Girlfriend suddenly wants CWP....for coyotes?


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mbpautz762
February 22, 2009, 08:21 PM
I've been trying to get my fiance interested in shooting for years, but she never really liked guns because she thought they were way too loud and didn't like recoil at all. she did enjoy shooting a .22 pistol though. Today she came in and said out of nowhere "I wanna get a CWP!"

Obviously shocked, I asked why. apparently she was at the farm where she keeps her horses and saw a coyote running around out there. scared her *&#$%-less! Also, we've heard a couple reports about a rabid coyote on the loose in our area - an area that typically has no coyotes. Anyway, now she's worried about the horses and wants a CWP. I'm obviously not going to pass up on the chance to get her interested in guns, so here's my question.

She's a small girl, about 5'4 and despite the fact that shes a farm-girl who has no problem shoveling horse poop, she's kind of dainty. What's the smallest pistol caliber that could take a coyote? I would love to get her a 10mm, but that will never happen, so I'm thinking a .40 or a 9mm if it's enough to take one. I have no knowledge about coyotes, so please help! thanks!

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9mmepiphany
February 22, 2009, 08:32 PM
they're like a med sized dog

i've seen them put done with a .22 mag and a .357mag. i think a 9mm would be a bette choice than a .40...a even better choice would be the 357 Sig

commygun
February 22, 2009, 08:39 PM
Is it really coyotes she wants to be armed against? I've seen that some people state they want to be armed against a possible animal threat when they really want to be armed against [I]any[I] threat but don't feel comfortable saying so for reasons of political correctness..
You can't throw a rock in a Thurston County gunshop without hitting a nice lesbian couple buying their first handgun (say, a high-cap 9mm) "for snakes".
Right.

dogspit
February 22, 2009, 08:45 PM
Smith and Wesson sw40ve

Sweet to shoot with the power to boot!:D

azhunter122
February 22, 2009, 08:50 PM
Haha that's funny, hows about a revolver in .38 special or .357 mag?

bensdad
February 22, 2009, 08:55 PM
You can't throw a rock in a Thurston County gunshop without hitting a nice lesbian couple

Stop throwing rocks in gunshops. It's dangerous.

OP - Let her pick. Any centerfire will dispatch a yote. The trick will be hitting one with a handgun. Just take her to the gunshop. Stay in the background... the gun is not for you. Be there to make sure she's not getting a load of B.S. from a behind-the-counter-commando, but let her ask the questions and make the choice.

Oro
February 22, 2009, 08:56 PM
For an application like this, I favor a revolver. Mechanically simpler than an auto and with a smaller manual-of-arms. Nice for the new shooter, or infrequent user. A short-barreled ruger or S&W in 2.5 to 3" and .357 will let you choose any load you want from mild to wild, give good accuracy and durability. The shorter barrel will not compromise lethality or accuracy to any appreciable degree, and it is a lot easier to carry when mucking/hacking about than a larger barrel or framed gun.

I got my GF a 2.5" S&W 66 for when we are out with our horses and such. She really likes it. There are several S&W models that fit this bill, fixed and adjustable sight - the 13, 19, 65, and 66. In the Ruger line, the 101 works. As a last point, if she's in the position of shooting around horses or carrying when she's riding, that's a whole 'nuther issue. We "gun broke" our horses a few years ago and it's not hard to do and a nice safety factor to have to know the horse won't spook and go rodeo on you.

burningsquirrels
February 22, 2009, 09:36 PM
let her pick....

revolver, maybe one that has both a 22lr and 22 mag cylinder would fit what she's interested in...

but i echo a couple others, a general-purpose 9mm may be the best way to go. i would also think that just the loud bang! would get their attention and maybe to run.

