I have a chance to pick up a Remmy 7mm at a pretty good price but Ive also been looking at a 30.06. Cant make up my mind so Im commin to the gun gurrus.
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March 1, 2009, 03:06 AM
To me it would depend on where you live and what you intend to hunt with it. The 7mm will be flatter shooting. If you hunt in wide open spaces and don't go after anything bigger than deer, then it would be the clear choice for me.
If on the other hand you hunt in wooded or brushy areas, seldom get a shot over 200 yards and might use it for elk or other larger game, then I would favor the 30-06.
Of course you wouldn't be at much of a disadvantage either way. A 7mm mag has enough power to cleanly kill elk and the 30-06 can be accurate at 400 yards and beyond.
March 1, 2009, 03:09 AM
I vote 30-06, but there is really not much difference between the two.
The deer will never know the difference.
30-06 is cheaper to shoot, and if you reload 30-06 brass is a lot more common.
I have had people at the range give me their new once-fired brass when they found out I handload.
March 1, 2009, 03:32 AM
what would be the range on the 7mm?
March 1, 2009, 03:34 AM
In general a 30.06 can do anything a 7mm Mag can do but at a slightly shorter range. Conversely, the 7mm Mag is not as versatile as the 30.06 which can be used effectively for anything from prairie dogs to Moose, depending on bullet selection.
If you are buying only one hunting rifle, or if you don't have a 30.06 in your battery, I would choose the 06.
If you are specifically hunting Elk or Larger game, or deer sized game at extended ranges, the 7mm Mag is the way to go.
In Alaska my hunt everything, except big bears, rifle was a 30.06 with 180 gr Nosler partitions.
In Arizona, where I was hunting Elk and Mule Deer at extended ranges the 7mm Mag with 145 gr Speer's or 175 Grain Nosler Partitons was the choice.
As far as range goes that is more a function of the rifleman. I personally do not shoot at any game beyond 250 yards and the longest measured shot I have taken on large game was 190 yards. Having said that, the 7mm Mag will produce the energy needed to take game well beyond my self imposed limits.
March 1, 2009, 03:50 AM
help the economy?? BUY BOTH :evil:
March 1, 2009, 04:23 AM
Id like to have both !
March 1, 2009, 06:33 AM
The 7mm only has one edge on the 06..its a better varmit round but costs more to shoot. Plus the things tear deer all to heck too.The 7mm heavy game loads shot not faster or flater than the basic 30-06 loads but cost half as much more. But with a boat tail 139 its a hell of a coyote or antalope round for longer range. Dont take this the wrong way but most idiots and slob hunters pack a 7mm mag so that tends to taint my idea too.
March 1, 2009, 08:29 AM
The real question isn't: "What would be the range on the 7mm?". It's: What's the maximum effective range you're capable of shooting?
Either cartridge is fully capable of flinging a hunting bullet farther than any sane person should be trying to take game at. When the bullets get waaaaay out there, they aren't carrying enough kinetic energy to ensure a clean kill. Various energy levels have been bandied about on the boards since day one of the internet, but let's say 1000 ft lbs of retained energy is a good minimum figure. Using Hornady bullets & tables from Hornady 6, 154 gr for the 7mm & 150 gr for the .30-06, either will retain 1000 ft lbs to 500 yards.
Can you place the bullet in the kill zone, in the field, at that range? For sure? Not just gettin' lucky once in a while?
Doesn't matter which one you pick really, either will do the job. My personal preference is the .30-06.
Good short article on "All-Around Rifle Cartridges"
March 1, 2009, 03:47 PM
according to Chuck...
"Short list includes .270 Winchester, 7mm Remington Magnum, .308 Winchester, and .30-06 Springfield..."
i see no problems with any of these choices. anything you hunt on this continent is killable with these choices with my nod going to 30 Gov
7MAG will cost the most to shoot of these choices and punich your should the most
in fact any of the calibers in his article are suitable.
