baby eagle problem


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potshot
February 27, 2009, 03:09 PM
I am looking for answers that Magnum Research says don't matter. After about 600 to 800 rounds I started to see some of the ejected brass showing signs of being hit in the side during ejection and putting a small flat spot by the opening of the case. A friend has an identical IWI 45 baby eagle that after about 500 rounds started hitting the cases so hard that it would dent the opening straight on making the brass trash for reloading. All of his shooting has been with factory ammo so the loads should have no effect where mine has been mostly reloads. When I asked MR about the problem the answer was send the gun in and they would test it. They also said they would look at the function of the gun only and didn't care about the condition of the expended brass. To me the brass condition is the sign of a problem starting that could end up with ejection problems and jams. Has anyone had this problem and what should I try to remedy it? I don"t know if the springs get weak or what. To date I have not had a jam but the reliability of the weapon becomes suspect. Any sugestions?

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sqlbullet
February 27, 2009, 03:26 PM
1911tuner may chime in....

The two parts I think of most when considering ejection are the ejector and the extractor. Since you don't mention changing the ejector, and it isn't likely to wear much, I would think the extractor is starting to get 'broken in'. It may have held the brass more tighly before, but now it is smoothed up. When the ejector hits the brass, less energy is used pulling it free from the extractor, so it spins more energetically, probably smacking the slide on the outside.

raz-0
February 27, 2009, 03:39 PM
The .45 baby eagle is trying to squeeze 10 lbs of manure into a 5lb bag. There timing on the slide travel and ejection may just be so tight that you can't help but ding up your brass. A weakening recoil spring could result in the slide traveling back faster.

maybe try a nice thick grease like slide glide. It might dampen the slide action enough to give the brass time to get out.

Original 1911s would beat the heck out of brass, which is part of the reason for lowering and flaring the ejection port. CZ clones don't have a lot of space to lower anything given the rails inside frame design.

MRI says don't use reloads anyway, so they aren't going to care about the condition of the brass. their CS isn't the most helpful in the world anyway.

potshot
February 27, 2009, 04:18 PM
I think that the case is slow going out and is hitting on the front of the port going out. would heavier springs or lighter springs slow the slide down? I know that MRI doesn't approve of reloads but I figured that that was just to keep lawyers away. Their lack of response at customer service was an eye opener to me and makes me wonder about further support.

raz-0
February 28, 2009, 06:06 PM
Well, either the brass is starting to be ejected/flipped out by the ejector too soon, or it's not clearing the ejection port completely before the slide starts returning to battery. A heavier recoil spring should slow down the initial reward movement of the slide, but it tends to return the slide to battery a bit faster. A lighter spring lets the slide travel back faster, and tends to return to battery a bit slower. You could need either.


Which is why I recommended a heavy grease. It's generaly useful stuff, and retards motion a bit in both directions due to being fairly viscous material.

texas77325
September 4, 2010, 03:14 PM
The brass comes out of my Baby 45 with quite a velocity and varying angles. Some lands 20-30 feet away and some bounces off my head. Still, the brass appears to be round and not bent. I use the PMC and Winchester factory loads so I am not trying to reload. A couple of loading jams in the first two mags, then 500 rounds or more without a hitch. And good sights and good accuracy at 25 yards. Loving it.

MrIzhevsk
September 5, 2010, 11:29 AM
Might be a silly question but I thought I'd ask anyways;

I have a Jericho/BE .45 and noticed the exact thing you are experiencing.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/CreamE30/Photo65.jpg

Your brass is looking like the brass on the right in the photo right? ( the silver casing is one that got jammed in the ejection port )

Are you shooting indoors? I kept thinking that it was hitting the side of the slide, but it turns out that the extractor was flinging them out so hard it would hit the wall next to me and dent the brass. I went to an outdoor range and picked up some of my brass and didn't find any that were dented.

Here's the thread I posted about it, lots of useful information that could help you out;
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=526850


Wow didn't realize this posting was from over a year ago!! zombie thread.

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