9mmepiphany
February 22, 2009, 10:06 PM
You can't throw a rock in a Thurston County gunshop without hitting a nice lesbian couple buying their first handgun (say, a high-cap 9mm) "for snakes".

lol...they're refering to the "Y" chromosone snakes

CZF
February 22, 2009, 11:23 PM
Have her try to rack the slide before she buys a auto.
Otherwise, a Ruger Sp-101 with +P or even magnums would
be ideal.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/vacation/k452.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/HighNoon357.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DT357-4.jpg

indoorsoccerfrea
February 22, 2009, 11:27 PM
if the OP's fiance does not like the noise or recoil, a 357 mag is the WRONG way to go. she likes less recoil. i would have her try several different calibers ranging from 22LR all the way up to 9mm. whether it is a revolver or auto is up to her tastes/likes.

Oro
February 22, 2009, 11:47 PM
if the OP's fiance does not like the noise or recoil, a 357 mag is the WRONG way to go.

Huh?

A .357 revolver is capable of reliably shooting rounds substantially lighter than a 9mm, and also substantially more powerful. Everything from .38 specials that go "pop" up to 200gr. hunting rounds in .357 from Double Tap/Buffalo Bore that will stomp almost anything on two or four legs in North America. It is one of the most versatile chamberings in a handgun around - one that starts light and a user can "grow" into with commercial ammo and without the requirement to reload for it.

Mr.510
February 23, 2009, 12:27 AM
I would suggest she try an XD 9mm compact. Any decent range should have one available to rent. If she's new to shooting and will be out with the horses by herself a high capacity sidearm may be a very good choice.... as it may take half a mag to hit or scare off what she's aiming at and loading a fresh mag is much easier than loading a revolver under stress. Also make sure she knows how these particular horses react to gunfire, we don't want her getting trampled! Make sure she can easily rack the slide, if her hands are wet or muddy it's going to be a whole lot more difficult. Of course, if there's one in the pipe (and there always should be!) she won't need to rack the slide, even if it runs dry, unless there's a malfunction. That's why I suggest the XD, they are about as reliable as anything, even after a mud bath. Keep a dab of grease on the mating face of the slide release and it will be much easier for a small thumb to chamber the first round of a fresh mag should she run it dry. If I could talk my wife into a CCW this is the direction I'd try to steer her. Of course I'd want her to think it was her idea.... :D

FullEffect1911
February 23, 2009, 08:32 AM
Let her pick. Odds are higher of her practicing with it if she picks it out and she likes it. Practice usually equates into proficiency and familiarity. Both of which are pretty darn important.

With that said you I think you can suggest caliber, for the recoil sensitive and people who like fast follow ups, a 9mm or .38 special are hard to beat.

Mr. Bojangles
February 23, 2009, 08:46 AM
My 115 lb spouse really likes her .38 spl. Not a lot to screw up with a revolver, and she won't have to attempt to manipulate a semiauto slide with sweaty and nervous hands. But as it has been mentioned many times, let her decide. After all, she is the boss.:D

Thomas Garrett
February 23, 2009, 08:58 AM
Hope your gunstore have a incorporated range. If not, find a range that has various rentals. Let her pick, try some out. Then go to the gunstore for "Her" purchase.

The Lone Haranguer
February 23, 2009, 09:13 AM
Unless it is rabid, there is very little danger to humans from four-legged coyotes. I fear the two-legged ones much more.

mbpautz762
February 23, 2009, 09:36 AM
the funny thing is, she has absolutely zero interest in protecting herself from humans! she never has - it's just her personality I guess. she tells me "that's why you're here!", and is the reason I carry a Glock 20 (for 2 and 4 legged predators). It's probably better this way though, because she's the kind of person who will pull out a gun, but would never actually shoot an intruder with it - I'd be more worried about her getting shot with her own gun. I'd love to get her a revolver so she doesn't have to worry as much about keeping up with it, but she doesn't like the way they look or feel. :(

I'll take her to a range we have closeby that will let her rent any gun she wants. it's good to know that even a 9mm will probably work though. I guess I didn't really understand how small coyotes actually were.

AirForceShooter
February 23, 2009, 10:13 AM
it's her pick. my 5"0" daughter has a 1911.

with women you never know.

