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Javelin
February 28, 2009, 10:10 PM
What the heck did I just purchase? :rolleyes:

I will post a range report when I get a chance. Anyone have any words to say (good or bad) about the P30 V3? It seems to fit the hand like a glove. De-cocker on the back is an interesting design :D

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3929/editedhkgthkbecauseyous.jpg

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David E
February 28, 2009, 10:13 PM
It's still an HK.

Long, heavy trigger pull, long reset with a long take up. Further, the grooves at the bottom of the triggerguard where your trigger finger rides will likely wear two tracks in said finger until a callous is built up. Add to that, a high bore axis.

It should be accurate tho, once you get past all that.

SeanMTX
February 28, 2009, 10:29 PM
Yeah...I think David is crazy.


You got a meticulously engineered pistol with, while horrible customer service, a storied history.

Trigger is average...not custom 1911, not Ruger SP9/Glock.

Accuracy is outstanding, carry capability is average, weight is great...overall a very good gun!

Hope you got it for a good price.

crushbup
February 28, 2009, 10:34 PM
It looks icky. It out-uglies the GLOCK.

MaterDei
February 28, 2009, 10:35 PM
Just because it looks like a Hi-Point doesn't make it one! HKs have a great reputation. I'm sure it will be a fine shooter.

xwingband
February 28, 2009, 10:40 PM
Dang you people are harsh...

IMO it's dang sexy and looks nothing like a Hi-point. :barf:

I just got my P30L today. Screw the noise. It's awesome.

Yes, the DA is long and hard but it's smooth. The SA is sweet though. It's well put together and the "spiderman" grips are amazing.

10-Ring
February 28, 2009, 11:07 PM
Hey, if you're that offended, I'll take it off your hands for cheap ;) Think of it as peace of mind & a part of the THR brotherhood! ;)

jonnyc
February 28, 2009, 11:21 PM
"Just because it looks like a Hi-Point..."

Hah! That's just what I thought when I first saw it!

PumpAction
February 28, 2009, 11:37 PM
David E:

the grooves at the bottom of the triggerguard where your trigger finger rides will likely wear two tracks in said finger until a callous is built up

Which ridges are you referring to? Have you or anyone had an issue with this after brief or prolonged shooting?

Big Daddy Grim
February 28, 2009, 11:43 PM
Love my HKs if it's anything like mine it will be a super shooter.

xwingband
February 28, 2009, 11:46 PM
Which ridges are you referring to? Have you or anyone had an issue with this after brief or prolonged shooting?

I believe he's referring to the trench in the trigger guard. Hasn't been and issue for me. Haven't put loads of rounds down mine yet, but even when renting it wasn't an issue.

RX-178
February 28, 2009, 11:48 PM
I hate HK as a company.

I looooove HK-made firearms.

I carry a USP Tactical .45 when weather permits. It is an unbelievably sweet shooter.

nwilliams
March 1, 2009, 12:08 AM
I don't think it's all that ugly, certainly not anywhere near as ugly as a Hi Point in my opinion. However when I see the grip the first thing that comes to mine is Batman, not sure why, but that's ok since I'm a Batman fan;)

Anyway congrats on the new gun and let us know how it works out!

**Update**

I just picked up a 45c yesterday and after putting a hundred rounds through it that afternoon I couldn't be more impressed and happy with my purchase. Despite the reputation of the company and the whole "you suck and we hate you" they make some absolutely fantastic firearms and I'm very happy to be an HK owner again.

Here's a pic of my new HK....
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/HK45c-3.jpg

Cuda
March 1, 2009, 12:22 AM
If you like it, that's all that matters.


C

kwelz
March 1, 2009, 12:31 AM
I want one of these badly. But I decided to go with a 9MM AR carbine instead. Although I guess I could put on on Layaway. Hmmm.

wrc376
March 1, 2009, 12:44 AM
pop gun

usp9
March 1, 2009, 12:45 AM
I want one too. My HKs are all treasures. Best pistols made today. The grip is some advanced alien technology from Area 51... it's too good to be Human.

