I own an AR... I dont really like it.


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axeman_g
March 1, 2009, 11:10 PM
All,
I built a AR a few weeks ago, Bush A4 Flattop, 16 Stainless HB, basic setup. I have shot it a few times so far and I dont really like it. I cant tell why. I used to have a FAL rifle and it just made me grin. I shoot a 10/22 alot and have a good time with it, out to 100 yards very accurately. But this BR just doesnt do it for me.
I built the rifle because I thought I should have one, it made sense in a SHTF scenario, it was a good deal on parts, it was a great lesson in building one. I am not that accurate with it yet, minute of pie plate at 100 I like to say.


I was considering trading it for a Rem 700 SPS or Savage FP10, either in .308

Or..... Should I scope it, free float the barrel and turn it into a Urban Tactical Sniper unit.... something for hitting out to 600 yards, I can shoot out to that distance.

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WardenWolf
March 1, 2009, 11:17 PM
AR's are modular and highly customizable, particularly the flattops. My recommendation is to look at various options and setups and find something you like, something that you think will be comfortable for you, and then go for it. If you can't find any setups you like for the AR, by all means switch it for something else.

spyder1911
March 1, 2009, 11:36 PM
I own an AR... I dont really like it.

I used to have a FAL rifle and it just made me grin.

ARs are going for a premium right now, so just sell your AR and buy yourself a FAL. No sense in keeping it if you dont like it.

Boba Fett
March 1, 2009, 11:37 PM
I'm sorry your AR experience was so disappointing.

It sounds like you were hoping your AR would be a more accurate long range rifle.

Not that they can't be (and you can certainly get more accuracy out of your AR with various modifications), but IMHO, the AR is a very close range to 300 or 400 yard rifle (I think they are supposed to be effective to something like 600 yards).

You can get an AR to poke paper at 1000 yards. How effective it would be against a person/animal at that range many people will debate. But a setup like that, from what I've seen, usually requires a very expensive and often modified AR with match grade or hand load ammo.

A pie plate size at 100 yards with an AR your first time out isn't bad at all. Practice close range (25-50 yards). Get the sighting down, get your practice down, then move out to farther yardage.

My first 5 shots at 50 yards with my RRA Entry Tactical were all high left but were all in a silver dollar sized grouping. So I started playing with the sights to get my grouping in the center of the target. My first target looked like I had no idea how to shoot; I had lines going from the top left to the mid-bottom right. My second target (after I got the sighting in all taken care of) was much better and I was very happy with my placement being the first time out with the rifle.


I'd say you should keep your AR, practice and tinker with it. There are certainly many many options to customize it to your liking and get more out of it.
And get the Savage 10FP LE1 in 308 with the 20" heavy barrel. Then you'll have a good long range rifle with excellent stopping power at greater distances than the AR. If the SHTF, you take your 10FP for the long distance sniping and the AR for the closer urban stuff, and a 45 pistol (or your caliber of choice) for the really close stuff.

vector248
March 1, 2009, 11:42 PM
AR's are amazingly modular. that said, i don't paralytically like mine either, other than they are fun to shoot, and i carried one in the army. If you don't like your AR sell it and get something you do. plus you can most likely make $$$ on it right now.

Wesson Smith
March 2, 2009, 12:05 AM
I have 3 ARs, and I have to agree with the OP that I don't quite
get the charge out of shooting them that I do from my FAL.
Having said that, I would be hard pressed to part with any of
them. They're just too versatile not to have in the stable.

axeman_g
March 2, 2009, 12:11 AM
Thanks all....

I think I will try scoping it and see if that helps me like it more. I like shooting long range am thinking I might like to get something heavier for that task. I am a shotgun guy mostly, so anything in close I am a going to a 12g.

I am going to work on it, versatitlity... I will look at it with that word on my mind.

rangerruck
March 2, 2009, 02:13 AM
with a 16 inch bbl, I would red dot it, green laser it, and put on co witnessed buis, and turn it into a zombie confrontation fragmentation device...

husker
March 2, 2009, 02:50 AM
they grow on ya

Ignition Override
March 2, 2009, 04:13 AM
Is it the gun's feel etc or accuracy?

