Sportsman's Warehouse


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coloradokevin
March 1, 2009, 05:42 AM
Anyone know what has been going on with this place lately?

I'm a regular customer at our local Sportsman's Warehouse, and I've always liked the store. The staff is friendly and knowledgeable, and I'm on a first name basis with half of them. Historically they've had a great selection on everything, with reasonable retail prices.

Lately I've been noticing that their shelves are nearly empty, and it doesn't seem like they are making any effort to restock items. I don't know if this is occurring around the country with this chain, or just locally, but this seems to go well beyond the election scares! Most of the other local stores are beginning to carry product again, but Sportsman's is still empty.

For example, here's what I tried to buy today:

-Small pistol primers (any brand)
-.45 caliber bullets between 185-230 grains (any brand, plated or jacketed)
-Power Pistol powder
-Rifle powder suitable for .223


I ended up walking away empty handed! They didn't have ANY primers, except shotshell and one 100 piece box of magnum small pistol primers. There were no bullets available in the caliber I was looking for, and the list of available powder was very short (nothing I noticed that I use).


So, just wondering if anyone else knows what's going on with this store lately? I might need to find a new source if things keep up like they are (today was my third trip there in search of pistol primers).

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buttrap
March 1, 2009, 06:09 AM
The one here is pretty dry too unless you want shoes and other sports wear too

WTBguns10kOK
March 1, 2009, 06:36 AM
They've been empty where I am for a while. Least friendly of the gun dealers I visit, too.

buck460XVR
March 1, 2009, 06:46 AM
The small local gun shop still has in inventory most all reloading type supplies, while the G.M. down the road looks like victim of looting. What the local shop doesn't have in way of guns or supplies, they can order and have in a day or two...the G.M. down the road says it's suppliers are out. The small local store's prices are always lower than the G.M. also. Talking with the owner of the local store the other day he say's it comes down to the economic situation. More money to be made in clothes and shoes.....not enough profit margin in guns and reloading supplies to justify shelf space as compared to the fancy gore-tex hunting jackets. Also, why stock up with new stuff during the Obama scare when you can sell off all your "dogs" at a premium price to folk who will buy anything, thinking it's better than nothing.

U.S.SFC_RET
March 1, 2009, 07:47 AM
Where these companies get this stuff is wholesale. Wholesale orders are backed up because of demand. Demand is clearly outstripping supply.

The Lone Haranguer
March 1, 2009, 09:38 AM
When I lived in Phoenix metro, there were three stores there (North Phoenix, Goodyear and Mesa). The Goodyear store closed down. I would guess that Cabela's (Glendale) and Bass Pro (Mesa) hurt them. SW is not going to stay alive if they don't even try to compete, as indicated in the OP.

dejr2000
March 1, 2009, 09:48 AM
Sportsman Wearhouse close here last year. Used to have a good reloading selection, Bass Pro and Cabelas I suppose pushed them out in this area.

aka108
March 1, 2009, 09:55 AM
A SW was opened here in Tallahassee last Summer. I did not get into the store until November. Seems they have plenty of clothes and Chinese made boots. Gun stuff is almost empty. Have yet to spend one cent there since they have nothing to buy. I wonder if some of their suppliers are saying pay up before we ship any more to you.

420Stainless
March 1, 2009, 10:06 AM
I used to buy quite a bit of ammo there before the panic. The 2 local stores are out of almost everything. I did find a pound of powder last week and they had small rifle primers for the first time in awhile (unfortunately I want LR:mad:). Maybe supply is starting to trickle back. None of the smaller shops in my area have any significant amounts of reloading supplies either.

Auburn1992
March 1, 2009, 10:08 AM
That's what I've been seeing too. Nearly out of all bullets, cases, and powder as well.

They have gotten some of their pistol stock back though - it went from being about 10% full back to about 40% now.

Chindo18Z
March 1, 2009, 10:10 AM
A friend had a conversation with local store employee. Supposedly, Sportsmans Warehouse has been purchased by a firm in Canada. Restocking is on hold until tranfer financial plan is finalized.

achildofthesky
March 1, 2009, 10:13 AM
I went to the local SO and 2 other places yesterday looking for SMP, LMP and LR primers and a pound or 2 of 3031 and 4198. SO had little stock of anything . I ended up with just 1000 cciLR primers and they weren't cheap. I am going to have to breakdown and get 5-10k 22's of various flavors...


