Mini 14 vs. AK question


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DavidB2
March 3, 2009, 03:30 AM
I have a Mini 14 .223 stainless with a wooden stock. I love the rifle. However, with all the frenzy over AKs; I have been wondering if I might need to get one before they are either go up in price more or go away all together. My wife has a rule that if I buy a gun; I need to sell a gun. The Mini 14 is probably the rifle which would be a better equal Is it worth either trading or selling my Mini 14 to get an AK? Should I wait until AKs possibly go down in price? Your opinions are appreciated.

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WardenWolf
March 3, 2009, 03:34 AM
No. The Mini-14 basically is an AK for all intents and purposes, albeit one with the gas block flipped upside down.

Frankly, the only reason to get an AK over a Mini-14 is widespread parts availability. Both are going to be equally reliable on their own, but the world is littered with spare AK parts. So unless you're looking at a long-term SHTF scenario where you can't just have Ruger fix your rifle, it doesn't matter, and the Mini-14 would probably be better for most things.

Domino
March 3, 2009, 08:11 AM
Well first off, get a new wife and then buy all the damn guns you want! ;)

I would say that there is a very good chance of some sort of ban coming into play. There were AK type weapons available during the previous ban but whose to say they won't be more thorough this time.

Personally, I wouldn't trade a Mini-14 for an AK-47 unless the AK was an Arsenal .223 and I had a stack of magazines for it. Keep the Mini-14 and concentrate on factory magazines and ammo.

AK103K
March 3, 2009, 10:32 AM
I'd sell the Mini and go with an AK in 7.62x39. Just for the mag and parts availability alone, but especially hi cap mags.

Who knows what Ruger will do at any given moment too. They have never been very "civilian" oriented or friendly when it came to the Minis and their accessories anyway. They could very well stop any support for civilian held guns at any pressure to do so from the government.

I doubt the AK's are going to go down in price. If you have one in mind, I'd do it now.

Personally, I'd look to one of the Saiga conversions by either Krebs or AK-USA. You get a true Russian made gun that was converted for import and then restored to its original condition. For as much as they seem to be getting these days for the "lesser" guns, the price gap is narrowing.

Regardless of price, they all shoot about the same. I personally prefer guns that were barreled in the country of origin compared to US assembled guns. The guns I've owned assembled here from "kits" were the least accurate and more problem prone.

Zach S
March 3, 2009, 12:11 PM
Personally, I'd look to one of the Saiga conversions by either Krebs or AK-USA.
Or a used Sagia and do the conversion yourself and save a few bucks.

I never cared much for Minis. Reliability and accuracy is about the same as an AK (the .223 Sagia I fired was more accurate than the mini14 I shot moments before), but the AK magazines are easier to find. And the AK used to have a lower price tag.

ArmedBear
March 3, 2009, 12:27 PM
There's no comparison between the Saiga and the Mini, when it comes to ergonomics, "pointability" and balance. The Mini feels great in the hands, and the Saiga sucks. It's simply the worst-feeling rifle I've ever shouldered. I think that, if you ditched the Mini for a Saiga, you'd be quite disappointed, and would spring for a conversion immediately.

Converted, the Saiga is (obviously) like an AK. I don't think all that much of AK ergonomics, but they balance a lot better than the stock Saiga does.

Magazines are much more readily available for the AK or AR. Ruger's 20-rounders are great; other makers, I wouldn't trust. Almost everything else I've bought has been a total waste of my money. The plastic Eagle mags have worked for me, and some no-name I got at a gun show; sadly, I could never find out who made it.

JohnMc
March 3, 2009, 12:57 PM
More is Better :)

AK103K
March 3, 2009, 01:00 PM
The ergonomics of the AK are just a matter of spending a little quality time with them and learning how to work them. Most of the complaints come from those who havent.

61chalk
March 3, 2009, 01:14 PM
You love your mini, right.....?
Keep it then....save your money on the side, an someday buy a AK, don't tell the wife, hide it...you can find a spot...I know you can....an remember...."Wives come an go, but ex's are forever."

Ed Ames
March 3, 2009, 01:26 PM
I enjoy badmouthing minis as much as the next guy, but if you can only have one i'd take it over an overpriced ak clone.

cottonmouth
March 3, 2009, 01:58 PM
I'd stick with the Mini and hunt up some factory mags.

J.B.