Bentonville
March 1, 2009, 12:45 AM
I love mine. Very accurate. Very reliable. Nowadays customer service is fine at HK-USA. Go to HkPro.com and check out what the dedicated folks there have to say. Mostly good. There's a fellow named Travis there that is really knowledgeable, professional, prompt to tend to problems (if there happens to be one) and interested in the customer. I had a P9S tweaked and he was really great. We talked several times on the phone. He replaced some parts that needed it at a very reasonable price and knows his stuff. I also had some night sights installed on a P2000 and the turnaround time was very fast.
I tried every possible combination of panel and back strap sizes and finally decided on a small panel on palm side, medium on finger side, and small back strap. It is just great. Sights are great for outdoor daylight shooting. The "glow in the dark" feature is nice if the gun has been sitting out in a well-lit room before use but otherwise, useless to me unless I take time to shine my Surefire light on it for 10 seconds.
The DA, first pull, is long and heavy. That's fine for carry. The single action is good in my opinion. I like the convenient decocker to make the gun safe. I took a newbie out to shoot last week and he really did well. I think he plans on buying one. I hope you enjoy your pistol. You should. You paid enough for the pleasure of owning it.
Oh yeah. When I first took it to the range I discovered the springs were a little stiff and once in a while a round wouldn't feed. I was using the Walmart Win.Value Pak. I learned to use some Fiocchi or something a little "hotter" than the Winchester White Box for the first time out. I shot about 150 rounds. After that I have not had even a hint of any problem. Just my experience. Good luck with yours.

David E
March 1, 2009, 12:49 AM
Yes, the trench in the triggerguard. If it's not an issue for you, great.

But the long, hard trigger pull takes a LOT of practice to master. You still have to deal with the long reset, tho. (Other guns share these problems, so it's not just HK)

Can't do anything about the high bore axis, tho.

Howser87
March 1, 2009, 12:58 AM
While I agree the HK and the Hi Point aren't the best looking guns out there I think they look fine, I actually like the appearance a little better then 1911s.

That said it still comes down to fit in the hand and how it shoots, looks like a nice gun to me and I can't wait to hear your range report.

CPshooter
March 1, 2009, 01:04 AM
Nice gun! I'm totally jealous. Don't listen to the haters. This forum is made mostly of Glock fan-boys and 1911 guys above all else. You just got yourself one of the finest combat handguns money can buy. I'm sure you will love it. I plan on getting a P30L sometime in the near future.

Only thing you need to know about the P30 is that it was designed for European police that shoot 9mm ammo which is loaded to higher pressures than the standard 9mm ammo found here in the US. H&K put a stiffer recoil spring in the P30 because of this. Some people have been reporting FTE (stovepipe) issues while the recoil spring is still breaking in. Using higher power self-defense loads made the problem disappear. Either way you should be fine once the spring breaks in. You might want to manually work the slide a few hundred times if you experience this.

PumpAction
March 1, 2009, 01:14 AM
David E and xwingband,

Thanks for the explanation. I've dry fired after reading your responses and it seems my trigger finger doesn't even come in contact with the trench so that is good. I really believe that some guns just fit people perfect and others don't. I'd really like to handle a P30 to try out the backstraps/grip options and see if they enhance my HK experience further. :D

PumpAction
March 1, 2009, 01:16 AM
Javelin,

Does that have rails on it for mounting a light or laser? Just wondering as it looks different from the USPs in that respect.

Javelin
March 1, 2009, 01:31 AM
I have been reading the responses on and off today. I must say that I have not been able to put this little firearm down (which is unusual as I generally lose interest fairly quickly). This pistol just has a very natural point of aim.

As far as looking like a Hi-Point... I am not going to go that far ROFL

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1097/editedhkbecauseyousucka.jpg

GZOh_Jr
March 1, 2009, 03:07 AM
nwilliams--I am with you. The gun looks Gothic--perhaps designed by Tim Burton.

But that said, I would take one.

Prince Yamato
March 1, 2009, 03:24 AM
If I had the money, I'd be shooting an H&K. You've got to love the people who bash them. Seriously folks, it's German engineered. You don't get any better than that.