Patty

gbran
March 1, 2009, 10:37 AM
There is a new Sportsman Whse 75 miles north of me. I was really disapointed when I finally made the trip. Their stock of almost everything gun related was minimal to non-existant. This is a brand new store.

230RN
March 1, 2009, 10:50 AM
Could it be inventory control? They have to take inventory (usually around this time of year, I think) and pay taxes on their inventory.

Soooo, some retailers balance $ in inventory tax versus $ in lost income from lost sales and make the necessary business decision.

But I haven't done retail work in a looooong time, so someone correct me if I'm off base.

I used to love walking into the 84th Avenue and I-25 one and ogling all the nice trinkets on the wall there. Haven't been in there for a while, though. I'm pretty well stocked up --and I don't have to pay inventory tax.

I also love the art displays near the bathrooms.

Side Note:

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A side note on giving at least a vague idea of your location:

WTBguns10kOK gave this information:

They've been empty where I am for a while. Least friendly of the gun dealers I visit, too.

This "information" would be a lot more significant if we were pivileged to know

Where the men own big trucks and the women drive them

is.

No offense, but I sure wish people were, at least sorta, slightly, more specific about their location when giving out information. No GPS coordinates or anything, just an idea as to whether you're in the Western Hemisphere or not. ;)

By the way, a Police Department is giving out free ammunition to law-abiding citizens. :p

Terry, 230RN

Rancho Relaxo
March 1, 2009, 11:11 AM
The Sportsman's in Reno has been that way for years. Their gun selection is great, and there are two gun counter guys that I know and are knowledgable. Their reloading selection is usually very hit or miss. Primers are really bad with them, and I've never been able to buy 4lb kegs of powder, only 1lb singles. They had SW where I went to college and it was always well stocked.

I went to the Reno store a few years ago when I was shopping for an O/U 12ga. I was talking to one of their shotgun guys and he was pushing a Remington 11/87 instead of a Beretta or Browning like I was looking at! That's gotta be a first... I ended up getting an SKB at a different place, I've been very happy with it.

22-rimfire
March 1, 2009, 11:14 AM
Sportsman Warehouse was bought out by a Canadian firm last year. It remains to be seen what the new ownership is going to do with the stores in general.

The nearest SW to me has been out of most reloading supplies for some time now; especially powder, primers, and handgun caliber bullets.

Their shelves are pretty lean on handgun ammunition also for the time being. They got some Blazer 22 ammo about a week or so ago. I thought I would buy a brick. Returned in a few days and it was all gone.

twoclones
March 1, 2009, 11:30 AM
Sportsmans Warehouse has been purchased by a firm in Canada. Restocking is on hold until tranfer financial plan is finalized.

This is my understanding as well.

devildog66
March 1, 2009, 11:41 AM
I had also heard that the company had been in financial duress and unable to get credit with wholesalers and am finally able to verify this story. Furthermore, this press release from '07 sheds more light on the situation. Below that is the link to a news story about the attempt by a Canadian Co-op in buying SW.

GE Corporate Lending Provides $325 Million to Sportsman's Warehouse
Business Wire , Dec 26, 2007

NORWALK, Conn. -- GE Commercial Finance Corporate Lending today announced it provided a $325 million asset-based credit facility to Sportsman's Warehouse, an outdoor sporting goods retailer. The financing will be used to fund working capital needs. GE Capital Markets arranged the transaction. GE also provides the company with aircraft loan financing through GE Equipment Financial Services.

Based In Midvale, UT, Sportsman's Warehouse has locations throughout the U.S. selling equipment, apparel, footwear and accessories for hunting, fishing and camping.

"We value GE's ability to bring us new ideas and execute well," said Stuart Utgaard, CEO of Sportsman's Warehouse. "We now have a smarter loan structure that provides us with greater liquidity."

