In Your Experience: Most Accurate Out-of-the-Box .22 Semi-Auto Rifle?


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easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
February 27, 2009, 01:58 PM
Folks, I need your help answering this question. Could've been asked and answered before but tried a forum search but couldn't find a definitive answer.

First a short background. Got a few bolt actions: a couple of CZ452s (Style and Varmint), Lakefield 91TR, Winchester 69A...all capable of satisfying accuracy up to 100 yds. My best group with cheap Winchester ammo (never bought anything other than the cheapest ammo) on a calm summer day was with the CZ452 Style, Bushnell 4-12 x 40 AO scope, benched on sandbags, 100 yards, 5 shots, 1 1/2 inches center to center.

I want to buy a reliable semi automatic 22LR rifle that is as accurate (or close) to my CZ452 Style above. New or used. Is there a semi auto that can better, equal or come close?

Please give details of your groups:
Rifle make and model, if possible year of manufacture
Scope make and specs, or stock iron
Method (i.e. bench rested, on sand bags etc)
Ammo
Distance (range)
Group size


Thank you.

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jimmyraythomason
February 27, 2009, 02:09 PM
A Ruger 10/22 carbine I bought in the '70s. With a Simmons' 4x scope it put ten shots into one ragged hole at 100 yards and took several squirrels at excess of(paced not measured )120 yards. I killed a crow with it at 125 long paces. The bullet drop was about 2 inches at that range.

husker
February 27, 2009, 03:23 PM
my new rem 597 is the best 22 i have out of the box. 1=rem597,2=marlin60,3=10-22, 4= henry lever action that im still waiting to arrive at my door. so i dont no were it will rank yet, the rem and ruger are less than a year old. the 60 has been around for years. i payed less than $200 for them. all came with scopes. the 597 is equal to my buddy's 10-22 stainless with the bull barrel. we shoot in doors at 25 yrds.

benzy2
February 27, 2009, 03:25 PM
I love the marlin model 60. If you can find one I would go with the CZ/BRNO 511. They sound to be as good as the bolt 452 series but in semi auto. If I were looking to spend a bit more than a base 10-22/model 60/597 I would go with the 511 though they can be a little hard to find at times.

zx12rider
February 27, 2009, 03:33 PM
Ok I have owned almost every 22 a person can find. I think the most accurate semi is (other than a custom 10/22) the T/C followed by the Remington, marlin, then ruger. That being said I like the Ruger most, then remmy(speedmaster not 597) then T/C, marlin. At one point I was looking for the Weatherby semi made years ago but I hear the barrels were loose fit to the reciever and not the best shooter.

Oh and I forgot the BAR-22 Browning which is a fine gun.

ctgmi
February 27, 2009, 03:41 PM
I want to buy a reliable semi automatic 22LR rifle that is as accurate (or close) to my CZ452 Style above. New or used. Is there a semi auto that can better, equal or come close?
As the norm, no.

Bolt actions will normally be more accurate then a semi.
While never had my hands on a CZ 511, Iíve heard nothing but good things as far is accuracy is concerned about these rifles. Though finding one can be a challenge.

ArmedBear
February 27, 2009, 04:14 PM
There are out-of-the-box 10/22-based guns, without Ruger parts but using the basic design and the same magazines.

Magnum Research and Volquartsen probably make some of the most accurate out-of-the-box .22 semiautos these days.

You do pay for that accuracy.:)

JonB
February 27, 2009, 10:52 PM
Yup, was going to say Volquartsen for the 10/22. But much cheaper is the Marlin 60.

tango2echo
February 27, 2009, 10:56 PM
VQ 10/22 or one of the many customs if price is no object. I am very pleased with a recent Marlin I picked up. Fit and finish was poor, but it puts 10rds under a quarter at 50yds all day.

t2e

gvnwst
February 27, 2009, 11:41 PM
ArmedBear pretty much got it. For cheaper, the marlin mod 60 or rem 597.

ArmedBear
February 27, 2009, 11:45 PM
Yeah, group size vs. price, I'd vote the Marlin 60 as well.

