what you have).

Later that evening/morning (~ 2am) I heard some banging that was different, like someone banging on a door at a nearby house. A few seconds later I heard a series of bangs thta again sounded like .22lr being fired. Again, I noticed the light on the motion sensor was on indicating an animal or person had passed through the backyard within a minute or two. I then heard several more bangs that sounded like a .22lr and a neighborhood dog started going nuts (I never hear any of the nieghbors' dogs at night so this was highly unusual). There were two or three more within the next couple minutes (and lots of dog barking aggressively). At this point I also readied my 1911 and added it to my belt (IWB).

All these series of sounds were behind my house, the first set to the right, the second set to the left. Later (3 or 4am) I heard more "bangs" and then the dog of a neighbor that lives in a house a few houses in front of mine went nuts.

Since I never saw anything and I might have mistook the sound I didn't call the police. The banging like someone banging on a door might have been an animal getting into someone's trash, but the sound that sounded like a .22lr probably wasn't (I doubt it anyway). But since I couldn't see a person when I looked out the windows (from a dark room of course) I figured I couldn't do much and the police would have simply taken down what I said and probably ignored it. It seemed at the time that my only option was to prepare. I kept myself awake by posting on THR (though not about this since I pretty much figured my course of action) just in case something happened I didn't want to be asleep in bed and have to add to my reaction time.

How did I do?

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SW 586
October 3, 2003, 03:45 PM
A Taurus 85, a CZ 75B, and a 1911 all stuck in your belt. Since you also were probably holding your SKS with both hands, how did you keep yer pants up with all those handguns stuck in yer waistband? :D :p :neener:

October 3, 2003, 03:50 PM
If I heard gunfire in my neighbors backyard in the wee hours of the morning, I'd call the cops.

Did you talk to your neighbors about this?

October 3, 2003, 03:52 PM
Sounds like a neighbor might be dealing with racoons or a stray something -or- other. I would call the police....that's what they are there for. Your armory won't keep a stray round out of your house.

And what Sven said...talking to the neighbors is good.

October 3, 2003, 03:56 PM
My best friend, an urban developer, was a strong opponent of vouchers for underpriveledged. I live in one of the nicer NW suburbs of Chicago, a prime place where he wanted to relocate these people. I argued with him until I was blue in the face that it is NOT the right thing to do. One he paid for his own home in a nice neighborhood and he saw how much money and work went into keeping it that way, he changed his tune.
(Mainly because he didn't want the same in HIS neighborhood)
Thank God.

October 3, 2003, 04:04 PM
I HOPE you had pajamas on. Commando wear in Maryland this time of year with weapons will make you the talk of the burb!:what:

October 3, 2003, 04:05 PM
A Taurus 85, a CZ 75B, and a 1911 all stuck in your belt. The Taurus was IWB most of the night. The CZ 75 was just readied but not worn. When I put on the 1911 it was put IWB and the Taurus was moved to my pocket. I have a good belt:D . The SKS was kept in my bedroom but was loaded so if I needed it and could get to it I had it ready.If I heard gunfire in my neighbors backyard in the wee hours of the morning, I'd call the cops. The only thing is being a shooter I'm pretty sure it was a .22lr but I was not 100% sure. Also, the likelihood is strong that the report would have been ignored. Around here the police prefer to give tickets and to harrass kids over doing real work (can't blame them really- this is a suburban force, as recently as 20-30 years ago it was still a pretty rural county and they train as if it still was, and they are terribly unprepared for the kinds of urban problems that have started happening around here) . They would have at least taken a report though and there would have been something on file so if it happened again then maybe they would have taken it seriously.Did you talk to your neighbors about this? Not yet, I'm not sure how to broach the subject. I have some neighbors with enough problems, I don't need to scare them with "did you hear that gunfire last night":what: . Also, several of my neighbors tend to be in bed by 10 or 11 so I doubt they heard anything so this would be the first they would have heard of it (why scare people).Sounds like a neighbor might be dealing with racoons or a stray something -or- other. That is possible but the .22lr sounds were long before the first banging that could have been an animal getting into something. Also, I'm pretty sure none of my neighbors would be shooting off a firearm (houses are set very close together in Columbia even if they did own a gun, and most probably don't like/own guns).

