if you could only own one, ar15 or garand?


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FlyinBryan
February 27, 2009, 10:30 PM
ok, maybe you can have both, but which do you prefer, the ar15, or the m1 garand?

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gvnwst
February 27, 2009, 10:31 PM
AR. Cheaper ammo, can get uppers in SOOO many different calibers, lighter overall weight, more ergonimic.

FMJMIKE
February 27, 2009, 10:32 PM
Garand..........History and one potent battle rifle............:D

matrem
February 27, 2009, 10:36 PM
But..We don't have to only own one!
I voted AR.

lionking
February 27, 2009, 10:36 PM
They both really have the "fun factor",they both are comfortable and excellent accuracy potential rifles.

But if I had to choose I'd go Garand,just enjoy the larger caliber,enjoy the fact that the people at the range always look at it,they have that allure.

FlyinBryan
February 27, 2009, 10:37 PM
But..We don't have to only own one!


you have a preference?

C-grunt
February 27, 2009, 10:50 PM
The Garand is a great rifle and my both of my grandfathers weapon they used in WWII.

BUT....

The M16/AR is also a great rifle and was what I used in the service, so its near and dear to me.

I say AR 15.

matrem
February 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
you have a preference?
Will you accept "both"? aka can't decide.
Having to take one? (Hopefully never faced with that)an AR would have to be the "one"

lefteyedom
February 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
I carried an M16/AR everyday for the better part of 20 years. If I had joined the USAF in 1954 instead of 1984 I am sure I would have voted for the grand.

moooose102
February 27, 2009, 11:02 PM
well, thats an easy one. i voted ar15. mostly because almost all (including our beloved garand) old military rifles are butt ugly:barf: the ar, is no beauty queen, but at least it looks decent:evil:

mordechaianiliewicz
February 27, 2009, 11:05 PM
I voted AR simply because IMHO, it's advanced technology next to the Garand.

Assuming you are talking about the gun alone, and leaving caliber options open.

Onmilo
February 27, 2009, 11:07 PM
In this, the modern world, it is a no brainer for me to choose the AR-15.

Since I can own both, I do, and appreciate both platforms and the fact I don't have to play Russian and choose what the Party State decides is best for me.

Boba Fett
February 27, 2009, 11:08 PM
The question is a bit vague.

For what application would I be using them for? Defense? Fun? Hunting? Collecting?


If I'm getting one for defense and practical use, I'd go with the AR.

I voted for the Garand because I love the rifle, its looks, its history, and the wonderful *Ping* as the clip is ejected: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9d01zAmnMY



I would also like to add that the OP's signature is, at best, disturbing. :barf:

helz_mcfugly
February 27, 2009, 11:11 PM
like the pirates say AR matey

Auburn1992
February 27, 2009, 11:17 PM
An AR, no doubt about it. You can't really customize an M1, but the possibilities are endless on an AR.

crebralfix
February 27, 2009, 11:30 PM
If I can have only one...AR-15 because I can get different uppers in different calibers.

tango2echo
February 27, 2009, 11:34 PM
There's alot of AR-15's that I wouldn't stake my life on. I've never seen a Garand that I would say that about.

offthepaper
February 27, 2009, 11:53 PM
Range and power.

Garand.

Frisk
February 28, 2009, 12:11 AM
Garand.

Also m1a over ar15 too. :neener:

Schofield
February 28, 2009, 12:13 AM
Well a gun isn't all about shootin' which is why I pick the Garand. I can't think of a more addicting and pleasing sound then that >ping< after you've spent your allowance. And let's be real here, in a class 5 zombie invasion (the deadliest) then you want some power. Plus I imagine it would be over all more accurate.

ReelFaith
February 28, 2009, 12:19 AM
I say both. SOCOM and Scout! :D

nwilliams
February 28, 2009, 12:22 AM
+1 for an AR with multiple uppers

PT1911
February 28, 2009, 12:24 AM
well I would say without a doubt ar-15. several reasons for that. First let me say the Garand is a great gun that I hope to own eventually, but there is a reason I went for the AR first. Lets see, cheaper ammo, available hi capacity mags, an incredible variety of customization options, and, well, one heck of a cool factor too. I would love to get a garand and will in time, but for all practical purposes, AR all the way.

unless of course you are shooting from a trench..

PT1911
February 28, 2009, 12:28 AM
not to mention the optics.. with a garand, though they are pretty dern accurate, you are still using human eyes to look potentially a few hundred yards... I would rather a nice optic to examine the nose hairs at the same distance... makes being accurate a whole lot easier. sorry to all the IRON site enthusiasts..

RP88
February 28, 2009, 12:30 AM
As awesome as the Garand is, it's kind of like comparing a vacuum tube to a laptop, IMO

AR all the way

Tennesseean
February 28, 2009, 12:54 AM
Garand. No competition.

With a Garand, generally speaking, if I can see it, I can shoot it. With iron sights.

Ammo for a Garand may be more expensive than for an AR-15, but in the absence of rounds in the magazine I can be assured that I am still holding a very intimidating and potent weapon: a club. It's a Louisville Slugger and Sherman Tank all rolled into one menacing rifle!

FlyinBryan
February 28, 2009, 01:02 AM
im not so sure that "cheaper ammo" has merit for the ar15's case.

i thought that too till i found out that you can get m2 military ball 30-06 for 67 dollars per 240rds.

brass case, non corrosive, boxer primed, and reloadable.


you mcan even get 192 rds already in en-block clips for 62 bux.

amwdc
February 28, 2009, 01:20 AM
garand ,if i hit something i know its going to drop on the first shot (I hunt) no disrespect to the ar guys i know shot placement is critical but i wouldn't want to go after moose with a ar15 ,or a bear , that would be suicide ,plus when i pick up a garand and think "this is the rifle the greatest generation carried " my first impression of the ar 15 wasn't good. my buddie built a stag arms m4 look alike. Its as accurate as hell ,sights are great stripping couldn't be any easier,recoil ......what recoil,my only thing against it is that it every time u clean it its its a pain to clean (bolt in particular ) and id u don't clean them locking lug recess's good it jams,that what happened to me . the only 2 fault i can see in the garand is weight ,and the e block clip .

Deepskyy
February 28, 2009, 02:08 AM
Based on weight, ergonomics, and magazine capacity, AR all the way.

missouri dave
February 28, 2009, 10:17 AM
Garand!

jdc1244
February 28, 2009, 10:33 AM
I do own only one: a Garand; zero interest in an AR.

Tinpig
February 28, 2009, 10:59 AM
I own both, and I carried both an M14 and an M16 in the service.
I like my AR ok, but I'm voting M1 all the way.
Tinpig

mjkten
February 28, 2009, 11:06 AM
I have to vote for the AR. There is every evidence that the current adminstration intends to rebuild our society into a socialist state. That will include restrictions on gun ownership by every means. So-given the huge availability of ar's I would have to vote for the AR. Next gun, something in a larger caliber.:)

Boba Fett
February 28, 2009, 01:46 PM
AND COMING DOWN THE STRAIGHTAWAY, IT'S THE GARAND BY A NOSE!!!


So-given the huge availability of ar's I would have to vote for the AR.


True, there are more AR's out there.

But what about the dependability/reliability? I always thought the garands were a more of a drop-it-in-the-mud-keep-fighting rifle and the ARs are a bit more touchy and need a bit more care and maintenance? What do the rest of you think?

I agree with you though. If it comes to defense/government collapse, I'd go with the AR too. But I wouldn't feel at a disadvantage if I had to use a garand. And as I said in an earlier post, the garand is a classic.

gvnwst
February 28, 2009, 01:47 PM
Dang, 2 hours in the AR had a 3/4 lead! Now we are losing to that, that, thing.:barf:


:D:D:D

possum
February 28, 2009, 01:50 PM
the ar! why? because that is what i am trained on and the best with. it meets my needs better, light, red dot etc.

krs
February 28, 2009, 09:57 PM
A Garand is a rifleman's weapon.

Crunker1337
February 28, 2009, 09:59 PM
AR-15:

Magazine capacity
Ammunition cost
Lightweight
Adaptable
WAY customizable

High Planes Drifter
February 28, 2009, 10:22 PM
AR for me.

Float Pilot
February 28, 2009, 10:30 PM
I spent 30 years instructing with ARs or commanding troops trying to keep their AR running.

