Interarms PPK/S...when was it manufactured?


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jdkami
February 26, 2009, 11:14 AM
I have a beautiful Interarms-built Walther PPk/s with a serial number S025XXX, and would like to know when it was manufactured. Does anyone have any ideas about the date?

And while I have the opportunity, I would like to say: What on earth led S & W to believe that they could "Improve" on a design as (pardon the pun) bulletproof as the Carl Walther PP, PPK, PPK/S? A "Walther", subject to a safety re-call? Never would have happened in the days of the real Walther's manufacture.

Years ago S & W made some good quality revolvers, and in the case of the old model 39 and 59, some decent semi-autos as well. My personal experience with S & W leads me to give the following advice. Don't bother with the S&W, buy a High-Point and bank the difference. You will be much happier with the fit, finish, and accuracy, and for the money saved you can buy a lot of ammo with which to practice. But if you are determined to buy for bragging rights, any of the big name manufacturers will provide a product with better accuracy, quality, and reliability.

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putteral
February 26, 2009, 11:56 AM
Mine begins with S030 and I got it new in the Mid 70's if that helps any.

jdkami
February 26, 2009, 04:02 PM
Yes, that does help a lot. Thanks Much

searcher451
February 27, 2009, 07:16 PM
What you've just done is the best that you can do: check the date on the test target, if you are lucky enough to have one with your gun, or fish around for folks who do have one and then compare your serial number to theirs. Interarms was notorious for not releasing their records -- if, in fact, they bothered to keep any records at all. :mad:

MICHAEL T
February 28, 2009, 01:24 AM
Their are no records I know of for the Interarms series of PPK/S . I have tried several times and always a dead end. I agree that S&W is destroying the pistol and the Walthers name with that terrible made now recalled pistol. I did try to buy every Interarms I could find that were priced within reason . Trouble is like the German made the Interarms are going up and being held on to . Thanks to S&W

searcher451
February 28, 2009, 01:11 PM
Michael T: There's no question that S&W-made PPK has been a huge disappointment for all fans of the model. Why they haven't gotten to the bottom of the problem(s) and repaired it once and for all, despite several consecutive years of returned guns and angry customers and flamed internet rants, is a mystery known only to those who live and work in Maine.

On the other hand, not all S&W-made PPKs are paperweights. Mine hasn't missed a beat yet, and I've owned it and shot it regularly for three years running; I also use it for daily carry and trust my life to it and won't leave home without it.

usp9
February 28, 2009, 01:46 PM
My Interarms PPK/S is a 1982 production I believe, serial number S576XX. One more piece in the puzzle.

jdkami
February 28, 2009, 04:50 PM
Thanks to all who have responded to my inquiry.

As for S&W screwing up a once beautiful design, all I can say is that there are always those who feel that they can improve on perfection. If S&W was at all interested in fixing their mistakes, all they would have to do is go back to the original drawings, and the processes of manufacture that Walther sold them when they bought the rights to manufacture, and build it the way Walther intended.

Just recently I had the opportunity to shoot a S&W cobbled-up PPK. With the first gritty cycle of the slide, I cringed. The gun I fired is owned by a friend who takes meticulous care of his firearms...the gritty feeling wasn't from dirt, but rather from the high school shop class level of machining of the slide and frame. The pistol chambered & ejected reliably enough, but the accuracy at 7 yards was a total disappointment. I have several PP variants in .32 ACP and .380, of French, German, and US manufacture. All are capable of very accurate delivery, except for the S&W. It might be psychological on my part that I can't shoot it as well as all the others. I admit to a nagging doubt in the back of my mind that it may just blow up in my face.

MICHAEL T
March 1, 2009, 12:07 AM
Mine begins with S030 and I got it new in the Mid 70's if that helps any.
Helps me a little mine is S018XXX I bought used years ago Have no idea how many rounds fired before I bought But I replaced the recoil and hammer spring couple years back Figured it earned it from just what I fired . Was my main carry for a long time. Still sees some carry.

gbelleh
March 1, 2009, 12:13 AM
My Interarms PPK/S is serial # 0086xx. I don't have any idea when it was made. It seems everyone else has an S prefix in their serial number. ?