"GE worked closely with Sportsman's to structure financing to help support their business plans," said Jim Hogan, managing director of GE Corporate Lending's Retail group. "Understanding our clients' financing needs in combination with an in-depth knowledge of retailing means smarter solutions to help them compete."

http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/4/8/120760984.html

searcher451
March 1, 2009, 11:44 AM
Same thing in my area, with all sorts of stories flying rampant throughout the shooting community as the stock -- particularly in ammo -- has dwindled to almost nothing. I visited the place last weekend, looking for some 9mm, and saw two aisles of virtually empty shelves and no 9mm of any stripe to be found anywhere in the store.

The whispers on the street locally have been of a pending sale, a possible sale, a proposed sale, a forced sale, a shuttering, etc. A couple of the FFL dealers have been licking their chops in anticipation. So it's good to read this info and get an idea of at least something that makes sense about their current plight. Thanks.

earplug
March 1, 2009, 11:55 AM
Due to the banking crisis, and pending sale. the suppliers are demanding payment to deliver, so there cash flow is hurting and they can't buy stuff to restock.
The fishing gear is heavliy discounted too.

ShadyScott999
March 1, 2009, 11:57 AM
Empty for months here in SC.

Weedy
March 1, 2009, 12:00 PM
Went to SW in Woodbury, MN yesterday, thay have a LOT of .40 S&W, but pretty much zero 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 or .357 (except the premium hunting stuff in .357), or 7.62x39. I also stopped at Wal-Mart in the same city, they LITERALLY had one box of .44 mag and one box of .32, and a bunch of different rifle ammo.

Ed Ames
March 1, 2009, 01:34 PM
They opened a store near a friend a couple of years ago, bronze statue out front, special grand opening with discount coupons and rah rah. The coupons hadn't even expired before the store (and a bunch of others) closed.

My take was: bad management blew through their liquidity in an expansion push and couldn't survive at the new size even before any recessions. Look for a circuit city type meltdown.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
March 1, 2009, 01:52 PM
Yep, it's just a cash flow problem preventing inventory restocking. They were on the verge of BK before being bought out by a Canadian group of investors. When the papers are signed, and red tape done, the money will start flowing again, which gets the products rolling. I really hope they survive, because I love the place - it's my second favorite "gun shop" to visit, and the best national chain store in this area.

In the meantime, since they are cash-hungry, great deals can be had - they've had an ongoing sale since January, with items up to 70% off - got some smokin deals on clothing and optics in there. All bows are currently marked way down, also.

Mt Shooter
March 1, 2009, 02:07 PM
Interesting topic, I thought it may be local thing. Last time I was there, about a month ago, there was nothing but empty shelfs.

coloradokevin
March 1, 2009, 02:14 PM
Well, this has been good, as a few posts have confirmed my suspicions!

One of the rumors I've been hearing is that Sportsman's Warehouse hasn't been paying their suppliers, and therefore can't get more inventory. For a good while I suspected that the problem was due to the election, but clearly this goes well beyond election scares now (many of the other stores now have inventory, and sportsman's is still wiped out.

They used to have the best reloading section in the Denver metro area, and now they have empty shelves. Guns are also stripped to the bare minimums, and I couldn't even find a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500-590 in the store last night.

Just Jim
March 1, 2009, 02:19 PM
The one in Salem Or is well stocked in clothes and boots etc. For handguns I guess they have about 25 total and about one third the rifles and shotguns they used to have.

I suspect that even though they may have been bought out there might be a credit problem with the banks. Now that government is moving into the banks one has to wonder if the banks will refuse credit to the gun companies.

jj

desert gator
March 1, 2009, 02:21 PM
I am looking to purchase my first gun, and I have found that on allot of models SW is way cheaper, sometimes 60-80 dollars cheaper than Cabelas. Heres the catch though, I have called every SW in Utah and Arizona and none of them have any of the top 3 guns on my list, and they dont know when they will. They tell me they dont put in specific orders for guns, rather they just put on the shelf what is sent to them. Well Cabelas has all three guns that I am looking for, but is asking as much as $80 dollars more than SW on one of them.

Furncliff
March 1, 2009, 02:30 PM
Last month my wife was in Grand Junction Co. and I asked her to pick up some things at S/W ... nada, nothing. I was there yesterday and I was shocked. The shelves of ammo and reloading supplies were a vast waste land. My local sporting goods store has higher prices but has most of what I need and they're great to deal with.

Mainsail
March 1, 2009, 02:33 PM
…and it doesn't seem like they are making any effort to restock items.