I only shoot because there is a small river near the city and can blast any container down there. Holes in paper don't motivate me to shoot. If this just might be the case with you, can you find somebody way outside a town in NJ or PA with a bit of open land, who will let you shoot into a small stream with a deep steep bank behind it? Some gun clubs allow small plastic jugs and other junk to remain on the handgun range and this is fun with rifles (who needs a "tight group gun" if it is fun?).

Maybe an SKS for very short distance shooting in a safe setting can cure you...but like most shooters you probably only want to display good paper target results to other guys. If I 'kicked the bucket' next week, no regrets about really enjoying my carbines.

feudalson
March 2, 2009, 04:41 AM
wanna sell ?

C-grunt
March 2, 2009, 05:13 AM
The AR is usually a pretty accurate rifle. The sights on it are battle type sights. They are pretty darn good sights but they are not the same as target type peep sights.

Now I can tell you from experience that your average AR wont shoot anywhere near a Savage 10FP. I traded someone on here, sorry I cant remember your name right now, my old Savage 10FP with Leupold MKIV 3x9 for his AR.

My Savage would print sub inch groups all day long and broke under the half inch mark @ 100 yards when I was having a good day. I shoot my AR with standard A2 irons into probably 3-4 inch groups. But I know thats just me and the rifle is a bit more accurate than that. Now that I moved 40 miles from my range, I dont get out shooting very often.

JDGray
March 2, 2009, 06:34 AM
Keep it, and practice! If your target shooting, a better trigger will help, you didn't say if you had a two stage. The grungy single stage, suck. The ammo you shoot matters, too. I can hold moa with my AR at 100yrds, with a bipod and a scope, no bags. But it wont hold a candle to my 10FP:D

pgeleven
March 2, 2009, 07:01 AM
well no crap, you used to have a FAL. a semi-auto 223 has NOTHING on that rifle, so yeah i can see why it would be a bit of a letdown. take it for what it is, a smaller round with light recoil that can work around 600-800 yards in a consistent manner

and who doesnt have fun with a 10/22? you can shoot all day and it doesnt cost crap. if 22LR was 50-75 cents per round like most other ammo then the 10/22 wouldnt be popular at all.

Zach S
March 2, 2009, 09:31 AM
and who doesnt have fun with a 10/22? I dont. But with a dedicated rimfire 1911, AR15, and a GSG-5, I do have plenty of fun with rimfires.

ATW525
March 2, 2009, 10:19 AM
I just sold my last two ARs, because I came to the conclusion that they really weren't doing much for me. With the money I got from two ARs I was able to finance the purchase of five rifles and shotguns that are a much better fit for me. I couldn't be happier!

steveracer
March 2, 2009, 10:23 AM
I got out of ARs recently, and don't miss them one bit.
I have found shotgunning and single-shot rifle shooting to be much more enjoyable. Don't worry about it.

SwearNoAllegiance
March 2, 2009, 10:27 AM
I got out of ARs recently, and don't miss them one bit.
I have found shotgunning and single-shot rifle shooting to be much more enjoyable. Don't worry about it.

Same here.

AR's are over-rated. If I ever buy another weapon like that it is going to be an AK.

kirkcdl
March 2, 2009, 11:26 AM
Get an AK in 223,best of both worlds...

Eightball
March 2, 2009, 11:36 AM
I would say to try out one of two options before getting rid of your AR. Try the long-range setup--it shouldn't be hard to tweak the rifle to your liking. Second option? Maybe get a dedicated .22 upper, or a conversion unit, to putz around with for cheap while you tinker with your AR to get it where you want it.

And, if all else fails--hey, it's VERY doable for a rifle to not have a soul to an individual--sell it to someone on THR, I'm sure they'll be happy to take it off your hands for a reasonable price. Maybe you'll even get a good trade in on an FAL, who knows.

benEzra
March 2, 2009, 12:08 PM
ARs are going for a premium right now, so just sell your AR and buy yourself a FAL. No sense in keeping it if you dont like it.
I agree 100% with that sentiment. Sell the AR or trade it on a FAL, if that's what you like.

