If you had $1000 to buy a MBR?


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Tyson127
March 2, 2009, 07:47 PM
Hi all, this is my first post here.

If you had $1000 to purchase a MBR type rifle for SHTF situations, what would you buy and why?

I ask this because it's my current situation and I'm sure it is doable by much of the american public. Please avoid the "if they could just save up another $400 they could get a _______."

Furthermore, if you would reccomend to me - here are my concerns:

Minimum cal. of .223
detachable magazines
"fairly" reliable
availability of ammo

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Nero_Atrum
March 2, 2009, 07:52 PM
Probably a AK/Saiga in .223. Mainly because its cheaper than a AR so you can buy more ammo and mags.

crushbup
March 2, 2009, 08:07 PM
I think you can get a used FAL in that range. That or a Saiga .308

SimpleIsGood229
March 2, 2009, 08:15 PM
Main battle rifle refers to a large, heavy rifle chambered for a full-sized rifle round (.308/7.62x51). For that, I'd probably look for a used M1A.

If I were to spend $1000 on a ''tactical'' rifle chambered for an intermediate round (.223/5.56), I would personally go for a(nother) Saiga, but in .223. I would convert it back to proper AK configuration, then spend the rest on ammo and Bulgarian waffle mags.

ds92
March 2, 2009, 08:18 PM
I'd by 3 or 4 mosins and spend the rest on ammo

IndianaBoy
March 2, 2009, 08:41 PM
FAL or a PTR-91

Gunther
March 2, 2009, 08:42 PM
You can buy a cheaper $8-900 AR-15 (if you can find one in your area) and spend the rest on a couple of hi-cap magazines. That will eat up your Grand pretty quick. A Ruger Mini-14 with magazines and some ammo will probably get you more for your money but it is less accurate than the AR platform. Depends how wedded your are to your money limit. Good Luck!

Ian
March 2, 2009, 08:47 PM
An AK. Specifically, I'd spend ~$550 on a Romanian AK, ~$250 on a 1,000 round case of Wolf ammo, ~$100 on 5 or 6 extra magazines, and the last $100 on a case, cleaning gear, and other miscellanea.

It would be great to drop the whole $1k on a rifle, but if that's your whole budget and the started reason for having the gun is "SHTF", then you must have ammo and at least a few magazines. Having a dedicated SHTF rifle with one mag and no ammo is a sign of really, really poor planning.

DougW
March 2, 2009, 09:28 PM
At a N Texas gun shop today, the cheapest AR was $1400. The rest were $1800 to $2400. AK's were $800 to $1000, Remington 870's were near $600. It is PAST the time to buy.

DocBoCook
March 2, 2009, 09:33 PM
I can't agree more, it's apparently too late to get a FAIR deal (as in cost of production and fair profit vs. Raising the price because you can)

coosbaycreep
March 2, 2009, 09:34 PM
like someone else said, MBR is usually .308 or bigger

that means saiga .308, century CETME/FAL, Romanian PSL, or a hakim

You should be able to find a PTR-91 for just over your budget, but when you factor in the price of mags for it, it's not much more expensive than anything else, and will be more accurate and reliable than most of the other full power rifles in your price range.

PT1911
March 2, 2009, 09:38 PM
At a N Texas gun shop today, the cheapest AR was $1400. The rest were $1800 to $2400. AK's were $800 to $1000, Remington 870's were near $600. It is PAST the time to buy.
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this is nothing more than the stores jacking the prices up far more than necessary. wholesale on these guns has gone up about 5 percent from prior to the election. I can find ARs from 750 to 9 and ak's at 550.

as to the question.. it was spending on the gun...not the ammo... choice is easy... definitely an AR..(see above) then invest in some spare mags and ammo... of course if you go with a DPMS AR, depending on the model, you will have enough left over to purchase some mags and ammo as well...

lionking
March 2, 2009, 09:47 PM
I'm with Ian's response,though I might opt for a Saiga AK instead of WASR.

BUT I already own a FAL and M1A anyway.:neener:

Oh btw what is wrong with a lever action or Garand?Do you think the guy looking to rob you will be less scared by a 30-30?Or are you looking to take on a platoon solo?

hank327
March 2, 2009, 09:56 PM
I would buy a service grade M1 Garand through the CMP for $595.00 and use the rest of the money for ammo also sold through the CMP.

Pulse
March 2, 2009, 10:02 PM
i would buy a surplus SIG510 in 7.5x55mm for 400 and the rest of the money would go towards a boatload of GP11.

Ian
March 2, 2009, 10:05 PM
Nothing wrong with a Garand at all - I have one, and it's my favorite rifle. But I think the AK's strong points are better suited for a SHTF rifle, where a Garand is better suited to, I suppose, guerrilla warfare in the plains. The AK has a well-known "scary" look, which makes it a good deterrent, compared to the less threatening M1. The AKs lesser sights aren't a big deal, since any justified shooting will likely be at close range. The AK is also lighter and shorter, which makes it more likely a person will actually keep carrying it and thus have it ready if needed, where a bulkier rifle might get tossed in the back seat of the car or elsewhere.

