Is A Romanian SAR a good Ak-47?


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daddyteague
March 2, 2009, 02:45 PM
I just bought an AK-47 made in Romania ,SAR 1,Is this ak a reliable weapon and a good investment?

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husker
March 2, 2009, 03:01 PM
i dont no. the only real way is to go put a 1000 rounds through it and see how it does. as long as Va laud Dracula didnt put it together youll be allright.

Duke of Doubt
March 2, 2009, 03:06 PM
I've had one for almost a decade. Greatest thing since sliced bread. Much more accurate than expected. Thousands of rounds through it with nothing broken. Nice sidefolder stock available. Light and handy. Concealable, in my state. And tres chic.

TIMC
March 2, 2009, 03:20 PM
I have an SAR1 and it is a very nice AK-47. Mine is a great shooter but I don't know about the gun as an investment. They are going up in value but I doubt it will ever make you rich. I know they are over going for more than double what I paid for mine in 2002.

benEzra
March 2, 2009, 03:38 PM
Yes, on all counts.

nalioth
March 2, 2009, 03:48 PM
1) there are less than 200 AK-47's in this country.

2) the only guns that are good investments are NFA weapons.

3) the SAR line of Romanian rifles was at the upper end of their offerings. They are a solid Kalashnikov design.

DaveinPA
March 2, 2009, 04:41 PM
I have two and both have been flawless.

Nicked, scratched and ugly, but flawless.

I wouldn't sell either one.

fjr05
March 2, 2009, 05:57 PM
I have one and and its a good clone.I just picked up a Saiga sport and I'm in the middle of doing a conversion,the saiga is the best keep secret for the AK,just my humble opinion.

WardenWolf
March 2, 2009, 06:14 PM
SAR's are good. So are Saigas. WASR's range from bad to great, although newer ones tend to be better.

I converted my Saiga .223 about a month ago, and I just received my Romanian handguards today. Already got them sanded and ready for staining.

daddyteague
March 2, 2009, 07:31 PM
Thanks for the info.I had a Mak 90 once and sold it,I think I will keep this one and shoot the heck out of it.Ithank all of you members for the info and thoughts.David

Gelgoog
March 2, 2009, 08:00 PM
I would say they are pretty decent, much better then the WASR but still on the lower range of AKs. Not quite as good as Saigas, Bulgarians, norincos or hungarians. Romanians in general tend to be on the lower end of the scale, but SARs are probably the better of the romanians sooo....for what its worth.

geojap
March 2, 2009, 08:04 PM
Times sure have changed when a SAR is considered a good rifle. 10 years ago, people avoided them.

I'm sure your rifle will work fine but it's remarkable to see how much sentiment has changed based on what is available and also what has gone from a $250 to a $500+ rifle.

Duke of Doubt
March 2, 2009, 08:25 PM
geojap: "Times sure have changed when a SAR is considered a good rifle. 10 years ago, people avoided them."

Ten years ago they were the only ones available, so if anyone tried to avoid them, they failed. They turned out to be excellent. Some of the other makes mentioned above varied in quality, and the Saiga isn't even an AK-pattern.

nathan
March 2, 2009, 08:32 PM
Got mine from a guy in Idaho in 2002 for $300 with three mags. ALmost had 1000 rds in it as i dont shoot much. THe rifle shoots really good. Average of 4inch grp at 100 yds on sandbag slow fire using Ulyanovk HP. This is my bug out rifle in case the mother of all crisis comes along. GOd forbid.


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc127/Dongha_97/HPIM1670.jpg

geojap
March 2, 2009, 08:33 PM
Ten years ago they were the only ones available, so if anyone tried to avoid them, they failed.

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by this, since it seems to be completely wrong at first inspection. I'm still trying to find out how it's not wrong.

I bought my SSR-99 ten years ago, one of the best AK clones ever made. Are you saying it, along with the SLR and SSR series rifles like the SLR-95, SLR-93, SSR-85(a,b,c), SA-M5, and SA-M7 weren't available then?

People would not touch a SAR with a 10 foot pole back then if they could get an SLR-95 for $150 more.

Duke of Doubt
March 2, 2009, 08:44 PM
At least in Maryland, none of those other guns you mentioned were available during the ban years.

lionking
March 2, 2009, 08:52 PM
During the ban years preban styles went crazy in price,all you could get for a while were the ones with the Planet of the apes looking stocks.Then they came out with the Egypt and Romanian AK's that looked like the real deal accepting hi cap mags minus the flash hider.

And best of all they were only $300 new.Once the Norinco and Polytech's were $300 new before Bush senior caved in.But I bought a SAR1 and SAR2.Glad I did,they have been flawless,rough grindy triggers though.Still determining their accuracy but 4 to 6 inches at 100yds seems to the ball park they will do with certain ammo.And up to 8 or 9 inch groups with some ammo to.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5235364&postcount=68

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5212546&postcount=66

coosbaycreep
March 2, 2009, 09:40 PM
I've got 1500-2000 rounds through my SAR-1 with only 1 jam, and that was with winchester ammo, so that was probably just the gun's way of telling me it preferred the commie ammo to the capitalist pig ammo.

The only thing I don't like about mine is that the trigger is getting a bunch of slap or something, but I eventually plan on replacing it with a better aftermarket one. Just haven't got around to it yet.

My SAR is one of the very few guns I'd never ever sell, and it's my primary SHTF gun.

nathan
March 2, 2009, 09:53 PM
Commie ammo for commie gun . That sounds about right .