The AR is not a new wonder weapon. It is a 50 plus year old design with 50 years of trying to make it reliable.

I have a couple, but I would not take either one if I had a reliable Garand to take instead. And I am not nuts about Garands either.

Crow1108
February 28, 2009, 11:04 PM
AR for versatility. You can have any caliber upper from .22 LR to .50 BMG (single shot, yes, but still a .50). You can go long range or CQB. You can make a pistol out of it, or you can have an accurate prarie dog popper. You can have any magazine capacity from 5 to 100 rounds. You can go the NFA route and get the group therapy option. It also seems like spare parts are alot easier to get (and replace).

zoom6zoom
February 28, 2009, 11:22 PM
The Garand. Turning cover into concealment for over sixty years.

latisimusd
February 28, 2009, 11:53 PM
My vote goes to the M1 Garand - can be used as game hunter or defense. Nostalgic, tough as nails, and very accurate. I may be jaded by the historical side!;)

Javelin
March 1, 2009, 12:03 AM
IF that AR is a Noveske.... well then that is an easy decision.

:)

Utah1
March 1, 2009, 02:33 AM
After spending 4 years carrying around an M16, the rifle never out of arms reach, I just don't have much love for the thing. And that was 20 years ago.

I also can't stand any product that has the word "tactical" in it.

ROAshooter
March 1, 2009, 03:00 AM
Garand.......had an AR.....

IndianaBoy
March 1, 2009, 03:14 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/sCo_blink2.gif
well, thats an easy one. i voted ar15. mostly because almost all (including our beloved garand) old military rifles are butt ugly the ar, is no beauty queen, but at least it looks decent



http://www.westtexasarmory.com/gunpics/win2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/anim_bow.gif

C-grunt
March 1, 2009, 05:40 AM
+1 there. The Garand is a beautiful rifle.

Also, I dont think the argument that an AR/M16 is not a "riflemans rifle". They dont teach spray and pray shooting in basic training. Hell, when I went through, if your rifle ever went to burst it was an instant smoking. The irons on an A2 are very good and a standard rifle will easily shoot out to 500 meters. I did that several times in the Army.

Ignition Override
March 1, 2009, 05:58 AM
Ammo prices are a factor, but were not stated in the survey choices.

The Garand looks like a powerful combat rifle and has wood.
But maybe some of us are brainwashed by watching so many more old movies about WW2, and watched "combat" with Vic Morrow in 1965.

If the costs for a Garand and ammo had been nearly as cheap as those for the Mosin Nagant, I would have been at the river yesterday blasting holes in an empty juice jug with 30-06, instead of enjoying the seductive smell of Russian laminated wood, metal and the burned powder produced in Sofia, Bulgaria (1952).

Indiana Boy:
You have a true Foxy Babe:), but you don't cherish her. :(
I find our combat rifles attractive, and the gas tube is on the bottom, compared to the weird industrial inverted plumbing on the SKS and AK. Before you insult your Babe, look at the receiver on any SKS....the 'Tonka dump truck' of combat rifles, but except for the rear part, not too bad.

Ignition Override
March 1, 2009, 06:04 AM
Sorry, not a high-tech old fart here.

RockyMtnTactical
March 1, 2009, 08:49 AM
AR15, easy.

45 nut
March 1, 2009, 09:22 AM
actions speak louder than words----- got 1 ar15 and got 5 garands

Reid73
March 1, 2009, 01:04 PM
The M1 / .30-06 combination won two wars. The M16 / 5.56 combination lost two wars. That pretty much says it all.

ds92
March 1, 2009, 01:07 PM
AR over garand, but M1a over AR

Gungnir
March 1, 2009, 01:15 PM
I voted Garand, forget cosmetics, it's just a heavier hitter.

You can hunt what you like with it, and it will be very effective in a firefight.

kwelz
March 1, 2009, 01:47 PM
The M1 / .30-06 combination won two wars. The M16 / 5.56 combination lost two wars. That pretty much says it all.


Riiiiight. Because we know the weapon was the problem and not the politics.

krs
March 1, 2009, 02:08 PM
Ya, and where does the reasoning that could make someone call the "Korean Police action" a win come from?

I went through basic with an M14, but they handed me an M16 when I checked into the 1st Infantry Div. basecamp at Dian - first time I'd ever seen one in person. Everybody joked about it and most everybody honestly believed at first that it was made by Mattel. I mean, the supply guy said so, and all of us were brand new in country not knowing what to believe if it wasn't a sergeant.

Schleprok62
March 1, 2009, 04:56 PM
Why was the M1A/M14 omitted??? I chose AR, but I would love an M1A/M14...

Poor East Texan
March 1, 2009, 05:09 PM
Garand because I'm a heavy/slow kinda guy rather than light/fast.

And Garand hasn't a high cap or pistol grip to piss off the antis!!!

matrem
March 1, 2009, 05:14 PM
And Garand hasn't a high cap or pistol grip to piss off the antis!!!
Another reason to vote AR.

helz_mcfugly
March 1, 2009, 06:56 PM
yea I think the M1a/M14 should have been put in this mix. I bet it would be right up there with the AR and the Garand "father".
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/springfieldsocomii.jpg

testosterone
March 1, 2009, 08:53 PM
Garand.

Someone posted 223 ammo is cheaper.

.30-06 from the CMP is cheaper... you can get 1K rounds for under 300 dollars.

I haven't seen non-steel .223 ammo anywhere under 400 for some years.

61chalk
March 1, 2009, 08:55 PM
I have a AR15, an used the m16 in service...I have never fired the Garand, but hope someday I can, I
have owned a Remington 30-06...
I'm not sure how reliable the Garand
is, but it seemed to do a great job in WW2....so am I living in a survival type condition in Alaska? Or am I in
urban warfare right here at the end of the world?.....I choose the Garand because my AR15 won't stop a charging grizzly, unless I'm calm an make a head shot, an I won't be calm!...An I know a 30-06 in urban warfare is going to BUST through walls faster an easier an get the guy behind it better than my AR15.

jerkface11
March 1, 2009, 09:04 PM
I chose the Garand for ease of caliber conversion, all the accessories available, magazine capacity, and accuracy.

jackdanson
March 1, 2009, 09:29 PM
Not a fair comparison.. that's like asking 69 camaro or 2005 civic? That being said, I would buy an AR before I would buy a garand, simply because it is a more "practical" rifle, IMHO.

heavyshooter
March 2, 2009, 12:18 AM
Garand..........History and one potent battle rifle............

'nuff said.

bowline
March 2, 2009, 05:59 AM
Garand, of course.
What, there was a doubt???

C-grunt
March 2, 2009, 06:30 AM
The M1 / .30-06 combination won two wars. The M16 / 5.56 combination lost two wars. That pretty much says it all.

Ummmmm.... The M16 was the main rifle for what many consider the most successful invasion in human history.

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/iraq2003/morris/3.html

The guy on the right, smiling with the MRE is me.
Oh and before anyone says anything, no the SAW is not pointing at me.

This guy was my prisoner. Id'd as Iraqi Lt.
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/iraq2003/morris/10.html

jerkface11
March 2, 2009, 12:30 PM
Which two wars did the M16 lose? Did I miss some history somewhere?

USSR
March 2, 2009, 01:01 PM
Let's see -- Rifle chambered for varmint cartridge .vs rifle chambered for big game cartridge, varmint cartridge or big game cartridge. Sorry, but I'm not into small caliber varmint rounds.

Don

61chalk
March 2, 2009, 02:56 PM
Ya,....what 2 wars were lost...? You know I still
love my AR, BUT, there is a reason why the military
is FINALLY looking an using the 6.8mm bullet...better
50 yrs. late than never right. I hear the Special Forces
that have them, love them.

wally
March 2, 2009, 03:11 PM
Pride of ownership, its my DCM M1D.

But for practical shooting, the AR wins on ammo costs and spare parts availability.

--wally.

Reid73
March 2, 2009, 03:15 PM
Vietnam and Iraq.

I would buy an AR before I would buy a garand, simply because it is a more "practical" rifle, IMHO.Practical for foxes and groundhogs! ;)

C-grunt
March 2, 2009, 03:28 PM
So how did the M16 lose Iraq? On that thought how did the military lose Iraq? Are you basing this statement on actual experience there or from the media who doesnt know what they are talking about regarding the place?