AFS

oneounceload
February 23, 2009, 10:25 AM
If it is strictly for coyotes, a nice .22 will work......easy to shoot, easy to shoot a lot, and no major recoil. I can't imagine needing a cwp to carry a gun on your farm

JImbothefiveth
February 23, 2009, 10:55 AM
If it is strictly for coyotes, a nice .22 will work
I've never shot a coyote with a .22, but I hear from people that have shot them with a .22 magnum that it is very weak for that.

Matrix187
February 23, 2009, 11:22 AM
I've heard the same. The 22 mag will work if you pop them in the head, but it's not ideal for body shots. I would say a .38 spl, or 9mm minimum.

benderx4
February 23, 2009, 12:35 PM
Let her pick. I will say, however, from first hand experience with my wife and daughter, that if you end up with a snubby (38 special?), get the laser grips!!!! Otherwise, I doubt they'll be very accurate with it, they'll lose interest, and then they will stop shooting all together.

I would recommend a nice 9mm like a HK P30 - VERY soft shooting and not too big. Just right.

MT GUNNY
February 23, 2009, 12:39 PM
Here is somthing to think about,
Let Her Pick!!

.17 to .50 BMG will work on coyotes, Dont ask me how I know....

JWF III
February 23, 2009, 12:53 PM
As others have said, about anything from .22 rimfire up will take care of a coyote.

Now if the rumor of a rabid coyote in your area is true, that's the one I'd be worried about. Once there's one, more will come. For this I'd want something higher capacity, because even if you/she missed, a non-rabid would be scared off. Not so with a rabid animal. So I'd maybe go with something along the lines of a G19.

I'd rather have something between .22 magnum and .32 ACP (if it's truely coyotes she's worried about), but I have yet to see a high capacity SA in that caliber range.

Wyman

Roper1952
February 23, 2009, 08:36 PM
IMHO, it's not the caliber so much it's what fits her hands and what she can shoot well. I don't know what you have for gun ranges around you, but if you can, find one that let's you "rent" handguns and see what she's good at shooting.

Two good rounds in any 'yote will do the job...

Jaws
February 23, 2009, 09:13 PM
For a girl FN's Five Seven pistol in 5.7x28mm should do the trick.
Little to no recoil, 20 rounds mag, very acurate, powerful enough to shoot a coyote dead and is quite a light pistol.

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0129mb.png

Ken Rainey
February 23, 2009, 11:40 PM
My wife was always a revolver girl because she liked the simplicity of it, well one day I got her to pick up the Glock 17, 19, and 26 to see which fit her hand the best...she said she didn't like any of them but the 19 fit the best...went to the range and I let her start off with her revolver (.38 snub) and she did good, then I put the G19 in her hand (she was still complaining about it) and let her shoot it - Wow, she said, hitting the bullseye....a few more shots and now I can't take it away from her! .... my 4'11 daughter has a S&W 4 inch model 10 .38 special for her home protection firearm ... all this to say that either of those style handguns are easy to learn and manipulate and should do the job nicely ... ;)

slabuda
February 24, 2009, 09:01 PM
What about a revolver chambered in .17 hmr? At pistol ranges it should do for coyote.

Big Bill
February 24, 2009, 10:17 PM
She needs a 9mm. It will kill a coyote - no Problem. And, the ballistics are better than a .38 special.

There are a lot of guns to choose from, but have her take the CCW classs first. She'll make a better choice afterwards.

I personally think a Glock 19 would be a great choice for her.

usmc1371
February 25, 2009, 05:33 AM
Depending on where you live in the country coyotes will weigh any where from 25 pounds for a small one all the way up to 50 for what I would call a monster coyote. I have killed one with a ruger single six 22lr but it was luck i think. I have shot a few with a 22lr rifle and even with a good broadside shot it takes a few min for them to die and I don't stop shooting till they fall over.
That FN 5.7 actuly looks like a good way to go but I have never personaly shot one. I have herad that they are light in recoil

deanadell
February 25, 2009, 01:18 PM
I have an oposing opinion on the .22LR

In a "hunting" situation, where you are concealed, have time to pick and place your shot, at a close enough range, then yeah, maybe a .22 LR is enough.