FMJMIKE
March 3, 2009, 09:51 PM
I love my two Sar-1s...............:D:D:D
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/Sar1a2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/sar1a.jpg

benEzra
March 3, 2009, 10:15 PM
Here's mine, with a 20-round Hungarian tank-crew magazine and Kobra optic:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1168567538/med_gallery_260_23_20379.jpg

FMJMIKE, I see you like the 20's too...

iscareliberalsandlikeit
March 3, 2009, 10:20 PM
I've owned my romanian SAR-1 for about four years now. I've had one jam in 2500rnds and zero missfires. Ugly as sin compaired to most Arsenals, Spuds, and Norincos. Lower end of the AK spectrum but I like mine. You'll enjoy it, more if the price is right. Better get your evil black rifle while you can. CHANGE is a coming...too bad. 3-4" groups at 100yrds using wolf or brown bear lacquered case crap. I wish I would have dropped and extra 200 on something prettier with less trigger slap. Fifty rounds and I wish I had a glove. OWCH! These I hear are notorious for it.

benEzra
March 3, 2009, 11:04 PM
I wish I would have dropped and extra 200 on something prettier with less trigger slap. Fifty rounds and I wish I had a glove. OWCH! These I hear are notorious for it.
A Tapco G2 trigger group ($33) will fix that, and reportedly gives you a nicer trigger pull than a lot of mass-market hunting rifles.

http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?id=7f8c130c-3761-48e3-9560-894e018c8330

The retaining plate (to replace the little retaining spring thingy) reportedly makes installation easier:

http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?id=a6d831d9-7032-41e7-b118-95fc4a96e9ab

My factory trigger had a little slap when I first bought it, but it has smoothed up over time. I still plan to put a G2 in it in the near future, though.

skeet king
March 3, 2009, 11:22 PM
What do you mean that there are less than 200 aks in this country!?

Yea, I love mine, 2500 rounds later it's still working good

nalioth
March 4, 2009, 01:32 AM
What do you mean that there are less than 200 aks in this country!? The AK-47 is a Russian made, selective fire assault rifle. They are no longer able to be registered with the tax office, and prior to 1986. when the registry closed, there were less than 200 here.


I really wish folks would stop calling their WASRs and SARs and other sporting Kalashnikovs "AK-47s", when they're not.

It's an AK or a Kalashnikov, but "AK-47" has become a hot-button-term in the mass media. The media has made it so that anyone who owns an "AK-47" is either a criminal or an evil terrorist - so, to those folks who believe everything they hear or see from the media, when you say "Ah yeah, I just got a new AK-47 today (albeit it's really called a WASR-10)", they instantly see you as a criminal or terrorist.

maskedman504
March 4, 2009, 01:55 AM
The AK-47 is a Russian made, selective fire assault rifle. They are no longer able to be registered with the tax office, and prior to 1986. when the registry closed, there were less than 200 here.


I really wish folks would stop calling their WASRs and SARs and other sporting Kalashnikovs "AK-47s", when they're not.

It's an AK or a Kalashnikov, but "AK-47" has become a hot-button-term in the mass media. The media has made it so that anyone who owns an "AK-47" is either a criminal or an evil terrorist - so, to those folks who believe everything they hear or see from the media, when you say "Ah yeah, I just got a new AK-47 today (albeit it's really called a WASR-10)", they instantly see you as a criminal or terrorist.

Political rhetoric aside, an AK-47 refers to a weapon built by the Ruassian gov't for the Russian military that can be traced to a very specific production run. Most of the weapons that are referred to as 'AK-47s' are clones of the AK-47; these weapons are produced by different countries and have different identification and as such, atleast by the educated, are referred to by said identification (WARS, SAR, etc.).

It would be like saying BOSE AUDIO makes a great component sound system and then referring to all multiple component audio systems as a BOSE AUDIO system.

nalioth
March 4, 2009, 03:19 AM
Political rhetoric aside, words and names are important.

You are going down the street with your legal semiauto 1919 in the trunk on your way to the range.

How much trouble do you think will be stirred up should you be pulled over for a tail light out or other reason and tell the cop you have a "machine gun" in the trunk?

Ignition Override
March 4, 2009, 03:36 AM
You guys' Self-Defense Carbines are the best-looking I've ever seen, also better than any I've handled.

Kymasabe
March 4, 2009, 08:11 AM
Who said a Saiga isn't an AK? Granted, they're neutered for importation, but it's still an AK receiver under there. Simply remove the goofy trigger and the plate under the receiver exposes the real AK trigger hole and pistol grip hole and in a couple of hours with some basic hand tools and $100 in conversion parts, you can have an AK that's as functional as any other variant, better built than the WASR's and brand new !
I've owned a few Saiga's and other AK's and I think the Saiga is a great platform to build on.

SATX man
March 4, 2009, 09:18 AM
What is the difference between a SAR and a WSAR? A guy wanted to trade me his SAR for my Russian SKS.

benEzra
March 4, 2009, 11:57 AM
SAR is built on a more AKM-like receiver, and has mag dimples to locate the magazine left/right instead of riveted-in spacer plates.

Most people consider the SAR's a little nicer than the WASR's. The only downside is that SAR's do not have bayonet lugs or threaded muzzles (whereas post-2004 WASR's do), although you can have the muzzle threaded (14x1 LH) if you want.

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