Is the gun rush slowing down?


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azhunter122
February 22, 2009, 07:05 PM
I spoke with a friend who sells at gun shows and he said that his last gun show was a lot slower than his last couple and he also mentioned that he has competitive prices and a good stock of ammo and what everyone has been wanting gun wise. Is it slowing down? I haven't been buying lately because of high prices and I already have a good stock of what I want.

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DJW
February 22, 2009, 07:10 PM
I don't think it is slowing down here in Central Texas. Went to breakfast with the "over the hill gang" Sat. am as usual. Then we proceeded to the local Saxet show. No parking spaces and a VERY long line to get in at 9:40 am(opens at 0900) Took a pass as the aisles get very full under those conditions and I didn't really need anything special anyway. Was mainly going in order to sell some things I have not used in a long time............Dave

CoRoMo
February 22, 2009, 07:10 PM
Maybe. My local Wal Mart had a shelf packed with 9mm Blazer Brass. It looked like they had just stocked that shelf full that morning so it could all be gone by now. If it's all sold, then the panic is still in full force.

One of my favorite local dealers still hasn't received the four Colt ARs that he ordered last fall. His card was charged by Colt back in December and he can't get a call back from the Colt rep. If the buying is slowed, the manufacturing is still back-ordered in the thousands.

The Sentinel
February 22, 2009, 07:11 PM
It doesn't seem to be slowing down here in California....every gun shop I've gone to in the past month are just about out of everything and waiting for shipments that they say sell out as soon as they get shipments in. Been wanting a Henry Big Boy rifle, .357 mag for over a year. Decided to make the plunge and get one, but now can't find one locally when they were all over the place before.

Had trouble getting .38+P last week at local gun shop. All sold out...

mulletguter
February 22, 2009, 07:26 PM
In the last month I’ve been to 3 shows. The CWP classes are chock full and hand gun sales are brisk but not the 1 hr wait to do the paper work like Nov. and Dec. Plenty of ARs. PS90s etc. sitting on the tables with out many buyers. If the ecomany continues down the crapper there should be lots of deals for dealer and private sales for those with a job and some cash.

jnyork
February 22, 2009, 07:29 PM
Last show here in Yuma packed to the walls with people, most I have ever seen. Not one round of .22 rimfire available in town except the way overpriced stuff at one local shop. Ammo shelves at three walmarts barren of almost everything.

Nope, not over by a long shot, IMHO

BillyBothHands
February 22, 2009, 07:32 PM
I think the rush is till going strong. I thought it might be slowing down here but when I started paying attention it seemed to be more along the line of everyone getting used to it. Including things better in stock (maybe this is more manufacturing or just better ordering on part of retailers). Also I've noticed the employees getting better at managing the crowds so you get the impression of less busy. Also a lot of the just lost and confused people are learning maybe? and/or have spent all their money lol. Just my 2 cents I enjoy people watching especially if its something 'out of the ordinary' such as the recent rush. So far I've been lucky haven't had any issues getting my hands on anything I've wanted at a current price. Yes ammo is high i don't like that, but I haven't felt like I've been price gouged in any way at the places I frequent.

TheDriver
February 22, 2009, 07:32 PM
In central KY, I'd say yes. In fact, other than a shortage of non-pc mags, I never saw an extensive shortage.

Phydeaux642
February 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
I thought it was slowing down some where I'm at until a couple of weeks ago when it got worse. I can't find anything worth the money anymore.

Ohio Gun Guy
February 22, 2009, 08:02 PM
My local wal mart is still sold out all common ammo. Its crazy how bare their ammo shelf is. In fact, the last two times I walked through someone was buying a rifle. (Central Ohio)

DCortez
February 22, 2009, 08:09 PM
Not til we all run out of money, lol.

Gunther
February 22, 2009, 08:31 PM
Here in Central Pennsylvania the Wal-Marts have some ammo now but it goes out as fast as it goes in and they have signs up blaming the ammo manufacturers "shortage". The gun shows the past 4-6 weeks have been totally nuts. Any EBR or semi-auto handguns were selling briskly along with military caliber ammo. It wasn't unusual to see a guy with a new handgun or EBR with a case of ammo under his arm heading for the car all the time. Reloading supplies are being hit hard, I had an awful time getting 1000 22 cal 55gr FMJ, finally got some from Cabelas. Yeah I would say its still goin strong here

Boba Fett
February 22, 2009, 08:40 PM
Maybe just slightly. The local Wally Worlds have 45 ACP, 5.56/223, and 308 again.