61chalk
March 2, 2009, 03:28 PM
Vietnam an Iraq...?...your joking right...?

helz_mcfugly
March 2, 2009, 03:33 PM
We lost in Iraq? did you hear that from this guy?
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/E/8/baghdadbob.jpg

C-grunt
March 2, 2009, 03:38 PM
The only thing the M16 is losing in Iraq is weight. Those mags get lighter when your kicking @ss.

Slinky
March 2, 2009, 03:42 PM
Had you said Afgahnistan you might have a point, but even there the war is far from lost.

As for the orginal question I like this comment...
...it's like asking 69 camaro, or 2005 civic?

The Civic will get you where you're going but the Camero will make you smile? :D

husker
March 2, 2009, 04:07 PM
WOW! its a race to the finish. i really thought MR. AR-15 would pull away. Hell hes losein. if he has to lose i cant think of a better rifle to fall to than the old garand

lead-inspector
March 2, 2009, 04:20 PM
It's a hard choice, but I have to vote for the AR-15 only because of the magazine. The ability to top off the rifle during an engagement lull is very important. The M-1 can be topped off but it is very awkward due to the loose rounds and enblock clip. If the choice was AR vs M-14 (m1a) I would take the extra power of 7.62.

Steve

n00b
March 2, 2009, 04:34 PM
If you had to carry 800rounds of one rifle or the other in order to use on those bad guys you would go with the AR-15...

And then if you want the "extra power" you buy match ammo in 75-77 grains... and now you can shoot 1000yards with your AR too...

http://www.sniperinfo.com/showthread.php?t=7

n00b
March 2, 2009, 04:39 PM
And if the special forces (who can use anything they want) choose an AR platform for most misions... Who am I to say they are wrong?

Sometimes they take an M21 or similar but most of the time their carry weapon of CHOICE is an AR platform... that says alot.

CoRoMo
March 2, 2009, 04:39 PM
+1 AR

Dozens of different uppers and hundreds of magazines.

Lost in Iraq?
Is our military imprisoned there currently awaiting concessions by our government?
Nope, I didn't think so either.
They are there today wielding complete control of that country.
How is that a loss??

Cerca Trova
March 2, 2009, 09:53 PM
Have both
Garand first... Greatest generation saved the planet with it. Hold it, shoot it, feel the history.
AR-15 Next... The evolution of America's battle rifle. Capacity, accuracy and design. The fact that the gun-grabbing, bedwetting types are paralyzed with fear over the EBR is, just a plus.

Almond27
March 2, 2009, 10:31 PM
Garand I like a rifle with some knock down power not a paper puncher. Just my opinion so get your panties in a knot fellas.

Eightball
March 2, 2009, 10:50 PM
I voted Garand, assuming the OP meant "in one configuration", soas to keep the options "similar;" also, if I were restricted to only owning one or the other, the Garand would be a better "game getter"....because if '06 wouldn't take it out, you could then bayonet whatever it is to death, and if that doesn't work, you can always use the good ol' fashioned butt-stroke.

But, if caliber switching/only owning one "lower" for an AR is what the OP meant, I would vote for the AR.....because the ability to make it a .22 in a .223 barrel could make it really freakin' potent for any and all uses if bad things happen.

That being said, my 1942 SA Garand has some more soul to it than my RRA AR15.

Anyname
March 2, 2009, 10:53 PM
Shooting or collecting? For collecting its more open to preference, but for general shooting AR-15s can be readily scoped, cheaper to shoot (even with quality ammo) and lots easier to modify for accuracy.

FlyinBryan
March 2, 2009, 10:57 PM
Shooting or collecting? For collecting its more open to preference, but for general shooting AR-15s can be readily scoped, cheaper to shoot (even with quality ammo) and lots easier to modify for accuracy.


how are they cheaper to shoot?

f8talh8red
March 2, 2009, 11:33 PM
like what was said before. the high cap mags. customization. and the fact you can switch uppers. i think we know who the winner is.


AR-15 all the way

FlyinBryan
March 3, 2009, 12:12 AM
i think we know who the winner is.


i must inform you the poll suggests otherwise.

im all for them too though, i own one, and no garand as of yet, but that is in the works.

Ian
March 3, 2009, 12:37 AM
If a tricked out, scoped AR is a valid choice, then my scoped, tricked out M1 must also be a valid choice. Garand all the way. :)

FlyinBryan
March 3, 2009, 12:47 AM
If a tricked out, scoped AR is a valid choice, then my scoped, tricked out M1 must also be a valid choice. Garand all the way.

hey ian, that must be a beast.

what kind of accuracy are you getting out of that bad boy?

Ian
March 3, 2009, 01:04 AM
She's hardly a beast - rather a wicked svelte piece of rifle (18 inch barrel). Haven't done much shooting since I mounted the scope (a 2-7x Burris pistol scope), but before that I was able to put 7 of 8 in a silhouette at 600 yards prone with the irons. On a bullseye she'll do a little under 2 MOA with surplus .308, which is all I would ask of her.

I call her Sekhmet. :cool:

benzy2
March 3, 2009, 01:41 AM
There is a big difference between the two. Is this a rifle I have to survive the wilderness with? Is this a rifle I have to survive urban combat with? Is this just a rifle to play around with on the weekends? It all changes the answer a bit. If I were relying on it to take game out in survival mode (not against people, just nature) I would go garand. Living in Ohio I can't hunt deer with a centerfire rifle so that leaves me with varmint hunting in which case I'll take the AR. If I had to go clear buildings I would pick the AR. If I was just picking up a rifle to go to the range and blast, well that would be a real tough call and I think one of each would be in order. In fact now that it gets brought up over the last 3 months I have been trying to think of a good next rifle. I have one of the two, now its time for the other. I can't think of anything better to go in the safe. I'm glad I came into this thread.

woodchuck315
March 3, 2009, 01:56 AM
Garand. That Grizzly is gonna just get madder when you shoot .223 into him.

I have shot both, AR's are fun, but nothing at all compared to a Garand and the '06. The Garand kinda looses on capacity, but at the same time ejects the clip and all ya gotta do is slam another one down into the gun and rack the bolt...The M1A might be a better choice, .308 still better than .223

800 rounds you would be carrying in some kind of backpack, preferably external frame. Ill take 800 rounds of '06 over 800 rounds of .223. More expensive, yes, way more knockdown power.

Oh, but I do just LOVE walnut on a gun, so AR loses there. The only plastic guns I can handle owning are my Kel-tec P-11 and my ruger 22/45.

but everyone has their own opinion. Id have to say an army of Garands vs an army of AR's would stand a better chance, all things equal, ESPECIALLY in the woods, where a small tree would deflect/stop a .223 round.

Urban fighting, yea the AR would easily win...I not an urbanite however...

USSR
March 3, 2009, 08:58 AM
And then if you want the "extra power" you buy match ammo in 75-77 grains... and now you can shoot 1000yards with your AR too...

I shoot at 1000 yards fairly regularly, and nobody comes to the line with a .223, 75-77 grain match ammo or otherwise.

Don

Schofield
March 3, 2009, 06:07 PM
I've already given my opinion but I think I need to give more reasons why the Garand is better than the AR. 1. If you wouldn't trust it to hunt big game then why would you trust it to shoot someone that is shooting at you? 2. I have heard on many accounts of U.S. soldiers having their family send them other rifles because the M16s jam like heck. And isn't the AR basically a semi-auto M16? 3. The M1 Garand is much better looking than the AR. 4. Like many have said, "If you can see it, you can shoot it with a Garand." 5. What AR boast a lot about is range. Well what the heck is range gonna do when you are shooting .223? NOTHING! It is a pee shooter. When you are shooting long distance you want some mass to the projectile. Why else do snipers have those freakin' huge rounds? 6. I think it was John Wayne that said, "Bring enough gun." .223 is not enough gun. M1 GARAND ALL THE WAY!!!!!

Schofield
March 3, 2009, 06:09 PM
AR is a misfit really. Its ammo isn't cheap enough to be considered a real plinker and it doesn't have enough power to be considered a real man's rifle.

UpTheIrons
March 3, 2009, 06:25 PM
Had to go with the Garand.