Mine has good fit and finish, too. It's not a Lazermark, but that's not waht I was expecting, either.:)

CZguy
February 28, 2009, 02:14 AM
I want to buy a reliable semi automatic 22LR rifle that is as accurate (or close) to my CZ452 Style above. New or used. Is there a semi auto that can better, equal or come close?

You might want to look at a Ruger 10/22T (not the standard carbine)

But, as others have said the Marlin 60 is very accurate, and a great value.

Funderb
February 28, 2009, 02:20 AM
savage mkII, best investment in .22 shooting i'v made. Keeps costs low because its a boltie.

Bill B.
February 28, 2009, 08:25 AM
Thompson Center Benchmark is the best .22 auto I have ever fired for accuracy. Mine will shoot with most of my Anschutz's and a buddy of mine made the comment that his CZ 453 wouldn't shoot with it and that's with cheap ammo. For whatever reason the TC Benchmark does't seem as ammo picky as my bolt guns. The only drawback to a box stock TC is the trigger as it is not bolt rifle quality. I shoot mine from a bench with front and rear rest with a 24x scope with a 1/8 MOA dot. Getting ready to use it in some plinker matches where the .22 used has to be under $500.00. I have no doubt that it will do it's part if I do mine.

feudalson
March 1, 2009, 08:35 PM
marlin model 60 22" barrel

akolleth
March 1, 2009, 10:06 PM
Another vote for the Marlin 60

Funderb
March 1, 2009, 10:33 PM
I'm an idiot.

Savage model 87a. my bad.

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
March 1, 2009, 10:38 PM
Gentlemen, many thanks for your replies. Seems there are more box-stock options than I originally thought. I really want a semi-auto because I miss my 10/22 with folding synthetic stock. I sold it because it only possessed marginal accuracy but was so reliable and so much fun.

My favorite local GS can bring in a CZ511, at around CAN$500, if they can find one. While I really enjoy by 452s, I cannot justify that much cash for any gun, particularly during these tough times.

The TC Benchmark and the Volquartsen excite me, again they're priced out of my league.

Realistically I am limited to around CAN$250 maximum which would narrow my choices to economy entry level pieces, like the Marlin 795 or 10/22 which are available. No Marlin 60s, Savage or Rem 597s in my local GS so will call other stores.

Right now, I am leaning towards the Marlin 60 but will make decision after I handle as many eco/entry models as I can find, up close and personal.

Thanks again guys

Mike U.
March 1, 2009, 10:57 PM
Model 60 '70's vintage, 22 inch bbl.
Shoots way more accurately than I am now capable of.

As a side note, I've recently discovered this particular Marlin loves Winchester's new Silver Box HV Xperts.

Schleprok62
March 1, 2009, 11:09 PM
Either the Remingtoon 597 or the Marlin 60 for a low buck, accurate 22 semi... unless you wanna spend a lot of money. Stock 10/22's are not notoriously accurate out of the box... matter of fact, they're notorious for "patterns" instead of "groups"

AKElroy
March 1, 2009, 11:28 PM
Marlin 7000 target. You have to keep it really clean to keep it reliable; I have a bushnell 3x9 w/ adjustable objective; I have drawn a crowd at the range w/ Ely Tennex shooting 1 ragged hole 10 round 50 yrd groups.

emerson
March 1, 2009, 11:47 PM
My Marlin is a 'tack driver'.

PT1911
March 1, 2009, 11:50 PM
my ruger 10/22 has been a great addition.. I could never complain about the accuracy... I am sure there are more expensive guns out there that have better capabilities (all the single shot heavy barrels) or something akin to that..marlins semi-autos have given me fits..

rangerruck
March 2, 2009, 02:17 AM
marlin anything, especially the 7000, or the ever simple savage 64. screw the ruger, and I have one.