The gun shows are still packed in the Houston/Pasadena areas and the prices certainly aren't coming down yet on things like ARs.

Considering some of the legislation coming from the ruling class in Washington, I imagine it will be a while before the market relaxes enough to allow the prices to drop. That or there will be a complete enough saturation that everyone who is going to buy based on future predictions will have bought all they want/can afford, and there might be a price drop then as well.

trayzor
February 22, 2009, 08:56 PM
I don't believe it is slowing down. I think the majority of people are evaluating what to spend their money on, since many continue to lose their jobs, or fear they might. You also have people preparing taxes now and will be contemplating how to spend any refunds they get back.

Ammo is still backordered or non existent. The guns shops are short on firearms (at least around here). I personally continue to buy ammo with each paycheck, although I have cut down on my indoor range time slightly until weather here allows me to go outside more.

Over the next few months I think you'll start to see a trend in one direction or another regarding the economy, jobs, and the attack on the Second Ammendment. Don't be surprised to see this ramp up again like it did last year when it became clear Obama was leading the race.

f4t9r
February 22, 2009, 09:12 PM
not here, just went to the gun show and it was crazy. Could hardly walk around because of so many people

cindynles
February 22, 2009, 09:17 PM
The rush is going strong in southern california. My wife relented and allowed me to spend some of our tax refund on a new toy (Glock 19:evil:). So I started looking for one, called every dealer within 50 miles of me, Temecula, and couldn't find anyone with any in stock. So after a week I decided to put a 50% deposit down so that I would get first crack at the next shipment. As luck would have it while I was in the store on my lunch break last Wed filling out the deposit paperwork FedEx show up with 10 G19s:neener:. I got one of them ($549) and they sold 5 more while I was in the store. This was on a Wed at lunch time.

Lonestar.45
February 22, 2009, 09:49 PM
I don't think it is slowing down here in Central Texas. Went to breakfast with the "over the hill gang" Sat. am as usual. Then we proceeded to the local Saxet show. No parking spaces and a VERY long line to get in at 9:40 am(opens at 0900) Took a pass as the aisles get very full under those conditions and I didn't really need anything special anyway. Was mainly going in order to sell some things I have not used in a long time............Dave

Yep. I was there today around noon and it was the same way. It is definitely NOT slowing down, except in the sense that there is no ammo to be had and a LOT fewer guns.

AR15 stripped lowers for $200-$250 (were $125 back in September). Complete DPMS lowers $425 (were $225 several months back). NO .223 ammo. NO 9mm ammo. NO .45acp ammo. WASR 10's $700 and up. Cheapest AR I saw was $1,200, most were $1,500 and up. Unissued Yugo SKS's for $295.
Of course there were still all the obligatory bolt actions, shotguns, revolvers, used pistols.
There is usually two large ammo dealers. One of them had packed up and left by Sunday when I got there, as they sold out of everything. That's a first, they usually always still have some odd calibers or reloads left.

I did find a guy with some NEW Glock 19 mags for $20. I bought 3, as I had stocked up a ton before the price hike, but I could not pass up those prices since the cheapest I can find them anywhere locally is $29. He was out of G17 mags at that price or I'd have bought more for a buddy of mine that wants some.

I've been going just about every month for the last few years, and the last few months I have seen the incredible rush, panic buying, price hikes, etc. But, I have to say, today felt different. There didn't seem to be a crazy panic buying mood (I think lack of product and high prices contributed to that), but I overheard a lot more talk of "revolution" and survival stuff than I normally do. You always run into that at the gunshow and it seemed to me in the past to be more of a fringe deal, but this time there was a whole lot more of it from a lot more people that make me take a real notice.

Yosemite Sam
February 22, 2009, 09:51 PM
People are getting their tax refunds. I don't see a slowdown till May. :D

Cajun
February 22, 2009, 09:55 PM
It seems like it might be slowing down some here in North Louisiana I was at my local gun shop the other day and they had some AR's and AK's and a good supply of ammo.The last couple of times I went in there there was hardly anybody in there matter of fact when I was in there last week I was the only one in the store!!