1KPerDay
March 3, 2009, 02:01 PM
My wife has a rule that if I buy a gun; I need to sell a gun.
What the heck? Ask her if she has the same rule about her shoes. :D

ArmedBear
March 3, 2009, 02:27 PM
The ergonomics of the AK are just a matter of spending a little quality time with them and learning how to work them.

Right. That's part of the definition of "poor ergonomics": having to adapt yourself to the machine.

But no matter how much time you spend with an AK, it won't point naturally like a Ranch Rifle. Entirely apart from some design flaws like the safety lever, it seems to be designed primarily for full-auto fire, not point-and-shoot.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
March 3, 2009, 02:44 PM
American made Mini over Commie junk any day.

AK103K
March 3, 2009, 02:46 PM
Right. That's part of the definition of "poor ergonomics": having to adapt yourself to the machine.

But no matter how much time you spend with an AK, it won't point naturally like a Ranch Rifle. Entirely apart from some design flaws like the safety lever, it seems to be designed primarily for full-auto fire, not point-and-shoot.
If learning the rifle is "adapting yourself to the machine", then every gun has poor ergonomics.

As far as pointing naturally, I suppose thats a matter of opinion and situation. I dont find one points better than the other, and both are point and shoot, but thats me. I do find the AK carries, handles, and shoulders easier in more situations than the Mini's, and especially in tighter situations, like indoors. The AK can be carried in a SUL position and quickly and naturally shouldered from it, where the Mini doesnt do as well or naturally. Nor is the Mini as easily carried ready for use while slung.

If the AK was designed to be primarily FA, it would not have a selector. The fact that a real AK's selector tends to go to SA in a "panic" or hurried application, also points to its primary use not necessarily being FA only. You have to think about what your doing to put it into FA mode.

lgbloader
March 3, 2009, 02:48 PM
Quote:
My wife has a rule that if I buy a gun; I need to sell a gun.

What the heck? Ask her if she has the same rule about her shoes.

Thank you!!!

LGB

Ratshooter
March 3, 2009, 03:44 PM
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To the OP. Keep your mini and buy more mags and ammo. I have 9 of the Pro-Mag 20 rounders and they seem to work perfectly. I bought the mags at Academy Sports and saved the receipts just in case I needed to take one back. I have never needed to return a single one.

Travis Bickle
March 3, 2009, 03:54 PM
Magazines are much more readily available for the AK or AR. Ruger's 20-rounders are great; other makers, I wouldn't trust. Almost everything else I've bought has been a total waste of my money. The plastic Eagle mags have worked for me, and some no-name I got at a gun show; sadly, I could never find out who made it.

These 90 rounders are supposed to work pretty good:

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?store_code=MWG&screen=PROD&product_code=MWG-223-90B

I'm thinking of buying one.

Spyvie
March 3, 2009, 04:15 PM
I know I post this in almost every Mini related thread around here, but here I go again... the Promag steel 20s seem to be working fine in my Mini 14 and a number of others as far as I can tell. The 8 I bought appear almost identical in construction to factory mags and required no modifications to fit and function flawlessly in my rifle.

I am new to the platform, having purchased a sweet handling Houge stocked NRA Mini just about a year ago. As I understand there were some issues with the latching notch on the Promags in the past. Many posters over at PerfectUnion.com had to file on them a bit to get them to lock in securely, but this no longer appears to be the case.

As an aside, I love my NRA Mini, and mine is good for a confirmed 1.5 MOA in it's scoped but otherwise bone stock configuration. If push comes to shove I will sell my 16" RRA Mid-length before I will sell my Mini 14.

Mini 14/30/6.8 mag discussion: http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=105

Matrix187
March 3, 2009, 04:31 PM
Both guns are rock solid and reliable. A decent AK (especially when the Tech Peep sights are released) will shoot about the same accurately. I like the 7.62x39 mm round though, and the AK design in general.

I would rather have an M1 carbine than a Mini 14 ;)

RP88
March 3, 2009, 05:51 PM
with the AK, you get (still possibly) a cheaper gun, cheaper mags, higher-cap mags, and equal accuracy to a mini-14

that's what I'd go for.

benEzra
March 3, 2009, 07:13 PM
If you like the mini, keeping it is not a bad thing. You will lose a fair amount of money selling a mini and buying an AK in the current market.