PRM
March 1, 2009, 12:24 AM
Years ago S & W made some good quality revolvers, and in the case of the old model 39 and 59, some decent semi-autos - jdkami

Totally agree with you on the European Walthers - they are in a class of their own.

Also, agree on your statements about the S&W revolvers - time tested and classic.

They (S&W) have/had some good semi-autos - still do, but I can't agree on the early model 59s, I had one that almost made me swear off of semi(s). Only gun I ever had that was more undependable was an early model Sigma. It would have made a descent trot line sinker.

Their model 39(s), .45(s) and even their Walthers have some good reports. In the Walther line, I personally prefer the older Walther PP in .32, to other models. Just me!!! The 8+1 (9 shot) capability makes a nice concealable package.

blkbrd666
March 1, 2009, 12:48 AM
I have one with the S on the end of the serial number...but it's a PPK/S .22 (134xxxS). It was manufactured in 1978.

Look on the right side of the gun for a 2 character alphabetic code next to the crown over N and the stag horn...assuming it was manufactured in Ulm. Mine is an HI which translates to 78 based on the code below:

A=0
B=1
C=2
D=3
E=4
F=5
G=6
H=7
I=8
K=9

If it's one of the manufactured in the USA under license of Walther, the date code probably won't be there. In that case, the paper target is sometimes dated.

Edit: Out of curiosity, how about everyone post back with their caliber and manufacture date?

Nate1778
May 26, 2009, 11:42 AM
Hey Guys, just stumbled on the thread here, I have one (.380) but would have to check the serial numbers on it.


Side Question, any of you guys having feed problems? Mine used to shoot really reliable, now I can't go two shots without a jam. Tried all sorts of ammo, doesn't make a difference, tried both mags same results. Anybody got any ideas.

scotthsi
August 9, 2009, 02:33 PM
My Interarms PPK/S is serial # 0086xx. I don't have any idea when it was made. It seems everyone else has an S prefix in their serial number. ?

I've always wondered about my Interarms PPK/S, too. My serial is 00331xx. No "S" in front, either. Maybe the first "number" is really the letter "O". If so, that would mean it's even older than the "S" series and one poster said he bought his "S" PPK/S new in the mid 70s. I bought mine used in 1994 and it's been a fantastic pistol. Still has the original very nice deep bluing and I've never had to replace anything on the pistol itself. Nate1778, I did start having some malfunctions with the very old magazines, which worked for a long time for me. They were so bad that the feed lips and magazine catch cut-out were chewed up. I ordered some new Walther mags and everything was fine again. They were shiny metal (stainless?) and not blued like the ones that came with the PPK/S. All were flush bottomed, too.

As for markings, on the left side of the slide is the Walther "ribbon" and "Made in the USA" right beneath it on the muzzle end. Then, a bit further back, it has from top to bottom... "under license of" then "Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do" and finally at the bottom, "Modell PPK/S Cal.9mm kurz /.380ACP". On the right side of the slide it has, "INTERARMS" and below it, "Alexandria, Virginia". The serial number is directly below the ejection port and the chamber has a "VA" stamped right at the bottom. The letters are so close they almost overlap. Can anyone make sense of these markings as to what they mean and/or when it was manufactured? Did the Germans actually produce them in the states? If so, I'm wondering if I have one because mine seems to be pretty old.

But, alas, my elegant PPK/S never sees carry duty anymore since I have two completely reliable Kel-Tec P3ATs which are MUCH smaller and thinner overall and WAY lighter. Carries the exact same firepower with +1 mag extensions, too. A lot less cumbersome in the front pocket.

gbelleh
August 9, 2009, 03:51 PM
I have all the same markings on my Interarms PPK/S, but a 6 digit serial number including the first 2 zeros (which definitely look like numbers). No prefix.

My PPK/S is beautiful, but has unfortunately been very unreliable, so it's always been a safe queen. I did recently get new magazine and recoil springs for it, but haven't tested it yet. Gotta get it to the range (once I find some .380 ammo).

