I have been lurking for a while and thought it was about time to join up. I picked up a Winchester 94ae 30-30 Ranger pre-saftey made around 1990 new with no box and I was going to order a Williams 5D peep sight for it, It has a dovetail front sight without a ramp and the dovetail sight that is installed is .500 from the top of the barrel. My question is do I have to replace the front sight? I was told no from a co-worker that the half inch sight was ok. what do you guys think?
Thanks and glad to be here.. Zepo :D
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February 25, 2009, 09:53 PM
I think you will be OK. I would try it first and see how it shoots. I would bet it will be just about right.
February 25, 2009, 11:04 PM
Thanks EVCMATT for the info I'll give it a try, can't find too much info on sight height.
February 25, 2009, 11:10 PM
Usually when a receiver sight is added a taller front sight is needed, but you won't know until you shoot it.
February 26, 2009, 12:09 AM
I installed a FoolProof on mine and it turned out fine. I had written Williams and they assured me that the stock front sight could stay. But, as others have opined, there's no substitute for downrange verification.
February 26, 2009, 12:32 AM
Here's some pretty good front sight info. the sight is not for your Winny, but the info is good:
Hope this helps,
February 26, 2009, 01:06 AM
I put a Lyman peep on my '94. best thing I could have done. I didn't have to change the front sight...worked just fine. I really like peeps...three of my rifles have them.
February 26, 2009, 03:06 AM
I put a One Ragged Hole peep on a Winchester '94 and the front sight worked fine with this peep sight. It does not mount at the rear of the rifle though. It just replaces the factory rear sight blade. Take a look.
:D Thanks for the great advice guys......... I'm gonna go with the 5-D and start blasting......This is my first lever and I can't wait to get it sighted in and do a little boar hunting this year.
February 26, 2009, 11:23 AM
I have another question about cleaning from the muzzle. Is it really that easy to damage the crown? how do you guys clean your winchesters?
February 26, 2009, 02:25 PM
Yes it is.
But not so much a one-time ding to the crown, but cleaning rod wear to about the first 1 1/2" of muzzle rifling.
Many very old Winchesters are found with all the rifling worn out of the muzzle. They will key-hole bullets and won't shoot accurately no matter what you do. It was more an issue with the soft steel barrels used a 100 years ago then it is with modern steels. However it is still possible to some extent.
What you need is a one-piece cleaning rod with a tapered muzzle guide, like this.
You can also use a Bore-Snake from the rear for light-duty cleaning & oiling, but a good cleaning rod is absolutely necessary for proper cleaning of copper fouling, etc.
February 26, 2009, 03:35 PM
I have a winchester and a marlin and have used a 5D sight on both and didn't need a different front sight. The factory sight was fine.
You can also make a muzzle protector from a bottle necked rifle case. I used a 223 and cut it about 3/4" from the shoulder. Slip it over the cleaning rod and insert the neck in the muzzle and clean away.
Fast, easy and best of all free!!!
Cocked & Locked
February 26, 2009, 06:21 PM
I put a Williams FP on one of mine. I changed the front sight to a Lyman gold bead...didn't need to, just wanted to.