"6.5x55 SE, .260 Remington, 6.5mm Remington Magnum, 6.5x68, .264 Winchester Magnum, .270 Winchester, .270 WSM, .270 Weatherby Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, 7x57 Mauser, 7x64 Brenneke, 7x65R, .280 Remington, 7mm WSM, 7mm Rem. SAUM, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 7mm STW, .300 Savage, .308 Marlin, .308 Winchester, 7.62x54R, .30-06 Springfield, .300 WSM, .300 Rem. SAUM, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby Magnum, .303 British, 8x57JS, and 8x68S.
March 1, 2009, 04:10 PM
30-06 cost less to feed and is available in more loadings. Otherwise your comparing two very similar cartridges in terms of what they will do to game.
March 1, 2009, 04:23 PM
Most will say 30-06, but i PERSONALLY like the 7 mag better, dunno why. That is what i would chose...
March 1, 2009, 05:06 PM
Pretty tough for me to imagine a scenario where one would be a decided advantage.
A tiny advantage may go to the 06 with game over a half ton & "in your face" ranges.That same tiny advantage may go to the 7 when ranges creep out to where most hunters won't / shouldn't be shooting.
I voted 7 because that was my 1st "big" rifle & I still have it.
March 1, 2009, 05:21 PM
I bought a 7MM mag, and I wish I'd bought an /06. Why? I can't afford to shoot it. Other than that, there's nothing wrong with the round, very powerful.
March 1, 2009, 10:32 PM
Without stating your intended use, the most versatile for use on big game is undoubtedly the 30-06. At shorter ranges and with 200 grain premium bullets, it has a tremendous impact on the animal.
The 7mm has the edge for longer range use, which is typical here in the west. The 7mm also bucks the wind a little better at longer ranges.
March 1, 2009, 11:26 PM
Either are fine. You'll be happy with either one.
March 2, 2009, 02:09 AM
Flat, Fast, plenty of punch especially with all the ballistic tip ammo out there now. 140 grain 7mm would have less recoil I would think, so less punch to the shoulder when you're sighting in/testing different loads.
Yea, its a bit more expensive factory, but the Gander Mountian in Mooresville NC had bags upon bags of brass in 7mm.
Plus, as one other poster has pointed out I am a bit biased as its my first "big rifle" and I love mine.
March 2, 2009, 02:39 AM
Split the difference and get a .280 Remington. I know I'd have one if I was right handed; I'll never know why it's not more popular.
I can't really answer the original question. I have a 30/06 and love it but have never shot a 7mm. I get the sense that they're somewhat interchangeable. They're both popular for a reason.
March 2, 2009, 08:51 AM
what would be the range on the 7mm?
For hunting, the difference is not a factor. Both have enough power to kill cleanly to 400 yards, which is probably beyond the limit of where most people should shoot, unless you plan on practicing alot.
That said both are capable target rounds well past 1000 yds.
March 2, 2009, 12:13 PM
Nothing wrong with a 7mmMaggie, but for a hunter the '06 is just as effective. In my younger and healthier years, I figured that with my '06, anything inside of 500 yards belonged to me. I was doing a lot more shooting in those years.
I messed around with a 7mmMag for a while, and worked up loads for it. Pouring that much powder into a case really torqued my cheapskate soul. :D So, back to the '06.
I sorta like the '06 as a playtoy. I've loaded 80-grain pistol bullets to around 4,000. I've loaded an 00 ball ahead of five grains of pistol powder for a squirrel load. Beaucoup stuff in between. You can load lead gas checks for cheap plinking. What's not to like?
March 2, 2009, 01:03 PM
I've loaded 80-grain pistol bullets to around 4,000.
Wouldn't they just explode due to velocity?!:what:
What kind of groups?:D
March 5, 2009, 11:22 PM
OK the deal on the 7mm Remmy didnt go through so now Im out for a 30.06. Now Im looking for "THAT" rifle. Any suggestions on manufacters
March 5, 2009, 11:53 PM
I consider the Winchester Featherweight in 30-06 to be the perfect all-around, all American classic rifle. The new versions of this rifle are somewhat hard to find and quality is unknown at this time but I would be tempted to take a chance on one if I didn't already own more rifles than I need.