MN_Swede
August 9, 2009, 07:56 PM
Gentlemen,
If any of you have a dated test target or original dated purchase receipt, and would be willing to post that info and a serial number I will add it to my meager list. Here's what I have so far that I believe may be correct:

Interarms (Ranger) manufactured Walther pistols; PPK, PPK/S and TPH
Serial number letter prefixes:
PPK stainless .380 A
PPK blue .380 K
PPK stainless .32 B
PPK/S stainless .380 S
PPK/S blue .380 no letter prefix
PPK/S stainless .32 W
TPH stainless .22 LR T
TPH blue .22 LR H
TPH blue .25 G


Model Finish Caliber Serial Test target date

PPK blue .380 K000562 11/5/1986
PPK blue .380 K003641 10/24/1987
PPK blue .380 K014121 12/13/1994

PPK stainless .32 B005339 8/14/1998

PPK stainless .380 A043149 11/7/1989
PPK stainless .380 A0509xx 1990 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A058xxx 6/19/1991
PPK stainless .380 A067365 1993 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A068995 7/28/1993
PPK stainless .380 A079617 2/2/1995

PPK/S stainless .380 S101380 2/25/1993
PPK/S stainless .380 S1598xx 6/24/1999

PPK/S stainless .32 W0058xx 8/5/1998

PPK/S blue .380 000895 1978
PPK/S blue .380 035118 1/28/1983

TPH blue .25 ACP G00035x 10/12/1998

TPH stainless .22 LR T030630 5/3/1996

gbelleh
August 9, 2009, 10:09 PM
Thanks for that info.
I don't have any box or papers with my PPK/S, but according to your list, that would date mine around 1979 or so (no prefix serial # 0086xx). I didn't know it was that old.

denfoote
August 11, 2009, 02:30 AM
The serial number of my PPK/S is XXXXAAA and it's stamped Walther USA LLC, Springfield Mass.

There's no way to be sure, but I think it was made by Smith from left over Interarms parts or was a finished gun , but not stamped, when Interarms ended it's corporate lifetime. I think that Walther USA was a holding company set up by Smith to dispose of the left over Interarms inventory.

If the serial number is tied to the Walther date code system, then it would have been made in 2000, which is plausible because I got it in 2001.

I've had no problems with it over the years

MN_Swede
August 12, 2009, 11:15 PM
Denfoote,
There aren't too many of the Walther USA LLC guns around. The few I've seen were all stainles PPK's and had the "AAA" serial number suffix.
You're info is essentially the same as what I understand to be true about the interim guns made between the failure of Interarms in 1998 and the beginning of production under license of the PPK and PPK/S in 2001 by Smith & Wesson.
If yours would happen to be other than a PPK stainless, please let me know what it is?
Thanks,
Craig

denfoote
August 13, 2009, 03:47 AM
Denfoote,
There aren't too many of the Walther USA LLC guns around. The few I've seen were all stainles PPK's and had the "AAA" serial number suffix.
You're info is essentially the same as what I understand to be true about the interim guns made between the failure of Interarms in 1998 and the beginning of production under license of the PPK and PPK/S in 2001 by Smith & Wesson.
If yours would happen to be other than a PPK stainless, please let me know what it is?
Thanks,
Craig

http://usera.ImageCave.com/denfoote/NewPPKGrips001small.jpg

PPK/S 9mm Kurz

Interarms didn't fail, the owner died and the family liquidated the company.

GaryP
August 13, 2009, 03:03 PM
I purchased my Interarms manufactured Walther SS PPK/s .32acp NIB in December, 1998 - W0052xx. My son and I have put several thousand rounds down range over the last eleven years without any issues. Great little pistol. :) Don't know about the S&W versions.


:evil:

TheNev
August 13, 2009, 03:26 PM
Just wanted to step in and defend my PPK/s.

Mine is S&W made, bought last year. It has been flawless, specifically bought it for my CCW, and I wouldn't hesitate to carry it. Other than that recall (which seems like a CYA action to me), I have no reason not to trust it.

RobertK
August 26, 2009, 05:15 PM
PPK stainless .380 A043149 11/7/1989
PPK stainless .380 A0509xx 1990 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A058xxx 6/19/1991
PPK stainless .380 A067365 1993 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A068995 7/28/1993
PPK stainless .380 A079617 2/2/1995

PPK/S stainless .380 S101380 2/25/1993
PPK/S stainless .380 S1598xx 6/24/1999


YOU CAN ADD MINE TO THE LIST
PPK/S stainless .380 S0176xx mid 1970's

joe thompson
December 4, 2009, 04:05 PM
test rarget for my ppk stainless is 8-31-98

HisSoldier
December 4, 2009, 10:10 PM
My test target is 1994, it hasn't been shot since the test.

kriton
January 3, 2010, 10:25 PM
My PPK/s stainless is S0347xx and the test target is 11--7- ..... arrrggghh!!!!!!!!!!