PTK
February 22, 2009, 10:41 PM
Maybe. My local Wal Mart had a shelf packed with 9mm Blazer Brass. It looked like they had just stocked that shelf full that morning so it could all be gone by now. If it's all sold, then the panic is still in full force.

The Wal-Marts in the Denver area have been stocking CCI Brass 9mm, 40, and 45 without fail this entire time. :)

sturmgewehr667
February 22, 2009, 10:49 PM
people are just running out of money, if you look at most gun boards and read all the SHTF fantasy threads, seems to me like panic is in full force

Lumpy76
February 22, 2009, 10:55 PM
When all the tax refund cash gets spent it might slow down. That is just free money for a lot of us. That's what I thinks!

wep45
February 22, 2009, 10:59 PM
the "panic" will stop when the recently homeless, go to the public food pantry and find the doors locked:evil:

ThrottleJockey
February 23, 2009, 01:31 AM
I only have 1 more gun that I really must buy, had trouble locating one. .357 lever. Found one! Picking it up tomorrow. Most guns in my area are readily avail. Ammo on the other hand is in short supply. Gander and Cabelas have it, but for a price I'm not gonna pay.

solareclipse
February 23, 2009, 05:35 AM
There is only so much money people can charge/spend on things they buy out of fear.. Now ammo though, its actually getting worse.

Sixtigers
February 23, 2009, 05:53 AM
Our local WallyWorld here in SoCal (smaller town in the High Desert) is and has been out of all military calibers, and all common pistol calibers. They did have some 41 special Saturday when I checked, and had just got 10 boxes of Blazer Brass .45 230 gr. I bought 'em all. Feller behind the counter told me that his boss (Debbie--great gal: She gives me 10% off if I buy 1000 rnds at a time) got a letter from Corporate that said that there will be less ammunition distributed for the foreseeable future, with several reasons listed (all have already been discussed in other topics). I had the wife with me, and actually got a kiss along with a "I'm so glad you've been putting bullets away!". Ammo's been scarce here...WallyWorld has been low for nigh on two months now.

Hungry Seagull
February 23, 2009, 10:04 AM
Online buying the really good ammo is getting challenging. Out of stock, back ordered etc. Has been for a month or so now.

Now that I think about it, one store had stacks of winchester bulk ammo in super X shotguns and now those stacks of pallets are all gone.

Yeesh.

Walmarts nothing but game loads and paint gun toys. Everything else cleaned out.

I started to actually visit lesser known gunshops looking for ammunition in more out of way places or perhaps lesser appealing areas. They usually have a stack of something on the shelf still.

AirForceShooter
February 23, 2009, 10:09 AM
In Florida it's not slowing down.

AFS

poppy
February 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
In SW Ohio, it is a yes/no answer to the OP question.

There are no longer long lines to get into gun shows. The last 3 shows had no line outside at all when I got there.

There doesn't appear to be any slow down on ammo. All of the ammo dealers were very busy at the shows, and prices have not come down yet. Wally World sells out of the common calibers as quickly as it comes in, although it depends on the store.

From my observation at gun shows, pistol buying is still up, and prices haven't really changed much. Some dealers have added separate tables with chairs in order to handle multiple buyers filling out federal forms. I think there are more first time buyers.

AR prices are starting to come down and available selection is going up. I was tempted on a Stag left handed carbine for $930 plus tax, but passed since I really want a mid-length. There were a ton of stripped lowers at the last show. Didn't really see anyone buying AR's.

AK prices are still at the same level as right after the election. More are available and fewer are selling.

More people seem to be willing to buy FTF. I have sold several pistols that I couldn't even get anyone to look at 6 months ago. They aren't willing to pay a premium though.

Individuals are still trying to get inflated prices for AR stuff. One guy at the last show had an Olympic (sp?) AR-15 complete lower with a cheap stock for $450. I said "good luck" and kept walking.

I fully expect shows and prices to be back to normal by summer, with the possible exception of some ammo.

BTW, I picked up 3 30 rd. mil-spec AR-15 mags still in the wrapper for $15 each (from an individual). Dealers still want at least $20.