TG13
March 1, 2009, 03:37 AM
the only thing that i just don't like is the typeface that they used for the "P30" on the side of the slide and the grip..

other than that..

i have to laugh at the whole "high bore axis" thing.. i hear that quite a bit from people Glock users about my XD45..

whatever.. it's a beautiful pistol.. and all that matters is if you like it, and it functions for you.. everything else is background noise..

burningsquirrels
March 1, 2009, 10:12 AM
i browse threads by using the prev/next thread links at the bottom of the page... when i cruised into this thread without seeing the thread title beforehand, i thought it was a hi-point too rofl.

Lone_Gunman
March 1, 2009, 10:32 AM
Dang you people are harsh...

No, its not so much that people are harsh, its that they are either jealous, or uninformed. HK's are pricey and not everyone has the means to afford one. I suspect most of the HK haters just can't afford to buy one...

Have you seen the Hyundai commercial that says that BMW and Mercedes are basically afraid of them? Yea right.....

Funderb
March 1, 2009, 10:36 AM
looks kind of slide heavy, and by heavy i mean very. I guess that's where they are getting the hipoint comparison. I can't agree, but it certainly isn't the prettiest pistol H&K has produced.

SHusky57
March 1, 2009, 10:40 AM
My wife has a P2000 in 9mm, my friend has a USP45c, and I have a Beretta PX4. For $400 less, the Beretta trigger is a million times better than the HK, and both are equally reliable. The only way to justify the USP's existence is if it was carried cocked and locked, otherwise the double-action trigger is just inexcusable. You really have to force it to break.

Lone_Gunman
March 1, 2009, 10:46 AM
I have a HK45, and it has a great DA trigger. Maybe there is something wrong with your hand if you have a hard time with yours...:evil:

JohnBT
March 1, 2009, 12:00 PM
"I suspect most of the HK haters just can't afford to buy one..."

Sure, that must be it, not that I'm a hater. I just don't care for them. And I have scopes that cost that much. :D

I don't know anything about HKs, but have yet to handle one at a shop and then plop down the cash. I buy guns by fit/finish and feel. When I find one I like I research the reliability and features, etc. It's a good excuse to handle every gun in the case and they know I buy guns so it works out. HKs have good fit/finish, but they don't feel right to me. Oh well, more for the rest of you.

John

David E
March 1, 2009, 12:23 PM
I'm not an HK Hater, nor a Glock/1911 fanboy. I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Fact: HK's have a high bore axis.

Fact: They have a long, hard trigger pull.

Fact: They have a long trigger reset.

Fact: They are over priced.

There are other factors, but these are the top four.

HK's are accurate, reliable and this particular one feels good, but the negatives remain.

Yes, the XD also has a high bore axis, but somehow, they worked around that. Their double recoil spring probably has a lot to do with it. The XD trigger can be worked to rival, or surpass, a custom 1911. Can't do that with an HK.

Oh, wait, even tho I've owned HK's, I must be an HK Hater because I can't afford one........even tho I have knives that cost more than this HK.....

It's interesting that folks insult anyone who dares cite the shortcomings of the HK's instead of responding to the valid points made.

.

David E
March 1, 2009, 12:27 PM
I have a HK45, and it has a great DA trigger. Maybe there is something wrong with your hand if you have a hard time with yours...

I suspect we have an entirely different view of what a "great DA trigger" is.

I've yet to see any HK that had a "great" DA trigger pull out of the box. Granted, I've only looked at several dozen of them. The LEM fitted guns have "good" DA pulls, but not great. The LEM's are also hard to find.

What's the DA poundage on yours?

.

Casefull
March 1, 2009, 01:08 PM
If you can keep your sight picture on target as you exert 8lbs of pressure on a moving trigger then more power to you. If you can do the above with any degree of quickness then you are in very rare company. More than likely you could only scare a man size target at 50 yards. No one every quantifies what accurate fire is. Try jerking the trigger on a single action and a double action...cause in an emergency that is what 99 % will do.

Gunnerpalace
March 1, 2009, 03:14 PM
Hey if it works for you, and is reliable and accurate plus easy to carry, I say Awesome thumbs up.

even tho I have knives that cost more than this HK
:scrutiny: I didn't think that was possible (new) (or collector items)?

benderx4
March 1, 2009, 05:00 PM
Javelin: Welcome to the HK club! Get used to this nonsense, as it tends to be around everytime "HK" is mentioned.