If the SHTF, and all goes to pot and the gun cannot be cleaned as regularly as needed, I believe the Garand would keep running, eeven if its dirty and muddy. The AR, while a finely crafted machine, just might jam up with all that gunk and goo oozing into the tight tolerances.

So, if I have to get out and kill zombies in the hills for an extended period, I'll take the Garand -- plus, as has been said, it makes a nice CQC club!

Still, I'd like to have both on hand, and hope to, before the AWB heads our way.

Atticum
March 3, 2009, 06:28 PM
FlyingBrian I congratulate you on the most epic poll I have witnessed on THR.

Schofield
March 3, 2009, 06:33 PM
The battle between kids(ARs) and adults(Garands). Not based on maturity, just age of rifles...

DocBoCook
March 3, 2009, 06:55 PM
Garand. But if I had a choice, it would be the M14. First Rifle I qualled on. Still in love with it

DC300a
March 3, 2009, 07:15 PM
Garand.

It's getting tight....

DocBoCook
March 3, 2009, 07:16 PM
DC300a, you wrote garand, but the Garand total did not change and the AR group gained one. WTH?

7tmuscle
March 3, 2009, 07:19 PM
well in the political climate we are in, you are better off with the M1 Garand, it's going to be hard to ban this rifle...the AR15 will be the first to be banned if the present administration has it's way

DocBoCook
March 3, 2009, 07:20 PM
again, actually click the poll, so that your vote is reflected

DC300a
March 3, 2009, 07:42 PM
I clicked Garand.

I am not sure what to tell you. When I look at the poll the Garand is in italics indicating that that is the one I voted for.

Then again I voted and then read through the entire thread before I actually posted... that might have something to do with it....

yosarian
March 3, 2009, 07:52 PM
AR-lighter gun,lighter ammo,more ergonomic.imo

Reid73
March 3, 2009, 07:53 PM
Vietnam an Iraq...?...your joking right...?Sir, I am not joking, but if you wish to believe that those wars were successes then you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

At any rate I have no desire to turn this thread into a political argument. We're all friends here.

fatelk
March 3, 2009, 08:08 PM
If you could have only one, which would you have: an apple or an orange?

I'll have an apple, because I like apples. The M1 is my choice.

I like it for the history, the design, the caliber. I also tend to appreciate wood and blue steel on a rifle too, as opposed to annodized aluminum and plastic, but that's just me.

Great poll, by the way.

as37692
March 3, 2009, 09:58 PM
I have heard on many accounts of U.S. soldiers having their family send them other rifles because the M16s jam like heck.

Wow! Schofield that is really fun I’ve done two tours in IRAQ and carried an M4 and an M16A4 and never once did ether of them JAM on Me, in training or in Combat.
And for what you said about U.S. Soldiers having there family’s send them rifles because there M16s did not work is even funnier. That is seeing that if they carried a personal owned weapon over seas it would just about be a automatic Article-15, loss of rank and most lickly the start of the end of there life in the U.S. Military.
This is not the military of 10 or 20 years ago, you try and carry a personal owned weapon and your higher finds out about it and your done.

husker
March 3, 2009, 11:14 PM
just wanna say to all who serv or have severed or will be serving God bless, KICK ASS, AND A BIG THANK YOU for protecting us and our rights

vfarmer01
March 3, 2009, 11:47 PM
Absolutely the Garand. Owned AR-15, traded for shotgun. Kept Garand lots of fun to shoot. No comparison. No rifle can compare to it. Definetly a conversation piece at the range.

Frightener 88
March 3, 2009, 11:55 PM
I voted ar 15. The garand tends to has catastrophic failures with "commercial" ammunition. pass.

orionengnr
March 4, 2009, 12:00 AM
I love the fact that the poll is just about 50/50 right now. I'd pick the...
Nah, I'll just take an AR-10. :)
Is that a compromise? Maybe, but not a bad one, IMHO.

helz_mcfugly
March 4, 2009, 12:09 AM
Mark offered to sell me his .308 garand match rifle he built in the service for $1100. Its a badusy rifle. but if I got a garand I would want it in 30-06. so I said, "how bout that M1a-m14 over there in the corner" and he said yea Ill think about it. so looks like I might have yet another .308 soon.

FlyinBryan
March 4, 2009, 12:14 AM
wow!

incredibly close.

no wonder i feel short handed only owning one of them.

chuckusaret
March 4, 2009, 12:20 AM
I'll take them M1 and take the bad guy out at 600 yds or more

I have heard on many accounts of U.S. soldiers having their family send them other rifles because the M16s jam like heck.

That is the most BS that I have heard in a long time. I carried a M16 in Vietnam, it was seldom cleaned and when it was the whole weapon was dunked in solvent and allowed to drip dry and then sprayed with a light oil and it never failed to fire.

threefeathers
March 4, 2009, 12:28 AM
But I own 2 Garands, 4 M1A's and 7 AR's, and 2 03's.

helz_mcfugly
March 4, 2009, 12:40 AM
yea Bryan but you own a 7.62x59 rifle that cost less then a tank of gas. lol

Marathonman
March 4, 2009, 01:23 AM
If I was hunting bunnies then .223! Otherwise Garand.

I'm sure there's an equivalent poll - 1911 or Beretta M9. Unfortunately, we do not always move forward.

FlyinBryan
March 4, 2009, 01:39 AM
yea Bryan but you own a 7.62x59 rifle that cost less then a tank of gas. lol


ya, and i like it too.

but now i want another rifle that costs as much as a tank of gas.

a 1000 gallon tank.

jerkface11
March 4, 2009, 01:43 AM
At any rate I have no desire to turn this thread into a political argument. We're all friends here.

Then why do you keep trying to do it?

Schofield
March 4, 2009, 02:04 AM
Wow! Schofield that is really fun I’ve done two tours in IRAQ and carried an M4 and an M16A4 and never once did ether of them JAM on Me, in training or in Combat.
And for what you said about U.S. Soldiers having there family’s send them rifles because there M16s did not work is even funnier. That is seeing that if they carried a personal owned weapon over seas it would just about be a automatic Article-15, loss of rank and most lickly the start of the end of there life in the U.S. Military.
This is not the military of 10 or 20 years ago, you try and carry a personal owned weapon and your higher finds out about it and your done. Whoa! Settle down, that's just what I've heard (on many accounts), so it is not like I'm lying to your face. That is the most BS that I have heard in a long time. I carried a M16 in Vietnam, it was seldom cleaned and when it was the whole weapon was dunked in solvent and allowed to drip dry and then sprayed with a light oil and it never failed to fire. And again, Whoa! That's just what I've heard a lot and also Vietnam's climate is very different from Iraq's climate which has a lot to do with changing a guns functionality. It takes a very fine firearm to not be effected by climate...like the Browning 50 machine gun.

freakshow10mm
March 4, 2009, 02:05 AM
AR15 is plenty more versatile. In the Garand, you're stuck with the .30-06.

lionking
March 4, 2009, 02:21 AM
QUOTE "FlyingBrian I congratulate you on the most epic poll I have witnessed on THR."




A long time ago there was a epic thread and poll asking "what is the most recognized handgun" or maybe it was "what handgun defines American" I dont remember but it was a great debate over the Colt single action and Colt M1911.;)

Schofield
March 4, 2009, 02:38 AM
http://neveryetmelted.com/2005/11/10/report-from-a-marine-in-iraq/REPORT FROM A MARINE IN IRAQ
.45 ACP, 5.56mm, 9mm Parabellum, AK47, Barrett .50 Rifle, Iraq, M-14 Rifle, M-16 Assault Rifle, M-24 Rifle, M2 .50 cal Machine Gun, M240 Machine Gun, M243 SAW, M9 Beretta, USMC, War on Terror, Weapons Systems

Posted on FREE REPUBLIC by Infantry Marine, who asks that it be passed along:


Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son Jordan, who was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a little thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a second tour in early ‘06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more years. He loves the Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.

Jordan spent 7 months at “Camp Blue Diamond” in Ramadi. Aka: Fort Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine with a bird’s eye view’s opinions:

1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it’s lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the Picatinny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.
There's one place I've heard it. Just thought I ought to mention. Oh and comment on the post just before me I think the Colt...ooh that's a tough one.