Having said that, I used to own both a mini-14 (188-series Ranch Rifle) and a Romanian AK (SAR-1). Eventually sold the mini, kept the AK. But I have a lot of respect for the Ruger, and it is a good little carbine, particularly if you are lucky enough to have an accurate one.

Ratshooter
March 3, 2009, 08:22 PM
RP88 I have two of the new 580 series minis and I get between 2.5-4" groups at 100 yards with open sights. Will your AK group that good?

There was a reveiw of the CZ made model 58 AK style rifle in Guns magazine last month and the writer reported 8" groups at 100 yards. I am pretty sure that was his best groups also.

AK103K
March 3, 2009, 08:41 PM
Will your AK group that good?
All of mine pretty much will.

3-4" is pretty much the norm for an AK at 100 yards using its iron sights. My SAR will shoot that at 200 from a rest using its iron sights, and they have a slight cant to boot.

My AK's shoot as well or better than the couple of Mini 14's I've owned over the years, and they had the better aftermarket sights on them. The newer Minis do benifit from better sights, but unless you have a GB, the older guns stock sights flat out suck.

I just got to shoot my buddys new NRA 16" Mini. It did OK, but still about the same as my SAR1 we were shooting at the same time. I didnt like the over molded stock it had on it, and why they feel the need for that silly recoil pad is beyond me. The sights were better though.

SimpleIsGood229
March 3, 2009, 08:41 PM
I think you should train with what you already have. I love my converted Saiga; I think it points well and feels good in the hands. If you have a similar opinion about your Mini, I see no reason to get rid of it.

Buy a bunch of mags and ammo, and be happy. FWIW, steel ProMags for the Mini-14 actually have a good reputation. Do as the above guy did and keep the receipts just in case.

RaferJanders
March 3, 2009, 09:51 PM
Well, the Mini is not an AK, the Mini is a great little ranch rifle and that is about it. The AK is something you can depend on, The mags are bullet proof, meaning that they do not need that much care, The Ak will keep shooting long after the Mini has jammed, I would keep the mini and sell or trade the wife for the AK the Ak is alot more dependble than a full time night women!

benEzra
March 3, 2009, 11:08 PM
RP88 I have two of the new 580 series minis and I get between 2.5-4" groups at 100 yards with open sights. Will your AK group that good?

There was a reveiw of the CZ made model 58 AK style rifle in Guns magazine last month and the writer reported 8" groups at 100 yards. I am pretty sure that was his best groups also.
The main reason I sold my mini (188 series Ranch Rifle) was that it was less accurate than my AK. My mini's best ever group was 5.5" at 100 yards, from a rest and rear bag, and my AK will do better than that.

The new 580-series mini's are reportedly more consistently accurate than older mini's, though.

SimpleIsGood229
March 3, 2009, 11:17 PM
The Ak will keep shooting long after the Mini has jammedDo you have any factual evidence to reinforce this claim?

proplinker
March 4, 2009, 12:05 AM
Keep your mini it shoots better than the AK's. If you can't kill it with ten shots, chances are you can't kill it at all.

Ignition Override
March 4, 2009, 04:52 AM
Armed Bear summarizes much of what I've read over the months about Mini 14 aftermarket mags, at "Perfectunion".

They have a permanent mag forum because so many aftermarket types for the 14 or 30 are unreliable or junk. Ironically, the polymer Promag 30-rounder in my really old Mini 14 has never misfed, despite having a loose fit...but, I've only loaded between 6 and 20 rounds, to avoid using ammo too quickly.
Only use Wolf ammo and no ftfs in the 14.

Would the OP consider a Russian SKS? They are the best version (although my Norinco has been perfect), milled versus stamped, slightly pricier, but much less than an AK.

Saw two at the last show here, listed for about $425 each, and looked excellent. Very tempting when bewitched.
With any typical SKS, you don't need to remember to pack the mags, just have loaded stripper clips or ammo. A German friend who is a careful, methodical planner (like all of them), somehow forgot to bring his AR's mag to plink at an 'Insurgent Pumpkin' and was pretty embarrassed.
Imagine intelligent people who have tried to prepare for a future emergency, i.e. natural disaster or 'uncivil disturbance' (s. c. LA), thinking about a wife and/or kids or pets... Serious problems seldom happen according to the 'manual'.
The real SKS always has its magazine. Conversions are not always reliable, although one type of Chinese SKS was originally designed to accept AK mags.