Ala Dan
February 23, 2009, 11:11 AM
The last couple of weeks, the action at the gunshop hasn't been as
fast and furious as the preceding weeks between Nov.4th, '08 and
Jan. 20th, 09. There still seems to be some interest in the "evil black
rifles". More persons are buying handguns based on "the fear factor";
as crime is soaring nationwide. With the economy being as bad as its
been in year's, people are more interested in protecting themselves
as well as what they own~! :scrutiny: ;)

CoRoMo
February 23, 2009, 11:57 AM
I just got off the phone with Lewis Machine & Tool.

They are 24 months out on orders placed today.
They haven't seen the slightest slowdown in the number of orders placed last week as compared to last fall.

Nope. The panic is nowhere near an end. Much less a slowdown.

Lonestar.45
February 23, 2009, 12:25 PM
CoRoMo, that sounds about right.
I read on another site somewhere that a "major" AR manufacturer had a 60,000 gun backorder list. Don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I'd think at some point it will slow down, but I don't think we've quite reached that point yet.

frankd4
February 23, 2009, 12:44 PM
Ammo and black guns are still hard to find re loading components are hard to find mainly primers.

Pork Fat
February 23, 2009, 02:09 PM
Went to my first gun show since moving here. The line was over 100 yards long @9:30, show had been open for half an hour. Early birds were coming out with ammo cans in both hands. It wasn't too hard to move around at first, but it got clogged fast.
Black rifles abundant and dear, most people seemed interested in handguns. The selection of those was not as good as I had hoped. I was looking for a Smith 442, only one that I saw was at ATP's stand. I can get it at their store with less hassle, and I have not yet resigned myself to paying $480 for one.
Georgia Arms ammo tables were a mob scene, 2 and 3 deep and rapidly looking picked over. Nobody had any 9mm Makarov that I could see. It would have been less crowded without the jewelry and craft items.:barf:
I fled empty handed, my last illusions that I had left Communist Maryland for Southern Gun Utopia dashed. At least I have my CWP to look forward to.

gregj
February 23, 2009, 03:05 PM
It's not slowing down in the N. Va area. My Wally World hasnt had any 9mm or 380 ammo in months. We went to the gun show at the Dulles Convention Center a couple weeks ago. Went Sunday after church, got there around 12:30, had a line to get in, and the place was crowded a-hole to elbow.

CoRoMo
February 23, 2009, 03:51 PM
...a "major" AR manufacturer had a 60,000 gun backorder list. Don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Maybe Bushmaster has that type of backlog, but that does seem like an unusually high number for one company, but you never know. I know that each manufacturer has a list into the thousands, maybe ten's of thousands of guns that have been bought and paid for but just need to be built. :eek: If you multiply that times the hundred or so makers, then you've got standing orders for over a million black rifles!!! That makes me smile from ear to ear.

heron
February 23, 2009, 10:24 PM
Maybe Bushmaster has that type of backlog, but that does seem like an unusually high number for one company, but you never know. I know that each manufacturer has a list into the thousands, maybe ten's of thousands of guns that have been bought and paid for but just need to be built. If you multiply that times the hundred or so makers, then you've got standing orders for over a million black rifles!!! That makes me smile from ear to ear.Now I've got to wonder, how many of those are going to arrive at gun stores and then just sit there because buyers lost their jobs (or homes, or both) and had to cancel?

louie19
February 23, 2009, 11:04 PM
I agree with gregj - it is not slowing down in the Northern Virginia area.

Nationwide it is still hard to find AR-15s, magazines for them, or ammo.

22-rimfire
February 23, 2009, 11:20 PM
Guns seem to be more available now than in November/December. But you need to remember that you have Christmas sales mixed with the panic sales. My dominant local gun shop was in very low supply of the popular firearms in January, but has since restocked their shelves at slightly higher prices than before. I don't blame them as I would do the same thing.

Ammo availablity is picking up. It is still fairly hard to find much ammo in Walmart, but even there the supply seems to be approaching the demand now. It sells out fairly quickly but I know there has to be a limit to the madness.

By June, I expect sales to be back to normal unless the Democratic Congress gets into the act with legislation that appears headed for passage or Obama signs an executive order on ammo imports.