However, I know for sure it was sold as new prior to 1993

dutchie
January 24, 2010, 12:20 AM
First of all Interarms themselves never made the PPK/S. Interarms had a license from Walther Germany and the PPK/S was made by Mid-South Industries in Gadsden, Alabama for Interarms. (See page 110 of the great coffee-table book "Walther, A German Legend" by Manfred Kersten). My "Interarms" PPK/S s/n S158845 was test fired on February 18, 1999. Great gun, never gave me a problem.

buttrap
January 24, 2010, 12:34 AM
One that always drove me nuts is I picked up one in the PPK/s version with a PP barrel of all things. Got a good deal on it so that was OK plus it was a easy fix.

0508
February 5, 2010, 06:35 PM
Hi guys,
New member and 1st post after a search for SN's for the PPK.

I bought my .380 PPK in 1989 from the estate of a LEO. Its an Interarms. Stamped (with the usual stampings)left side: "Made in W. Germany", Ulm/Do. marking, Right side: Eagle or crest over N on slide and frame, IA near the stag horn (1980?) SN 243XXX on slide and 243XXXXA on frame.

It's in the original plastic box with the inst manual, Interarms warranty and proof target with SN but no date. Never a misfire, ftf or fte. Carried as back up for about 5 years.

Picture to follow...

searcher451
February 6, 2010, 11:41 AM
The Walther Forums has had a running thread on this topic for a while now; it might help some folks here who are trying to find a ballpark date for their own gun. You can find it here:

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10755

spencerdax
February 11, 2010, 11:39 PM
I've been trying to track down the date mine was made. My test target states 6/10 and that's it. While tracking it down, I found someone with a serial number within 100 numbers of mine. A0586XX. They stated their test target date was May 1991. I noticed, that stamped on the original case, underneath the second mag mold, is a stamp that says "4/91" Is that a coincidence? Or could that be a production-date stamp? Of course, that would just mean the production of the case, but I would imagine they correlate fairly closely to the gun production date.

MaxStravinsky
February 12, 2010, 06:57 PM
I just bought a used PPK/S today with a serial # starting with S038.... I didn't get a test target or any original paperwork with it.

From what I've read so far, I'm guessing it was made sometime between the mid 70's and 1990? It looks like it was NEVER fired! Even the guy in the shop thought it looked unfired. Kind of makes me want to keep it that way. What do you guys think?

searcher451
February 13, 2010, 12:46 PM
If you stored your gun for a hundred years or so, Max, keeping it in pristine condition all the while, you'd have something. Trouble is, you'd have to live for another hundred years. Good luck with that.

The Interarms model PPK is a fine pistol, designed to be fired and used. You can't hurt it by firing it, and you can't do much to its overall finish even if you carry it concealed for personal protection. My advice is to hammer away with it and have some fun; the Interarms folks made dandy little pistols.

When you find yourself a pristine German-made PPK that is NIB, that's the one to tuck away in the safe for the next hundred years or so. :)

popeye
February 17, 2010, 10:09 PM
I was searching the net tonight for PPK info, and ran across this thread. Reason being I bought a PPK made in '66 today. It's .32 and I've never seen another PPK for sale in this caliber. I have looked for a least 10 years for an Interarms stainless PPK in .32. The only .32's I've seen are the PPK/S. This gun must have been imported just before the '68 gun act. I paid $475 for it (seems a little high) and the gun is about 95%. Sorry for the "thread hijack" but what's the current pricing on these guns, as in used.

searcher451
February 18, 2010, 02:04 PM
The easy answer: Likely in the $500 to $595 range.