husker
March 2, 2009, 02:42 AM
PT 1911 the 10-22 aint a cheap 22. to make my 10-22 shoot as accurate as my other two 22s id have to go buy a better barrel.and now i have a $350 dollar 22 that maybe shoots as good as my $110 marlin 60 or my $149 rem 597. dont get me wrong either. if you want a platform wich to build your own tommy gun, mg42,or what ever their great. my buddy bought a marlin with what he called a micro grooved barrel. its a real shooter. its a bolt action though

feudalson
March 2, 2009, 02:49 AM
ur model 60 should have a micro grooved barrell as well husker

husker
March 2, 2009, 03:00 AM
i just googled= marlin micro grooved rifle. good article to read

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
March 10, 2009, 09:50 AM
How about the old Mossberg semi-autos, like the 152. Are they any good?

gotime242
March 10, 2009, 09:57 AM
Marlin 7000
Bought one 5 years ago, has probably 3000 rounds thru it and has never had one malf of any sort.

Very accurate. Has a simmons 6.5-20x50mm and a bipod.

http://i43.tinypic.com/330u2ol.jpg

At 100 yards, wolf target ammo:

http://i42.tinypic.com/20igp4z.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/wqyk2c.jpg

mm1ut1
March 10, 2009, 10:05 AM
Erma/Iver Johnson 22 carbine. I have two and they have an excellent combination of good trigger, accuracy, and ergonomics(for me anyway).

rino451
March 10, 2009, 10:55 AM
Model 60 '70's vintage, 22 inch bbl.

Been looking for one off and on for a year now. Like to get one before the NJ 14 round tube option. Not many people want to give them up.

Settled for an NRA commemorative model.

I have a Rem 597 as well but I think that the 60's a little better. It might just be that I'm not too fond of the 597's stock sights and the Mepro's(I think) I installed aren't much better.

And yes, my vote is Model 60.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 10, 2009, 11:04 AM
I had a T/C Classic .22 (predecessor to the R-55), and my Marlin 60 shoots better than it did.

skinnysarge79
March 10, 2009, 11:34 AM
My father in law has an older Remington Speedmaster that's hard to beat. I can usually outshoot his 10-22's with my Rem 597, but that Speedmaster just whips me.

d2wing
March 10, 2009, 04:31 PM
I would like to know more about the CZ 511. A local gun shop has one for $350. Is that a good price? Anyone actually know how they shoot?
I don't want to buy one and be disappointed.

CZguy
March 10, 2009, 05:39 PM
d2wing,

Go over to Rimfirecentral.com, in the CZ section, and do a search.

If you post where you live, you won't be disappointed, because I'll buy it. :D

Hawk
March 10, 2009, 05:41 PM
I was going to say Weatherby Mk22 but I checked first and the thing's been replaced by a bolt action. Probably during the Carter administration.

Now I feel old.

benzy2
March 10, 2009, 08:00 PM
d2wing. If you don't want that rifle please please let me know where it is. I would love to pick up a 511 for that price. If I were you I would jump on it. If you do get it and don't like it for whatever reason let me know.

d2wing
March 10, 2009, 08:31 PM
The CZ 511 is at Scheels in Mankato MN, It's used but looks pretty new.
I won't feel bad if one of you gets there first. I'm kinda over budget in guns but I might pick it up anyway.

beechnut
March 10, 2009, 08:51 PM
I am gonna say a marlin model 60.

ArkansasFatboy
March 11, 2009, 12:56 AM
Maybe I just got a good one but my 10/22 shoots great out of the box. granted i did try about 4 kinds of ammo before i found the one it liked the most (winchester xpert hollow point). But i can consistintly shoot dime size or smaller groups at 30yds and it will shoot mos (minute of squrriel)way beyond that.

CZguy
March 11, 2009, 01:13 AM
Maybe I just got a good one but my 10/22 shoots great out of the box. granted i did try about 4 kinds of ammo before i found the one it liked the most (winchester xpert hollow point). But i can consistintly shoot dime size or smaller groups at 30yds and it will shoot mos (minute of squrriel)way beyond that.

You got lucky............go buy a lottery ticket. :D

btefft
March 11, 2009, 02:00 AM
10/22

Hack

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
March 23, 2009, 03:13 AM
Alright gentlemen, your responses have been extremely helpful. Thank you.

