AR-15 guys... anything wrong with these mags?


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1KPerDay
February 27, 2009, 02:23 PM
C-products 30 round black teflon orange followers.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar230blorfom.html

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rcmodel
February 27, 2009, 02:30 PM
C-Products are about as good as it gets in mil-spec mags.

http://www.cproductsllc.com/

rc

taliv
February 27, 2009, 02:41 PM
cp aren't nearly as good as the D&H mags bravo sells (cheaper, even)
and they aren't as good as brownell's mags either

Coronach
February 27, 2009, 03:19 PM
CP apparently has some variation in their product. Most are good, there are some lemons. Allegedly they have a no questions asked returns policy, so that's good. I've bought and sold about 50 of their mags, and I've never seen one that was obviously out of spec, and the ones that I have used have run fine.

FWIW,

Mike

JWarren
February 27, 2009, 03:24 PM
I got in 10 of the SS Black teflon ones with orange followers two weeks ago.

Mine work and look great.

-- John

briansmithwins
February 27, 2009, 03:29 PM
I've got a couple of dozen of the Cproducts stainless steel mags. About 4 of them were too tight to drop free in a Olympic AR. Larry at CP replaced them w/o question.

I've never had a tab break off a CP magazine, like the D&H one did.

That said, the CP mags have been religated to 2nd line status. I'm buying and using Pmags now as they are crazy tough. BSW

BSW

possum
February 27, 2009, 03:34 PM
i have not seen any issues with the ones have ran in courses. If i was to buy mags, i would get pmags.

1KPerDay
February 27, 2009, 03:49 PM
Thanks guys. I bought a bunch last week for a good price (by my estimation) and I just wanted to make sure they had a rep for good quality. I haven't had any trouble with any of my AR mags but I don't beat the crap out of them.

I've heard a rumor that c products was developing a reliable 30-rd .30 carbine mag... wish they'd hurry up. :D

Gary G23
February 27, 2009, 05:37 PM
Be sure and test them all. I bought 30 CP mags once and only 18 were usable.

1KPerDay
February 27, 2009, 05:52 PM
Wow... that's not good.

I don't have enough ammo to test them all. lol

what was the problem with the ones that didn't work? FTF? wouldn't lock in the gun?

pwrtool45
February 27, 2009, 06:25 PM
You test the mags by loading one round and determining that the feed lip is straight. Load another round and determine that the other feed lip is straight.

Then unload the mag and push the follower down about an inch with your finger and let the follower snap back. Is it sluggish? If so, either contact your vendor and have the magazine replace or just replace the knockoff magpul follower (assuming you have a generic "anti-tilt" follower) with a real one.

Then take a ruler and load the spring, determining if the follower binds or drags at any point. If it does, disassemble the magazine and check for blotched welds along the spine. If you see one, contact your vendor (or, failing that, the manufacturer) and have it replaced under warranty. If you don't and it still feels sluggish, shoot it. If you have problems (such as bolt closing on an empty chamber) the inside diameter of the body is probably too small. Have it replaced under warranty.

You should, btw, do the same thing for all your AR mags (even the $50 HK jobs). Everybody and their dog is running at full capacity and QC for AR-related miscellanea is probably at an all-time low. You're more likely to have problems with CP beer can mags than NHTMG beer can mags, but I wouldn't trust anybody to get it right out of the box.

Check your mags. There's no magic "this mag is good and always will be" or "this mag is a ticking time bomb, replace it now!" test. Including those based solely on the manufacturer.

Two posts in one day where I defend C Products. I expect tomorrow after the match I'll come home to find "dogs and cats living together" and "mass hysteria" on the evening news...

Gary G23
February 27, 2009, 06:36 PM
You can test mags without shooting them. It won't tell you if they will absolutely work or not, but it normally will tell you if they won't.

Here's what I do:

Insert mag in magwell. Make sure it goes in smoothly, locks in place, drops free, and locks back when you pull the bolt back.