So it’s your contention that they have given up on the business model of making money merely to annoy you? Seems a little narcissistic to me. I’ve seen them put stuff on the shelf only to have it snapped up before they’ve even turned away. That’s the way it is right now. I was in Cabela’s yesterday and was genuinely surprised to see a whole brick of Winchester large pistol primers; they've been out for months whenever I visited. I bought them all.

GeezerwithGuns
March 1, 2009, 02:42 PM
I used to shop at the SW on Wadsworth. Even bought a couple of shotguns and some holsters there a couple of years back. I also used SW as a source for bulk ammo as they had pretty competitive prices and good selection. Now they have absolutly nothing. They have several empty display end caps that used to be stacked high with ammo that are empty now. The back wall where they display handguns is probably only 20% full.

I think that they are quietly going out of the gun business. This store is actually located within the Denver city limits, so they couldn't have benefitted by the recent surge in sales of black rifles since by Denver law, they can't sell them (Colorado is a home rule state).

With the new ownership, I'm not sure that they even will try to stay in the firearms market. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually went out of business altogether. Without the guns, they are just another REI, and we've already got one of those only a couple of blocks away.

Oh well. Green Mountain Guns is only about 5 miles away and their business is going crazy. :rolleyes:

Texas Moon
March 1, 2009, 02:54 PM
It's the same in the store in San Antonio.
Shelves been bare for months.
Way back when they opened I stopped in several times for reloading supplies.
I was shocked at what they wanted. The prices were way out of line.
They used to have a decent selection of new firearms but even that is pretty lean now except for high end Zumbo Fudd long guns.

Runningman
March 1, 2009, 03:03 PM
The Sportsman's in Reno has been that way for years.I used to stop by the one in Reno when I visited. I noticed the same thing.

They built a Sportsman's warehouse by me about 2 1/2 years ago. Filled it up with all kinds of goodies. I swear it seems like very little restocking took place in the gun dept since they opened. As an example they have been out of a particular Warne ring mounts for more than two years. More than a few of the brass bins in the reloading section have been empty more than a 1 1/2 years. Yet the clothing section always seems to be well stocked. The only reason I even stop by my SW once in a while is they are less than a 1/2 mile from my local gun dealer.

average_shooter
March 1, 2009, 03:04 PM
Went to SW in Woodbury, MN yesterday, thay have a LOT of .40 S&W, but pretty much zero 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 or .357 (except the premium hunting stuff in .357), or 7.62x39.

I've noticed the same at that store. Lots of .40 S&W and .22-250. Not much of anything else. Last time I was there a week or so ago I ended up buying the last couple boxes of 00 and #4 buckshot too.

But the guys behind the counter have been great to deal with and honest, to the best of my knowledge, so I keep going in hope of finding the reloading supplies I've been looking for.

Redneck with a 40
March 1, 2009, 03:42 PM
Everytime I go into our local Sportsmans Warehouse, they don't have the powder I'm looking for, Unique, Universal, Blue Dot. I've just about given up on them, its pretty much a joke right now.

ChefJeff1
March 1, 2009, 03:46 PM
The one here in twin falls has virtually 0 pistol ammo! No reloading supplies to speak of and their gun inventory is wadown. It used tobe that the rifles were 5-6 deep in the racks, now there is 1-2 plus some straggglers. Same with handguns. However, they have a ton of clothes. I give up going there and leaving empty handed.

Legionnaire
March 1, 2009, 03:51 PM
I was in the SW in Pgh yesterday; looked like they had a good selection of firearms, but the ammo shelves were pretty sparsely stocked. Didn't even have much in the way of .22 ammo. Hope they get the cash flow situation settled soon.

ldyates
March 1, 2009, 03:57 PM
The SW that used to be here ran that way as well. Trying to be the Walmart/Dell of inventory control, but lack the technology and SCM to get there.

If you are just now noticing this; then my guess is that a "store closing" sale may be around the corner. Our store went from low inventory, to no inventory in a matter of weeks then they shut it down. Terribly unfortunate because I liked that store better than BPS or Cabelas.