Gamera
March 4, 2009, 05:40 AM
I'm glad I found this thread, as I've also been thinking about swapping my 190 (I think) series mini for a converted Saiga. Now don't get me wrong, I love my mini (even though the accuracy suuuuucks), but there's just something about an AK...

At the next gun show I'll see if anyone wants to buy my mini for a decent price. If so, I'll probably sell it and put the money towards a Saiga.
But hey, worst case scenario, we have semi-auto rifles with normal capacity magazines :cool:

Oh and +1 to the ProMag 20 rounders, I have two and they work just as well as the factory ones.

CTW
March 4, 2009, 08:10 AM
I am not knocking the AK it is a great rugged gun and I will never get rid of mine, but I will not pay todays prices for steel case nonreloadable ammo. I have vowed to not buy any more non reloadable ammo. I have a pretty good stock of steel cased ammo for the AK and SKS's and I am not shooting it anymore. I personaly would keep your Mini and get some Mags and take up reloading if you dont already.

Zach S
March 4, 2009, 08:32 AM
Well, the Mini is not an AK, the Mini is a great little ranch rifle and that is about it.
And the only thing that makes the mini a better ranch rifle than the AK is the fact its American, and the AK is commie.

If I had a ranch, and therefore the need for a ranch rifle, I'd have a hard time decinding between the flat shooting .223 or the 7.62 that punches a bigger hole, but if I saw a cowboy using an AK variant in a movie I don't think I'd like it too much...

benEzra
March 4, 2009, 09:08 AM
Keep your mini it shoots better than the AK's.
Mine didn't (188-series Ranch Rifle). That's why I sold it.

If you can't kill it with ten shots, chances are you can't kill it at all.
Factory capacities for the Ruger are 5 and 20. There are plenty of aftermarket 30's (and 10's, if you want them), but reliability is hit or miss.

ArmedBear
March 4, 2009, 10:53 AM
And the only thing that makes the mini a better ranch rifle than the AK is the fact its American, and the AK is commie.

No, the Mini is a great-handling little carbine for pointed/aimed fire; the AK feels clumsy by comparison (except for full-auto, covering fire, etc. where it definitely excels). The Mini carries and racks more easily, since it's a lot sleeker and doesn't stick out in all directions. It's objectively a better "ranch rifle", and it would still be if it were made in Kazakhstan.

Now the Israelis have done some good stuff with the AK platform, to make it feel like a much more modern rifle. You can improve the AK's handling.

And maybe you don't have a ranch.

But it's got nothing to do with "commie" versus American.

AK103K
March 4, 2009, 12:00 PM
the Mini is a great-handling little carbine for pointed/aimed fire; the AK feels clumsy by comparison
This is still a matter of opinion and what your used to. While you find it isnt, I find the AK to be more of what you think the Mini is, and across a more broad spectrum.

The Mini carries and racks more easily, since it's a lot sleeker and doesn't stick out in all directions.
Again, thats your opinion. I find the AK easier to carry and use (the basic sling set up is better) and charging the gun is no different.

As far as "poking out in all directions", there is little difference if the Mini is wearing a large capacity mag. The AK's pistol grip gives more options in the way its carried and shouldered than the Mini, and allows for a more compact weapon in that sense.

I really dont know how you can improve the AK's handling. Contrary to what many will tell you, the stock isnt to short, and the controls are not difficult to use. You can easily operate all aspects of the gun without ever removing your hand from the grip, and in some cases, you can get it in action quicker from comfortable carry positions, where your hand isnt on the grip, that you would not be able to do with most others due to the placement of their supposedly more ergonomic controls. Also, most of the more current AK's have their slings set up properly for carrying the gun in a more realistic fashion, and the slings are simple and dont tend to hang up on things. The Russian slings in particular, are very well made, quickly adjustable, and long enough to be used in most configurations the three point slings are supposed to excel at.

There is one thing that will bring both the Mini and the AK into the 21 century with the other more modernized platforms, and that is the Ultimak hand guard rail. It, along with a quality, low mounted red dot, will allow them both to keep up with the so called "better" guns. Other than that addition, the AK really needs nothing else, and even that really isnt necessary, but it is a major improvement.