Freezebyte
February 23, 2009, 11:24 PM
God I hope so, this farking game of Russion Roulet to get 9mm rounds is getting old

4Freedom
February 24, 2009, 04:09 AM
The answer is no.. I can hardly find any good priced ammo. Most handguns are gone the day they come in.. You should have seen what happened at our local sportsman warehouse. They got a large shipment of handguns and everyone was anticipating it. So, the day after they got the guns in stock, the people horded the store. The new order of guns was wiped out within 3 days. :eek::eek: If the gun ban doesn't drive us to insanity, living day to day worrying about it will. I am shocked at the rate people are hording guns. People no longer will go to movies, go on that nice cruise with the wife or any other recreational acticvity. No.. all the money is going to self-defense . I am guilty of this myself :evil:.

Kind of Blued
February 24, 2009, 04:25 AM
"My Wal-Mart" has been low on ammo, orders are still being filled, gunshows are still busy, etc. From my point of view, the answer is "a bit", but I think you're asking the wrong question.

The "rush" involved many gun purchases by people who previously didn't even own a gun. Simply put, there are now more people who want/need ammo, more people who want/need accessories, and more people who want/need another gun.

Of course, it's supply and demand, but the good news is that with the infusion of demand and MONEY, the gun industry now has the opportunity to GROW to meet the demand. I'm quite happy with the "rush" considering many things; the inevitable increase in carry permit applications, a better standing in regard to the Heller "common use" tag, more shooters with MONEY demanding more land/ranges on which to use their firearms, more people to support the idea of furthering Second Amendment freedoms, etc.

What we're asking here is "when will there be more stuff to buy?" The answer to lies in the hands of the companies who produce the items. The good news is that, as of late, they should have plenty of capital with which to keep the new gun owners stocked and happy, as well as the previous gun owners. Even if every longstanding gun-owner went back to buying their previous amount of "stuff" per month, the new gun owners would still be accounting for a large level of consumption, and to be honest, I'm all for it.

loneviking
February 24, 2009, 04:45 AM
What is weird is what is available used. Times are tough and folks are having to part with some of their guns to keep food on the table. What I'm finding at the pawnshops are high dollar semi-autos, mostly .45's of one sort or another; or very large, target type revolvers. The guns in the middle, the ones for everyday carry and use, are just about non-existent. What's available are either mouse guns, expensive semi-autos', or big caliber target revolvers. Anybody else seeing this?

rklessdriver
February 24, 2009, 08:29 AM
I've been to 3 shows this year and the first one in Chantilly was a mad house. Crazy high prices and not much selection (ie WSAR=$999.99). People were jammed in there 100 deep at the tables.

Last weekend I went to 2 shows. Selection was much better and there wasn't as big of a crowd at both. Dark Sun traders had a pile of the IOR AK's (the ones with the plastic RPK Club Foot butstock)for $599.00 and Trader Jerry was asking about $650 for the same rifle. I saw quite a few SAIGA's and they were reasonable on some tables and still way high on others. Dark Sun had PMC .223 55gr ammo for $380.00 per 1000rnds. I saw those MSAR AUGs everywhere... Things were much closer to what they were before the election.

What a difference a month makes. Wal Mart even has some ammo back in stock. I see prices comming down and selection going back up around NOVA.
Will

jackstinson
February 24, 2009, 09:08 AM
Not slowing down any around here. Just try to find .380acp ammo locally or online. I stopped by the one Walmart in central Ohio which has always had a huge stock of pistol ammo: Yesterday they had 2 boxes of WWB .25acp and 1 box of WWB 9mm...each for $22.95!
Vance's was even sold out of .380 and .32acp ammo last week! Vance's! :eek:
I have never seen their display cabinets and racks so freakin' bare. I was picking up a Bulgarian Makarov I had on layaway and they were actually turning folks away because they were out of various popular lower price brands; like Bersa. Plenty of shotguns though.
Sure, you could get a used Uzi pistol for $1200....but the hand gun cupboards were looking mighty bare.
Jack

searcher451
February 24, 2009, 10:21 AM
Not that I've seen here in Western Oregon. The gun stores are full, the shelves are sparse, and the ammo is hard to find and getting harder to find with each passing day. My local FFL dealer looks worn out every time I see him -- which is good on the one hand but not so good on the other.