I do hope they open a new one around Dallas someday.

devildog66
March 1, 2009, 04:02 PM
It is a shame to see the state of what this store has become. In times past they had the most extensive inventory combined with the best pricing. Their prices came darn close to WM but with a bazillion more sporting items to choose from. I like to look around at Gander Mtn but they can get stuffed given how much more the goods cost at that store. I'd rather have less glitz, better price, and comparable inventory.

X-Rap
March 1, 2009, 08:44 PM
Take a look at the store maps for Cabelas, Pro Bass, Gander, Dicks, SW. In the last 5 BOOM yrs there have been an explosion of Sporting Goods store being built and the are begining to suffer from the Starbucks Syndrome only there are many more companys involved.
In Denver afaik they have never built the Cabelas that was planed but they have many of the other big 5 or 6 stores. I expect to see a major reorganizing in all of the big SG stores and maybe one of the big 2 Cabelas/Pro Bas to fold. SW if it can get capitalized and hold their stores in markets that don't have the big competition should make it.
What kind of store would fit into one of the big Cabelas or Pro Bass?

Kind of Blued
March 1, 2009, 10:36 PM
I go to the Thornton store and have noticed this as well. I guess the "buy-out" news makes sense, but I really can't understand the logic of letting a company tank while you go through the process of buying it... :confused:

heavyshooter
March 1, 2009, 10:44 PM
They are bone dry here as well. They don't even have .22 ammunition. I asked one of the guys in the store what was going on and he said that they are still trying to recover from the "Obama Rush." Much of their inventory is accounted for before it gets to the store so they are having trouble restocking.

xx7grant7x
March 1, 2009, 11:05 PM
i just wanted some .22lr .....

mjkten
March 1, 2009, 11:13 PM
I have heard that other stores are also having trouble keeping their shelves stocked. It seems with the government at war with business, that everyone is waiting to see what happens next. Of course, the OP said the shelves were empty at SW, but he only meant shooting supplies. Hey bud, thats the situation everywhere, from gun shops to Wal Mart. Get what you can if you can find it.

ThrottleJockey
March 2, 2009, 12:25 AM
I haven't been since just before Christmas, but at that time the one in Coon Rapids MN was well stocked with everything. Wait, they did not have the Bowie knife I wanted and did not know when they would get it. But they had plenty of ammo, loading supplies, handguns and EBRs. I even bought a cane made from a buffalo penis for my grandfather:eek:

brandnew
March 2, 2009, 01:14 AM
I went by the SW in portland oregon and the whole reloading section looked like a ghost town. Only primers available were for shotgun. Nuts man.

RedAlert
March 2, 2009, 03:19 AM
I don't know if the Canadian buyout or finances are the root cause or not. I do know that at my local Sportsman Warehouse, the shelves of rifle ammo are low, pistol ammo in almost bare. Pistols are on "reserved for pre-orders" and the rifles and shotguns are well stocked. When the pistols arrive, those folks who got on a waiting list get first dibs. I was lucky a couple of weeks ago and got my Kahr PM-40, because the guy who pre-ordered, changed his mind.

I think the largest part of this issue is the amazing demand by citizens who suddenly have swamped the supply system. Sort of like the hoards who gut a grocery store as soon as they hear of a shortage on tomatoes and the like.

For the record, the sales folks are surprised by the overwhelming run on CCW class of weapons.

CoRoMo
March 2, 2009, 11:01 AM
Anyone know what has been going on with this place lately?

Let me fill you in on something.
An anti-gun liberal was elected to the office of president. That caused a nationwide panic to purchase all things firearm, so as to acquire the very things he (the POTUS) will try and ban. This includes the items you listed as being out-of-stock at your local store. All clear now?

My local S.W. has experienced the same thing. They order in their merchandise, and it flies right off the shelf. Their ammo isle looks a little better these days, but the important stuff doesn't stay on the shelf for more than a day.

GEM
March 2, 2009, 12:21 PM
The Cabela's up the road from San Antonio is reasonably well stocked.

One SW here folded - they picked a bad demographic. The other is, as mentioned, real low on stuff. However, the Academy across the street and down the road has things.

Probably, they are going the way of the Oldsmobile. Too bad - they were nice stores for awhile.

ldyates
March 2, 2009, 12:43 PM
^^^ +1

Liberals in charge is not the issue. Plenty of goods at others stores, but not at the SW a few months before it closed up. They also picked a bad location in DFW that was hard to access which did not help the cause.