A Ruger is about $150 cheaper and they are making some pretty darn good rifles at this time. Maybe better than the Winchester.
Nothing at all wrong with a Remington CDL, I just like the others a little better.
I really like the Kimbers, but not in the 30-06 action length they use. In a Kimber I would get either the 308 or 300 WSM.
You do not mention your budget, but a Tikka is probably the most accurate gun for the money.
March 6, 2009, 12:08 AM
I chose the 7 Rem mag over the 30.06 for distance shooting..... as a reloader the price in ammo does not really become a factor for me.....
but if you are still interested in the 30.06 you might consider a .308 if you don't plan on shooting bullets over 180 grain......ballistically the difference is negligible between the 30.06 and .308 unless using 200 grain or larger bullets.The 308 will be preferred in a shorter action....30.06 in a longer action....
so many choices, not enuff money....
March 6, 2009, 12:17 AM
As far as the rifle there are several things to consider. Where you hunt and the type of hunting you do. A 30-06 can be had in several configurations. If this is your ONE RIFLE than a standard bolt action is the way to go. Remington, Ruger, Winchester, Savage, Sako & Tikka all produce good guns. Do youself a favor. Go to a large gun store with a large inventory and get your hands on some rifles...you will figure out what is for you. Good luck!
March 6, 2009, 12:19 AM
Reckon they call that a .280 remington
March 6, 2009, 12:30 AM
30.06. IMO, No other chambering gives the versatility of factory loads from 110 gr varmint loads to 220 gr Elk / Moose loads. I would also vote for the affordability and exceptional accuracy of Savage; take the money you save & invest in quality optics. As an aside, some believe belted magnums like the 7mm are not as inherently accurate, as the belt can prevent a full headspace on the shoulder. My lefty Model 70 7mag is only accurate with very limited ammo; 165 gr Sierra's to be exact. I do not hear of the 30.06 being this finicky.
March 6, 2009, 01:16 AM
You should consider the new Marlin bolt in 30-06. The savage is an excellent buy but I think the Marlin may have out done them.
The XL rifle has an adjustable trigger that feels perfect. Normally I do a trigger job as I don't enjoy anything but a light crisp let off.
Numerous other people were giving good reviews with reports of accuracy that were MOA. Today I just sighted in this Marlin. It was a joy to shoot and is much higher quality than you'd expect for 300 dollars. After I walked POI in I fired a quick 3 shot group which measured 1.25" but had to get back home or I'd have tried to do better. Btw I'm just getting back into shooting after a several year unavoidable layoff so my shooting skills are a bit rusty.
Do a search on the Marlin XL7. The reloads I used are for a different rifle. I'm hoping I can work up a load while getting my skill back and put them in less than MOA.. The accuracy is as good as much more expensive rifles and quality is surprisingly good too.
March 6, 2009, 07:34 AM
i know the 7 mm mag has a good following, and rightfully so. it is a very good useful round. but, there is a reason the 30-06 has been so popular for well over 100 years. it is the single most vesatile caliber ever invented. period. and this is coming from a guy, who doesnt even own one! i used to, but that is a whole different story. anyway, if for nothing else, just think of the huge assortment of ammo choices you have for the 30-06. everything from 55 grain varmint loads, to 240 grain bear stoppers. there is absoloutly NOTHING on the face of north or south america you can not kill with it.
March 6, 2009, 08:16 AM
I still think you should look at a 7mm. ITs not that much more expensive than the 30-06 at last look in the big stores, the one I had was extreemly accurate(rem 700 sendero) out to 600 yards, I could group 6 inches, my brother could group 3 inches with 1 flyer seemed like every time. It is far more versital than the 30-06 as far as lightest to heaviest bullet, you can down load it to save on barrel life
March 6, 2009, 10:15 AM
Please also look at the CZ550 for your .30-06. The CZ's exhibit excellent overall quality, and come with a single-set trigger. Haven't heard anybody gripe about their accuracy either. I've got a couple of CZ's, but in LHB. They haven't released the 550 with LHB's yet, but when they do, I'll get another CZ.