Edit for: I do have one neighbor though who could use a little more common sense. There have been problems with deer eating people's gardens (and they are having financial problems and need that garden right now). She told me of a plan to buy a pellet gun to shoot deer that she saw eating from her gardern:what: . However, they are just about always asleep by the time these noises started, but I suppose it is possible that she stayed up and if her sense is such that she'd shoot a pellet gun at a deer maybe someone convinced her that wouldn't be strong enough and she got a .22 for the job. Again though, I doubt very much that she'd be up at 3 and 4AM when this was still happening and the sounds changed direction on two of the occasions (started pretty much at their backyard, but the second time was on the other side of my backyard, and the third was in front of the house).

October 3, 2003, 04:11 PM
Welcome to life with section 8 residents in your neighborhood.
Poor people=drinking to avoid the facts of life= stupid behavior and fights
Keep a pistol loaded near your bed and a good flashlight handy. Keep your door shut, get a jam bar for it, and learn to sleep through the unimportant noises. As you have learned the cops will do nothing. Going outside will get you involved, and since MD frowns on carry by citizens, you have no protection if you do so. You did good by staying inside and controlling your curiosity.

October 3, 2003, 04:42 PM
ahhhh, dont worry about it. probably just Boris the Blade in your neighborhood.

yeah, i know, a really obscure reference.

October 3, 2003, 04:49 PM
Chaim, could it have been firecrackers?

If I heard gunfire in my neighbors backyard in the wee hours of the morning, I'd call the cops. In my neighborhood if I didn't hear gunfire from time to time I'd report it. Cops would need to come see if the coons, coyotes and skunks had carried off the neighbors. :neener:

4v50 Gary
October 3, 2003, 04:57 PM
No crime or sin to be poor. However, it is a crime to be an unlicensed entrepreurial pharmacist, or to have as one's vocation to promote by violent conflict the undertaking industry. For those people, it's not Section 8 housing but 80 years in the pen to "mellow them out."

October 3, 2003, 05:46 PM
probably 1 would have been enough,you dont want to restrict your mobility.grips sticking out everywhere have an tendancy to snag things at the worst possable times.

October 3, 2003, 08:17 PM
Section 8 housing does not only move the ghetto to the burbs - it makes the downtown ripe for picking for the Big $ developers, while moving the cost of educating the "kids from the hood" over to the suburban worker bees. Sneaky socialism hidden as creative developement. It's a plot I tell ya. Oh well ...sorry to change the subject.

Standing Wolf
October 3, 2003, 09:27 PM
If it sounds like it even might be gunfire, I arm myself and dial 911. I haven't had to do that since leaving the People's Republic of California to return to the United States, but I'd rather bother cops for no good reason than take unnecessary chances.

October 3, 2003, 10:48 PM
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That is so cool. I didn't even notice what you were doing till halfway thru.

Bob F.
October 3, 2003, 10:55 PM
Other than the weather, what's the difference between Maryland and California???

October 4, 2003, 12:41 AM
ahhhh, dont worry about it. probably just Boris the Blade in your neighborhood.

Yeah, next thing you know Bullet Tooth Tony will be showing up with his friend Desert Eagle Point Five-O to take care of him. :D

I love "Snatch"...

Andrew Rothman
October 4, 2003, 01:19 PM
I just can't understand why you didn't call the cops. Let THEM figure ourt whether it was .22LR thqt you heard.

I've never heard of cops getting annoyed about anunfounded gun call. Better safe than sorry.


October 4, 2003, 08:04 PM
Other than the weather, what's the difference between Maryland and California??? Tons.

They have a 10 day waiting period for handguns, we have a 7 business day waiting period. They are very restrictive on long guns (no "assault weapons"), we are very restrictive on handguns (shell casing law, "the list", built-in lock law, the last causing most models of new handguns to be illegal here). They have "may issue CCW" that is dependent upon the sheriff where you live making some areas effectively "shall-issue", others are effectively no-issue, and in many you at least have a fighting chance. Here we are "may issue CCW" but it is decided by the state police, so unless you are a business owner who wants to protect your cash deposits or merchandise, you are highly unlikely to ever be approved (though if you can document a continuing death threat you have a chance at approval) and there are no differences in different parts of the state. They border the Pacific Ocean, we border the Atlantic Ocean. Any more questions.:p

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