Some of these myths about HK are perpetuated by many folks on the Internet who have never handled, much less, shot one. We're not the only targets either - folks love to bash Keltec and Kahr as well, even though most of them probably wouldn't even recognize one.

You bought a well engineered, ergonomic, reliable, and very accurate high-capacity 9mm. That being said, I'll be honest when I say that my P30 has my least favorite trigger of all my HKs. Give Bill Springfield a call, he's a master at HK triggers.

Congrats again and happy shooting!

Lone_Gunman
March 1, 2009, 05:56 PM
Some of these myths about HK are perpetuated by many folks on the Internet who have never handled, much less, shot one.

I think that is the problem with several of the opinions in this thread too! A lot of people are compelled to give advice regarding guns they have never fired, and simply parrot stuff they have read on the internet. Between those, and the people who have a gripe about HK because of the price, and of course the people who can't handle a DA trigger well, there is a lot of misinformation here.

22lr
March 1, 2009, 06:12 PM
HKs are amazing guns but way overpriced so I stick to my humble S&W. I would love to get one but for what 3rd gen S&Ws go for, ill just buy 2 smiths and be done with it. Nice gun though.

4Freedom
March 1, 2009, 06:18 PM
Beautiful gun.. I was juggling back and forth between the Sig 229 and HK P30. I decided sice Sig 229 would be easier to carry and had the all metal construction, i went that route. However, I was seriously considering buy an HK45, because people told me that their accuracy rivals that of any 1911. Also, it is a dang savvy looking gun. It has that modern new age sex appeal a gun should have and the ergonomics felt very good in my hand, better than any other gun I felt. I wish they would make a compact version with the same ergonomics. Maybe if I an get more money I will trade the new S&W M&P 45 w/ night sights that I just purchased in for a HK45 with night sights.

Brazos
March 1, 2009, 10:45 PM
I do not own an HK but of all the pistols I have ever picked up in my 37 years of life the HK P30 is the most comfortable gun I have ever picked up by far. I need to pick one up next to a Browning HP but I think the P30 has is beat. With todays polymer pistols I don't know why all pistols don't feel like a P30. It seems like it would be easy for all manufactueres to replicate the feel.

Brazos

PT1911
March 1, 2009, 10:54 PM
well... I dont know a thing about it, but I will say I think the thing looks extremely comfortable, and, personally I like it a lot.. i am purchasing a Ma1, so I like guns fitting that profile..

NG VI
March 1, 2009, 11:24 PM
Trigger is average...not custom 1911, not Ruger SP9/Glock.

Huh, I actually really like my Glock triggers, I would never put them on the opposite side of custom 1911. Put Sigma there instead.

Dollar An Hour
March 1, 2009, 11:28 PM
I think the P30's and P2000's are good looking for polymer pistols. But who really cares about looks anyways?

What's important is that HK's, though a bit expensive, run great and are very well engineered. :)

David E
March 1, 2009, 11:36 PM
Javelin: Welcome to the HK club! Get used to this nonsense, as it tends to be around everytime "HK" is mentioned.

Some of these myths about HK are perpetuated by many folks on the Internet who have never handled, much less, shot one.

I think that is the problem with several of the opinions in this thread too! A lot of people are compelled to give advice regarding guns they have never fired, and simply parrot stuff they have read on the internet. Between those, and the people who have a gripe about HK because of the price, and of course the people who can't handle a DA trigger well, there is a lot of misinformation here.

Once again, the points raised are not addressed. Instead, you trash the one(s) raising the points.

I've owned, shot, handled and sold dozens of HK's. I like some better than others.

And if we're talking about mastering DA shooting, I have won several shooting awards, including a State title using a double action revolver.

Yet, I don't like HK's for the reasons stated.

Perhaps you could address the POINTS raised instead.

.

SeanMTX
March 1, 2009, 11:44 PM
Quote:
Trigger is average...not custom 1911, not Ruger SP9/Glock.
Huh, I actually really like my Glock triggers, I would never put them on the opposite side of custom 1911. Put Sigma there instead.


LOL.

My Glock is ok now, but only after a trigger job and a 3.5lb reset.

I carry my Glock every day cause it'll go bang when I want. It ain't pretty, and I'm not a huge fan of the trigger, but it works, and it works dang well.

