[tiberius]

I can buy this: http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/166241
(A Ruger Old Army .45 caliber cap & ball revolver)

And this: http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/123201
(An R&D replacement cylinder that allows the Ruger Old Army .45 caliber cap & ball revolver to shoot .45 Colt center fire ammunition)

legally through the mail with no questions asked,

But if someone were to sell me through the mail under the same conditions: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=550&return=Y
(A Ruger .45 Colt Vaquero),

we would both be committing a felony? They are essentially (at least in capabilities) the same gun, am I missing something here or are our gun laws absurd?

Yes, I do know the answer to the above question.


edit: added an "s"

Edited 2: Do understand that by "absurd" I mean that the RESTRICTIONS are absurd. Just don't want any confusion here :)

[Dorian]

:barf:

[C.R.Sam]

Yes

[Bowlcut]

but see thats totaly logical....

you could be a stark raving mad man with plans to make illegal guns from parts and kill babbies in north hollywood while wearing body armor and removing the grenade launcher from your yugo sks.....

just think of all the perill the USofA would be in if you were allowed to do such things leagly like buy a gun without jumping though loopholes....

[rayra]

tiberius - shhhhhhh. You'll wreck it. ;)

[Standing Wolf]

...am I missing something here or are our gun laws absurd?

I just reread the Second Amendment, and didn't see anything about all that in it. Mighty peculiar!

[Glockster35]

Or for $435, you could get a kit which includes the new cylinder and the gun.

Uberti 1861 Navy Steel Frame Blackpowder Revolver 36 Caliber 7-1/2" Barrel Blue with R & D Drop-In Conversion Cylinder 38 Colt (Long Colt) Blue (http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/171561)

Different model, but I wanted to show something different.

This is a really good deal, if you are into these singlke action type firearms.

[son of a gun]

http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/derringer.gif

[DMK]

I've always wanted an 1851 Navy copy. Is there any major drawbacks to those conversion cylinders? That looks too good to be true.

[chaim]

On a related note, I've long thought about doing this...getting the blackpowder Colt 1851 Navy replica and .38Colt conversion cylinder, 1858 Remington New Navy replica and .38spl cylinder and/or 1858 Remington New Army replica and .45LC cylinder. Not so much to get around any laws but because I think they are kind of neat and because I like the style of these guns. I do wonder however, can one shoot regular .38LC, .38spl and .45LC ammo out of them (Cowboy loads, and weaker target loads of course) or does one need to stick with blackpowder cartridges?

[Tamara]

Won't somebody please think of the children?

[Smoke]

Now why did you go and post that? You made me want another gun:banghead:

[Ian]

From what I've read, you can use full-house loads in them, even the .45 LCs. I'd be a bit hesitant to do it myself, but that's wehat the cylinder manufacturers claim.

[Dave T]

that's wehat the cylinder manufacturers claim.


Remember, they are talking about their cylinders not the guns they will go in, which they didn't manufacture. In the case of the Ruger, it's probably perfectly safe - Ruger has never built a weak firearm. In the case of the Italian copies of the open top Colt percussions, you may be at some risk. Consider, the Colt design was intended to contain pressures of no more than 10,000 psi. Standard 38 Special loads start at something like 18,000 psi. As sure as God made green apples, some nit-wit is going to try +P 38s in one of these. At the very lease the barrel/frame alignment is going to get stretched. At the worst you could be holding a bomb.

Don't worry - as soon as some idiot in Washington hears about this it will be outlawed. For the children of course!

[son of a gun]

Tamara
Won't somebody please think of the children?


That's what I posted the vest pocket 32 derringer with 22lr insert for.:neener:

[chaim]

In the case of the Italian copies of the open top Colt percussions, you may be at some risk. Consider, the Colt design was intended to contain pressures of no more than 10,000 psi. Standard 38 Special loads start at something like 18,000 psi. As sure as God made green apples, some nit-wit is going to try +P 38s in one of these. Actually, the .38 cylinders for the open top Colt 1851 clones are in .38S&W which is much weaker than .38spl. There was a Remington 1858 New Navy clone on the site with the closed top strap (just like the New Army) that will take a .38spl cylinder. I also wonder how powerful a .45lc the Remington New Army clones can take. I do reload for revolver now so if I can at least download a .38 or .45lc smokeless powder load it will be very tempting- if I must use blackpowder I'm not as sure (only one local indoor range allows blackpowder and substitutes).

[Justin]

Won't somebody please think of the children? No.
They can darn well learn to think for themselves.