They make Pyrodex pellets, so why not Smokeless pellets?


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goon
October 5, 2003, 11:46 AM
I was thinking, reloading would be much easier if you could just pop an appropriately charged pellet and seat your bullet. They do it with pyrodex, so why not with smokeless powder?
I think that it could at least work with straight walled pistol rounds. Don't worry, I am not planning on trying it myself.
It was just one of those ideas I have...

Any reason that it wouldn't work?

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Black Snowman
October 5, 2003, 12:29 PM
I imagine it would work fine but you would only have 1 possible load and have to produce a differant charge for each cartridge/bullet weight combo with enough margin to eliminate any chance of a kaboom. It's just not practical for a powder maker to crank out that may differant combinations.

The cost of tooling alone would make the premade charges astronomicly expensive. It works so well with black powder for 2 reasons. No fixed case volume and very slow burn rates (IE, it's much more difficult to reach dangerous pressures).

It's a good idea and would make loading go faster, unfortunately just not practical.

C.R.Sam
October 5, 2003, 01:24 PM
Smokeless pretty hard to light.

Black likes to be compressed.
Smokeless usually doesn't , or if compressed; lightly.

Probably have to reformulate and come up with something on the order of solid rocket fuel....and use a very very long barrel.

Oops....then we have the GyroJet. Which needed time to get up to speed.

Oh well.

Sam

444
October 5, 2003, 02:03 PM
The variations in powder charges for black powder firearms can be huge. For example, you might use one 50 grain pellet for practice and plinking, and double the charge to 100 grains or even triple the charge to 150 grains for hunting. I don't know of any loads using smokeless powder where you can double or triple the charge. If you are developing a plinking load in a rifle, you usually use an entirely different powder.
Second, I think that most people who use pellets in a ML are hunters. They arn't trying to get the absolute most accurate load out of their rifles. They probably don't try let's say, 75 grains, then 78 grains, then 82 grains or whatever and tune the load until they get the best possible group. Black powder hunting is usually a fairly short range affair and you don't need to get the last fraction of an inch in accuracy. I would guess that someone who does demand that kind of accuracy out of a ML uses loose powder and not pellets. Most rifle handloaders on the other hand do try to get max performance out of their loads and spend at least some time trying different combinations to get something that provides adequate velocity and accuracy with the bullet they have chosen.
In order for this to work, you would have to use specific, standardized loads. This actually might work in some cases (providing that the primer will ignite the charge). I know that bullseye shooters use some pretty standard loads for .38 wadcutters, or in .45 ACP.

C.R.Sam
October 5, 2003, 03:47 PM
I know that bullseye shooters use some pretty standard loads for .38 wadcutters, or in .45 ACP. Yeah, but some of us tailored the loads to specific guns and distances. I like a tad more punch for 50 yd bull than for 25 yd bull. That way can hold same sight picture when changing distance. And none of my target guns will shoot their best with a load common to one of their sisters.

With some small bore guns...one can see a noticable preference for a specific LOT of commercial high priced ammo.

But for fun n games n plinkin etc.....might be able to sell a bunch of pellets.

Handloaders are a strange bunch tho.
Target shooters are also a strange bunch.
Target shooting handloaders are really strange.

Sam....strange by any measure.:D

Archie
October 5, 2003, 08:46 PM
is powder made in exactly one grain lumps and .1 grain lumps. One could weigh them or count them.

However, that would probably change the burning rate, since the geometry of the kernal is part of the burning rate equation.

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