While looking for a Marlin 60 or a Stevens/Savage, I came across a Glenfield Marlin 70 (microgroove, steel in excellent shape with almost 99% blueing) and a Springfield (Stevens/Savage)87A in great mechanical condition but pitted in a couple of inconsequential (to me) places, for a total of $210.00, FTF. Both stocks have been refinished.

Can't wait to shoot them on Friday.

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
April 24, 2010, 07:55 PM
Gentlemen, just an update on my search for an accurate, out of the box, 22 semi-auto. Many thanks for all your suggestions.

I found a good, used Marlin 60, 21 inch barrel with 14 round (l.r.) mag tube, LSHO feature. Well maintained, previous owner probably shot 5 or 6 bricks through it.

It came with a cheapo Nikko Sterling Compact 4 x 32 scope and solid, not laminated, wood stock.

It shot 1.5 inch, 5-shot groups, at 100 meters (we use meters not yds up here in Vancouver, BC, Canada) with Winchester Dynapoint white box bulk, no wind.

This duplicates the groups from my CZ452 Style, although groups were shot on different days. Needless to day, I am very pleased:D:D:D Thanks again.

Salty1
April 24, 2010, 08:07 PM
I would have to agree with the 10/22, but if your looking for "fun" check out the Sig 522 we got some in stock so I took one to the range, I enjoyed it so much I actually bought it....

BridgeTooFar
April 24, 2010, 08:30 PM
Most accurate that I've ever shot out of the box (with a scope on it) is a Ruger 10/22 Target Tactical.

I reviewed it here if you're interested ( http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=518584 ), but my answers to your questions are as follows:

Please give details of your groups: From 50 yds., I got the gun to group into 3/8" 5 shot groups, and from 75 yds., it grouped at about 3/4".

Rifle make and model, if possible year of manufacture: Ruger 10/22 Target Tactical and I believe it was manufactured this year or late last year.

Scope make and specs, or stock iron: Leupold VX-I 2-7x33

Method (i.e. bench rested, on sand bags etc): Just shooting with the supplied bipod.

Ammo: Winchester Super-X High Velocity 40grn. FMJ

Distance (range): 50 and 75 yards

Group size: See above.

Edit: Also, I meant to mention, when you say "out of the box", I really mean out of the box on this one. I literally took it out of the box, affixed the bipod, mounted the scope, and it sat in my gun closet for a month or so until I could get to the range. No cleaning, no break in; nothing other than the few rounds to zero it and then shooting for groups.

rangerruck
April 24, 2010, 09:48 PM
there are only 2 to consider ; a CZ silhouette, if you can find one, and a Thompson/center.

rangerruck
April 24, 2010, 09:50 PM
... Now then, if you can find a marlin 7000 , with cutouts for the front and rear sites, but nothing is in them, then that was a bbl made for their target 2000ls', and should be a one hole punch. also a regular non cutout 7000 is good. next up would be any of the marlins; 60, 99.99c, 989, 99m1, 75, 75c, 70, papoose, etc.

oldfool
April 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
OP already made the smart money move
Marlin model 60

rimfires are about reasonable expectations, plus luck of the draw, especially in semi-autos
hands down best bet, Marlin model 60
next best bet Browning SA22

10/22s are all about rebuilding, unless you beat the odds on luck of the draw

rustcat
April 24, 2010, 11:10 PM
my vote goes to the Marlin 25n, shoots circles around my buddy's 10/22

SwampWolf
April 24, 2010, 11:36 PM
Winchester Model 77-once you get past the trigger.

Stumper
April 25, 2010, 05:23 AM
Ammo makes a huge difference-while a CZ 452 tends to shoot all things well, some ammo will outshine others. In most .22s of "average" accuracy there will be a particular ammo that performs very much better than average. I've had an accurate Marlin Mod 60 for decades-it always liked Rem standard velocity, own an old Savage/Springfield that will pack 'em in quite well with some ammo(Win Super X and, of all things, Rem Golden Bullets) and my most accurate .22 is a Ruger sr22-which tends to shoot most ammo well, shines with Rem subsonics and CCI mini mags and I need to find some target ammo to see if I can shrink the tiny groups a bit more.

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