DocBoCook
March 2, 2009, 10:10 PM
Nothing wrong with CMP if you don't mind a mountain of paperwork and waiting months to get it

lionking
March 2, 2009, 10:23 PM
I have full in trust in a AK style rifle for function and protecting myself and yes 30 round mags full make you feel more confident for firepower but I have more faith in my Garand or M1A for dropping down food like a deer if need be.7.62x39 will drop a deer I just don't get reliable accuracy enough from a AK to know I wouldn't miss or shoot a deer in the leg when I was aiming at the chest.

Of course some of you guys get better accuracy out of your AK and scope them,I don't.I know that whatever I aim at at 100yds or more with a M1A or Garand I will put that bullet within a 2 inch diameter of my target with stock sights.

Of course you could by a SKS for $300,a case of ammo for $250,that leaves $450 to use to stock up on food,drink,booze and tobacco so you won't have to worry about going out to look for supplies for a while.;)

husker
March 2, 2009, 11:20 PM
buy buy buy buy AMERICAN MADE

ByAnyMeans
March 3, 2009, 12:37 AM
You can get a great slightly used Fal for about 850 if you search. It's the "Right Arm of The Free World" and absolutely reliable.

Cheap mags and battle packs of ammo are available to stack for SHTF. They are already pre-packaged for long term.

If you reload then it's a great round to do it with.

Kind of Blued
March 3, 2009, 02:34 AM
If you want .223 I'd buy a stripped lower and start putting together the best (for your purposes) AR-15 that you can for $1K.

If you want .308, I'd suggest looking for either a used Norinco M14 or a used DSA FAL. Even a bare-bones NEW DSA STG58 might be attainable for around $1K.

You could also get a fine AK for $1K if you want to go with 7.62x39. Do your research on AKs!

Lloyd Smale
March 3, 2009, 07:23 AM
id prefer an ar10 or m1a but if i had a grand to spend id probably look for the best ar15 I could find in that price range. theres many good guns in that price range. rock river arms, bushmaster, and stag are some good choises. If i was going to step up from there my personal favorite is a good old colt. Another decent choise was mentioined above. I picked up a dmps sportical for a plinking gun a year ago. that gun is a tack driver and has never missed a beat. Ive actually got pretty attached to it. It is a handy little gun that weights about a lb less then any of my other ars. Its a joy to carry in the field.

Gryffydd
March 3, 2009, 11:52 AM
I would buy a service grade M1 Garand through the CMP for $595.00 and use the rest of the money for ammo also sold through the CMP.

+1

The AK has a well-known "scary" look, which makes it a good deterrent, compared to the less threatening M1.

+1 The AK has many great SHTF qualities
-1 It's not really a MBR
-1 I'm much more interested in the capabilities of the weapon than how it looks. ANY gun is a wonderful deterrent when you're looking down the muzzle.

http://images.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2008/12/12/gran_torino/story.jpg

Girodin
March 3, 2009, 01:27 PM
If we are talking about a MBR in the sense of .308 or larger I would give a saiga a serious look if I was limited to $1K.

lipadj46
March 3, 2009, 01:48 PM
Garand

Utah1
March 3, 2009, 08:50 PM
Have you factored in ammo? I don't know how much you shoot, but I put over 2500rds through my Garand last year. My friends all put that or more through their ARs.

I'd put at least half of your money into ammo, unless you already have a large supply of what you'll be shooting.

RaferJanders
March 3, 2009, 09:00 PM
Enterprise Arms sells FAL for a grand,
I own a nice one but my AK is what is in arms reach when I sleep at night, If I cant stop the those pesky coyotes with forty rds, Than I go and get my FAL para with a thirty rd bren mag or my G3 depending on my mood!
Happieness is a belt fed weapon

Deepskyy
March 3, 2009, 09:05 PM
Now, are you talking about HD SHTF rifle, or I need to move around and put down game and/or human threats to your safety and that of your family. If it is option 2, I would go for a Franken AR in 5.56, 5.45X39 (Smith and Wesson MP upper, ammo is MUCH cheaper than .223 right now) or 6.8SPC due to weight, bigger ammo capacity, and manuverability of the AR especially with a 6position stock. I'd rather not have to be humping a Garand around day in and day out over hilly and wooded terrain, when I can just use an AR.

JShirley
March 3, 2009, 09:08 PM
If you had $1000 to purchase a MBR type rifle for SHTF situations, what would you buy and why?

I would buy any sturdy Mauser or 1917 actioned rifle in .308 or .30-06 I could find for $300, and spend the rest on ammunition and other important stuff like, I dunno, a good cleaning kit and gun case.