Nevertoomanyguns
March 4, 2009, 11:10 AM
I own 3 AR's and one Garand. I voted for the M1 Garand. I would like to know where you are finding this cheap AR ammo. I reload my .223 But I buy my Garand ammo from the CMP for $67 per 240 rounds. .223 ammo is not that cheap.

Anyone who says that an M1 Garand is ugly needs to have their head checked.

I was in the Infantry and carried M4's and M16's and never experienced any problems with it, I'd just feel better off with and 06 round versus a 5.56 any day. I've shot trees on my property with the 5.56 12" in diameter no penitration, and I have shot trees up to 2' in diameter with the M1 garand complete pass through. What's consider cover for the 5.56mm is only concealment for the 30-06.

Granted I love my Ar's but in a u know what hits the fan I'm grabbing my Garand.

I'm only 27 so its not just old guys that appreciate the ole M1 Garand.

CWL
March 4, 2009, 06:19 PM
Schofeld, you need to stop passing along hearsay. Even your "documentation" is not a first person account.

Stick around THR and try to read what people are posting, you will find that there are many here who have indeed BTDT and are willing to share their experiences.

mcwjr13
March 4, 2009, 06:53 PM
Ar-15 just fits my wants and needs better.

Boats
March 4, 2009, 07:13 PM
http://www.ramasscreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/torino.jpg

"GET OFF MY LAWN. . .":cool:

Poor East Texan
March 4, 2009, 09:01 PM
Love that pic! ^

d2wing
March 4, 2009, 09:01 PM
I sold my Garand and bought an AR. Not that I didn't love the Garand. No doubt the Garand is more lethal but it is just too heavy for hunting for me.
I have other high power rifles that are more useful. But I wouldn't fault anyone for chosing the Garand. The AR is much lighter, is as accurate at hunting ranges and will kill everything I hunt effectively.

husker
March 4, 2009, 09:34 PM
well Al Burnstien the first 5 rounds have been dead even. ya husker its a fight that could go down as one of the best of all times.ya no AL? GRAND my have lost his speed. but his KO power. well that never goes away. yes husker. it will be up to MR AR-15 to stick and move and keep the pressure on GRAND and take it to the later rounds. thats right AL. the later rounds should favor AR-15. back to you Al for round 6

SimpleIsGood229
March 4, 2009, 10:01 PM
I'm perfectly happy with my Saiga as my primary defense rifle, so I just have to vote for the Garand. If I had some disposable cash, I'd have one in a heartbeat.

usmcskeet
March 4, 2009, 11:20 PM
garand... just cause i work on m4 and m16 all day and they are plastic and aluminum crap. and worse is the people that put 3 flashlights, 4 lasers, eotech, eotech magn., ipod holder and built in speakers on them. keep it old school. iron sights

gga357
March 5, 2009, 12:50 AM
Love the pic! Clint and many others love the Garand. I am 36 and have 2 Garands.

gga357
March 5, 2009, 12:52 AM
I would take my Ruger Vaqueros over a 1911 too. Both in .45 ;) love these polls and debates.

C-grunt
March 5, 2009, 01:15 AM
SCHOFIELD As a guy who, has spent two tours in Iraq as an Army Infantryman, has a brother in law that spent a year there as Marine Infantry, and has several friends who still go over with various infantry units and Special Forces..... I can truthfully tell you that the so called "report" from the "marine" is complete BS.

The only weapon that was having problems was the SAW. But they re fit them with the new shorter barrels that have the fixed gas system, and at least with my unit, the problems went away. I have never met an Iraqi vet who stated he had problems with his M16/4 or the 5.56.

I have however heard many stories in gunshops, via 15th party, that the 5.56 isnt putting down the bad guys and the M16 is failing miserably. Both of these are completely wrong.

helz_mcfugly
March 5, 2009, 01:26 AM
AR15 is plenty more versatile. In the Garand, you're stuck with the .30-06.

nah, you're not stuck, you cna get it in a few different configs. just yesterday i was offered a match garand in .308 for $1100. man was it nice. but he also had a M1a/M14 in his pile and I want that more then a garand in .308. so which ever comes along first, him letting go of that opulent m14 or me finding a garand in perfect shape. oh and FlaminBryan, turn on your fuggin yahoo thing or im going to turn it on for you

BrokenButterfly
March 5, 2009, 01:46 AM
Wow! Poor Schofield. Anywho I pick Garand because that is an awesome picture^ of Clint Eastwood and it it is just more awesomer.

FlyinBryan
March 5, 2009, 01:48 AM
lol@ helz.

you shoulda told me it was off when you brought the new ar over yesterday.

and as for my poll,

i am shocked the garand and ar have neck and neck from the beginning till now.

i honestly figured the ar would blow the garand out of the water.

i guess it really says a lot for the old war horse.

it is definitly a powerhouse that demands respect.

im impressed and its really got me wanting one, just to feel the power.

eldiabloe1
March 5, 2009, 02:04 AM
I vote for the Garand because of sheer power and classic design.

Legionnaire
March 5, 2009, 09:43 AM
Love the Garand; voted AR.

Deckard
March 5, 2009, 11:23 PM
Garand: history, powerful cartridge, cheap surplus ammo, accurate, beautiful, and tougher than nails, 'nuff said.

Maddogkiller
March 6, 2009, 12:29 AM
US RIFLE Cal 30 M1

Remington 700
March 6, 2009, 01:17 AM
AR15 over M1 HOWEVER M-1A/M-14 over any semi-auto, Power and range

sh3rm4nt4nk
March 6, 2009, 02:47 AM
I voted Garand, though I'd more likely drop my cash on an AR in .308 or .243.
Just like if you asked '64 mustang or 2010 mustang I'd vote '64 but more likely be driving the 2010 every day. I want the classy & powerful but I've a weakness for comfortable and modern......
Very cool pole.

j-easy
March 6, 2009, 02:52 AM
i voted garand, amazing rifle

pt6998
March 6, 2009, 03:55 AM
I have shot my friends Smith and Wesson Ar-15 with his tacticool Crossfire tactical frontgrip light and green dot scope. I do admit the weapon looks good, but I still prefer my service grade 1944 M1 bought from the CMP.
Also he has spent nearly $2,000 on his rifle alone and I shoot a whole lot better then him with just my plane M1 that cost $595! I am also 22 and prefer the Garand over a lot of my other peers that go for the Call of Duty 4 style black rifles.

sh3rm4nt4nk
March 6, 2009, 04:09 AM
Is the AR15 strictly .223? Are we comparing the AR platform to the Garand or just the 5.56/.223 AR's? I'm stickin with the Garand either way. Might affect the pole though.

Boba Fett
March 6, 2009, 01:54 PM
As I understand it, the AR-15 is only 5.56/223.

They have other AR-15 "style" rifles, but they have a different designation.

For example RRA designates their rifles:

5.56/223 is the LAR-15
.308/7.62 is the LAR-8
9mm is the LAR-9
6.8 SPC is the LAR-6.8
.458 SOCOM is the LAR-458

But they all look like your basic AR-15.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm

helz_mcfugly
March 8, 2009, 04:59 PM
WOW, this is a close poll. almost 350 votes and its been this close the whole time.

FlyinBryan
March 8, 2009, 07:52 PM
ya, ive never seen a poll that got this many votes that stayed this close the whole time.

i dont think ive seen one have a lead larger than 5 votes from the 1st vote till now.

its also amazing to me that the two entries are so different and still have such equal fan base.

to be honest, im surprised the ar15 hasnt blown the garand away.

i guess it makes sense though. if you think about it, the garand is some serious firepower.

8 rounds of 30-06, and being able to controllably fire them rapidly,,,,,wow.

serious destruction to whatever is on the unlucky end.

ive got to have one.

i brought home some 30-06 brass from the range yesterday and it totally dwarfs the mosin brass ive got.

it looks like an artillary shell compared everything ive shot

jaimeshawn3
March 8, 2009, 10:11 PM
AR style rifle will be much easier to shot accurately if doing HiPower; OTOH, I love my Garand. Great sights, serious bullet energy, double-plus reliable, and if you handload, versatile and reasonable $ to shoot.

helz_mcfugly
March 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
how bout a AR platform in 30-06?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/977002351/Guns/Rifles/AR-15-Rifles-Small-Manufacturers/Cobb_MCR_30_06.htm

FlyinBryan
March 9, 2009, 02:58 AM
that 30-06 ar looks like it would be pretty good.

that one is sold and all the others ive seen are about 3200 bux.

they use the b.a.r. mags.