Don't worry about the "short action" nonesense either. You, personally, have to be able to out-shoot the capabilities of a standard (.30-06 length) action before short becomes a real, rather than a fictional, advantage. In the field, don't matter a pile of deer poop.
March 6, 2009, 10:20 AM
"It is far more versital than the 30-06 as far as lightest to heaviest bullet"
This must be a joke, the 06 is the definition of versitle.
Here is an example of what is available from Remington in the Core-Lokt bullet.
7mm Remington Magnum R7MM2 150 Core-Lokt, PSP
7mm Remington Magnum R7MM3 175 Core-Lokt, PSP
7mm Remington Magnum R7MM4 140 Core-Lokt, PSP
30-06 Springfield R30061 125 PSP
30-06 Sringfield R30062 150 Core-Lokt, PSP
30-06 Springfield R30063 150 BR PT
30-06 Springfield R30064 180 Core-Lokt, SP
30-06 Springfield R30065 180 Core-Lokt, PSP
30-06 Springfield R30066 180 BR PT
30-06 Springfield R30067 220 Core-Lokt, SP
30-06 Springfield R3006B 165 Core-Lokt, PSP
30-06 Springfield R30069 55 Accelerator, PSP
March 6, 2009, 02:06 PM
"Versatile," said the spelling-Nazi. :D
March 6, 2009, 02:45 PM
Remington 7mm Mag factory is 139gr Hornady to 175gr by various manufs.
.284 caliber has 100gr Speer TNT to 180gr Berger VLD. Barnes used to make a 195gr, but it was discontinued.
30-06 Springfield factory loads range from 50gr Remington Accelerators, 125gr SP to 220gr by various manufs.
Not sure if the Accelerators were ever available to reloaders. Several bullet weights up to 220gr by various manufs.
Hornady Light Mag ammo for 30-06 is about 100fps slower than a 300 Win Mag.
So I think the 30-06 wins in versatility.
I own a 7mm Mag and load 120gr to 175gr.
We shot a friend's 7mm Mag Rem 700 and a Ruger 77 30-06 on the same day. The 3 of us thought the recoil was about the same.
March 6, 2009, 06:56 PM
WHISTLE, TIME OUT!!
He's already said the 7mm mag deal fell through. We aren't discussing that caliber anymore. Now the discussion is which .30-06.
Or, close this thread & start another to keep the confusion down to a dull roar.
March 6, 2009, 11:36 PM
Sry for not mentioning my porpose for the firearm but its fun my first Elk hunt/paper punching/ varmit hunting rifle.I dont think Ill be shooting out past 200 yrds either , HELL I cant even see that far without a scope, but I love to shoot whenever I get the chance to shoot.
March 7, 2009, 01:05 AM
30-06 is just one of my favorites.
March 7, 2009, 01:50 AM
Duh, LOL--wonder which I would vote for. My standby deer rifle is a Ruger 77 synthetic. Extremely accurate and a pleasure to fire. It replaced my worn out '03. I keep a 74 handy during hunting season in case I get a few minutes away from my normal AO. Nearly everything I own is in '06--don't see any reason to change-lol, wc
March 7, 2009, 02:05 AM
After thinkin about the matter at hand, if the 30.06 works out then that means the.243 Remmy 700 has to go and be replaced with a TC 223 and a 50 cal. barrell in the future.
March 7, 2009, 05:45 AM
If you haven't decided on a rifle yet how can the 7mm Mag choice have gone TU? Just about any rifle you can buy in 30.06 you can but in 7mm Mag for the same price.
Redneck with a 40
March 7, 2009, 12:08 PM
I'm a big fan of the 30 cal and .308/30-06. They are very versatile and have a good trajectory out to 400 yards. The 7mm mag might shoot a few inches flatter, but big deal. You just hold over a little higher.:neener:
March 7, 2009, 01:17 PM
"Too many good rifles/calibers...too little time/money!!!":D:D:D
March 7, 2009, 03:07 PM
If you only have ONE rifle, the either 30-06 or 270 would be the way to go...and on that one I'd put the nod on the 270. It shoots flatter and recoils a little less, and is just as effective on game as the 30-06.