The guy who buys the last gun and the last ammo box out there will have to be the one to turn out the lights.

CoRoMo
February 24, 2009, 11:10 AM
I've seen more ammo on the shelves than in months past, but guns... are still scarce.

lamebums
February 24, 2009, 11:16 AM
No signs of slowing down here.

I talked to a guy at Aim and he said he got a semi truck-load of 7.62x39 ammo (1500 cases). He sold them all out within ten hours. That's 1,500,000 rounds.

The local Wal-Mart's are completely cleaned out of handgun ammo. I got all 15 boxes of Blazer Brass 9mm when one did get some in stock the other day. The only things they have in any appreciable amounts are the overpriced Remington UMC .223 and .22 LR.

craig
February 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
i'm gonna find out in 2 weeks.

there's a show in town then, and i got a saiga and wasr 2 to sell complete with mags and ammo.

jackstinson
February 24, 2009, 01:14 PM
I got all 15 boxes of Blazer Brass 9mm when one did get some in stock the other day.
With all due respect....I view that as a large portion of the current problem: rampant hoarding.
Of course it is a free country and people are allowed to buy as much as they want. But when ammo DOES come in, the first guy there buys EVERY BOX. Rather than "getting by" with perhaps 8 boxes and letting some other people buy a box or two as well?
Jack

KBintheSLC
February 24, 2009, 01:18 PM
Is the gun rush slowing down?

I believe so. This bubble blew itself up very quickly... within days. So it is likely to pop rather quickly as well.

Back in late November, you needed an act of God to find an AK for sale. Now they are all over the local classifieds, and gun stores.

Ammo is still a problem, but that too will simmer down soon. I think that when people realize that they don't have the financial fortitude to afford the 100,000 round stockpile, they will give up their pursuit.

With all due respect....I view that as a large portion of the current problem: rampant hoarding.
Of course it is a free country and people are allowed to buy as much as they want. But when ammo DOES come in, the first guy there buys EVERY BOX. Rather than "getting by" with perhaps 8 boxes and letting some other people buy a box or two as well?
Jack

You are absolutely right... but in todays world its all about me, me, me. I don't see that changing anytime soon... especially considering the competitive nature of our society.

Ed4032
February 24, 2009, 01:39 PM
With all due respect....I view that as a large portion of the current problem: rampant hoarding.
Of course it is a free country and people are allowed to buy as much as they want. But when ammo DOES come in, the first guy there buys EVERY BOX. Rather than "getting by" with perhaps 8 boxes and letting some other people buy a box or two as well?
Jack

I am NOT hording... I am just laying up a good supply BEFORE the horders get to it.

wrs840
February 24, 2009, 01:48 PM
...I only have 1 more gun that I really must buy...

Ha! That's what I keep telling myself!

The Charlotte show last weekend was not as slammed as it was a couple months ago, but they still had a line to get in and a capacity crowd. I'm seeing store inventories beginning to fatten a bit here as well. I don't know if demand is easing or if the Obama war on prosperity is beginning to inspire a tightening of discretionary spending. Could be some of both.

Les

LightningJoe
February 24, 2009, 02:40 PM
I don't know. There's still not a single box of handgun ammo at the local Wal-Mart. Some rifle ammo. Nothing that goes in a handgun.

Sauer Grapes
February 24, 2009, 02:53 PM
Here in delaware County Pa. seems that everybody has ammo, unless you want large quanity. Don't shoot enough to be concerned. If I am near a place I have bought ammo, I will stop and c if they have what I shoot and get a box. Nobody seems to have tons though. One place said 4 weeks for Glock 17, 19 and 23's. Another shop had all three.

cornman
February 27, 2009, 11:52 PM
Exactly. How many nuts have 10,000 rounds or more? I bet more than you would guess. Ammo hoarders are like drug addicts. Does anyone really think they will use more than a few 1000 rds. in a lifetime?


With all due respect....I view that as a large portion of the current problem: rampant hoarding.
Of course it is a free country and people are allowed to buy as much as they want. But when ammo DOES come in, the first guy there buys EVERY BOX. Rather than "getting by" with perhaps 8 boxes and letting some other people buy a box or two as well?
Jack

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