DS Arms makes some very nice FAL's, with MIL-STD-3001 optics rails even.

http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Rifles/departments/8

minutemen1776
March 2, 2009, 12:57 PM
Get rid of that AR and buy something you like! There are just too many great guns available to have wads of cash tied up in something you dislike, for whatever reason. I have, on many occasions, become enamored with the idea of a particular gun, only to learn that in practice I really didn't like that gun much at all. It could be poor ergonomics, disappointing accuracy, recoil, mechanical issues, or a number of other things, some of which can't even be articulated very well because it boils down to something just not feeling right with the gun. These let-downs can the especially frustrating when the gun in question is very popular, such as your AR. When that happens, it almost feels like something is wrong with me, since almost everyone else seems to love whatever gun it is that I'm not liking. This has happened to me with Glocks, DA revolvers, lever-action rifles, and a few other popular platforms. But, I've learned to get over it and embrace my own preferences, however quirky they may be. After all, it's all about what the shooter/purchaser likes, not what everyone else thinks is the best firearm to have.

Bill2e
March 2, 2009, 01:10 PM
To each his own, if buy all mean you do not like the AR there is nothing wrong with selling it.

No need to have guns in the safe that you do not like or shoot.

If that money can be utlized in a better place buy all means go for it.

Many people love the platform, but the choice is yours.

CelticGhost
March 2, 2009, 01:20 PM
Depends on your objective. I think Boba Fetts' got it right. I have a Remmington SPS Varmiter in .308 with a Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40mm Long Range scope for reaching out there, a StagArms M4 with an EOTech holographic sight for mid-range use and a Kimber Pro Carry in .45 for the up close and personal touch. Couldn't be happier with the choices.

wyocarp
March 2, 2009, 01:33 PM
The AR doesn't do much for me either. If I sold my personal guns, I'd probably sell mine. If I grab for something like that out of the safe, it is going to be an AK. For me, the AR's accumulate more safe time than guns in the never fired category because I at least wipe them down.

runrabbitrun
March 2, 2009, 01:53 PM
Aren't the AR's being made now, made with NON mil. spec. barrels?

I don't know crap about this stuff anymore since I
have not been in the know for years.
(Ex Military, limited training in the late 70's).

I mean, I'm under the assumption that to purchase one now
and try to run say, military ammo through it, could cause
the barrel to split or become ineffective due to the mil. ammo?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, just looking for justification of
my last purchase of an SKS that we researched, that appears to be
of Military grade specs.
(I can pick up the military ammo
off a neutralized threat and use it in my SKS.
I believe.)

benEzra
March 2, 2009, 02:06 PM
Aren't the AR's being made now, made with NON mil. spec. barrels?

I don't know crap about this stuff anymore since I
have not been in the know for years.
(Ex Military, limited training in the late 70's).

I mean, I'm under the assumption that to purchase one now
and try to run say, military ammo through it, could cause
the barrel to split or become ineffective due to the mil. ammo?
Most AR barrels use a milspec 5.56x45mm chamber, and most are chrome lined. You can also get SAAMI .223 Remington chambers or hybrid chambers (".223 Wylde") that split the difference, but most are true 5.56x45, and can use milsurp ammo with no problem.

nathan
March 2, 2009, 02:18 PM
Not to flame anyone but I think the prices of AR is way too over the top.
It is overhyped as well . Cant blame anyone. Its where the money for those looking to look Rambo. I suggest not draining too much money into it to make what you want it. The best is hold back and go back to basics. A simple bolt action rifle Remington 700 in .223 with good scope will print half MOA anyday with good loads. And the cost isnt gonna par with the bells and whistles of an AR.

amd6547
March 2, 2009, 02:55 PM
Looking "Rambo" has nothing to do with it for me. I built a retro A1 style AR15 and love it. Later, I added an A1 style heavy barrel shorty upper. With either installed, I can plink a clay pigeon at 100 yards using the A1 irons on the first shot.
Most of the time, I keep the full length A1 upper on it...An M16A1 was the first centerfire rifle I ever fired, in the small arms firing school at Camp Perry.

benzy2
March 2, 2009, 03:23 PM
With the environment we are living in I have one I'm leaving unshot and one to play around with. I figure in the next 4 years prices will at worst hold steady and I can get my money back and at best I will make a bit. I find them fun and versatile. I like being able to go blasting at the range with a red dot, shoot high power with irons, and can scope it and hunt anything smaller than a deer all with just an optic change. It gives me a lot of room to play with only one firearm. Any firearm that goes bang makes me grin so I'm not one to really understand the dislike of a given firearm.