The one thing that would improve the Minis usefulness would be the factory AC556F folding stock. It would give you the same sling set up and carry options as the AK, and also give you a more compact package, like the AK folders. Of course, like the wire stock AK folders (the AK100 series full stock folders aside) and most others folders, you may not find them as comfortable to shoot a lot with.

benEzra
March 4, 2009, 12:10 PM
the Mini is a great-handling little carbine for pointed/aimed fire
So is the AK.

The Mini carries and racks more easily, since it's a lot sleeker and doesn't stick out in all directions.
Cycling the action is exactly the same (charging handle is in the same place), unless by "rack" you mean "sticking it in a gun rack." Magazine catches are in the same place. The safety is easier to access on the mini.

The mini is sleeker with the standard stock, but the lack of a pistol grip makes using a sul ready position problematic, and high ready is less than ideal for defensive use. I did refit my mini with a Choate E2 stock (and eventually a Butler Creek folder) to improve the ergonomics in that regard.

Mini magazines are very delicate compared to AK magazines.

KBintheSLC
March 4, 2009, 03:49 PM
I have a Mini 14 .223 stainless with a wooden stock. I love the rifle. However, with all the frenzy over AKs; I have been wondering if I might need to get one before they are either go up in price more or go away all together.

Sounds like you may be on the verge of succumbing to the mania.

Don't do it.

I love my AK, but I would never pay the current prices for one. The Mini 14 is a fine rifle. I would use the money and buy plenty of mags and ammo for it.

Originally Posted by RaferJanders
The Ak will keep shooting long after the Mini has jammed

This is just plain false. The AK and the Mini are both piston operated and highly reliable. Now the AR on the other hand is another story.

godsdog
March 4, 2009, 03:54 PM
What about Mini-30, Comments?

Art Eatman
March 4, 2009, 09:46 PM
My Mini-14s always put the first shot exactly where I expected and wanted, which is about all you can ask of a hunting rifle. That's bad for coyotes and jackrabbits.

They easily held minute-of-torso or better--usually much better--until I got bored and quit whanging away at tin cans and rocks, which is about all you can ask for when self-defense is the issue.

I've not messed with the Mini-30.

WardenWolf
March 4, 2009, 09:49 PM
Early Mini-30's used an out-of-spec barrel that was designed for .308 caliber rounds. Current production ones are to the proper .311 spec. They should be just as accurate as the Mini-14. Have fun cleaning them if you shoot surplus ammo, though. Corrosive ammo is not fun to clean out of a gas-powered gun.

SimpleIsGood229
March 4, 2009, 09:53 PM
What about Mini-30, Comments? It has a lack of magazines options, for one. As Mike mentioned, some are spec'd for .308'' diameter projectiles (as opposed to the proper .311").

I'm not certain on this, but I seem to recall the Mini 30 owner's manual stating that steel cased ammo should not be used. I could be totally wrong, however. Can any Mini 30 owners verify this?

cdet69
March 4, 2009, 09:58 PM
i own a ruger ranch rifle and have found it to be reliable. their customer service is o.k. but could be better. i hear people like the ak because the abundance of spare parts but if a ban took place you can kiss them good bye too. the real reason for owning a mini is because it shoots 5.56 nato. if the shtf 7.62x39 ammo will become scarce but 5.56 might still be had. plus you can by 223 anywhere not can be said about 7.62x39.

WardenWolf
March 4, 2009, 09:59 PM
I'm not certain on this, but I seem to recall the Mini 30 owner's manual stating that steel cased ammo should not be used.

While I cannot speak for the manual, I will say this: the only problems people have with steel cases in all other guns occur due to carbon or lacquer buildup. Steel cases do not expand to seal the chamber when fired, and thus carbon fouls the chamber until it has built up to the point where the case forms a seal. Additionally, most steel cases are coated in lacquer to prevent rust. Lacquer melts at firing temperatures, and also deposits itself on the chamber. This results in a sticky buildup in the chamber that can actually freeze a gun shut and cause extraction problems, or even damage extractors on some guns. This more serious problem has been remedied in Wolf ammunition. They now use a polymer coating instead of lacquer, which does not have that severe buildup in the chamber. Polymer-coated steel cases only pose a problem if brass is fired without cleaning after shooting steel. The fouling causes the brass cases to stick tight once they expand.

Travis Bickle
March 4, 2009, 10:01 PM
I'm not certain on this, but I seem to recall the Mini 30 owner's manual stating that steel cased ammo should not be used. I could be totally wrong, however. Can any Mini 30 owners verify this?