Ignition Override
March 9, 2009, 06:47 PM
CWL:
We were delayed by a long chain of thunderstorms in MCI last summer, and one of our passengers, a young veteran of Iraq, paused outside the cabin door.
He told me that being in a firefight really changes one's view of life. His base is Ft. Riley, KS.

Anyway, I asked him how dependable his rifles were.
This was his "first person" response:
'Well, our rifles jam with just one grain of sand".

Those were his words, not mine, but we all know that there can always be more to a story.

matrem
March 9, 2009, 07:52 PM
Can we all agree to do our best at obtaining at least one of each?

Dirt
March 9, 2009, 08:08 PM
I have both, but ARs can be had in 308..., and parts are plentiful. LOL!

My restored Garand does sit on the mantle, not one of the ARs.

If I have an issue, I'll grab AR before M1.

Dirt

eta: Not to show my age, but I come from the last days of te GARAND. She is beautifull.

61chalk
March 9, 2009, 08:40 PM
matrem....I agree! Great Idea...I have a AR, I will try an make my next gun a CMP Garand....wouldn't it be cool if everyone that voted would buy an have both....any other takers?

Poor East Texan
March 9, 2009, 10:39 PM
There is more than a bit of truth in my handle.

I don't own either, but Garand would be first!

helz_mcfugly
March 9, 2009, 11:47 PM
'Well, our rifles jam with just one grain of sand".

Ive talked to a few of the guys that have come back from the middle east and they all say the same thing your friend did pretty much. one said "you HAVE to keep your Rifle clean or pick up an AK for backup if you dont mind humping it along and catching h311 from you CO."

I think the garand is probably as reliable as the AK is in dirty enviroment.

taliv
March 9, 2009, 11:50 PM
you guys must be talking to different people than I talk to.

helz_mcfugly
March 10, 2009, 10:24 AM
I have an AR. Ide be willing to toss it in the sand in the name of science and see what it does. Ive seen a guy through one in a mud puddle and pick it up and fire it with no jams. Im just telling you what I was told from a troop that was over there. Im sure there are alot who had no problems with them. lets take this question to the thread below.

I posted a thread that should clear up how the AR stood up in the sand box. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5411192#post5411192

Seattleimport
March 10, 2009, 04:27 PM
This thread has inspired a yearning for a garand. What is this CMP that people keep referencing for cheap weapons and ammunition?

Also, which is easier to carry/shoot: M1A or Garand?

taliv
March 10, 2009, 04:32 PM
Civilian Marksmanship Program

go to odcmp.org for more info

AWP79
March 10, 2009, 04:57 PM
Garand cause I love mine.

FlyinBryan
March 16, 2009, 03:24 AM
after owning and shooting mine now, i can understand the close voting on this here poll.

pretty good sample size too.

benzy2
March 16, 2009, 09:47 PM
Well I just bought a Garand and when comparing it to my AR they certainly both have their pluses and I can see the vote for either. I see personally having more uses for the AR but the Garand to me has more personality. The AR feels like a tool. The Garand feels like an extension of myself. It all depends on what you want and I would hate to only have one now that I have had both.

sh3rm4nt4nk
April 4, 2009, 03:31 AM
I have niether but now I MUST BUY BOTH....soon as I got the money

Mr. T
April 4, 2009, 05:18 AM
I would own one if I could find one in decent shape for less than $1500; the 30.06 round has so many variations and is such a utility caliber it's hard not to go with it based just on that. However the Garand is going to be considerably heavier and you won't be able to carry as much ammo -- I guess it depends on what kind of situation you are going to be in. Keep in mind that General Patton said that it was the greatest weapon of World War II and that's saying alot. I like the fact that you could fire AP rounds out it in 30.06 caliber and it could shred any standard vehicle in short order. Not sure that the 5.56/.223 round would be able to do the same type of damage all things considered. I voted for the Garand.

skidooman603
April 4, 2009, 07:12 AM
I couldn't vote. That would be like saying which one of your kids you love most. Same but different. Many of both in my safe and they all see the light often. Patton did say" The GREATEST Battle implement ever devised" for a reason. But for a plain old fire fight, accuracy and firing rate would have to win out.

JWJacobVT
April 4, 2009, 07:42 AM
After carrying and using an AR for 25 years, I do not own one. My wife has one(less kick etc for her) as I prefer my Garand or my M1A1. If I have to shoot 223, I use my mini 14.

Dark Skies
April 4, 2009, 08:03 AM
I voted AR15 because parts and ammo are so easy to get. BUT ... I'd love an M1 to go along with my Lee Enfield and Nagant. They're the guns that put the Nazis back where they belonged - in a hole in the ground.

skidooman603
April 4, 2009, 04:48 PM
The Garand put the Nazi's back in their holes and .223 brass is a whole lot harder to come by than 30-06 these days. Just my opinion :):)

FlyinBryan
June 12, 2009, 01:44 AM
its amazing to me that even with the surge in popularity of the ar15 rifle, that the garand has led this poll just about the entire time.

we didnt have a garand when i posted this poll.

now i have 2.

Ignition Override
June 12, 2009, 03:11 AM
skiddoo: Yes.

After standing in the actual fox holes of the 101st Airborne's E and F Companies, outside Bastogne during an excellent guided tour back in May, there was no doubt in my mind. The tours are hosted by Mr. Reg Jaans in his personal van, and he was somewhere on "Youtube" (also linked on the web, within Normandy's "Battlebus").
He knows some veterans personally, and has studied their experiences in order to let you stand where actual skirmishes/battles happened and understand what these heroes did.

The classic Garand (30-06) with wood always appealed to me much more than a polymer rifle in .223.

I wonder how a semi-automatic AR-15 (powerful .223) would have done in the dirty subzero foxholes against the Wehrmacht's 8mm Mauser rifles during the encirclement (Einkreisung), but am new at this and won't comment.
Won't "tread on delicate toes".

Troy308
June 12, 2009, 04:57 AM
Garand. 30-06 round is more plentiful and powerful and many different loads. You can get bulk ball ammo through the CMP. 8 months ago it cost around 25 cents a round through the CMP. I'm sure it has gone up and there is a waiting list. The Garand needs less maintenance and cleaning to keep it functioning properly. It is definitely a lot heavier than an AR.

krs
June 12, 2009, 09:17 AM
"It [a Garand rifle] is definitely a lot heavier than an AR."

Not so much heavier once all of the "necessary" accoutrements are added to an AR-15. The light(s), the vertical grip, the heavy optics, and batteries, never forget the batteries..

A Garand rifle is ready to go out of the box and will fire effectively to 800 yards on it's basic sight settings and with service ammo.

H2O MAN
June 12, 2009, 09:23 AM
AR or Garand? Neither.

I prefer the M14 with an 18" barrel.

Poor East Texan
June 12, 2009, 11:35 PM
^ goes without saying except thread title suggests one or the other...

Tim the student
June 12, 2009, 11:55 PM
Garand. A classier way to kill an enemy of your country. They were good enough to volunteer to die, might as well show them some respect.

FlyinBryan
June 12, 2009, 11:58 PM
I prefer the M14 with an 18" barrel.

funny you should mention that, i know someone who has an unfired springfield m1a national match that he said i could relieve him of for 1300 bux.

he also has an unfired standard model that he said i could have for 1100, also a springer.

im seriously considering the nm model.

sharps59
June 13, 2009, 12:10 AM
one word <ping>

P.B.Walsh
June 13, 2009, 12:39 AM
AR15, because of versitility.

But the Grand is a CLASSIC, the AR can never ever touch in that criteria.

ChCx2744
July 6, 2009, 12:57 PM
Never shot a Garand before...So I voted AR...If I shoot a Garand then the descision might change, but I need to stick with what I know for now :)

Mt.Traverse
July 17, 2009, 12:49 AM
+1 to RP88

Harve Curry
July 17, 2009, 01:03 AM
:)"one word ping":D

As long as getting ammo is not a problem I'll take the M1 Garand.

DMK
July 17, 2009, 10:43 AM
I own and love both. I have no wish to give up either. Both have great sights, fun to shoot and are 100% reliable.