Why? Because you need a good, sturdy rifle that can do many things well. And the best firearm is useless if you can't bring the fire.

John

Geno
March 3, 2009, 09:12 PM
Ian said:

The AK has a well-known "scary" look, which makes it a good deterrent, compared to the less threatening M1

Ian, youv'e never seen my MIL have you?! :eek: For what it's worth, I would suggest an M1 Garand.

Doc2005

Ignition Override
March 3, 2009, 09:25 PM
Some SKS were originally designed to use AK mags, but many sellers have guns which were probably converted and many of these have problems.
Check Gunbroker "SKS" with large mags in the photo. The vast majority of the SKS were only built with the fixed 10-rd mag, but you could never forget to bring the mag (as long as you have loaded stripper clips kept in a bag attached to the gun). A careful, thorough German friend was really embarrassed when he forgot the mag for his AR-15.
In an emergency, it would be easy to forget for an AR, M-1A1, G-3 etc.

If not this correct type of SKS, from my unique perspective, it depends on how much ammo you want/can afford to buy, then the rifle.

Otherwise, as most self-defense issues for civilians appear to happen at a very short range, an AK. Criminals do their best to sneak up close to people, as they almost always use handguns.
This is not Iraq or Afghanistan, where an M-14 is used mostly against much more distant targets, offensive and defensive.

Even after a local disaster, when would a regular civilian here need an offensive capability, except for hunting? After the SKS, AK + ammo are acquired, if you are resolved to shoot further, why not later also buy a Mosin Nagant ($80-130) which uses powerful, cheap ammo, if you don't already have a mid-range rifle?

Funderb
March 3, 2009, 09:28 PM
I'd go for a hakim and a crapton of ammo.

USSR
March 3, 2009, 09:39 PM
http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/FAL2.jpg

Don

High Planes Drifter
March 3, 2009, 09:42 PM
Bulgarian AK , and a bunch of mags, and ammo.

TRGRHPY
March 4, 2009, 02:16 AM
Look, spend the least amount of money possible for a .22 and here's why: If/when the shtf, you only need to take out the first bg and confiscate his weapon, ammo and other supplies.

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

:neener:

burningsquirrels
March 4, 2009, 07:48 AM
$1k for rifle, ammo, and equipment? i like ARs but if i had to get outfitted for $1k i'd have to swing for a garand plus ammo and maintenance accessories.

it really depends on the situation i guess. if i had to head to the mountains and disappear... then i'd take a remington 700 low end model for about $450 in 308, budget scope, ammo, and a long barreled 22 pistol (any, $200, for hunting small game and defense) with a zip-loc bag of ammo and a hip pouch, and maintenance accessories for both. then just as someone else already mentioned, take the first bg's weapon.

but if i was with a large group of people, i'd take the garand with $400 of ammo and misc stuff.

Gryffydd
March 4, 2009, 01:53 PM
If/when the shtf, you only need to take out the first bg and confiscate his weapon, ammo and other supplies.

Yeah...I wonder how long it would take you to fill up a collection of Hi-Points, Ravens, Tauruses(OK, that last one is a joke, don't hurt me)
Personally I'd like to have something *better* than what the other guy has.

Travis Bickle
March 4, 2009, 02:00 PM
Garand or FN-49. In this market, that's probably all you're going to get for $1000 or under.

eye5600
March 4, 2009, 02:09 PM
Mini-14.

CapnMac
March 4, 2009, 02:14 PM
Might depend on which SHTF.

Jack-booted thugs a bit different than zombie hordes.

Ditto One-man-stand, or Farnham's Freehold, too.

For the grand, I'd suggest a Ruger. Start looking for a Ranch Rifle Mini-30, that gives some anti-zombie knock down, and allows a person to keep going unttil one can upgrade (following the advise of the SMAJ in such cases).

A mini-14 might suffice, but there's that magazine hassle (which has some workarounds). The 5.56 Ruger is not that much handier than it's 7.62x39 brother. Would be very tempting to find the 6.8 ranch rifle, but, that becomes a budget buster, with harder-to-find mags, and even-harder-to-find-at-Academy ammo.

Garand from CMP remains my first, best answer to this question, though. Partly because you need to join a shooting organization (or be former military) to get one. That implies getting range time in, too. I'd rather find a neighbor with eleventy dozen thousand rounds through his LTR than one with an unfired FAL by my side, come SHTF.

But, that's me, my 2; other's differ.

Brian Williams
March 4, 2009, 03:07 PM
Get a Garand.

Big Bill
March 4, 2009, 04:20 PM
I'd buy a Savage 111 FCNS in .300 Win Mag and trick it sniper tactical. You'd also have enough for ammo.

http://www.savagearms.com/111fcns.htm

Or, a Weather Warrior in .308..

http://www.savagearms.com/16fhss.htm

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