You can read both manuals here:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/PS-InstructionManuals-RI.html

I doesn't say anything about steel cased ammo per se, but it does say to only use factory loaded sporting 7.62 x 39mm cartridges manufactured in accordance with U.S. industry practice. It could be that steel cases are not in accordance with U.S. industry practice, although I don't know for sure.

SimpleIsGood229
March 4, 2009, 10:16 PM
Thanks, Travis. Interestingly, the manual says to "Use only U.S. commercially manufactured ammunition." Keep in mind that steel-cased ammo isn't (to my knowledge, anyway) made Stateside. To me, it is almost as if they're saying not to use steel-cased ammo, without explicitly saying it.

WardenWolf
March 4, 2009, 10:37 PM
They're mostly saying not to use corrosive ammo.

Weedy
March 4, 2009, 11:06 PM
I'm trying to sell my WASR-10 right now to finance a 580 series mini 14. I know, I know...the hype, the mania and all that BUT...I cant find 7.62 ammo around here. Most of the places I've always purchased it are all out, and most of these places have thousands, literally THOUSANDS of rounds of .223. A rifle is no good if you can't find ammo. Also, 7.62 is mostly imported and that may pose a problem in the future, whereas .223 would at least be available in the event of a ban on imported ammo. I pretty decided I want to take my chances with the Mini. Hopefully I won't regret it someday.

SimpleIsGood229
March 4, 2009, 11:09 PM
Perhaps you and OP could negotiate a swap.

Defense Minister
March 5, 2009, 12:15 AM
Keep the Mini-14. They are a great carbine that you can bet your life on. I agree with the other posters who suggest focusing on packin' away some extra ammo and good factory mags, or the Promags that were mentioned earlier. I have four of the Promag 30 rounders, and haven't had a problem with any of them.

AKElroy
March 5, 2009, 12:37 AM
My wife has a rule that if I buy a gun; I need to sell a gun.

Dude---I hope that goes for clothes, shoes & jewelry on her end. As for the comparison, a return of the AWB will encompass either rifle, so I would not base a decision on that. If I were buying a .223, it would not be a ruger, it would be an AR variant as they tend to be more accurate. If you want a combat rifle, it is hard to beat the run filthy, hit hard, super simple / rugged design of the AK.

RP88
March 5, 2009, 01:32 AM
RP88 I have two of the new 580 series minis and I get between 2.5-4" groups at 100 yards with open sights. Will your AK group that good?

my converted Saiga with GOOD ammo can do 2-3". With Barnaul, it groups a little under 4".

gga357
March 5, 2009, 01:54 AM
Keep the mini.

Boats
March 5, 2009, 02:01 AM
If all I had was a Mini-14, I'd be fine with it.

The market prices for AKs and the Wolf x39 that most fire through them has gotten too ridiculous to risk taking a bath on a perfectly serviceable rifle.

The Minis I have seen have all been pretty low maintenance. Maybe not quite up to AK standards of wanton neglect, but far more robust than the typical AR.

Ignition Override
March 5, 2009, 05:48 AM
As for ammo prices, last spring cheap Wolf .223 jumped about 15% almost overnight at Ammoman, AIM Surplus etc. x39 prices are not so bad, but plenty of people find scalping acceptable. My ammo buying is finished, except for .22.

Other than that, my ('90) Mini 14 is a really superb gun to have.

jman80
March 5, 2009, 09:20 AM
I never really liked Mini's much. My recent purchase was a side-folder AK-74 Tantal model (Polish). I used one in Afghanistan, and the things are awesome. They're a little bit more accurate on the "rapid-fire" than the AK-47 (not on auto, just semi-auto) just due simply to the smaller round-> 5.45x39mm. Ammo isn't all that easy to find for it though........I mainly have to use Russian surplus ammo that's not expensive at all, it's cheaper than 7.62, but it's ALL corrosive. If you clean your rifle regularly, it's no big deal.

Also, as for parts availibility, I'd go for an AK or an AK variant...just not a WASR-10. Don't get anything that has had the magazine well dremmeled out to accept a double-stack magazine. They fit sloppy and I've had a few magazines that won't stay seated well in them.

Personal opinion for what it's worth---> I'd keep what you have and save up a few hundred extra dollars a bit at a time in a friggin drawer or your ashtray in your car and just buy an AK. Prices have allready started going up, which is why I just bought the new AK.

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