Regarding the "Not banning assault weapons" thread.


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japaneezy
March 3, 2009, 07:20 PM
Just a quick reminder. We fight hard for the right to exercise out 2nd amendment rights here. Sometimes it seems as if we forget about our 1st amendment rights as well. Publishing publicly available information on an internet forum is not a crime. Censoring such things is tantamount to the same mentality the gun banners use against us. Ideals such as "we cannot trust the forum members to responsibly use information" are not much different than "we cannot trust civilians with weapons". Forums are for the communication of information and discussion. If the thread goes nowhere, than so be it. Unless two people are fighting, someone is posting porn or spewing blatant unfounded hatred or the likes, I see no reason to ever lock a thread. :banghead:

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Robert
March 3, 2009, 07:23 PM
Welcome to THR. If you have a problem with a thread that was lock you need to take it up with the Mod that locked the thread via pm, not post it in the General Forum.

japaneezy
March 3, 2009, 07:25 PM
Thats fine and dandy, but I've been on online forums for over a decade. Please read the OP before you comment.

Justin
March 3, 2009, 07:26 PM
Publishing contact information for someone just because they wrote a letter to the editor with which you disagree is absolutely low road behavior.

Publishing the contact information of a person's spouse just because they wrote a letter to the editor with which you disagree is not only taking the low road, it is the height of idiocy, and we expect our members to conduct themselves with more decorum than that.

Frankly, except in the case of protesting organizations that are doing the same to gun owners, posting the contact information of a person with the intent of getting others to harass them just because they said something you don't like is really a slimy tactic.

3pairs12
March 3, 2009, 07:27 PM
I read the OP and the rules. He was wrong by posting personal contact info.

japaneezy
March 3, 2009, 07:27 PM
I do not condone the use of the information for nefarious purposes. It's the idea of censorship here.

Justin
March 3, 2009, 07:31 PM
You are aware that this forum is private property, and as such, the first amendment doesn't really apply, right?

I mean, you did actually read our code of conduct (http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html), right?

Especially the bit that states the following:

A note on FREE SPEECH:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The First Amendment is greatly respected here on The High Road, as are all other Amendments that the Second Amendment defends. However, The High Road is private property and requests that members adhere to all forum policies. It is a contract agreed to by all who become members of The High Road. Those who break forum rules cannot invoke censorship or freedom of speech - a contract broken is a contract broken. If you do not like the rules of conduct or the acceptable topics, seek out a new venue to frequent or start your own board.

Zundfolge
March 3, 2009, 07:32 PM
It's the idea of censorship here.
Censorship as it relates to the 1st Amendment is a matter of GOVERNMENT ACTION.

Redaction by private property owners is not the same thing.

You post someone's address here and they turn up dead you gonna take responsibility for that along with the forum admins? No, didn't think so.

rbernie
March 3, 2009, 08:48 PM
Forums are for the communication of information and discussion. If the thread goes nowhere, than so be it. Given that THR has been around for a bit, it's likely that there's a reason that we do what we do. You might be well-served to sit back, read for a while, and *then* come to a conclusion about how things ought to be run around here.

If nothing else, it would be a good idea to read the Forum Rules and abide by them.

bikerdoc
March 3, 2009, 09:53 PM
I advise you to listen to those that have spoken before me. They are bedrock members and honorable men.
Figure out our culture, read the rules again and make post # 17 something we can all compliment you on.
Or you can find another forum, either way good luck and god bless

Ohio Gun Guy
March 3, 2009, 10:07 PM
I'll second the O.P. 75%

I understand and appreciate the desire not to have conversations degrade into constant internet flame wars, however, the fact is defending our 2A rights can be ugly. It can not be done without some level of politics. We don’t have to bash each other or make personal attacks on politicians, but calling them on 2A positions/things that directly apply to our 2A rights, discussing the current topics, and educating/learning from each other should have some kind of lee-way. In my humble opinion.


The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing.~John adams.

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.~George Washington

3pairs12
March 3, 2009, 11:25 PM
Ohio Guy the problem is this thread was a direct result of a thread that had personal contact info of some schmo that wrote a lame letter to the editor and was locked. So as I do agree with you in part, but contacting an average citizen at home or via his wifes email will never further 2a positions.

XavierBreath
March 3, 2009, 11:44 PM
Just a quick reminder. We fight hard for the right to exercise out 2nd amendment rights here. Sometimes it seems as if we forget about our 1st amendment rights as well. Publishing publicly available information on an internet forum is not a crime. Censoring such things is tantamount to the same mentality the gun banners use against us. Ideals such as "we cannot trust the forum members to responsibly use information" are not much different than "we cannot trust civilians with weapons". Forums are for the communication of information and discussion. If the thread goes nowhere, than so be it. Unless two people are fighting, someone is posting porn or spewing blatant unfounded hatred or the likes, I see no reason to ever lock a thread.

Create your own forum. Establish your own rules.

If you chose to stay here, I would advise you to re-read the Code of Conduct (http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html) that you agreed to when you registered. If you don't still agree with it, just leave. There is no reason to try to impose your desires on thousands of other members. Just go away. Establish your own forum with your own rules. If people like it, they will come, and you can be King.

Justin
March 4, 2009, 11:44 AM
I understand and appreciate the desire not to have conversations degrade into constant internet flame wars, however, the fact is defending our 2A rights can be ugly. It can not be done without some level of politics. We don’t have to bash each other or make personal attacks on politicians, but calling them on 2A positions/things that directly apply to our 2A rights, discussing the current topics, and educating/learning from each other should have some kind of lee-way. In my humble opinion.

This has nothing to do with contacting a politician in order to register one's views with him. The original thread was basically a call to flame a man and his wife simply because the guy had written an anti-gun letter to the editor.

The OP then posted the man's contact information, as well as his wife's email address.

That isn't a call to have a rational debate or level-headed airing of views. It was an attempt to incite harassment over a letter to the editor. If you wish to debate such a letter, you don't do it by calling the guy at home just to let him know you think he's a jerk, you do it by writing your own letter to the editor with your point of view.

The fact that I actually have to explain something this simple is distressing.

JShirley
March 4, 2009, 02:13 PM
Don't feel too bad, Justin. Most of my U.S. History students seem to have a *really* hard time remembering which side won the Civil War. A lot of them wrote that 1919 was the year WWI began, too...

John

hso
March 4, 2009, 05:08 PM
The editor and owner of a media outlet that wants to intimidate gun owners by publishing our personal contact information is fare game for the same treatment. Some Average Schmoe who does nothing more than express an opposite opinion is not. It is reprehensible for us to encourage that treatment of someone that doesn't take the first action against us.

It is our obligation to maintain standards of conduct that members agreed to when they signed up are critical to THR's mission and vision.

Justin
March 5, 2009, 12:53 AM
John, sometimes I fear that Mike Judge's movie Idiocracy wasn't fiction.

Byron Quick
March 5, 2009, 11:01 PM
Unless two people are fighting, someone is posting porn or spewing blatant unfounded hatred or the likes, I see no reason to ever lock a thread.

Fine, friend. Start your own forum, make your own rules, and then enforce them as you see fit.

hso
March 6, 2009, 12:21 AM
It is a morally and ethically bankrupt individual who thinks that any private citizen who makes their opinion known warrants anonymous harassment by anyone, much less legions from the intarweb.

Any public official is fair game.

Is that clear enough?

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