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Weedy
February 22, 2009, 11:21 PM
Just joined up here...looking forward to posting!

My first post...which is a better defense round, .357 or .45 acp? I can't seem to find any threads on the topic :neener:

Ok, I suppose I'll spare you all the frustration...

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ChromeLibrarian
February 22, 2009, 11:47 PM
Oh, Lord! A topic that can start fights. I am a 45 ACP man. In truth, they are both good self-defense rounds. Both have pluses and minuses.

dave from mesa
February 22, 2009, 11:52 PM
Welcome.
I too am a 45 ACP fan but either is a good for self-defense. What ever floats you're boat.

Big Bill
February 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
.357 Mag - because it doesn't come out of the barrel of a 1911.

Weedy
February 23, 2009, 12:01 AM
Thanks guys, but I was just kidding about the .45-.357 thing! It's hard to convey sarcasm in writing sometimes I guess. I just read a thread that was from like 2005 on the topic before I posted, and people were still posting on it, so...

I have a .40 s&w myself. :D

MachIVshooter
February 23, 2009, 12:15 AM
I have a .40 s&w myself

Everyone knows that only a 10mm will dispatch a threat effectively using a bottom feeder. :evil:

Oh, and welcome aboard!

Mal H
February 23, 2009, 12:24 AM
Well, at least you didn't say "9mm vs 45 ACP", so you've got that going for you. :)

Welcome to THR!

Claude Clay
February 23, 2009, 12:29 AM
still go with a full size 1911.
but id be strongly decided towards a P239 in 357 also
less noise and penetration vrs more bullets in a lighter package. hmmmm.....

meBNme
February 23, 2009, 12:40 AM
Well, let me inform you of the absolute truth here.

The.45 APC round is the better of the two.

Why?

Because "I" like it, because "I" said so, and because Elvis died and made me king of the world right after he realized that the world revolves around me.

So to all who disagree, do not confuse me with the facts, I will agree to disagree with you because you have a right to be wrong.

OK...... now that I am awake..... ( I was having the coolest dream!!!)
I will put in my .02$ worth.

I do like the .45ACP best personally.
I've owned .38 .357 .357mag .357sig .40 .45ACP .22 .22mag and .32 handguns and I like the .45 the best for personal defense.

I liked the .357sig and .357magnum for their penetration in certain circumstances. But statistically, as a civilian, I have a much lower chance of needing to shoot through car doors, windshields, walls etc than I do of simply needing to shoot a potentially deadly criminal with nothing more than a thick jacket on.

The last thing I want is for that round to over penetrate and go through the target to strike an innocent person behind them or through a wall with the same result.

The .357magnum was designed as a hunting round if I am not mistaken, and the .357sig has almost identical velocities in many rounds.

With the standard .357 you have fewer over penetration issues than with the mag or sig, but a much smaller projectile than a .45

If I am forced to discharge a weapon at an attacker, I want the largest, safest, and most reliable round I can effectively shoot.


Effectively shoot being the most important of the four in my opinion.

If one can only effectively shoot a .22short then they are better off hitting the target with a .22short than they are missing the target with a .50 hand cannon.

However, modern technology mixed with high quality products has made large calibre handguns quite manageable in my opinion.

My wife is 5ft 1" with very small hands.
She carries a H&K USP .40 and shoots it VERY well.
The gun is completely stock with no mods and she can shoot 200 rounds through it one handed with little to no wrist fatigue, and stay on target to the last shot.

That's far more than enough for any "on the street" self defense situation.

I carry a .45 ACP.
My last carry gun was a Glock 33 in .357sig. In test fires it went through a car door, glass (window rolled down) and a leather jacket wrapped around a pumpkin, and on into the door panel on the passenger side. When fired at the kevlar insert for a LE grade vest, two rounds stuck through the other side and the third went all the way through to put a dent in a metal canister behind it.

The .45 went through the car door, the jacket and partially into the pumpkin. It also only wet 1/2 of the way through the Kevlar.

When both rounds were fired directly into a bare pumpkin the .357sig left an exit hole about the same size as the entry hole. and through a 1/2 inch sheet of plywood behind it.
The .45 blew out half the back of the pumpkin and lay on the table after striking the plywood with just enough force to tell where it hit.