Eb1
March 2, 2009, 03:30 PM
I too do not care for the rambo look. When I was younger kids on the block played Army and such. I always took the M14 as my main rifle.

Now that I am adult I decided to buy a full capacity battle rife. I built a CMMG lower with a parts kit and a used A2 stock. I bought a Colt HBAR upper, and the gun cost me a total of $515.00.

I can shoot an entire magazine of BH 55 grain soft points into a quarter off a bench, and just recently started shooting the Sierra MatchKing in 69 grains. With the SMK I put 20 rounds in a 1/2 with my irons off a bench. This is at 100 yards for both groups mentioned.

I think my AR-15 can match your Remmy 700 easily. Also as far as being over the top. My gun has nothing on it but what a standard A2 issue comes with, iron sights and basic forearms. Nothing fancy or over the top about it. Put a 10 or 20 round mag in and it is very manageable. With a 30 rounder it become a little harder to shoot prone.

yokel
March 2, 2009, 03:45 PM
Hopefully, this experience has taught you vital lessons, among them: tyrants cannot be appeased, peace cannot be purchased and there is no substitute for .308 battle rifles!

SwampWolf
March 2, 2009, 05:45 PM
Get rid of that AR and buy something you like! There are just too many great guns available to have wads of cash tied up in something you dislike, for whatever reason. I have, on many occasions, become enamored with the idea of a particular gun, only to learn that in practice I really didn't like that gun much at all. It could be poor ergonomics, disappointing accuracy, recoil, mechanical issues, or a number of other things, some of which can't even be articulated very well because it boils down to something just not feeling right with the gun. These let-downs can the especially frustrating when the gun in question is very popular, such as your AR. When that happens, it almost feels like something is wrong with me, since almost everyone else seems to love whatever gun it is that I'm not liking. This has happened to me with Glocks, DA revolvers, lever-action rifles, and a few other popular platforms. But, I've learned to get over it and embrace my own preferences, however quirky they may be. After all, it's all about what the shooter/purchaser likes, not what everyone else thinks is the best firearm to have.

I've never heard it articulated better than this, minutemen1776. Good job!

franconialocal
March 2, 2009, 05:56 PM
+1 SWAMPWOLF So true. I have this crazy comparison fight going on about my AR and my newly refurb. SKS......and I have to stop:banghead::banghead: because there is no comparison. Two different rifles with two different personalities. I'm a Chevy guy....are you a Ford guy?

It's all about the feel :D:p:D:p and it's very very sujective.

I've ditched the Walther P22. Not that it wasn't a great gun. It just wasn't "for me". I'm SO feeling this post right now. Me and my buddy were just talking about this. He's an AK guy, I'm an AR guy. He's a GLOCK dude, I'm all SIG.....crazy:banghead: We argue all the time. We constantly show eachother up at the range. No logical explination except that I'm me and he is an idiot!!!!:D

Get what you like, and what works for you.....

minutemen1776
March 3, 2009, 11:53 AM
Thanks, SwampWolf. I appreciate the compliment. I'm just glad there are others who feel the same way. Sometimes I get wrapped up in the idea that I should like a particular gun, and I just don't. As an example, I don't know how many times I've gone to the gun store or gun show with cash in hand to browse the AKs. Even though I approach the counter fully intending to make a purchase, all that evaporates when I shoulder the rifle, because it just doesn't feel right. At least, though, I've never laid out any cash for an AK I didn't like. I can't say that about everything. There are some gun types (e.g. Glocks) that I've had to buy and sell more than once to learn that I just don't care for them.

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