savage/anschutz Mark 12


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pepperbelly
February 24, 2009, 12:21 AM
I have been thinking about getting a target .22 rifle for informal match shooting and practice/fun shooting.
I collect C&R rifles and shoot the Swede and Swiss rifle in vintage rifle matches, but have never had a good .22 rifle.
I found a savage/anschutz Mark 12 and a Mark 10B Savage-Anschutz that comes with a scope. Both are about $400.00 although the Mark 12 is local- no shipping or transfer fees.

What is the difference between these 2 rifles?
Would one make a better rifle for my shooting?
I do not expect olympic class accuracy, since I am not capable of that level, but do want as much accuracy as I can get.

Anyone have any opinions?

Jim

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pepperbelly
February 24, 2009, 02:25 AM
I saw that Sarco has Anshutz model 54 and model 64 .22 rifles for sale for the same price as the other rifles I am looking at.

Which rifle would be the best choice or are they all equilavent?

Jim

Red Tornado
February 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
I don't know much about Annie's I usually just assume that they're all swell.

However, since you're into milsurps, you might consider a US Remington 513T. They're accurate and would fit with your idiom. The US Mossberg trainers would also work, but I think the Rem's are more accurate. I'm just saying...

Anyway, check the Anschutz forum at RFC for all the intricate differences and subtleties.
RT

Bill B.
February 24, 2009, 11:46 AM
Which rifle would be the best choice or are they all equilavent?


The Anschutz 54 is the top of the line Annie .22 period. It's the best action but may or may not shoot better than an Anschutz 64. I like the Annie sporters with the 64 action because they are lighter and they shoot very well for a general woods gun and some target. If I was looking for only target I would try and get an Annie with a 54 action. The last one of those I had weighed in at 11 lbs. with scope and rings so it limits what you can do with it.

9mmepiphany
February 25, 2009, 01:00 AM
the Anschutz 54 is a superior action to the 64...the 54 is a more overbuilt action than the 64

the 54 is the basis of their Olympic rifles and is the best action they can produce. the 64 is built to a price point, as an entry level Anschutz.

rangerruck
February 25, 2009, 05:13 AM
there is no choice here, get the savage, which is an Annie, with the scope. If the scope is even half a!@#$s, and can run with the rifle, then that is a good deal.

rangerruck
February 25, 2009, 05:15 AM
red tornado is right about the trainers though, they are exceptionally accurate as well, though the will be big and beefy, don't forget about old winny and kimber trainers as well. I think CMP has some good kimbers for sale right now...

pepperbelly
February 25, 2009, 07:32 PM
The Anschutz model 54 was gone by the time I called this morning.
I have been considering another option. A local shop has 2 CZ American rifles for about $600.00. Most of the matches I will shoot will be sillouette, so that might be a better choice.

Jim

Daizee
February 25, 2009, 07:50 PM
$600 for the CZ American's????
wow, they must be charging for the name.

The 452 Lux's go around here for the high $300's, and they have *awesome* iron sights with a grooved receiver for a scope.
Those things shoot like a magic wand without a scope, I tell ya. Great great guns. For steel sillouette, one of those in .22WMR... yowza. For paper, .22LR.

Of course those aren't competition rifles like the Anschutz's. I used to shoot 54 actions 6 days a week... Oh man, I wish I had my own. They are fantastic. Alas...

-Daizee

9mmepiphany
February 25, 2009, 07:54 PM
i thought he meant both for $600.

i paid $278 for my CZ 452 American from CDNN

pepperbelly
February 25, 2009, 08:07 PM
I just looked up the prices on a couple of auction sites and some other dealers. That price, which was for one, is way too high. Around $460.00 is more like it and some were less.

Are they accurate?

Jim

Daizee
February 25, 2009, 08:20 PM
They are dead-nuts accurate. Glorious barrels, nice reliable actions.
The best value in a production .22 rifle, IMO, especially the Lux with those iron sights - best irons on a modern production rifle I've seen in years. You'd pay $100 for 'em from brownells if they sold 'em.

Go over to rimfirecentral.com and see what people are saying about 'em.


-Daizee

pepperbelly
February 25, 2009, 10:28 PM
Would $350.00 for the Anschutz Match 64 be too good to pass up?

Jim

proplinker
February 25, 2009, 11:46 PM
My vote is the mark 10B Savage Anschutz it should be the older of the two I have never seen one. But have been told many times they are as good as the 54. They were made in Germany For Savage $375 with scope is a steal.

Bill B.
February 26, 2009, 10:27 AM
Would $350.00 for the Anschutz Match 64 be too good to pass up?


As on any gun condition is everything. I have a Annie 64 match that I bought for $290.00 in nice shape. I see them all the time on GB in about the same shape for $450- $600.00. Take your time and don't bite at the first one you see just because it's an Anschutz. If possible shoot one that someone else has before you purchase. By the way a Anschutz 64 Sporter just sold on GB last week for around $380.00. I personally would prefer a 64 sporter for all around use. They are accurate for target, repeaters - 5 shot clip, light enough to hunt with; the best of both worlds IMO.

beatcop
February 26, 2009, 11:33 AM
The MK12 is nice, but a little on the lower end. The bolt dia is a little small, so it's not as "nice" as the bigger Anschutz versions...ratchety. The finish on the stock is a kind of lacquer that chips off to reveal a light colored wood...the hand stop rail is sheetmetal and the stop is a chunk of plastic, if I recall & the barrel is not free floated.. front sling swivel is cheap. It will serve as a decent entry level gun for 50ft, but a straight Anshcutz is probably a better investment. Decent single stage trigger that has a little adj to it...front sight not assy isn't removable, but you can swap the inserts.

I'd roll with something better if you're going to drop $400 plus. If the guy says $250...maybe..just my .02.

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