Take a ruler and depress follower. If the follower sticks at any point of the cycle you have a problem.

Make sure the two mag body halves have been welded together symmetrically, and all the welds look good.

Take the mag apart and check for welding slag inside the mag. Reassemble.

Load one round into the mag. First round will be on left side. Is the round retained properly? Is the round straight will the mag body? Is there clearance on the front side of the mag for the round to feed? Is there any clearance issues in front of the feed lip between the mag body and loaded round (I normally insert a piece of paper there and check to see that it moves freely).

Insert a second round in the mag. It will be on the right side. Do all the checks for the second round that you did for the first round.

These steps will catch most of the issues you are liable to have.

1KPerDay
February 27, 2009, 06:47 PM
Thanks gary. I guess I'll have to open up those pretty little plastic wrappers, but I'll check it out.

carbine85
February 27, 2009, 08:29 PM
All my C Products mags work great. Never had a problem.

Lloyd Smale
February 28, 2009, 09:21 AM
ive had good luck with them. Ive bought probably 40 of them now and havent had a bad one yet. I was told by a reliable source that brownels gets there mags made by c products so i cant see how the brownel ones could be better. cp aren't nearly as good as the D&H mags bravo sells (cheaper, even)
and they aren't as good as brownell's mags either

taliv
February 28, 2009, 10:44 AM
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Company/news.aspx?newsid=74

ask your 'reliable source' why, if the US military wanted c-product mags, would they not go get them from c-products?

does c-products have a military contract? i don't know

Kindrox
February 28, 2009, 10:51 AM
I had a gray market source for C Products mags a couple years back and sold hundreds locally for a while.

Of the many hundreds, one mag had a follower that bound up. I swapped it out and have not gotten around to replacing it it yet.

For my personal mag stock, I have D&H, Bushmaster, general mil spec, and a bunch of the C-Products.

FreuderLocks
February 28, 2009, 10:55 AM
My Magpul industries mags are aweseome, Ive never had a problem with any of my 12. Check out the video of the abuse they take in this video and continue to function. I cant say I've tried this but mine have certainly been through some torture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc
-FL

Gary G23
February 28, 2009, 01:14 PM
Only three companies have US military contracts:

Okay Industries
Center Industries
Brownells

benEzra
February 28, 2009, 02:26 PM
cp aren't nearly as good as the D&H mags bravo sells (cheaper, even)
and they aren't as good as brownell's mags either
So Brownell's "house brand" mags are good? (Not questioning you, just never heard any discussion of them pro or con.)

yosarian
February 28, 2009, 02:28 PM
I stick with D&H for the price they are great.Check 44mag.com when they have them in stock they are usually about $13.

Zach S
February 28, 2009, 03:51 PM
I have a handful of them and haven't had any problems with them. Most of mine are LaBelle, D&H (formerly LaBelle, I think), and NHMTG.

taliv
February 28, 2009, 04:04 PM
So Brownell's "house brand" mags are good? (Not questioning you, just never heard any discussion of them pro or con.)

i think so. if D&H and magpul were out of stock, brownells would be my next choice

cdpsrjc
May 8, 2009, 06:01 PM
I bought two 20 round SS mags. One was fine, the other wouldn't hold the first/last round. contacted C products for an RMA on the defective mag and received a prompt response. I sent the mag back and since that time they have completely ignored multiple follow-up emails from me. As the saying goes, you pay your money and you take your chances. I will never buy another again, and if this 'review' costs them $20 in sales, I'm happy now. I bought several pmag magazines and am happy with my new purchases. lesson learned. I wish all my lessons were this cheap.

Rubber_Duck
May 8, 2009, 07:21 PM
I have one of the black stainless steel 20-round mags with the orange MagPul follower knock-off and at first inspection it seemed flimsily made but after several hundred round through it never a failure, so I've put my mind at ease about it. My only gripe is that when I load it with 20 rounds it won't lock in on a closed bolt since it reaches the absolute end of it's spring/follower travel.

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