Deer Hunter
March 2, 2009, 12:03 AM
I wasn't going to say anything, but wow....

HK's are pricey and not everyone has the means to afford one. I suspect most of the HK haters just can't afford to buy one...


That was elitist and asinine.

Lone_Gunman
March 2, 2009, 12:24 AM
Name calling is not very high road.

Deer Hunter
March 2, 2009, 12:29 AM
Neither is being Elitist, so don't try to turn this around.

We can discuss the pros and cons of a particular pistol without having to make assumptions, can't we?

I've held and shot a few HKs. In my own opinion they are overpriced and their DA isn't that great. SA is about average. A bit bulky for what they are, but again that is my personal opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

However, how you perceive the size of someone's bank account based on their reluctance to believe that HK is the epitome of handgun design is beyond me.

benderx4
March 2, 2009, 12:39 AM
Long, heavy trigger pull, long reset with a long take up. Further, the grooves at the bottom of the triggerguard where your trigger finger rides will likely wear two tracks in said finger until a callous is built up. Add to that, a high bore axis.

It should be accurate tho, once you get past all that.

David: I was not calling you out personally. I do believe, however, that many folks give advice and opinions on weapons they've never seen. As to your points:

1. Trigger - I concede that. Like I mentioned, of all my HKs, I like the trigger on the P30 the least. It's not horrible, but it can't compare with, say, a USP45 Tact. Again, not something that can't be "fixed". (LEM version is out now as well.)

2. The Trigger Trench - I've heard folks accuse the HK45 of this malady as well. I've got several thousand rounds through both guns and have yet to notice this "problem".

3. High Bore Axis - we'll have to disagree on this point. Ergonomically, I thinik this gun is unequalled. Considering the caliber and size of the gun, I think it has excellent balance, and the grip allows for a nice high purchase.

4. Accuracy - yes it is - we agree.

A nice gun overall. I have, however, bought a 2nd HK45 in lieu of a P30L because of that trigger. As for price, what's up with that? I never hear anyone complaining about laying down up to $4000 for a Wilson Combat Super Grade 1911 45, but $850 for a HK45 is outrageous? Yes, call CDNN and you can buy a HK45 for $850 and a P30 for $769. What does a Sig 220 Elite run nowadays?

Lone_Gunman
March 2, 2009, 03:09 PM
We can discuss the pros and cons of a particular pistol without having to make assumptions, can't we?


I guess the time for rational conversation ended about the time you said my opinion was asanine and elitist.

I've held and shot a few HKs. In my own opinion they are overpriced and their DA isn't that great. SA is about average. A bit bulky for what they are, but again that is my personal opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

It sounds to me like your HK experience is quite limited, and it might not be best for you to making sweeping conclusions about the HK based on holding and shooting a few HKs. Could you be more clear about how many you have actually shot, how many rounds you fired, over what period of time you owned one, etc? Have you actually owned an HK?

Storm
March 2, 2009, 03:17 PM
Forming an opinion based on just holding a gun is like holding a woman's hand and claiming to know what she would be like in bed.

Lone_Gunman
March 2, 2009, 04:48 PM
I agree, and it should not qualify one to make broad statements about a gun model in general, yet people do it all the time.

Boats
March 2, 2009, 05:19 PM
H&K fanbois are ridiculous.

If someone doesn't like H&K products for objective reasons, e.g. the triggers DO suck mightily for the cash. The paddle mag release is not everyone's cat's meow, or the actual use of said pistols doesn't measure up to pistols costing less:

The first line of defense is to claim the critic cannot afford it. Of course this is preposterous. Anyone owning one of the mainline 1911A1 manufactured pistols has paid as much or more than they would for any H&K without a M8, M10, M13, or TACTICAL in its nomenclature. People can and do routinely drop more money on the typical bolt rifle and scope than one would usually spend for "German engineering" in a handgun.

Failing that, e.g. the critic can drop more on a knife or a scope than he'd pay for Bavarian plastik, then ENVY is the scream. "Yeah, maybe you could afford it, but you COMPROMISED." I could afford a high end Ducati, but the ride quality and maintenance requirements are for masochists. Am I somehow envious because I'd rather ride a BMW or a Yamaha FJR?