But as always, the value of your PPK depends greatly on who might want to buy it from you and how much that person would be willing to pay. As you correctly point out, you don't see many of them advertised, which greatly increases the want-it value. But you still have to find someone who really wants it. The last time I saw one for sale, and it was three or four years ago, it was listed for $650 and lingered for a time at that price. It eventually sold, but who knows for how much?

entropynick
May 14, 2010, 03:12 PM
Hi guys, I'm new to this forum. Just bought an Interarms PPK/S and found this thread when trying to find a date on my gun. I have some information that may be helpful to you all. My gun came with its original case and underneath the foam that the gun sits in was the original receipt from the gun's first owner.
My Interarms PPK/s (stainless steel) was purchased NEW on 4/25/1987. Serial # S039XXX. Hope this helps.

gearhead
May 14, 2010, 03:23 PM
Just to muddy the waters a bit further, back in the mid ‘90’s I worked for Mid-South Industries, the parent company of Ranger Manufacturing which did the actual fabrication and assembly of the Walther PPK/S for Interarms at the time. An employee or anyone who wanted to make a special order could get a Walther pistol made with any serial number that was legal, such as a sentimental date or alphanumeric string that had some personal meaning. I’m sure that “custom” serial numbers on Interarms Walthers are rare but not unheard of.

katnip
May 17, 2010, 09:13 PM
I just inherited a Walther this week. I am wondering about it... year made, value.... On the Left side close to the front it has the Walther banner and " made in the USA". In the middle, in 3 lines, it has (1st line) Under license of,
(2nd line) Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do, (3rd line) Modell PPK/S Cal 9mm kurz/.380 ACP. On the Right side, close to the front, it has INTERARMS (1st line), Alexandria, Virginia (2nd line), then the serial # S014XXX is in two places, just above the trigger and just behind the trigger. It appears to be stainless to me, with black cross hatch grips on the handle. Any information would be appreciated.

searcher451
May 17, 2010, 10:27 PM
The same rules apply: No known source of Interarms-made pistols exists.

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10755

The best you can do is to compare your serial number to reported guns with known dates based on original sales slips or test target dates. You might get lucky.

Congratulations, by the way. The Interarms/Ranger folks made a nice gun. FWIW, Interarms was quite picky about what it accepted and what it did not. It was said at the time that as many as 7 out 10 guns shipped were deemed unacceptable and returned to Gasden.

PhilRich01
June 1, 2010, 03:16 AM
Mine is a very low S prefix number in stainless. The date on the target is 8-9-83. My guess is 1983 might be the start of the S prefix. SN # S000944. Hope this helps the list - Phil

denfoote
June 1, 2010, 08:59 PM
I'm still confused.
Didn't Ranger have to keep SOME records for their FFL??
Weren't they required to keep some kind of manufactures bound book???
Were there no BATF inspections over the years???
There has to be records somewhere!!!
Anybody think to ask the feds???

shooterkj
June 6, 2010, 07:26 PM
i have a interarms 380 ppks ,my test target says 8-23-96 . serial S142XXX.
this may help with manufacture date.

searcher451
June 7, 2010, 09:15 PM
Denfoot: To the best of my knowledge, the question has been put to both the feds and to the Interarms folks after old Sam's passing, and more than once. And while the records no doubt exist somewhere, likely in some storage vault owned by the BATF, no one has been able to successfully unearth them, which is more than a bit on the crazy side. When you consider the fact that we have the records for all of the P.38 pistols made by the Nazis during WWII, despite the fact that country was pretty much blown to smitheerens during the war and by the additional fact that the Russians packed up pretty much everything they could from the Walther plant at the end and carted it all back to the frozen tundra, and yet we still have no records from the Interarms/Ranger days, well, it absolutely boggles the mind.

Ala Dan
June 8, 2010, 02:47 AM
I have a Walther PPK stainless .380 manufactured by Ranger Firearms
Gadsden, AL under license of Carl Walther Waffenfabrik of Germany.
Its S/N starts out with: A0~! ;) :D

searcher451
June 8, 2010, 08:12 PM
As with all things, the records for the Interarms/Ranger pistols were recorded on tape and routinely passed along to the BATF crew. If the BATF folks saved them, then the records would be available today -- if, in fact, someone were inclined to file an FOI request to get them out of hibernation. The cost would be considerable, no doubt, seeing as how the government would require a copying charge, and a lot of copies would be necessary to cover the serial numbers of all of the guns made.