However, from a practical standpoint, if I had to just keep one, it would be an AR15. If I wanted a collectible, I'd keep just the Garand, it's rich with history and sentimentality. However, the AR15 is more accurate, easier to shoot, easier to clean, lighter weight, much, much more versatile with switchable uppers, different calibers and bolt on accessories available.

The Garand has longer range and shoots more powerful ammo, but quite honestly I don't "need" the power or range of 30 cal. For my uses, I can't envision a situation where .223/5.56 wouldn't suffice.

http://mysite.verizon.net/dmk0210/myarms/AR15A2.jpg
"AR15A2", that I built myself

http://mysite.verizon.net/dmk0210/myarms/Garand1.jpg
1943 Springfield CMP gun, rebuild by Deans Gun Restorations and converted to 308/7.62x51

stubbicatt
July 17, 2009, 12:14 PM
I voted Garand. I like the Garand. But mostly, I don't like the AR15, so if it were a choice between the AR15 and a slingshot, I would have had to ask, "what kind of slingshot?"

Griff56
July 17, 2009, 12:34 PM
I voted for the M1 Garand.

I noticed that the count is very close. I suspect that lines are drawn on what Uncle Sam issued to you if you served in the armed services. I was in the infantry waaaaay back in 1958-1960. We were issued the last go around for the M1 Garands before the Army decided to issue the M 14 (7.62 x 51).

That being said, as a gunner on an .81 mm mortar, I was issued a .45 sidearm.


I also have a warm spot in my heart for the 30-06 cartridge. Considering how old it is it can still get the job done. I feel that the DD did the ground troops a disservice when they went away from the .30 caliber round, but that is just my opinion.

middy
July 17, 2009, 12:41 PM
If I were a soldier, I would pick the AR, but I'm not.

The Garand is much more practical for me because it's a much better rifle for hunting large game.

MacTech
July 17, 2009, 05:07 PM
I prefer the machine that goes *PING!* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc);)

I don't have a Garand, yet, but I really want one, I've fired the AR-15, it's a nice weapon for sure, but I'm just not interested in owning one

61chalk
July 17, 2009, 05:38 PM
When I first posted, I didn't have a Garand yet....I do now! Was in the service an have had a AR since 1980....many good things about my AR I love, but I hold this CMP Garand, an look at the new walnut wood on it, I look down at the 6 digit serial #, made in Oct. of 1942, an I wonder in awe at the places or fire fights its been through, I feel the power an see the damage of a 30/06.....I can see myself selling the AR if I needed money, no big deal.....but not this Garand, what did I vote for..?......"Ping"
If you own a AR, an never shot a Garand....please do yourself a favour, get a CMP Garand, I have no regrets.

Flyboy
July 18, 2009, 12:45 AM
well, thats an easy one. i voted ar15. mostly because almost all (including our beloved garand) old military rifles are butt ugly the ar, is no beauty queen, but at least it looks decent
moooose, I was just looking through my closet, and I happened to discover that I have a rope here with your name on it.

Garands ugly? Bloody heretic!

:neener:

RX-178
July 18, 2009, 01:00 AM
Lordy lordy lordy, this is as tough a choice as has ever been presented to me.

I guess it would come down to the nature of the question being asked.

If I could only own one or the other, but could have any OTHER rifles I wanted? I'd go with the Garand. Plenty of other .223s out there I'd be happy with.

If I could only have one or the other, with no other weapons? I'd go with the AR. It's just too much more versatile than the Garand.

Arkel23
July 18, 2009, 03:32 PM
I hate hearing about AR's and Ak's so the M1 has my vote.

Quoheleth
July 26, 2009, 01:05 AM
This one's tough. I have an AR - wanted to get an EBR before I couldn't. I want a Garand for its historicity (is that a word?), power, elegance and doggone rugged good looks. Hey - I also want a '69 Dodge Charger for the same reasons. :rolleyes:

But when I balance $600 for a service grade Garand plus ammo ($800 easy) vs. what else I can buy for $600 (Ciener .22 kit for my AR, holsters for CCW, a pot-wad of ammo or components, and maybe even a used .22 rifle or pistol for my daughter) it gets tougher.

One day, I think I'll blow the wad and get the Garand. Next day I think I'll get the Ciener (or other) conversion and other stuff.

Sigh...I guess I'll see what the mileage reimbursement is this month and go from there. Anyone want to offer their 2 cents for me to ponder late at night?

Q

FlyinBryan
July 26, 2009, 01:28 AM
Sigh...I guess I'll see what the mileage reimbursement is this month and go from there. Anyone want to offer their 2 cents for me to ponder late at night?

lol, ya, its a decision that can drive you nuts!!!!!

all i can offer on the subject is what my own experience has been.

ive own ar15's for years, and have never had a doubt in my mind that they would always be my favorite rifles.

i kicked the idea of getting a garand around in my head for months before i did it. i just couldnt convince myself that the old workhorse would get enough range time. you know, its a very high powered cartridge, its a heavy beast, its an 80 year old design, after hearing everyones ar's and ak's at the range the garand sounds more like artillary than a rifle. i wondered how i could ever be accurate with it, getting used to the recoil, etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,

then i just jumped in with both feet.

now i cant put the thing down. the old rifles accuracy inspires confidence when you shoot it. recoil is nothing like a 30-06 bolt gun, not even close. it feels so solid. it is amazingly accurate. most groups at 50yds are one big demolished area on the bull. its heavy, but it is balanced so well you would think it was designed to point first, and then they figured out a way to make bullets fly out of it.

now its very common for me to pack up to go shoot and dont even bother to grab my ar15's. (but i still love my ar's, but my garands have definitely became my favorite shooters. (power, power, power)

they are incredibly addictive.

Tim the student
July 26, 2009, 01:31 AM
they are incredibly addictive.

Yup. I have an AR, and a Garand. I am all but certain that the next gun I buy will be a Special Grade. Maybe not, but it will be a Garand, and hopefully a carbine on the same trip.

FlyinBryan
July 26, 2009, 01:42 AM
carbine on the same trip.

ya, me too. i fiddled around with the carbines while we were there getting the garands. those little rifles just feel too nice not to try to get one or two.

they feel really nimble and quick. i did some checking on the ballistic performance on the 30 carbine and its actually pretty impressive for a little pistol looking cartridge.

it reminds me of a 22 magnum on steroids and creatine.

ChCx2744
July 26, 2009, 11:15 AM
Sorry if I sound dumb here, but does CMP stand for Civilian Marksmanship Program..? That is the only "gun related" Acronym I could find on Google....

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 26, 2009, 11:20 AM
Much as I love Garands, I've become more of a practical-leaning kind of guy over the years, and the AR15 is more practical. Shorter, lighter, more ergo, more parts availability, more accessorizing options etc. But primarily because shorter & lighter.

longdayjake
July 26, 2009, 11:38 AM
Sorry if I sound dumb here, but does CMP stand for Civilian Marksmanship Program..? That is the only "gun related" Acronym I could find on Google....

Yes. Welcome to the world of waiting and beautiful surplus rifles.

Tim the student
July 26, 2009, 01:28 PM
...and the AR15 is more practical.

That depends on what you are using it for.

Sure, the AR is more practical if you want to clear a house and shoot people in the face at 4 AM.

But, the Garand is more practical if you want to shoot a guy 200 yards away hiding behind a tree.

For me, most of my guns are there for my enjoyment, including my Garand and AR. So for that purpose, my Garand is more practical - I love to shoot it just a bit more than I do my AR.

krs
July 26, 2009, 01:53 PM
Mr.T:"I would own one if I could find one in decent shape for less than $1500";:barf:

Do you want to put up, or shut up?


You can't have #4 from the top, or #6, but for your "less than $1500." we could talk about any of the rest.

DMK
July 26, 2009, 02:04 PM
You can't have #4 from the top, or #6, but for your "less than $1500." we could talk about any of the rest. Assuming the bore condition is good, I'd give you $1500 for the rest of them. :D

krs
July 26, 2009, 02:26 PM
Yeah. I ALMOST worded it so as to sound as though the rest could be had for that, but added the wording "any of" just before posting. :)

and, are you kidding? You'd buy the other four for $1500. if the bores were 12 gauge :D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 26, 2009, 02:32 PM
That depends on what you are using it for.