As already stated in this thread, you're generally not going to have to worry about defending yourself from a healthy animal. Read about the attack on a young girl waiting on the school bus here in SC week before last. It changed my mind on slipping a .22 in my pocket for 4-legged critters on my evening walks.....

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902141061/1112?Title=Rabid_coyote_attacks_girl_waiting_for_school_bus

Hikingman
February 25, 2009, 01:25 PM
There's a question about how to protect the ears if pulling out the pistol on the spur of the moment? The .22 options are many, around here the Ruger Mk III and Browning Buckmarks are used in weekly competition, and could take a Ki-Yote? The 38 with hollow points has coyote stopping power, and the 357 would be a lot of recoil for small hands...

Big Bill
February 25, 2009, 07:47 PM
Buy her a Kahr PM9.

boxingRef_Rick
February 28, 2009, 06:35 AM
I second what Big Bill says, get her a Kahr CW9, or a PM9.
Both are easy to carry, and not to complicated to shoot.
A good first all around weapon for a beginner.
Cudo's to Raineys post also!

And man do I hate watching a salesman, scare a purchaser
away with all the bells, and whistles...

Gloves up!

Jed Carter
February 28, 2009, 08:23 AM
Whatever you two decide upon, make sure she can easily operate the slide. My wife enjoys shooting most of my pistols and revolvers, but she is tiny and some of my semi-auto pistols she cannot pull back the slide. For instance she cannot operate my SIG P226 but can easily use my Glock G17. As always let us know what you decide and please post PICTURES!

joe_security
February 28, 2009, 09:05 AM
Are you sure its rabid ? Our local vet says more likely K9 distemper is the cause of coyotes acting sluggish or disoriented. I would bet the revolver would be the way to go for the in-experienced shooter. You never know when the day will come when you need her to back you up against 2 legged dogs, the way society is going. If this is the case, Glock 19.

benderx4
February 28, 2009, 12:10 PM
Find a buddy with lots of guns (there are plenty of us out here), take her to the range, and shoot to her heart's delight. Rent the guns you don't own. My experience is been that they will ALWAYS gravitate to a specific gun. WHatever that is - that's the gun for her!!

woad_yurt
February 28, 2009, 12:25 PM
How about a Marlin 60 loaded with Velocitors? It's light, cheap and very easy to master. Everybody likes shooting my 60s, whether they're a newbie or not.

woodchuck315
February 28, 2009, 12:59 PM
If its just at the barn...

Why not an AR? Nothin like 40 rounds of .223 to stop a rabid pack of coyotes :D recoil is little.

handgun: 9mm should work, .357mag would be great as well, she can shoot soft .38 specials or full house .357mag loads. a double stack 9mm high cap would give her a little leeway, but practice is important too....and for coyote, alternate FMJ and JHP. sometimes, penetration is good...

psyopspec
February 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
www.corneredcat.com

I'm with the ones who say her gun = her choice.

jglcolosprgs
February 28, 2009, 01:22 PM
Well the horses aren't worried about the coyotes. If they pay any attention to them, it will be to run them off.

What got my wife's attention was when the coyote was looking in the sliding glass door at the "dog treats" on the inside..... So.... we tuned her up with the .22 rifle we kept in the closet and put a Browning Buckmark in the barn and she popped 5 of them.

If it's really coyotes she is worried about, a .22 is fine. It is also a great way to start teaching someone to shoot a pistol.

I can't get over how may guys I see buying a full size 1911 for "my wife, girlfriend, etc" and then cannot understand why she doesn't like to shoot it. Get her out and let her shoot a bunch of stuff and then let her pick. She has to buy into whatever you get.

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