If that doesn't work, then comes a defense along the lines of "Well, how many women have you slept with anyways?" This insecure line of argument about how many H&Ks one has handled and fired defies human experience in any other area. How many fat chicks would the fanbois have to date to notice that they're all rather squishy? H&K DA triggers suck hard and have for a long time across several models. For the cash demanded, it's not a question of cost, but rather one of value. Why on earth for the scratch demanded can the USP, 2000, P30, whatever, NOT have a world class trigger? The comparatively "lowly" FN FNP absolutely shames the typical H&K in the trigger department, at about half the price no less.

So, long story short, save it. No one breathing through their nose is going to buy that they are too stupid, too cheap, too self loathing, or too judgment impaired to form opinions on H&K products.

usp9
March 2, 2009, 06:32 PM
"Is it safe?" :scrutiny:

Back to the topic.

Javelin, looking forward to the report. I look for one of these every gun show I attend, but I've yet to see but one in the flesh about a year ago.

jakk280rem
March 2, 2009, 07:10 PM
it sure looks alot like a walther p99 with that top mounted decocker and trigger gaurd mag release paddle.

Lone_Gunman
March 2, 2009, 07:27 PM
I think my HK45 does have a world class trigger. I am very happy with it, and shoot it as well as most of my 1911s. I don't see what the problem is, and think it is a shame the HK haters have to be so negative about this fine pistol. It is almost a phobia.

IMTHDUKE
March 2, 2009, 07:35 PM
Love mine....

http://photos.gafana.com/photos/0326252010996514788430.share.jpg

Pizzagunner
March 2, 2009, 08:19 PM
I think my HK45 does have a world class trigger. I am very happy with it, and shoot it as well as most of my 1911s. I don't see what the problem is, and think it is a shame the HK haters have to be so negative about this fine pistol. It is almost a phobia

You have dished all of the stock "can't afford it," "they're just jealous," and "they lack experience" BS and you don't see the problem?

H&K needs to invent an irony detector and include one with every purchase.

SwampWolf
March 2, 2009, 08:23 PM
Also, it is a dang savvy looking gun. It has that modern new age sex appeal a gun should have

Hmmm, you just described the very reason I don't like the gun. This difference of opinion once again proves the legitimacy of the old adage, "there's no accounting for taste". Or "one man's Mona Lisa is another man's cartoon." To my eyes (and I am the proud owner of an HK USP 40) no HK firearm has ever looked good and the one being discussed looks positively Hi-Pointish, even Black and Deckerish. You can have your "modern new age sex appeal" appearance. I think the new stuff looks goofy, designed by loons who are just looking to cater to the "new age" consumers who only want something "different" just to be different and who have no appreciation for the classic looks of 1911s, Hi-Powers, Lugers, 1873 Colts, to name a few.

But I concede, this is just the (by definition) subjective opinion of a 65 year old man whose ideas of what looks good ( that is, a form with a pleasing proportion of things) has no basis in absolutes and who readily admits that form should follow function, particularly so when the end product is meant to provide self-protection. Still, when you can have your cake and eat it too, well then...

Lone_Gunman
March 2, 2009, 09:00 PM
You have dished all of the stock "can't afford it," "they're just jealous," and "they lack experience" BS and you don't see the problem?

If none of those conditions apply to you, then I certainly did not direct those comments towards you. I am simply naming plausible reasons why people might not like an HK, and am not referring to anyone specifically. This is in contrast to others here who have directly called me names.

CPshooter
March 2, 2009, 09:04 PM
This thread is getting pretty intense..I thought I'd chime in.

Do I think H&Ks have "world class" triggers? I don't know. It's hard to define "world class." Do I shoot my H&Ks with their "sucky" triggers better than almost any other handgun out there? Most definitely.