Sure, the AR is more practical if you want to clear a house and shoot people in the face at 4 AM.

But, the Garand is more practical if you want to shoot a guy 200 yards away hiding behind a tree.

That is an awesome way to put it and exactly right. And proves my point, because scenario #1 is 1,000 times more likely to happen to ME and most people, than scenario #2, hence the *practicality* of a gun that fulfills role #1.

Sure, the AR is more practical if you want to clear a house and shoot people in the face at 4 AM.

Can I make that my new sig line? :p

Mags
July 26, 2009, 02:35 PM
Voted for AR-15. Here is my plan. I am buying all my "practical" weapons now.(I have plenty of time I am only 25) So everthing for self defense gets priority then I plan to start buying "collectibles" such as WWII weapons from all sides, commemorative items, and cowboy guns. Basically it is all about prioritizing for me.

Tim the student
July 26, 2009, 02:41 PM
That is an awesome way to put it and exactly right. And proves my point, because scenario #1 is 1,000 times more likely to happen to ME and most people

True, it is more likely to happen to most people, but again, it depends on the intended use of the rifle. My AR has a 20" bull barrel, with a big ol 4.5 - 14 scope on it, a bipod, and no rails for lights etc. I would rather clear a house with my Garand that my AR. (Maybe I should amend my statement and throw in "most AR's". :D)

However, my AR is obviously not intended or designed to clear rooms. It is designed to explode prairie dogs at a decent range.

I think it goes back to the intended use of the weapon to determine practicality.

Oh, and of course you can use that in your sig line, for a small royalty fee. ;)

The Real Mags - I am in the same boat as you to a certain extent. The thing that made me want to start buying Garands now vs later is their availability and price now, vs what I think their availability and cost will be later. CMP will run out someday, and when I am done getting more "practical" guns, I think most Garands will be in much worse condition, and will be much more expensive. Look at the prices you see for trashed Garands at gun shows compared to what you see coming from the CMP. Besides, not ALL my guns need to serve a "practical" purpose other than my just wanting to shoot them and enjoy doing it.

krs
July 26, 2009, 03:26 PM
And then there's the movie 'Torino' something or other to speak to the practicality of the Garand rifle.

Dr. Thad - how many "practical" handguns do you own right now? Thirty?:rolleyes:

theotherwaldo
July 26, 2009, 03:35 PM
If I want a .30-06 I'll get a bolt action. They're not picky about their ammo.

Anyway, my dad would come back and haunt me if I messed up a Garand.

Pony Express
July 26, 2009, 03:51 PM
AR. Easier to get parts, more caliber options, and frankly im just more familiar with the system which is most important to me.

I do reckon that the m1 is a very close second though. hard to beat the
30-06 :rolleyes:

H2O MAN
July 26, 2009, 04:04 PM
Only one?

MK14 Mod 1

The hard hitting practicality of the M1 Garand and the
flexibility of the AR combined into a compact battle rifle.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/EBRs020407%20004.jpg

Poor East Texan
July 26, 2009, 04:59 PM
^ yeah!

DMK
July 26, 2009, 05:03 PM
are you kidding? You'd buy the other four for $1500. if the bores were 12 gaugeYea, that's true. I'm a sucker for a new project. :o

Water-Man
July 26, 2009, 06:24 PM
AR15. The M1 was great back in it's day but it is now one of those HUGE animals that went extinct.

Art Eatman
July 26, 2009, 06:53 PM
Old G'rand may be 'stinkt, but it sho do shoot good. Thing is, if things get up close and personal, there's right at a foot of shaving edge at one end and a chunk of steel butt-plate at the other. Makes for interesting and persuasive social interactions.

Just think of it as a Tueller drill at 16 feet instead of 21. :D

rbernie
July 26, 2009, 07:00 PM
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That entire report has been so completely and thouroughly debunked as armchair warrior pap so many times, I cannot believe that it is still even around.

Deputy25
July 26, 2009, 10:55 PM
Garand. Turning cover into concealment...

knights_armorer
December 8, 2009, 07:02 PM
figured i'd bump this old poll up with all the garand talk. maybe some new voters can be heard

shaggy430
December 8, 2009, 07:04 PM
Best to let sleeping dogs lie.

knights_armorer
December 8, 2009, 07:07 PM
you callin my dog a liar?

PT1911
December 8, 2009, 07:08 PM
Quality AR without question... more complete and versatile weapon available in more versatile calibers.

latisimusd
December 8, 2009, 08:27 PM
I think you need both!
New and old technology - really can't go wrong with either.
Support past & present.:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ARfun/hobby%20sticks/PKSabre001-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ARfun/garands/HRGarand002.jpg

I voted for the Garand:)

knights_armorer
December 8, 2009, 09:17 PM
lol, agreed, but which one did you vote for?

SharpsDressedMan
December 8, 2009, 09:30 PM
M1 Garand. AR is only practical to 800 yards, and I don't like to get that close to the enemy.:D

Quentin
December 8, 2009, 09:56 PM
As awesome as the Garand is, it's kind of like comparing a vacuum tube to a laptop, IMO RP88

Well the transistor and AR-15 both made big gains in the late 50's and early sixties, shoving aside vacuum tubes and larger calibers. :)

I love older guns but would have to go with the AR over the Garand.

FlyinBryan
May 23, 2010, 09:32 PM
this was an epic pole, and i just figured id give any new guys that havent seen it a chance to vote.

i honestly figured the ar would win hands down. its incredible how close it is.

Flatbush Harry
May 23, 2010, 10:20 PM
I have 4 Garands, 2 M1As and a Colt AR15A2. I guess that says it all.

FH

Ignition Override
May 24, 2010, 12:51 AM
If you ever stand in the fox holes of E and F Companies outside Bastogne, Belgium, there is only one answer-especially if you like only classic military rifles.

XxWINxX94
May 24, 2010, 12:54 AM
Gonna go with the Garand becuase I own one!
Not trashing the AR at all, I've shot one and did very good with it.

FlyinBryan
May 24, 2010, 01:24 AM
If you ever stand in the fox holes of E and F Companies outside Bastogne, Belgium, there is only one answer-especially if you like only classic military rifles.

i would love to take one of those tourist trips over there before im gone and see those places.

all the respect i have to give

FlyinBryan
May 24, 2010, 01:42 AM
the family (not including kids and grandkids)

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nwilliams
May 24, 2010, 04:32 AM
Couldn't decide between the two so I split the difference and opted for the M1 Carbine instead:D

If I had to the walk the wastelands of a post-apocalyptic future I would have an M1 Carbine slung over my shoulder and not an AR, AK or any other rifle for that matter.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Carbines.jpg

Avenger29
May 24, 2010, 05:58 AM
A quality AR-15.

I can't afford to shoot .30-06...

If I had a Garand, it wouldn't get shot much...it'd be like my Mosin-Nagant, kept for history...

Rshooter
May 24, 2010, 11:53 AM
I would have to go with the Garand, I own both but I would never part with my Garand.

skipbo32
August 28, 2010, 08:44 PM
didnt Gen. Patton say that "the AR15 is the dooshiest battle implement ever devised", ?

Ignition Override
August 28, 2010, 09:42 PM
FlyinBryan:
You have a wickedly beautiful 'battle rifle'. My first arrived after a friend's trip to the CMP three weeks ago.
This topic seems to exclude ammo prices and reloading can reduce them a fair bit.

The Garand is impressive by itself, and has no need to be customized.
It helped liberate much of the globe in WW2 with no extra gear.

Reid73: True, although our F-105 "Thuds" etc (based at Udorn etc in Thailand?) were required to enter North Vietnam on three designated routes, similar to what we do arriving into larger airports via standard terminal arrival routes (STARs).

And they could not attack Soviet cargo ships in Haiphong Harbour, but one Thud or F-4 pilot zapped the type of Soviet ship which had a load of SA-2 missiles. He was kicked out of the Air Force because of that, but probably saved the lives of some B-52 or TAC crews. My Dad worked with the guy in the US.
These were just a tiny fraction of the rules our forces had to comply with.

Zanad
August 29, 2010, 12:07 AM
man this was a hard decision.....give me an m1a and call it good. or at least a mini-30, but please, please something in .30 cal

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