Please Help! Taurus PT 1911 Problem


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quietdisdain
February 27, 2009, 10:56 PM
Hey all,

Please bear with me, I'm still fairly new to guns in general so I apologize if I don't sound like I know what I'm talking about half the time.

Back in October I bought a Taurus PT 1911. Since then, I've shot it about five separate times, and each time I do a basic takedown and clean it.

I picked up the gun tonight and noticed that inside the safe was a small spring and rod under the gun. I have not fired the gun since the last time I cleaned it, but it appears to feed my snap caps properly from the magazine and the trigger seems fine. The safety has been acting up, but it still works for the most part, as long as I only use it on the one side.

Attached are pictures of the item. Looking at my manual, it *seems* that it's pieces 4.4 and 4.5, the "Slide stop plunger" and "Plunger Spring". But this doesn't make any sense, because I just pulled out the slide stop a couple of minutes ago to study the Plunger tube in detail. It appears nothing is missing, and there is tension on both sides of the Plunger tube, as if the spring were inside.

Does anyone have a clue as to what I should do?

Thanks,
_QD

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Jason_G
February 27, 2009, 11:04 PM
You lost your plunger. Check your safety plunger tube (right above the left side grip panel, between the slide stop and safety).

There ought to be two plungers there. The stepped one in your photo should face the slide stop. The other one, which appears to be missing, faces the safety. With the thumb safety removed, they ought to slide right into the tube.


Jason

quietdisdain
February 27, 2009, 11:15 PM
So this loose part goes in the end where the safety is, not the slide stop? That's what I don't understand, because the safety's plunger also appears to be sticking out just fine. It's getting compressed and released as I flip the safety up and down.

wrc376
February 27, 2009, 11:18 PM
that looks more like mainspring housing internal to me... how different is a pt1911 compared to a 70series?

gb6491
February 27, 2009, 11:57 PM
IMO, unless Taurus uses plungers significantly different from other 1911s, that is not a slide stop or thumb safety plunger and spring; but it is easy enough to check by pulling the thumb safety and seeing what else is in the tube:uhoh:.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2mgjxn9.jpg
Ruling that out, do you have any after market parts on on your PT1911? What else do you have in the safe?
Regards,
Greg

quietdisdain
February 28, 2009, 12:27 AM
Hmm, nothing else was ever in the safe. MAYBE my Ruger SR9 was in there, but if it was, it was for less than a few minutes. The safe is small and really only has room for one gun. Does my picture look like an SR9 part?

I don't think it's the slide stop plunger either, as wouldn't it be obviously absent while looking at the gun, and wouldn't the slide stop and/or safety wiggle around considerably without the spring?

I've never taken off the thumb safety before, how would I do that?

Edit: Also, no after market parts.

gb6491
February 28, 2009, 01:26 AM
I've never taken off the thumb safety before, how would I do that?
1. Make sure the pistol is safe.
2. Remove the top end (slide and barrel) as per your instruction manual. This is not really necessary, but prudent.
3. Cock the hammer
4. Move the safety up; now pull it outward from the frame, while wiggling it slightly up and down. Be careful that the plungers and spring don't shoot out of the plunger tube and get lost.
To reassemble;
1.Replace the plungers and spring
2.With the hammer cocked and grip safety pushed into place, position the removed safety slightly upwards (if it has an ambi safety align that in a similar position). Push it in until the plunger stops it.
3. Retract the plunger with a small tool and push the safety in to place.
These videos might give you a better idea:
Disassembly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBrkF0sMgI
Assembly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bh6K5rNenc&feature=related

This guy has a PT1911 ( I don't) and does it a little differently:
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=14090.0
He does have a high resolution picture of all the parts in that thread:)

I don't know about the SR9, but you might want to give it a quick going over.

Regards,
Greg

The Lone Haranguer
February 28, 2009, 10:13 AM
If that is the slide stop end of the plunger, the slide stop should be very loose in the frame right now. ?

quietdisdain
February 28, 2009, 04:02 PM
If that is the slide stop end of the plunger, the slide stop should be very loose in the frame right now. ?


That was my assessment as well. It's not loose it all; everything looks fine. Which leads me to believe that this plunger/spring is part of something else. Either another gun (which doesn't make sense, the only other Handgun I own is a Ruger SR9 which I just shot today and I don't even keep it in the same place). Or it's another piece of the Taurus that doesn't involve the plunger tube, but I couldn't think of what that could be.

I guess I'll just try to shoot it tomorrow and see what happens.

Jason_G
March 1, 2009, 12:52 PM
IMO, unless Taurus uses plungers significantly different from other 1911s, that is not a slide stop or thumb safety plunger and spring; but it is easy enough to check by pulling the thumb safety and seeing what else is in the tube.

Yeah, I think you're right. After looking at the picture a little closer, the spring is way too short, and the plunger is not quite right... I have no idea what it would be then.

Jason

dave from mesa
March 1, 2009, 12:56 PM
You took good pic of the spring and other piece why not post a pic of both sides of the gun and maybe someone can see something missing.

DaBull
March 1, 2009, 01:02 PM
Is it part of your safe?

Jason_G
March 1, 2009, 09:44 PM
Any update?

Jason

Guenivar
March 2, 2009, 11:45 AM
the pt1911 is basiclly a series 80 colt (firing pin block)

I've hade had mine dissambled down to the bare frame, and the only spring that is even close to that is the one in the plunger tube. The only wierd parts from a standard 1911 are the series 80 parts ( two levers, a small fine coil spring, and the firing pin stop itself)
hope that helps..

mine:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4373/dsc0021pf2.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0021pf2.jpg)
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/dsc0021pf2.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img252/dsc0021pf2.jpg/1/)

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