What's really needed is for someone living close by to get inside and examine the records and get a month-by-month assessment of the pistols that were made during the term of the Ranger/Interarms contract. Even that wouldn't be a sure bet, however. Consider, for instance, the gun that was assembled, sent to Interarms, inspected and returned as wanting, only to be reworked and refitted, or perhaps even retrofitted, and then revamped and sent back for additional inspection and perhaps even eventual acceptance. But ... it would be far better than what we have now, which is nothing but the test targets, and those are only good when they were recorded with full dates: a month as well as a year. Too often, that, too, wasn't the case.

remo34
July 31, 2010, 11:08 PM
PPK stainless .380 A043149 11/7/1989
PPK stainless .380 A0509xx 1990 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A058xxx 6/19/1991
PPK stainless .380 A067365 1993 purchase
PPK stainless .380 A068995 7/28/1993
PPK stainless .380 A079617 2/2/1995

PPK/S stainless .380 S101380 2/25/1993
PPK/S stainless .380 S1598xx 6/24/1999

PPK/S stainless .380 S0176xx mid 1970's

Add Mine:
PPK Stainless .350 A087XXX Test Target dated 5/19/99.

Guns and more
August 1, 2010, 09:35 AM
But as always, the value of your PPK depends greatly on who might want to buy it from you and how much that person would be willing to pay. As you correctly point out, you don't see many of them advertised, which greatly increases the want-it value.
There's always 20 of them on Gunbroker. I'm looking for a nice Interarms (preferably a German made one) so I always watch.
The US made Interarms sell in the $500 range.

BTW, I'm not sure there really are any German made ones. Aren't the German stamped ones made in France and assembled in Germany?

searcher451
August 1, 2010, 01:39 PM
The Germans made the PPK through the war years. It was after the war that things changed because of the various treaties, and the licensing of the PPK and the PPK/S was shipped off to France (and, later, to the USA). This might help:

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10386

As to availability, you'll see a great many of the PPK/S models advertised on Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, etc. You don't see many PPKs offered.

JimFG
August 8, 2010, 03:08 AM
I have a stainless Interarms PPK:
S/N: A021488
Purchased 1/29/1988
Target has 2 initials followed by "9/16" probably "9/16/1987"

searcher451
August 10, 2010, 12:16 PM
Jim: You are probably correct, although it's a guess at best -- and always has been with the Interarms-model PPKs. The firearm in question could have been sitting on the shelf at the local gun shop for a couple of years before you (or someone) happened along to buy it. It also could have been built by the plant in Alabama, shipped to the folks at Interarms for inspection, been rejected and returned to Alabama for additional work (this happened far more than folks realize), sat in the plant for who knows how long, and then eventually returned to the Interarms folks for final testing and distribution. When it was actually made is anyone's guess, really, which continues to be a shame. It sure would be nice to get the definitive list of the dates of manufacturer of these pistols.

ChuckA
August 28, 2010, 05:20 PM
I just bought a Stainless Interams PPK from a friend of mine. NIB with all paperwork, never fired except at the factory. Serial number A0021XX and date on the target of 2/21 unknown year.

I'm looking for some good grips for it since I have big paws. I haven't seen anything rubber for it. Lots of stuff for the PPK/S but nothing for the PPK. Any recommendations?

searcher451
August 30, 2010, 05:28 PM
ChuckA: Give Pete in Idaho a try.

http://www.grips4u.net/index.php?cPath=31_86

I've bought several different grips for various models with great success.

aabuck
October 17, 2010, 11:23 AM
when they went to the investment casting,from blank steel.the guns made
in gadsden, were hard to mechine,hard to heattreat, more frames crushed
than finished.the rest is old news. if your gun is from a casting and it works
fine,then you have a fine little gun. it will last for ever.

willow
November 27, 2010, 11:46 AM
Hello, What can you tell me about this pistol, Walther ppk serial # 347919 semi automatic. This is all I know. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, Willow.

jamesdaddy
February 27, 2011, 02:30 PM
Hello I just bought my PPK/S serial # 063972 want to find out when it was made.

Ala Dan
February 27, 2011, 03:29 PM
My stainless (Ranger Firearms) Walther PPK with s/n AO77xxx has with it a
test target dated 07-21-1994; as fired by DM~! ;) :D

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