The only thing that bothers me is that people use the trigger as their reasoning for H&Ks being "overpriced." The high bore axis and all that other stuff is nonsense... The felt recoil on my H&Ks is less than that of ANY pistol I've ever shot in the same caliber(s). If a high bore axis is so terrible, Sigs and 1911s must suck too:rolleyes:

The triggers just aren't as bad as some people make them out to be. If you nitpick it sure there is a bit of take-up in SA, but the darn thing still breaks cleanly at 4.5lbs! Sure the DA pull is "hard," but it's supposed to be for a reason. With practice, one can be very accurate with the DA pull anyhow. You can modify any trigger on any gun, but I prefer my triggers to be unmodified on my handguns to preserve factory reliability and safety. The factory SA trigger on my USP .40 Compact is worlds better to me than the triggers on my Glocks or XDs that I've owned in the past. The point is, you can nitpick the H&K trigger all you want but in the end they still allow for effortless and rather excellent combat accuracy. The LEM is a whole different animal for a different purpose, but I love it as well. You want a better trigger for your $800 gun? Then modify it and get it to your standards. You aren't paying $800 for an H&K because it has a nice trigger. You are paying for the entire package, which I feel is a better overall package than any other double-stack combat handgun being made today.

Are they the best choice for everyone? Obviously not. But I don't think it's fair to say that they are overpriced when people are spending 4x the money on a Wilson, Baer, etc 1911 when there are other 1911s that shoot just as good for MUCH less. Call it Elitist or whatever you want, but it really is the people who don't think they are worth it to them that are claiming H&Ks are overpriced. In other words, it's the person who bought a Glock,XD, etc because they didn't want to throw down the extra $300 and they don't want their fragile egos shattered. (This was by no means a bash towards Glocks or XDs..I've owned several of both and they are great guns for the money. However, this still doesn't mean H&Ks are overpriced)

jocko
March 2, 2009, 09:23 PM
great guns, never owned one but everyone I know who owns one swears by them. This model to me is very very ugly..

CPshooter
March 2, 2009, 10:56 PM
This model to me is very very ugly..That's what I thought too, until I got to handle one in real-life. In pictures the "tacticool" forward cocking serrations and spidey grip look somewhat cheesy, but in real life it's like a work of space-age art that just melts into your hands:) They are very sleek and clean looking in real life. The pics just don't do it justice.

hnk45acp
March 3, 2009, 12:49 PM
A guy buys a new HK and the haters immediately jump on him. Nice. You don't like HKs? Stay away from thread. OP nice gun

Coronach
March 3, 2009, 01:06 PM
Everyone chill. Calling someone's opinion asinine =/= calling the person asinine.

As far as HKs go, meh. I own one, a P7/PSP, but I have yet to find one of the "new" ones (USP and onwards) that doesn't fit my hand like a brick. HK has it's own special brand of teutonic arrogance with regards to their marketing and production decisions, but that doesn't have bearing on how good, objectively, the OP's pistol is.

Glad you like it.

Mike

IMTHDUKE
March 3, 2009, 05:08 PM
Geeeessss....just glad he didn't buy a clock....he would really receive the thrashing of his life.:D

W.E.G.
March 3, 2009, 05:34 PM
My custom, raised Hi-Point way out-awesomes your HK.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/Hi-Pointhighslide.jpg

HKIWB
March 3, 2009, 06:18 PM
Congratulations, Javelin. That's a major score. There must be an awful lot of us rich Kool Aid drinkers out there because the P30 is nearly impossible to find right now. I love mine, and everyone who's shot it has raved about its accuracy and ergonomics. It shoots like a laser.

Disclaimer: HKIWB has never actually fired a laser or even held one in his hand, and is not qualified to compare the P30 to anything of the sort.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/dub64/HKP307YARDS.jpg

SsevenN
March 3, 2009, 06:36 PM
My custom, raised Hi-Point way out-awesomes your HK.



Nice, what's that in, the 50 gigawatt range?:p

I like HK's, good buy I'm glad you like it.

My platform of choice remains the CZ 75, but you know what they say about opinions....

Schofield
March 3, 2009, 06:39 PM
Just get a new grip then it will be all better.

broken
March 3, 2009, 06:48 PM
i have a friend with a h/k 30 or p30 whatever,probably the nicest polymer grip i ever felt,shoots great,i dont rib him on what he can afford,he doesnt rib me on my smith/wesson 5904 he also has a ruger p345 in .45,likes em both.to each his own if hes happy.im happy with my sub par 250.00 specail.heck i even sanded my plastic grip smooth and stippled it to try to get a feel like sandpaper,i liked his grip texture on the h/k.

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