Now, since I won't be firing at cops wearing Kevlar, and chances are I will never have the need to shoot through cars to hit an attacker, I personally believe that the over penetration issue is to much risk.
Especially when the .45 seems to do the job nicely and is a proven man stopper.

(Yes, I know that my unscientific tests and the use of pumpkins certainly do not even pretend to be as reliable as ballistic gelatin or actual shooting statistical data, but it gave me a reference point to begin with for my own satisfaction of what to carry, and rely on. Besides, I'm not Massad Ayoob. I'm just "me-BN-me" relating my personal unscientific, backwoods, caveman grade tests.)

meBNme
February 23, 2009, 12:44 AM
Oh dang...............

While I was typing that, y'all made the other responses. Specifically the one stating that the original post was in jest.

I'm new here too, this is just my 4th post and third day knowing the forum existed.
I had no idea that the post was not a serious question. Sorry.

dave from mesa
February 23, 2009, 12:50 AM
Elvis is dead???????

meBNme
February 23, 2009, 12:51 AM
SSSHHHH!!
Thats what he asked me to tell everyone when he gave me the crown.....

ThrottleJockey
February 23, 2009, 12:59 AM
I think you are all wrong, but I will defend to the death, your right to be so.....

JohnnyOrygun
February 23, 2009, 01:01 AM
12 Ga Pump Shotgun, just rack it and they will soil their diapers!

Welcome to THR!

I have both 357 and 45, I suspect either will ruin a bad guys day/plans... but then again, they already soiled their pants when they heard the ring tone on my cell phone... Shotgun racking, makes a great ring tone :-)

JohnnyOrygun

BHP FAN
February 23, 2009, 01:02 AM
I like the .45acp...from my 1917 S&W...

Nathanael_Greene
February 23, 2009, 11:22 AM
...which is a better defense round, .357 or .45 acp?

Yes.

P.S. Welcome to THR.

BBQLS1
February 23, 2009, 01:41 PM
.45 ACP or .357 Mag? My two favorite SD rounds!

But......

.45 ACP wins because it's what came in the 1911! :D

hso
February 23, 2009, 01:43 PM
12 Ga Pump Shotgun, just rack it and they will soil their diapers!

Now why would you have to defend yourself from an 8 month old (or 180 year old)?

Oldgundog
February 23, 2009, 01:53 PM
I always like my .45's (I have 2 of them). I can't argue with history. I do have a .357, but just don't shoot it as much as my .45's. Got a 12 ga. next to the bed and Yes it does bring fear out of the fearless when it goes into battery. Does anyone have info on oiling and greasing an M1 Garand? I've looked all over the web, but only find how to field strip it.

JWF III
February 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
Well seeing as there are very few revolvers chambered in .45 ACP, and even fewer semi-autos chambered in .357 mag. It should come down to what platform you want to carry. Both will do the job equally well.

Wyman

sturmgewehr667
February 23, 2009, 03:53 PM
though i am a huge 1911 fan, the .357 has much more stopping power and is considered one of the best if not the best self defense round available

zombienerd
February 23, 2009, 04:13 PM
I'll go with .22 short :D

sturmgewehr667
February 23, 2009, 04:15 PM
lol, how about 22 cb

gvnwst
February 23, 2009, 05:12 PM
Now why would you have to defend yourself from an 8 month old (or 180 year old)?


Great one HSO:D:D:D

I would go with.....a 10mm auto. Don't like 1911s, or revolvers! (yes, i have seen a doctor about this, do not fret) Just need to get those new XDms in 10mm.....

walker944
February 23, 2009, 05:23 PM
...which is a better defense round, .357 or .45 acp?

Those are way too big for me. I prefer my little single shot Butler .22 short. :neener:

Lightninstrike
February 23, 2009, 06:49 PM
The.45 APC round is the better of the two.

Is that the famous Armored Personnel Carrier round? Fires an armored vehicle fully-loaded with a squad of Marines?

:neener::neener:

Weedy
February 23, 2009, 07:02 PM
I think I gotta get me that "Shotgun racking" ringtone now.

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