If you want to step up from an existing 270 (or 30-06) then I think the 7mm remmag is wonderful.
Now, another thing to consider is a 2 gun battery right from the get-go
It is very hard to beat a light fast shooter like 243 or 25-06 on one end and the 7mm remington magnum on the other end.
Of course some day you can expand that to a 3 gun battery by adding a 338 winmag if you will confine your hunting to North America...or a 375 H&H if you plan on trotting off to Africa some day.
March 7, 2009, 04:41 PM
25-06 and the 7 mm Mag do make an awesome combo.
March 8, 2009, 06:57 PM
I picked up a Tikka T3 Hunter in 30.06 today and its SWEET. Ive only fired 4 rounds through it just to get a feel for the recoil which its a big teddy bear wanting its belly rubbed. I cant wait to get some glass for it . Im looking at the nikon prostaff or any suggestion would be gratefull.
March 8, 2009, 07:15 PM
What's your budget for glass? Optics are one place where you most assuredly get what you pay for. You can get a bargain, but don't be surprised if you see that line of scopes phased out shortly thereafter.
About a year and a half ago, there were some terrific bargains on Nikon Monarch scopes. Last year Nikon revealed a totally revamped Monarch lineup. Haven't tried one of the new ones yet, I will admit to allowing myself to pig a bit on the old ones.
Congrats on the Tikka Hunter, I'm sure you'll be happy with it, they're excellent guns. I'm currently having one rebarreled into a 6.5 Swede. That's going to wear a Leupold VX III 2.5-8X 36mm. Which I think I got at a good price, on sale. So if you can stretch the budget a bit, you might pick up a lifetime scope.
March 8, 2009, 09:05 PM
Im not tryin to sell the house for the glass but I want something decent Im lookng at Nikon and Leupold. Im thinking 3/9/40 or 50.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 9, 2009, 12:08 AM
When in doubt, get .30-'06. My two cents. Mr. Shawnee, who we haven't seen in awhile (??), might disagree.
"Versatile," said the spelling-Nazi Art, maybe I should have corrected "for all intensive purposes" the other day.
March 9, 2009, 12:20 AM
I shoot both and like them both. I think the '06 is more useful and cheaper to shoot. As mentioned they are both great rounds and will do the job very well. A couple years ago I shot 3 deer at long range. 2 with the 7mm, 1 with the 06. No real difference that I could tell.
March 9, 2009, 12:22 AM
there is nothing a 7mm rem mag can kill that a 30/06 can't. Unless you are shooting over 400 yards there is no need for the 7. I have had both and honestly liked the 06 better. It's cheaper to shoot, less recoil, and extremely accurate. Also its easier to comfortably place a shot with and you can have one extra round in the mag.
March 9, 2009, 02:02 AM
there is nothing a 7mm rem mag can kill that a 30/06 can't. Unless you are shooting over 400 yards there is no need for the 7
Just how far do you want to take that argument?
There is nothing the 30-06 can kill that the 308 can't.
There is nothing the 308 can kill that the 300 savage can't.
There is nothing the 300 savage can kill that the 30-30 can't
Those are great arguments for KEEPING a gun you already have...not for eliminating choices when shopping.
You are right that the 30-06 can do a lot. But then, the list of cartridges that can do a lot are as long as my arm.
The 30-06 and the 270 winchester are very similar, yet I often hear guys saying the 30-06 is a bit more powerful. It is. Thing is, there is a bigger gap in power between the 7mm remington magnum and the 30-06 than there is between the 270 and the 30-06
The 7mm remington magnum shoots a tad harder and shoots a tad flatter. For something like elk, this extends your range a little bit, and it also makes range estimatiom a little more forgiving.
The average deer hunter absolutely does not need a 7mm remington magnum...but then he doesn't need a 30-06 either.
March 9, 2009, 03:53 AM
akodo. I agree 100%, but still believe the 06 is the choice for a one gun battery.
I choose the 7 MM Mag for long range hunting out west and for Elk due to its ability to to penetrate a little better at less than optimal angles.
But then again I have many rifles and can afford to specialize.
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