New cash and leadership may help, but it does no good to open a store only to have the customers leave without buying anything. Reduce the number of products and cost followed by smaller stores in better locations seems to make sense.

The 121 corridor is wide open with little competition... come back to DFW SW.

WTBguns10kOK
March 2, 2009, 08:29 PM
Terry230RN, I understand your consternation, though I think the consensus here has been arrived at by a general look at SW's status.

To find my place -
1. Turn right on your street (Happy Lane) (2.3 mi)
2. Bear left past the moose, bighorn, elk, and drunk driver (1051 mi)
3. Continue until sign for ":) WTBguns10kok's house :)" (411 mi.)
4. Arrive at destination with pizza (please).

lukepriebe
March 2, 2009, 09:39 PM
The one here opened and closed within 6 months.

shaggy430
March 2, 2009, 09:44 PM
My mom works for SW. She said that the Canadian buyout hasn't become finalized yet. There was a lot of hope a couple of months ago that things were going to look up and suppliers were going to get paid. So far it hasn't happened yet.

Lonestar.45
March 2, 2009, 09:52 PM
It's a shame. The one near me was awesome up until about a year ago, then the empty shelf syndrome took hold. I heard the same thing too, it had to do with the buyout and distribution problems.
I can't tell you how many boxes of Q3131 5.56 I bought for $5/box from them until supply went dry and prices went up. Now all they're good for is the odd Weatherby Magnum factory box ammo for $50/box because that's all they have.
They do have a pretty good gun selection and I've bought pistols and rifles from them in the last year.
I hope they get it straightened out.

goose2
March 2, 2009, 11:17 PM
I don't want the one in my home town to close but I could care less if it did. The only thing I purchased from them was reloading supplies and they have none because they are on COD only with all there suppliers.
I could see them going tits up because of the way they do business. I tried to get them to get me a $700 re loader they were out of from another one of there stores and the mgr. said we will call you when it gets here. Guess what, they never ever called me back. Terrible way to do business with terrible employees. In my eyes they get what they deserve.

elkhuntingfool
March 2, 2009, 11:19 PM
They used to be good and had a good supply of everything - now there is nothing on the shelves - unless you fish or need clothes. Other than that - nada. Hell - not even a bottle of brass polish :(

Judicator
March 2, 2009, 11:22 PM
I just went to the SW in Salem today, and it was a real shock. The wall of handguns was almost completely empty, ditto the supply of quality JHP ammo. The only handgun ammo they had was .45 ball, some 10mm and .44 Magnum. The selection of holsters was also rather sparse. The only thing I walked out of the store with was a Limbsaver recoil pad. Just tragic.

230RN
March 3, 2009, 12:59 AM
WTBguns10kOK

Well, I guess you're right, from the subsequent comments... it's doesn't look like a regular annual inventory reduction.


And no offense, but I still sure wish people were, at least sorta, slightly, more specific about their location when giving out information. No GPS coordinates or anything, just an idea as to whether you're in the Western Hemisphere or not.

Could be helpful, ya know?

Terry, 230RN

andcam
March 3, 2009, 02:51 AM
I've been quietly stalking the S/W in Aurora, CO (Off of Alameda) and occasionally they have some stuff.

They get their shipments in on Friday, btw...atleast that's what the counter guy said. Last Friday I picked up some BL-C(2) (last can) and HP-38 (Last Can)...but there really wasn't anything else.

Haha, I guess I'll know who's on THR from Colorado when I go there at noon on Friday...kicking myself for letting the word out, but hey, gotta help a brother out!

dominojay
March 3, 2009, 04:12 AM
plenty of guns in green bay but hardly a bullet to be found

heavyshooter
March 6, 2009, 02:55 AM
I've been quietly stalking the S/W in Aurora, CO (Off of Alameda) and occasionally they have some stuff.

This is the same one I visit. I'll see you there. :D

Mr. Bojangles
March 7, 2009, 08:34 AM
Our SW in southeast Washington is nearly empty. The staff behind the counter say they just aren't able to keep anything in stock since the panic.

Redneck with a 40
March 7, 2009, 12:02 PM
The SW I frequent is in Colorado Springs, ditto the bare shelves.:cuss:

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